My Dad flipped one of these at a demo day. They had a rough course, and they said the FJ could handle anything. My dad proved that theory wrong hahaha
la fj es una camioneta 4x4 con carrocería montada sobre le chasis bastidor, con motor V6 a gasolina de 4 lt. es una edicion limitada para los fanaticos de land-cruiser.
mientras que la fortuner tiene carroceria compacta con motor de 4 cil. a diesel turbo intercooler con 3 filas de asientos, es mas familiar y mucho mas equipada en accesorio.
gracias mi pana pero aqui en venezuela la fortuner tiene motor V6 4.0 ltrs.y tengo entendido que nos son land cruiser..ah y la fortuner tambien es de chasis
indepedent suspension is not for offroad use, they reduce debatement capability... jeep understand it and keep the rubicon with solid axle... toyota maybe one day.....
very nice! make it clearer next time tho. i cant believe these one vehicle owning mofos are still arguing about jeeps and toyotas. both vehicle caters to a specific buyer. jeeps= high school kids working at macdonalds.
well if jeep is so great, then why is it that the majority of the 4x4 across the globe are not jeep? I have a 4x4 durango 5.9 with a 6500 rated tow, its the same as a cheroke and i can tell you that no matter how much you like your inline 6, it will never acomodate a fully equipped 4x4. Put on the wench, bumpers, guards, roof rack, rock slidders, recovery tools, spare parts, and you soon realize why most off road machines including jeeps put a crap vortec in the hood.
Por eso siempre digo toyota es toyota y jeep bueee, si quiero una carro de jugete me voy a Mc' Donals y pido una cajita feliz. y les dejo un dicho muy cierto en el mundo toyota:
"Prefiero empujar mi toyota land cruiser, a ser empujado por un jeep"
me! I admit I installed JKS Quicker Discos first. But I did it and the Jeep did just grand! I had some severely scuffed fender flares, but some 3m scrubbing pads and Krylon Fusion made it look new again!
The point i was trying to make, is that a stock loaded 2008 FJ can go anywhere a stock loaded 2008 JK can with, as long as both have good drivers and the right tires. Reliability is more important than capability in off roading, and thats why Toyota is used in other countries. However I am not trying to say Jeeps cant offroad, especially the built up ones. Personally I'd rather have the more reliable vehicle in the middle of nowhere.
If you bought the Rubicon edition JK the FJ likely wouldn't be able to get as many places.
But only looking at standard editions, YES, both can get anywhere the other can. Although JK might not be as tipy on this contrived course the FJ would still make it.
Don't mix up reliability that Consumer Reports gives you with durability that gets you home from a weekend of abuse. Jeep has been building durable vehicles for decades and if forced to make a choice I'd count on the JK to get me home.
Reliability? What are you talking about? One of my Jeeps is a '97 with 130k and the other is a '00 with 106k. They are absolute babies compared to the other Jeeps in my club. The 4.0 has a reputation for easily attaining the quarter million mile mark. You guys are all drinking the Toyota quality kool-aid. Enjoy it!
i have an 85 fj60 with 385k miles with no rebuild, on the 4.2 inline, and my uncle has a 73 fj40 with 422k miles, and neither have been rebuilt. we had a 1990 jeep wranger, we had to place to carb twice, and the head before it even hit 100k miles. we also had a 1965 cj5 with a chevy 350 in it that i miss dearly, but jeeps are good trucks, so are the toyota.s
1992 Cherokee 4.0 with 320k, no rebuild, just normal maintenance, 5.5" lift 34" MT Baja, amongst other things, rolled it in Moab and it still ticks away without hesitation. People fail to remember that the Land Cruise/FJ wouldn't exist had it not been for Jeep, and Toyota wouldn't be where it is today due to that. Likewise goes for Land Rover. They're all good vehicles but don't criticize your roots O_o
Dude? Really!? Daimler Chrysler has always been in the shadow of Toyota. If it wasn't for WWII Jeep would be nonexistent. I agree about Land Rover, its an over priced soccer mom mobile just like the H2. The FJ meets every requirement anyone can ask for and doesn't cost 40. And about your cherokee, just remember it only "ticks" through the competition when the Fj roars.
