Besides, Foster was being pretty mild with the word "darkey." He could have very well written "O niggers, how my heart grows weary," but he didn't. Who knows the connotation "darkey" had back then? It could have been a very proper thing to call black people, just like Negro and colored once were.
Heritage Not Hate, yet you seen nothing wrong with darkie in it and a black person wanting to go back into slavery . I wondering how many Germany Sing songs parsing the Nazis.
One of my favorite Foster tunes. Unaware that this fine offering was to be followed by a stanza of Dixie, I nearly injured myself when quickly standing at attention.
Wow I have been reading some of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Slavery would have been abolished sooner or later get over it. Also the reason the civil war happened was because of the west USA. It was all about what state will be slave and what state will be free. Can we now stop arguing about something that is way out of our hands?
this version should be legally made the OFFICIAL Anthem of Florida, just as THE BLACK HILLS OF DAKOTA shold be made Official Anthem of the TWO Dakota States. How aboutit? Let's lobby D.C. tomorrow morning, shall we?
...Ummm, anyone realize this song was written by a Northern abolitionist and Union sympathizer? It's not a Southern song, just written about the South. : /
Slavery (or indentured labour, the more correct and less emotive term) would eventually have been abolished reagrdless or at the very least modified by giving the Africans rights to quit the forced labour and go back home. As for whether salvery was positive or negative, you have to look at this in the context of mid 19th century society. To modern people it's abhorrent, but at least the slaves had to be fed and looked after by their owners, and could never be unemployed.
Obanana can't erase the old south. 600k died because of yankee aggression because of that double talking politician named lincoln. Great men like Judah Benjamin, Davis, Lee, Abraham Myers will always be remembered in hearts of southerners. All this pandering and reverse discrimination has tried to diminish celebrations of Lee's birthday on 19 Jan but the dumbed down feds will never have my obedience. Because of lincoln the USA's a third world country. Obanana is the epitome of mindlessness
Only 6% of all southerners had slaves so obviously the war of northern aggression was about something else like-----money-- the greedy union wanted those tax revenues from the south.
We have so much reverse discrimination in this country that its become an epidemic. what is this need that some have to pander. Blacks vote for blacks which is the epitome of racism, yet we cannot publicly talk that since its politically incorrect.
@goodoldrebel8 Speaking of pandering, you actually didn't answer either of my questions, and I actually never claimed that the Civil War was itself about slavery, although *secession* was definitely tied very heavily to slavery.
Now be a man and answer the questions.
1) Do you think slavery would have been abolished had it not been for the Civil War and reconstruction.
2) Do you regard the abolition of American slavery as a positive or a negative development in history?
@goodoldrebel8 the majority of blacks will vote for blacks just like the majority of whites will vote for whites so if blacks and whites are doing the same thing is it still epitome of racism?who elected obama black people are roughly 12.5% of the population so even if every black person in the united states voted he would not be president white people are the ones who elected him so is it still reverse discrimination
What's racist about blacks voting for blacks (sometimes)? You know, it's not exclusive, because you'll notice that the white Rep. Cohen represents a majority black district (TN-9). Nikki TInker tried quite explicitly to insist that black people could only have a black representative, and got crushed 80-20 in the primary. I'm plenty willing to talk about this publically- I'm a liberal Southerner who doesn't believe in hiding major issues with political correctness.
This country is no longer America but has been dumbed down to be the "New Zimbabwe". We can only blame that double talking jack ass lincoln who was responsible for 600k American lives. That mindless cockroach in the former white house is the culmination of this epidemic of pandering that america seems to be addicted to. We killed each other 150 years ago and for what, so the pandering yankees can say" look at how fair we are, yeah let's just dumb down like SA and Rhodesia"
@fearlessfred14 I think that there signals scrambled from day one in your head. Cognitively speaking it doesn't matter what part of the country you live in you'll always be a yankee. Wait until the blacks hand us the bill for this black albatross around America's neck. I only blame lincoln and that emancipating piece of toilet paper. Yes, I don't have that politically correct sock shoved down everyone's throat. How could lincoln have just dumped this permanent financial burden on us?
@dmk2113 Well, I think the bankrupt welfare state ofour government has a lot to do with flooding society with emancipated slaves. We had quota systems for places like China, Philippines etc. because we knew that they could carry the vote and elections would be based on an ethnocentric basis. This is what I believe our forefathers feared . Emancipation was and is an albatross around our necks. I don't think that the slaves should have had voting rights.Politically correct or not I still speak
Stephen Foster never visited Florida. And he chose to spell it Swanee so that it would fit into his melodic rhythm. Suwanee had one extra syllable that just didn't fit.
I love this song. I learned to play it on piano when I was 10. Never saw anything wrong with it. Florida is the greatest, best, free-est state in the Union. Tallahassee NEVER FELL during the War of Northern Aggression.
@momlovestosing The North wasn't the aggressor, it was the southern rebels actually. They wanted to enslave and discriminate against those who're different in terms of race and ethnicity and destroy this nation for an unjust, aggressive view of states rights where they thought it was okay to have slavery. Learn history por favor!
It's correct term is the "U.S. Civil War" not "war of northern aggression" =)
@kevinguerrero2011 The War of Northern Aggression was instigated by the North, who were for taking away states' rights. If you want to call it the "U.S. Civil War," you are free to do so. I will call it by its proper title.
Tallahassee needs to be commended for that. Visit the battlefield of Olustee just west of Jacksonville. A southern victory and a place that hasn't been transformed into a yankee perspective site.
I presume that you mean Talahassee never fell to the invading blue blooded yankees. Florida was one of the earliest states to secede from the north and needs to be commended for that.
The man who wrote this song was not even from Florida, in fact he had never even been to Florida, I find it highly stupid that this is the state song. BTW take "in god we trust" off my states flag.
People show surprise at this song (having not heard it before) but I am of the opposite camp. I was born in St. Louis, MO in 1946. I remember well singing this song in 2nd and 3rd grade. Even then it had a powerful impact on me. My family (fathers side) was from north westernTennessee and I always thought of the Suwannee River as being in that neck of the woods if it ever existed at all. Imagine my surprise when in 1986 I made a trip in a car to Florida and came across a bridge on I-75...
Uh ppl are saying a Florida person should sing their state song but I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl who sing and act have never heard of what they are doing like robert pattison and twilight lol
Lovely old song! It's got it all, Stephen Foster, Paul Robeson. Congratulations on a great montage of photographs too....compliments the song to perfection. I love Stephen foster songs. (The bit of Dixie at the end was great too...pity there wasn't a bit more of it.)
my grandpa used to sing me this song all the time but change the lyrics to "way down upon the Shawnee River" because my name is Shawn. But now my grandpa has probably but days left of life. He has taken a turn for the worst in his health and he will probably join the angels soon.
I think there are all manner of songs that can be divided amongst state or nation lines. Either way you put it, this is Florida's song. Attempting to define Florida is hard, especially when comparing Tallahassee to Miami. Then again, Florida never acted with respect to stereotypes.
Lol yeah state songs usually are a regional thing I guess lol yalls state song is another tune by Stephen Foster I think, "My old Kentucky home" right?
@davethegeek2 Yep, I was there in April. The Suwannee flows west into the Gulf of Mexico, it is in the northern part of Florida and somewhat wider and deeper than these pictures. They have a park where the highway crosses dedicated to this song and to Stephen Foster. I woud estimate the Suwanee is ~ 300 ft wide at that location.
I think it's a lovely song and I'm glad Florida kept it as it's official State Song. I confess I heard the new "contender" written by the British music teacher and what a fine song that was as well ... but "old Folks At Home" will always be the real anthem of the Sunshine State. My home town is Hollywood, FL in Broward County, but I live in Philly now.
@buddmar The words to this song were post-emancipation in composition, so it was part of the pop culture of the day to call back the plantations, and ultimately, slavery, because a slave was supposed to be happy to be in the position they were in because being controlled by "whites" made them "civilized", which is why the song was wrote in this way. By today's standards, this song is most oppressive toward blacks in America.
If the song is or was changed its truly a heartbreak. My home towns economy is pretty much reliant on the money the STEPHON FOSTER STATE PARK brings in with tourists looking to enjoy the remaining beauty of florida. Its a tiny town brough to life every year by the folk festival. Our history isnt pretty but its still OURS! Black or white if your of southern blood then we both have anscestor who survived ....Im ...out here in the world still longing for those old folks at home~
Yes indeed, sadly they are doing their best to change it, as far as I know they haven't made a choice on a new one yet.
And even worse our spinless governor Mr. Christ refused to have it played at his inaguration, so much for Republicans representing the old way of life.
I grew up on the suwannee river in the town of White Springs. I learned to swim in that muddy water when i was 2. I broke my arm on that river. I fell in love on that river. My oldest child learned to swim in that river. I have since left home but when i miss it I just sing this song. I learned it in kindergarten.
Hey Jewel, I've never known the Suwanee to be muddy. It's one of those beautiful, clear Florida rivers I've been on several times and love. My grandpa was born about 100 yards from it in 1858. I love the song!
Florida IS a southern state. it was the 3rd state to leave the U.S. back in 1860's right after South Carolina, then Mississippi. There are still a few old south plantations around the Madison and Monticello areas. Most are now private hunting/club houses. It rightfully belongs as the official state song.! Most other states songs are terrible, hard to sing.
Yeah they're trying, as fa as I know they haven't officially changed it yet, but I dont know, I could be wrong, either way my states song is still "Old folks at home", always has been and alwasy will be.
I can think of a great reason why we should not use this as the state song,... STEPHEN FOSTER WAS NOT A FLORIDIAN, he never even stepped foot in our state. Our state song should be by a Floridian.
The problem with that is that all the choices for the new state song are more worried about political correctness, and most are written by former yankees who have moved here becase they're old. I damn sure aint gonna vote for our state song to be changed to a song written by a damn blue coat.
My friend, Stephen Foster was Born in Pittsburg and Lived most of his Life in New york, the only time he even came to the south was when he went down the Mississippi on his honey moon to New orleans
I do agree that most of the choices for the new state song sucked though.
I never said that Stephen Foster was'nt a yankee, but when he wrote that song, the yankees had not yet betrayed us Southrons by invading us.
But yeah the new song choices do suck lol I think they should have gotten a professional musician who's also a Floridian to write it. Like maybe John Anderson. He's got alot of pride in Florida.
But it's about the content of the song. The person who wrote it should have no concern. If the same song was written by a Floridian, would it make it any different?
But the content of the song was hcnaged o say "brothers" instead of darkies, which is a good thing, so actually it could have been seen from the view point of anybody that lived at a plantation.
Alotta Southern blacks use the Confederate flag to represent being from the South, look at alot of Southern rappers. Down here were proud to be from the South and we aint bout to let you Yankees ruin our culture and way of life
and to tell you the truth i would ratha have latin people down here then northerners latin people cant really mess up a southerners accent but a yankee can if you be round em long enough thats why i dont like the city
...By the way the civil War was not about one specific thing. The main objective of it was to reform the Union. Slavery honestly was a political move of Lincoln
Yes, Lincoln ahd to desire to free the slaves, he just used it as a weapon against the South, hoping the slaves would revolt. His planned backfired because many slaves were treated very well and had no desire to leave thier homes, much less take up arms against thier fellow Southrons. The war was about the north wanting to keep the Southern states under thier control where they could continue to make so many millions of dollars per year from them.
Yes as I stated that it was a political move. But ,many slaves were not treated well (thus being slaves) but were afraid to revolt against their "masters".Lincoln reasons of want for the south together with the north was because of the nation needing to stay together.
P.S. the emancipation proclamation only referred to states that were in control by the Union. Also Lincoln was the one who wanted the south to be put back into America with open arms but he was assassinated so that didn't happen.
You are all mistaken. But all of you are not fools. The song is what it is and should not be changed. The freedom of slaves was for the benefit our country and should not be thought as people as maids, if so then you are too lazy to pick your own cotton and wash your own clothing and clean your own home. Many of you probably were out witted by most of your peers in school, therefore you pick the easiest way into life and that is by cyber-arguing and idealist.