I'd like to see any FJ against my XJ so I can point and laugh. You're one of those Toyota Fanboys that cries "Toyota is better than everything" only out of mere opinion. Pull your head out of your rear and read into your history a bit. Chrysler had nothing to do WITH Jeep during WWII, and the I6 4.0 is perhaps the only good thing to ever have the Chrysler badge accredited to it. As I said, the Toyota is a hell of a contender, but bottom line is, FJ wouldn't exist if Willy's didn't. Some brown?
Your right the Jeep was the beginning of off road vehicles and a line of tuff ass vehicles to come but you have to face the facts that it is history, there is no way Toyota or any auto maker should give credit to someone else for there own engineering. The only way I can say FJ is better than Jeep is that I have owned both. And you saying that there would not be any off road vehicles if it were not for Jeep is YOUR "opinion."
I didn't say that, please show me where at any point that's what I said or even implied. I merely stated that Toyota would have never made the Land Cruiser (original FJ) had it not been for the influence of the Jeep, which is a fact even stated by the people in charge of launching the original FJ. The US had Toyota manufacture Jeeps for the Korean War which eventually was the building block for the original Land Cruiser. So sorry to say, but that's HISTORY'S "opinion." I rest my case.
im a lil late in reading this comment but i agree and totally disagree with you. yes its true toyota probably came up with the original fj cos of jeep but then saying that toyota should be thankful to the original jeep is a load of crap!! they proved that those vehicles had good performance and were reliable!!!and im not a toyota fanboy!! i don like them much cos everyone who drives them are morons!!comin from where i live that is!!they just keep tail gating!!!nd i hate that..
I never said toyota should be thankful to Jeep, but Toyota built the first Willy's Jeeps for the Korean war, aside from the original "Ford" Jeeps, which spurred their idea as they were contracted out by the US Govt. They shouldn't be thankful but these morons that say Jeeps are crap and the FJ's aren't are talking out of their asses. That's my point. A side note, my girlfriend drives a Land Cruiser and we go trail riding in pairs all the time. So I know it's not a shitbox.
why cant jeep and landcruiser people love one another and see the cars for there good points and bad points. because in the end there is no perfection in any vehicle. and dont make outragouse claims that jeeps are reliable because every body else knows they arent. i have a landcruiser and two land rovers and love them both.
How do you say "love one another" and then bash Jeeps two seconds later. You're just another moron. Can't you feel the love? 135k on the '97 TJ now and 112k on the '00. Oh yeah, they're both daily drivers that get the crap beat out of them on the weekends in the mud bogs of the pine barrens and the rocks at Rausch Creek. But you're right, if only they were reliable...ignorant fool.
jeeps are not as reliable as a land cruiser and its not, and its not as reliable as any toyota vehicle. the landcruise is a daily driver and i am just now replacing the original muffler at 200k miles. all im saying is that jeeps have theyre downfalls too just like every other vehicle, i dont hate jeeps i hate the jeep owners that talk shit about every other offroad vehicle thats not a jeep.
Reports don't mean crap. Who's reports? Consumer Reports? I guess all of us who KNOW the 4.0 is a great reliable engine through hundreds of thousands of miles of ownership and not web speculation are secretly dumping thousands of dollars into repairing them and then denying it. Yeah, that scenario is certainly plausible. The only things I've done are changed the oil, spark plugs, cap, rotor, belts, and the starter at 125k ($55). The water pump & alternator will likely need attention soon.
i have an fjc but b/c i live in the states...if i lived in africa i would have a sfa landcruiser b/c they are more durable so jeep enthusiasts comments are right.
however my fj is used for trails alike as my wrangler and if i had to choose to have only one it would be my fj b/c the wrangler to me is a toy for weekends only and i would not have my wife drive that with my kids in it on the street, but for sure the rubicon is more capable and the fj is a good COMPROMISE except in the desert =)
Stock Wrangler to Stock FJ, the Wrangler will have the upperhand in the rocks due its solid axles. However, the difference is, the FJ has suspension used in other countries were offroading is not a fun thing to do on the weekend...its life or death in the desert or wherever. Thats why you predominantly see jeeps here and not in the middle east, africa, or Australia.