A confederate flag... are you mad? Are you absolutely out of your mind? I'm an enlightened black living in Connecticut, and I listen to the "darkies" line with no problem because it was in keeping with the time. But you people have no excuse. Sure, keep your damn heritage... in a museum! The confederate flag is a symbol of racism and justified violence, as well as representing one of the bloodiest wars in history! Keep your delusions to yourself and don't mar the face of a good song with racism.
you are an ignorant black, not enlightened. The Confederate flag represents freedom from oppression,for veeryone of all races and nationalities, not racism, thats why our Confederate forefathers in the beginning of the war were already coming up with a plan to free the slaves, and get them educations, careers, and homes, like europe did, instead of just freeing them and throwing them into the world saying "sink or swim" like the union did, lincoln was not the great "emancipator" like you think..
...thats why he waited until 2 years of bloody warr ad passedto free the slaves, he didnt care about them being free, he was just hoping they would revolt, he was using it as a war measure. The truth is, the only people who use our great Confederate flag for hatred are the dumb-ass ignorant groups like the kkk and neo nazis, they're not even worthy to touch our flag. You have been brainwashed since birth too believe the opposite. Long Live the Rebellion! -Deo Vindice
And you, sir, are delusional, and I must ask that you please not spout off your opinions about things you know nothing about. Think, I beg you, what was the cause of the Civil War? Freedom? Hardly. State sovereignty, in other words, the right of states to make decisions and policy independent of a federal actor. And why was this such an important issue? Because the Republican Party, and Lincoln, wanted to nationalize the absence of slavery in the north, extending it to the south.
your actually saying that lincoln didnt have the power at first to emancipate the slaves? you do know that he took on totalitarian like powers when we seceded, for God's sake he he crated the entire state of west Virginia without the consent of congress(which is illegal) and when he declared war he also did it without the consent of congress(once again, illegal) anyone in the union who disagreed with him were arrested, he even tried to have the supreme court justice arrested!...
and Alexander Hamilton was a racist dumb-ass, thats why he supported slavery, only a very small population of the South owed slaves, so what did the other 250,000 die for? and how would you know what Davis and company wanted? your not even from the South! the only thing you have ever heard was what you've been spoonfed since birth. Im goin to end this now because obviously your far too brainwashed to see any point of view other than the one you've had forced down your throat your whole life...
Like I said, I pray that you one day wake up to the truth and begin to think for yourself, because only then will you truly be free. If you ever want to learn something other than what big brother forces you to believe, than pm please! Long Live the Rebellion! -Deo Vindice
its cuz hes a liberal from massachusettes and probably thinks the civil war was for freedom of slaves, but ummm it wasnt.... it was for the cause, not the slavery of niggs
lol you idiot if you read what I wrote and understand it. Then maybe you will see I was having a go at the racist comment made previous to mine. silly fool.
Considering that in the video there was no "@person" or no indent, there's no way for me to know that, since I don't go into the "view all comments" page. Looking at the original post though, I don't see how it correlates to it.
But since you weren't posting that toward the video itself, it's all good.
Think to yourself about the state of affairs at the time. Lincoln was running on a strong Republican platform, one which had been influenced by the works of Garrison, chiefly, which were strongly abolitionist. Further, slavery was the chief cause for the Lincoln-Douglas debates (guess who the contestants were) which also debated the right of a state to sovereignty. What is the purpose of such a debate, if not to keep an age-old practice of barbarians in the face of its ultimate destruction?
Moreover, how can you claim that slavery was not the cause of the separation when Alexander Stephens himself said in a speech around the time of Lincoln's election that slavery was the entire cause of the separation. (He later changed his view, by the way, along with Davis, saying that state rights were the sole motivating factor, but that's just the thing, state rights to uphold slavery laws). Also, first, you can't claim that Davis and company wanted European emancipation, because it's false.
Second, they couldn't have done that without completely brainwashing the population first. Do you seriously think that the population of the southern states would allow slavery to be abolished? Their entire economy depended on it! Third, at the point where the Confederacy could have actually abolished slavery, great, now what? What can you do? They are free, and you can... Institute affirmative action programs? Put in "racial harmony" programs in schools? Bring in MLK? Hardly.
Europe's policy only worked because they had had years to work on it, and their economy was not slave-dependent. Fourth, Lincoln got freedom for the slaves, and was shot before anything else could happen. We can't judge him based on this alone. Also, Lincoln didn't wait years because he wanted a slave revolt, it took him this amount of time to get the competing factions under control once more. I don't know if you've ever read it, but the constitution limits presidential power, check it out.
And yes, I am talking about the dumb-ass ignorant groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis, you idiot. These are exactly the people who use the flag as it was intended, a symbol for the suppression of innocent people based on the color of their skin. Just because you claim it means something different to you does not mean you can justify this. I don't wear a swastika because of its historical significance. Give humanity the respect it deserves and leave your moronic conceptions of history behind.
In short, my friend, you are wrong, and I am right. Also, I resent even the idea that I have been brainwashed from birth to believe anything. I look at the facts, and I see the truth, yo are the brainwashed one, ensconced, away from contact with people who truly care about the issues at hand. Truly, you should be ashamed.
Oh, and, don't try to argue, I always win, so it's really very pointless to even try. I'll understand.
It is a good song though, my regards to Stephen Foster.
if you belive that the civil war was over free'ing som nigs then u have been brainwashed by your liberal teachers, like the northern politicians really cared about slavery, abolishing slavery was a scape goat to destroy the southern economy not about civil fuckin rights dumbass think about it...
tpimp- Liberal thinking has nothing to do with people being upset with the song..however they are mistakenly doing so. You calling them names will not make them see the light.
Art NEVER gets censored no matter what's in it; why is every other form of media up for debate on whether or not it should be changed??? This song is part of our heritage and should never be altered.....the same goes for flags and banners. "Political correctness" is FASCISM and will be the death of AMERICAN culture if we let it.
Ive lived here all my life and have to say, the last thing I want to watch is a video of mossy trees, canals and lakes! Lol But I love florida.
macymay987 4 days ago
Really nice video! There's just something so rich about that place>
justinjonn 6 days ago
Only tears are left.Thanks once again to Radio Ceylon,1950 to 1970.
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kumarambrose 2 weeks ago
Besides, Foster was being pretty mild with the word "darkey." He could have very well written "O niggers, how my heart grows weary," but he didn't. Who knows the connotation "darkey" had back then? It could have been a very proper thing to call black people, just like Negro and colored once were.
mtsumusic 1 month ago
So, a black person can write a "song" with lyrics like this:
Break it down bitch, let me see you back it up
drop that ass down low then pick that motherfucker up
Back that pussy she's a motherfucker
Rub that shit it's yours bitch, grab his dick it's yours bitch
Now turn around bitch, put that ass on a nigga
Grind on his dick make it get a little bigger
but a white person writes a song with the word "darkey," and Foster's song is the damaging one? Total bullshit.
mtsumusic 1 month ago
Heritage Not Hate, yet you seen nothing wrong with darkie in it and a black person wanting to go back into slavery . I wondering how many Germany Sing songs parsing the Nazis.
Joeybsmooth 1 month ago
@1:16-1:28 Where is that located? It looks so beautiful!!!!
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ereed9906 4 months ago
I like my black socialists as singers of Foster songs.
Lubbockrebel 5 months ago
Hurrah for Jeff Davis and the Southern Confederacy!
Lubbockrebel 5 months ago 2
@Lubbockrebel
Sounds a bit silly considering it is being sung by Paul Robeson,
who besides being a 'darky' as is was politically correct at the time Stephen Foster wrote the tune,
was a true socialist an was open to influence from every nation ...
Jus my 2 (euro) cents
bert4a 5 months ago
One of my favorite Foster tunes. Unaware that this fine offering was to be followed by a stanza of Dixie, I nearly injured myself when quickly standing at attention.
JTB1956 6 months ago
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I masterbate to this song.......
EvilLittleGoats 6 months ago
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the south will rise again
CalebEatsaBullet 6 months ago
I also LOVE how the official lyrics according to the State Legislature are in the Southern accent!
scoobyrds 6 months ago
Wow I have been reading some of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Slavery would have been abolished sooner or later get over it. Also the reason the civil war happened was because of the west USA. It was all about what state will be slave and what state will be free. Can we now stop arguing about something that is way out of our hands?
BoeingBeatsAirbus 6 months ago
Now i know how to sing my state song
shakirachan12 7 months ago
this version should be legally made the OFFICIAL Anthem of Florida, just as THE BLACK HILLS OF DAKOTA shold be made Official Anthem of the TWO Dakota States. How aboutit? Let's lobby D.C. tomorrow morning, shall we?
JUNE 19, 2011.
squirell1952 7 months ago
...Ummm, anyone realize this song was written by a Northern abolitionist and Union sympathizer? It's not a Southern song, just written about the South. : /
NappyBunny416 7 months ago
Ah Florida, California's hotter, smarter sister :D
wariokid244 8 months ago
um... did anyone else notice the confederate flag at the end of this video? that kind of sickened me.
arryplova 8 months ago
this is probably one of the most beautiful songs i have ever heard. It makes me proud to be Floridian and descended from real Florida crackers.
PatrioticAstronaut 9 months ago
Slavery (or indentured labour, the more correct and less emotive term) would eventually have been abolished reagrdless or at the very least modified by giving the Africans rights to quit the forced labour and go back home. As for whether salvery was positive or negative, you have to look at this in the context of mid 19th century society. To modern people it's abhorrent, but at least the slaves had to be fed and looked after by their owners, and could never be unemployed.
marcusantonius90 9 months ago
i used to live in ft.lauderdale florida in broward county now im in atl
but i defintely miss it there
jillypie8 10 months ago
i love this song i havent heard in forever!
graceh9913 11 months ago
Obanana can't erase the old south. 600k died because of yankee aggression because of that double talking politician named lincoln. Great men like Judah Benjamin, Davis, Lee, Abraham Myers will always be remembered in hearts of southerners. All this pandering and reverse discrimination has tried to diminish celebrations of Lee's birthday on 19 Jan but the dumbed down feds will never have my obedience. Because of lincoln the USA's a third world country. Obanana is the epitome of mindlessness
goodoldrebel8 1 year ago
@goodoldrebel8
Honest questions that ask for honest answers:
1) Do you think slavery would have been abolished had it not been for the Civil War and reconstruction.
2) Do you regard the abolition of American slavery as a positive or a negative development in history?
dmk2113 10 months ago
@dmk2113
Only 6% of all southerners had slaves so obviously the war of northern aggression was about something else like-----money-- the greedy union wanted those tax revenues from the south.
We have so much reverse discrimination in this country that its become an epidemic. what is this need that some have to pander. Blacks vote for blacks which is the epitome of racism, yet we cannot publicly talk that since its politically incorrect.
goodoldrebel8 10 months ago
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@goodoldrebel8 Speaking of pandering, you actually didn't answer either of my questions, and I actually never claimed that the Civil War was itself about slavery, although *secession* was definitely tied very heavily to slavery.
Now be a man and answer the questions.
1) Do you think slavery would have been abolished had it not been for the Civil War and reconstruction.
2) Do you regard the abolition of American slavery as a positive or a negative development in history?
dmk2113 10 months ago
@goodoldrebel8 the majority of blacks will vote for blacks just like the majority of whites will vote for whites so if blacks and whites are doing the same thing is it still epitome of racism?who elected obama black people are roughly 12.5% of the population so even if every black person in the united states voted he would not be president white people are the ones who elected him so is it still reverse discrimination
number2055 8 months ago
@number2055 There's no such thing as "reverse discrimination/racism". Racist is racist, no matter who it's directed at.
NappyBunny416 7 months ago
@goodoldrebel8
What's racist about blacks voting for blacks (sometimes)? You know, it's not exclusive, because you'll notice that the white Rep. Cohen represents a majority black district (TN-9). Nikki TInker tried quite explicitly to insist that black people could only have a black representative, and got crushed 80-20 in the primary. I'm plenty willing to talk about this publically- I'm a liberal Southerner who doesn't believe in hiding major issues with political correctness.
fearlessfred14 8 months ago
@fearlessfred14
This country is no longer America but has been dumbed down to be the "New Zimbabwe". We can only blame that double talking jack ass lincoln who was responsible for 600k American lives. That mindless cockroach in the former white house is the culmination of this epidemic of pandering that america seems to be addicted to. We killed each other 150 years ago and for what, so the pandering yankees can say" look at how fair we are, yeah let's just dumb down like SA and Rhodesia"
goodoldrebel8 8 months ago
@fearlessfred14 I think that there signals scrambled from day one in your head. Cognitively speaking it doesn't matter what part of the country you live in you'll always be a yankee. Wait until the blacks hand us the bill for this black albatross around America's neck. I only blame lincoln and that emancipating piece of toilet paper. Yes, I don't have that politically correct sock shoved down everyone's throat. How could lincoln have just dumped this permanent financial burden on us?
goodoldrebel8 7 months ago
@dmk2113 Well, I think the bankrupt welfare state ofour government has a lot to do with flooding society with emancipated slaves. We had quota systems for places like China, Philippines etc. because we knew that they could carry the vote and elections would be based on an ethnocentric basis. This is what I believe our forefathers feared . Emancipation was and is an albatross around our necks. I don't think that the slaves should have had voting rights.Politically correct or not I still speak
goodoldrebel8 9 months ago
Stephen Foster never visited Florida. And he chose to spell it Swanee so that it would fit into his melodic rhythm. Suwanee had one extra syllable that just didn't fit.
I love this song. I learned to play it on piano when I was 10. Never saw anything wrong with it. Florida is the greatest, best, free-est state in the Union. Tallahassee NEVER FELL during the War of Northern Aggression.
momlovestosing 1 year ago
@momlovestosing The North wasn't the aggressor, it was the southern rebels actually. They wanted to enslave and discriminate against those who're different in terms of race and ethnicity and destroy this nation for an unjust, aggressive view of states rights where they thought it was okay to have slavery. Learn history por favor!
It's correct term is the "U.S. Civil War" not "war of northern aggression" =)
kevinguerrero2011 1 year ago
@kevinguerrero2011 The War of Northern Aggression was instigated by the North, who were for taking away states' rights. If you want to call it the "U.S. Civil War," you are free to do so. I will call it by its proper title.
momlovestosing 11 months ago
@momlovestosing
Tallahassee needs to be commended for that. Visit the battlefield of Olustee just west of Jacksonville. A southern victory and a place that hasn't been transformed into a yankee perspective site.
goodoldrebel8 10 months ago
@goodoldrebel8
I presume that you mean Talahassee never fell to the invading blue blooded yankees. Florida was one of the earliest states to secede from the north and needs to be commended for that.
goodoldrebel8 10 months ago
@goodoldrebel8 That is right, first was South Carolina, Mississippi then Florida.
73828 9 months ago
we keep calling it "swanee river" in my neck of the woods.
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kevinguerrero2011 1 year ago
Sure takes me back (though I never went to US of A) - I last heard this at the age of five, sixty years ago. Hold on to it, Florida, it's a gem!
druidtavern 1 year ago
I hope they never change our state song I grew up In Dixie and Gilcrest counties
CowboyinFlorida1 1 year ago 2
Volume is too low. :(
rimidalv47 1 year ago
I was born and raised in Florida, I'm 12 and this is the first time I have ever heard of this song.
Thelittlerascals123 1 year ago
@Thelittlerascals123 Because this song originated from the NC/Virginia areas.
supergiff8 1 year ago
Deo Vindice "With God our Vindicator"
The battle cry of the south during the civil war. Why have that at the end?
TheChristianShadow 1 year ago
@TheChristianShadow Heritage.
rimidalv47 1 year ago
The man who wrote this song was not even from Florida, in fact he had never even been to Florida, I find it highly stupid that this is the state song. BTW take "in god we trust" off my states flag.
thachief 1 year ago
...proclaiming the musical notes of the song on the sign and a nod to the place of were Stephen Foster got the inspiration for the music. Great song.
DubleDeuce 1 year ago
People show surprise at this song (having not heard it before) but I am of the opposite camp. I was born in St. Louis, MO in 1946. I remember well singing this song in 2nd and 3rd grade. Even then it had a powerful impact on me. My family (fathers side) was from north westernTennessee and I always thought of the Suwannee River as being in that neck of the woods if it ever existed at all. Imagine my surprise when in 1986 I made a trip in a car to Florida and came across a bridge on I-75...
DubleDeuce 1 year ago
god bless florida and god bless america
WelloDaDon 1 year ago
Uh ppl are saying a Florida person should sing their state song but I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl who sing and act have never heard of what they are doing like robert pattison and twilight lol
chibixcandy 1 year ago
cool song
TheMrbeesie 1 year ago
Lovely old song! It's got it all, Stephen Foster, Paul Robeson. Congratulations on a great montage of photographs too....compliments the song to perfection. I love Stephen foster songs. (The bit of Dixie at the end was great too...pity there wasn't a bit more of it.)
harbottle99 1 year ago
I am Danish and know this melody well, it is used in many languages (with their own words).
Sometimes a heritage deserves the spotlight just for those portions that are beautiful.
Heritage doesn't just belong to the politically correct, they belong everyone for all time.
Rotogravier 1 year ago
@Rotogravier
What a fantastic comment.
Charybdys 1 year ago
WHITE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
markeise1010 1 year ago
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wethreestooges 1 year ago
im doing a report on dis
MrCoolkid566 1 year ago
this is the state song,but the state anthem is Where the Sawgrass meets the sky...a beatiful song also
asian2art 1 year ago
can i get the lyrics for this? i need it for a report that is due tomorrow!!!!!!
haloroxyodragoon5508 1 year ago
wierd song im doing a report on florida
blueipod911 1 year ago
@blueipod911 i'm doing one now. it's due tomorrow, actually. i'm the do it at the last minute person, though.....
haloroxyodragoon5508 1 year ago
omg we listen to this in music class everyday now...
mslollipoplove110 1 year ago
if it makes every one happy, we can sing it in spanish.
jimmybob137 1 year ago 2
The CSA lost the war guys.
filestreet 2 years ago
my grandpa used to sing me this song all the time but change the lyrics to "way down upon the Shawnee River" because my name is Shawn. But now my grandpa has probably but days left of life. He has taken a turn for the worst in his health and he will probably join the angels soon.
Ninja9220 2 years ago
@Ninja9220 sorry to hear that =(
clairebear999 1 year ago
Hey i was just wondering i know florida was apart of the confederacy but how often did our soldiers fight and how many division did we have
Long live Dixie the CSA and southern pride
killerT134 2 years ago
I think there are all manner of songs that can be divided amongst state or nation lines. Either way you put it, this is Florida's song. Attempting to define Florida is hard, especially when comparing Tallahassee to Miami. Then again, Florida never acted with respect to stereotypes.
gelatinouslove 2 years ago
this is acctually the first time ive ever heard this song
im from kentucky though soo thats probably why lol.
13Baileybrooke 2 years ago 3
Lol yeah state songs usually are a regional thing I guess lol yalls state song is another tune by Stephen Foster I think, "My old Kentucky home" right?
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago 2
@13Baileybrooke That's crazy talk!
demfabulousbones 1 year ago
Anyone think it's funny the state song of Florida is "The Old Folks at Home?"
Ravie3 2 years ago 25
Actually yeah the irony of that has hit me a few times lol
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago 3
@Ravie3 Anyone been down the suwannee lately? I don't know where they got these pictures, but there isn't much nature left along that river.
davethegeek2 1 year ago
@davethegeek2 Yep, I was there in April. The Suwannee flows west into the Gulf of Mexico, it is in the northern part of Florida and somewhat wider and deeper than these pictures. They have a park where the highway crosses dedicated to this song and to Stephen Foster. I woud estimate the Suwanee is ~ 300 ft wide at that location.
Rotogravier 1 year ago
@Ravie3 But it was made in NC not Florida?
supergiff8 1 year ago
@Ravie3 this is a fake the florida song is called ''Swanee River" and is not this song
DXHHHable 9 months ago
@DXHHHable - I thought it was called The SUWannee River. Anyway, it's a lovely song. Just enjoy it, adopt it.
At least it's by Stephen Foster and not by some junkie with tattoos!
June 19, 2011.
squirell1952 7 months ago
I'm not racists, im a true Confederate.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
By the way - none of the posts mention who is singing this. Sounds like William Warfield or Paul Robeson?
mrlaw711 2 years ago
As far as I know it's Paul Robeson, he's got alot of great songs like this.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
I LOVE THE SONG "DIXIE".... it was re-conquered by the USA with the UNION VICTORY AT RICHMOND....
The LOYAL SOUTH in the UNION FOREVER!
The Loyal South Has Risen & Crushed The criminal CONfederacy....Nobama!
Deo Vindice!
+ God Bless & SAVE The USA!
USAsoldier1955 2 years ago
Yeah...ok...that's mature.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
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circlecityrabbit2004,
said "Yeah...ok....that's mature."
Thank you, Bro....and you know it's so! ;)
LOYAL CRACKERS FOR THE UNION....
Deo Vindice!
+ God Bless & SAVE The USA!
BTW -- "Dixie" & "Old Folks At Home"....WERE WRITTEN BY YANKEES.
The Official Song of the South should be: "O God Our Help In Ages Past"
Florida's State Song should be the French Huguenot metered Geneva Psalm 100:
"All People That On Earth Do Dwell"
USAsoldier1955 2 years ago
It's sad that anti-Confederates dont have any real argument anymore, it's almost boring dealing with you people anymore.
Long live the Confederacy! -Deo Vindice
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
Yeah your immature dude
crazycuntryboy2 2 years ago
Right, that guy was one of the more immature people ive met on here.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
I think it's a lovely song and I'm glad Florida kept it as it's official State Song. I confess I heard the new "contender" written by the British music teacher and what a fine song that was as well ... but "old Folks At Home" will always be the real anthem of the Sunshine State. My home town is Hollywood, FL in Broward County, but I live in Philly now.
buddmar 2 years ago 18
Yeah I agree, no matter what they choose as a new song, "Old folks at home" will always be the state song.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
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Glorious Song!
DEATH & PERPETUAL SHAME to the criminal CONfederacy....
LOYAL CRACKERS UNITE....
The LOYAL SOUTH in the UNION FOREVER!
+ God SAVE & BLESS The USA!
USAsoldier1955 2 years ago
@buddmar The words to this song were post-emancipation in composition, so it was part of the pop culture of the day to call back the plantations, and ultimately, slavery, because a slave was supposed to be happy to be in the position they were in because being controlled by "whites" made them "civilized", which is why the song was wrote in this way. By today's standards, this song is most oppressive toward blacks in America.
LoveAnthropology 11 months ago
@buddmar Ditto from another proud Hollywood native.
tonchibear 6 months ago
If the song is or was changed its truly a heartbreak. My home towns economy is pretty much reliant on the money the STEPHON FOSTER STATE PARK brings in with tourists looking to enjoy the remaining beauty of florida. Its a tiny town brough to life every year by the folk festival. Our history isnt pretty but its still OURS! Black or white if your of southern blood then we both have anscestor who survived ....Im ...out here in the world still longing for those old folks at home~
jewelstheif 2 years ago
Yes indeed, sadly they are doing their best to change it, as far as I know they haven't made a choice on a new one yet.
And even worse our spinless governor Mr. Christ refused to have it played at his inaguration, so much for Republicans representing the old way of life.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
I grew up on the suwannee river in the town of White Springs. I learned to swim in that muddy water when i was 2. I broke my arm on that river. I fell in love on that river. My oldest child learned to swim in that river. I have since left home but when i miss it I just sing this song. I learned it in kindergarten.
jewelstheif 2 years ago
Hey Jewel, I've never known the Suwanee to be muddy. It's one of those beautiful, clear Florida rivers I've been on several times and love. My grandpa was born about 100 yards from it in 1858. I love the song!
nononsenselamar 2 years ago
Florida IS a southern state. it was the 3rd state to leave the U.S. back in 1860's right after South Carolina, then Mississippi. There are still a few old south plantations around the Madison and Monticello areas. Most are now private hunting/club houses. It rightfully belongs as the official state song.! Most other states songs are terrible, hard to sing.
dgonzalee 2 years ago
Any other state song will not be acknowledged! And like you said, the other songs really are horrible lol
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
Who is singing this? Sounds like William Warfield or Paul Robeson
mrlaw711 2 years ago
I believe it's Paul Robeson, but I could be wrong.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
I am almost certain it's Paul Robeson.
MasterEled 2 years ago
it is
maybrook1 2 years ago
Well Paul Robeson is pretty good then lol
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
Got to rambling again, need to stop doing that, didn't mean to hose up your comments just hate prejudice and bigotry.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
lol no problem man
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
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Luigi84289 2 years ago
They're changing yalls song!? Blasphemy. There's noting wrong with that song.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Yeah they're trying, as fa as I know they haven't officially changed it yet, but I dont know, I could be wrong, either way my states song is still "Old folks at home", always has been and alwasy will be.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
A beautiful song
manofcailay 2 years ago
Yep, that it is!
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
i kayaked down that the other day. that was hilarious!! it was fun though.
pertygirl08 2 years ago
lol yeah the Suwanee is really somethin, alot of beautiful scenery
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
i liked it but not thr person who sang it
TACEY9 2 years ago
Who? Steven Foster?
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
I can think of a great reason why we should not use this as the state song,... STEPHEN FOSTER WAS NOT A FLORIDIAN, he never even stepped foot in our state. Our state song should be by a Floridian.
thachief 2 years ago
The problem with that is that all the choices for the new state song are more worried about political correctness, and most are written by former yankees who have moved here becase they're old. I damn sure aint gonna vote for our state song to be changed to a song written by a damn blue coat.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
My friend, Stephen Foster was Born in Pittsburg and Lived most of his Life in New york, the only time he even came to the south was when he went down the Mississippi on his honey moon to New orleans
I do agree that most of the choices for the new state song sucked though.
thachief 2 years ago
I never said that Stephen Foster was'nt a yankee, but when he wrote that song, the yankees had not yet betrayed us Southrons by invading us.
But yeah the new song choices do suck lol I think they should have gotten a professional musician who's also a Floridian to write it. Like maybe John Anderson. He's got alot of pride in Florida.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
But it's about the content of the song. The person who wrote it should have no concern. If the same song was written by a Floridian, would it make it any different?
sknotewwn18whwi5g 2 years ago
But the content of the song was hcnaged o say "brothers" instead of darkies, which is a good thing, so actually it could have been seen from the view point of anybody that lived at a plantation.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
Alotta Southern blacks use the Confederate flag to represent being from the South, look at alot of Southern rappers. Down here were proud to be from the South and we aint bout to let you Yankees ruin our culture and way of life
SkinnyFLA 2 years ago
Absoluetely! I see alot of blacks who are fellow Southrons who fly the flag proudly, they know the truth! -Deo Vindice
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
and to tell you the truth i would ratha have latin people down here then northerners latin people cant really mess up a southerners accent but a yankee can if you be round em long enough thats why i dont like the city
IMFLORIDA305 2 years ago
...By the way the civil War was not about one specific thing. The main objective of it was to reform the Union. Slavery honestly was a political move of Lincoln
shaye1444 2 years ago
Yes, Lincoln ahd to desire to free the slaves, he just used it as a weapon against the South, hoping the slaves would revolt. His planned backfired because many slaves were treated very well and had no desire to leave thier homes, much less take up arms against thier fellow Southrons. The war was about the north wanting to keep the Southern states under thier control where they could continue to make so many millions of dollars per year from them.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
Yes as I stated that it was a political move. But ,many slaves were not treated well (thus being slaves) but were afraid to revolt against their "masters".Lincoln reasons of want for the south together with the north was because of the nation needing to stay together.
P.S. the emancipation proclamation only referred to states that were in control by the Union. Also Lincoln was the one who wanted the south to be put back into America with open arms but he was assassinated so that didn't happen.
shaye1444 2 years ago
You are all mistaken. But all of you are not fools. The song is what it is and should not be changed. The freedom of slaves was for the benefit our country and should not be thought as people as maids, if so then you are too lazy to pick your own cotton and wash your own clothing and clean your own home. Many of you probably were out witted by most of your peers in school, therefore you pick the easiest way into life and that is by cyber-arguing and idealist.
monk5007 2 years ago
Yeah I despise slavery, it was a horrible institution, but I am an idealist, and proud to be one.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
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Luigi84289 2 years ago
A confederate flag... are you mad? Are you absolutely out of your mind? I'm an enlightened black living in Connecticut, and I listen to the "darkies" line with no problem because it was in keeping with the time. But you people have no excuse. Sure, keep your damn heritage... in a museum! The confederate flag is a symbol of racism and justified violence, as well as representing one of the bloodiest wars in history! Keep your delusions to yourself and don't mar the face of a good song with racism.
Kiribati42 3 years ago
you are an ignorant black, not enlightened. The Confederate flag represents freedom from oppression,for veeryone of all races and nationalities, not racism, thats why our Confederate forefathers in the beginning of the war were already coming up with a plan to free the slaves, and get them educations, careers, and homes, like europe did, instead of just freeing them and throwing them into the world saying "sink or swim" like the union did, lincoln was not the great "emancipator" like you think..
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
...thats why he waited until 2 years of bloody warr ad passedto free the slaves, he didnt care about them being free, he was just hoping they would revolt, he was using it as a war measure. The truth is, the only people who use our great Confederate flag for hatred are the dumb-ass ignorant groups like the kkk and neo nazis, they're not even worthy to touch our flag. You have been brainwashed since birth too believe the opposite. Long Live the Rebellion! -Deo Vindice
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
thank you, hes rite the confederate flag is not a racist flag, dumbass's like kkk adopted it to try and gain support
tpimp407 2 years ago
Yes indeed, they are a disgrace.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
And you, sir, are delusional, and I must ask that you please not spout off your opinions about things you know nothing about. Think, I beg you, what was the cause of the Civil War? Freedom? Hardly. State sovereignty, in other words, the right of states to make decisions and policy independent of a federal actor. And why was this such an important issue? Because the Republican Party, and Lincoln, wanted to nationalize the absence of slavery in the north, extending it to the south.
Kiribati42 3 years ago
your actually saying that lincoln didnt have the power at first to emancipate the slaves? you do know that he took on totalitarian like powers when we seceded, for God's sake he he crated the entire state of west Virginia without the consent of congress(which is illegal) and when he declared war he also did it without the consent of congress(once again, illegal) anyone in the union who disagreed with him were arrested, he even tried to have the supreme court justice arrested!...
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
and Alexander Hamilton was a racist dumb-ass, thats why he supported slavery, only a very small population of the South owed slaves, so what did the other 250,000 die for? and how would you know what Davis and company wanted? your not even from the South! the only thing you have ever heard was what you've been spoonfed since birth. Im goin to end this now because obviously your far too brainwashed to see any point of view other than the one you've had forced down your throat your whole life...
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
Like I said, I pray that you one day wake up to the truth and begin to think for yourself, because only then will you truly be free. If you ever want to learn something other than what big brother forces you to believe, than pm please! Long Live the Rebellion! -Deo Vindice
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
its cuz hes a liberal from massachusettes and probably thinks the civil war was for freedom of slaves, but ummm it wasnt.... it was for the cause, not the slavery of niggs
tpimp407 2 years ago
ooops kkk with the confederate flag just went an let one fly
lolololol
cracker motherfucker
put that whip away masser
bluedogdick 2 years ago
@bluedogdick Thanks for mindless racism and ignorance, bluedog. I feel quite edified now.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
lol you idiot if you read what I wrote and understand it. Then maybe you will see I was having a go at the racist comment made previous to mine. silly fool.
bluedogdick 2 years ago
Considering that in the video there was no "@person" or no indent, there's no way for me to know that, since I don't go into the "view all comments" page. Looking at the original post though, I don't see how it correlates to it.
But since you weren't posting that toward the video itself, it's all good.
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Luigi84289 2 years ago
Think to yourself about the state of affairs at the time. Lincoln was running on a strong Republican platform, one which had been influenced by the works of Garrison, chiefly, which were strongly abolitionist. Further, slavery was the chief cause for the Lincoln-Douglas debates (guess who the contestants were) which also debated the right of a state to sovereignty. What is the purpose of such a debate, if not to keep an age-old practice of barbarians in the face of its ultimate destruction?
Kiribati42 3 years ago
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Luigi84289 2 years ago
Moreover, how can you claim that slavery was not the cause of the separation when Alexander Stephens himself said in a speech around the time of Lincoln's election that slavery was the entire cause of the separation. (He later changed his view, by the way, along with Davis, saying that state rights were the sole motivating factor, but that's just the thing, state rights to uphold slavery laws). Also, first, you can't claim that Davis and company wanted European emancipation, because it's false.
Kiribati42 3 years ago
Second, they couldn't have done that without completely brainwashing the population first. Do you seriously think that the population of the southern states would allow slavery to be abolished? Their entire economy depended on it! Third, at the point where the Confederacy could have actually abolished slavery, great, now what? What can you do? They are free, and you can... Institute affirmative action programs? Put in "racial harmony" programs in schools? Bring in MLK? Hardly.
Kiribati42 3 years ago
Europe's policy only worked because they had had years to work on it, and their economy was not slave-dependent. Fourth, Lincoln got freedom for the slaves, and was shot before anything else could happen. We can't judge him based on this alone. Also, Lincoln didn't wait years because he wanted a slave revolt, it took him this amount of time to get the competing factions under control once more. I don't know if you've ever read it, but the constitution limits presidential power, check it out.
Kiribati42 3 years ago
And yes, I am talking about the dumb-ass ignorant groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis, you idiot. These are exactly the people who use the flag as it was intended, a symbol for the suppression of innocent people based on the color of their skin. Just because you claim it means something different to you does not mean you can justify this. I don't wear a swastika because of its historical significance. Give humanity the respect it deserves and leave your moronic conceptions of history behind.
Kiribati42 3 years ago
your an idiot , there is a differece between a dumbfuck in a sheet waving the flag and a person of southern decent
tpimp407 2 years ago
In short, my friend, you are wrong, and I am right. Also, I resent even the idea that I have been brainwashed from birth to believe anything. I look at the facts, and I see the truth, yo are the brainwashed one, ensconced, away from contact with people who truly care about the issues at hand. Truly, you should be ashamed.
Oh, and, don't try to argue, I always win, so it's really very pointless to even try. I'll understand.
It is a good song though, my regards to Stephen Foster.
Kiribati42 3 years ago
you didnt win shit, you just made a fool of yourself.
ranchnman 3 years ago
thats ok man, he's just an ignorant fool, so I blocked him lol
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
actuly, circle dude, no ofense, but u were just pwned, and cn both of u pleeze get a life?
RebelYell555 3 years ago
pwned? what do u mean? lol
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
if you belive that the civil war was over free'ing som nigs then u have been brainwashed by your liberal teachers, like the northern politicians really cared about slavery, abolishing slavery was a scape goat to destroy the southern economy not about civil fuckin rights dumbass think about it...
tpimp407 2 years ago
tpimp- Liberal thinking has nothing to do with people being upset with the song..however they are mistakenly doing so. You calling them names will not make them see the light.
freedomlost2007 2 years ago
yeah Ive already talkied to him bout using slander like that, it only hurts our cause.
circlecityrabbit2004 2 years ago
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Luigi84289 2 years ago
well said
bluedogdick 2 years ago
Art NEVER gets censored no matter what's in it; why is every other form of media up for debate on whether or not it should be changed??? This song is part of our heritage and should never be altered.....the same goes for flags and banners. "Political correctness" is FASCISM and will be the death of AMERICAN culture if we let it.
Great video.
Greetings and a Rebel yell from central Florida.
sparkywundermutt1 3 years ago
I agree 100%. Political correctnesswill destory free speech. so what part of central Florida u from man?
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
The Okeechobee area, how about you?
sparkywundermutt1 3 years ago
im a little north of you, up in Highlands county
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago
Oh yeah, Placid, Ive been there a million times, nice area.
sparkywundermutt1 3 years ago
yeah the city of murals lol
circlecityrabbit2004 3 years ago