You don't see Jeeps in those parts of the world due to availability, not consumer selection. When there are no tariffs, embargoes, or anything else Jeeps are very popular. Life or death in the desert has no relationship to the suspension configuration, it's all about the suspension implementation. You can have smooth solid suspension and bumpy independent.
The primary advantage of the FJ suspension is it provides a more car like ride which 99% of SUV buyers want.
Incorrect you are. You don't see Jeeps abroad because foreigners aren't brainwashed into thinking that they MUST buy American or else. In the middle of the Sahara you need the best vehicle, that's Toyota.
As far as the suspension goes, the IFS/solid rear on the FJ is the best off-road suspension combo for all application save extreme rock crawling, even then it's still capable. The FJ was built to be able to crawl, do expeditions, drive on the street, and race the Baja 1000.
Completely wrong. Jeep's popularity is from its merits, not the country that owns it (it was German until months ago).
IFS w/ solid rear is like street racing tires in the front with tractor tires in the rear. You get the worst of both; low static ground clearance in the rear & poor articulation and traction in the front.
If it weren't for full size pick up sales in the US Toyota would be #1. Yet the Jeep Cherokee (Solid F/R) is the choice for stock desert racing (JeepSpeed), not a Toyota.
Are you saying if you bought a Jeep and the FJ in Venezuela would and drove it over the same course it would behave differently than this video demonstrates??
Oh yeah, Jeep is American again and the Venezuelan dictator hates the US if you live there you only get anti-american jealously propaganda.
Something tells me if Jeep and Toyota completely switched the vehicles they were selling the American company would still suk while the non-American company would be king of the road in Venezuela.
Regardless of which countries and leaders you like or which brand manufactures a particular vehicle physics don't change. If you have to resort to insults because you have no facts to back up your argument because it is totally incorrect then you shouldn't bother posting. The bottom line is a Jeep Rubicon Wrangler will be able to take you places that Toyota's best offroad vehicles can't get to. It's just a fact, please stop being offended by it.
Its a Toyota guys.... there is NO substitute for reliability. Go to the middle of nowhere in Australia or anywhere like what pman9003 was saying and 85% or more will be Toyotas not jeeps.
its apples to oranges here. the FJ **IS NOT** designed as a rock crawler. its an expidetion style rig. it is capable as a rock crawler but there is FAR more to offroading that rocks.
There is an area I will agree with you on. The older SFA Yotas and 4runners do great. When they went to IFS, they effectivly started producing mall crawlers.
LOL i broke my fj first time out, dealer was kind enough to return my wrangler and only keep 5 grand for the trouble. Stay far away from toyota right now.
The Rubicon (10.2") has improved clearance over the 4WD FJ (9.6)
5) Approach / Departure / Breakover Angles
The Rubicon (41/37/22) exceeds the FJ (34/30/unknown) here as well
6) Turning Radius
The Rubicon's short wheelbase offers a significantly more agile platform (34.9" radius) than the FJ (42" radius) thanks to the FJ's 10" longer wheelbase & 20" longer overall length.
oh come on... Jeep makes the best 4x4 hands down. They're made for it. the Rubicon is the All-star of Jeeps. You can't compare the FJ to a Jeep Rubicon.
Rubicon has significantly more flex and can be lifted higher for less money if you so desired. I have read that the RTI score of a stock FJ is around 400 and the RTI of a stock Rubicon disco'd is over 800 (double the flex of a FJ).
This is to completely ignore the fact that a SFA is typically much more durable on the trail and significantly easier to field-repair if you do manage to break it.
1) By build quality are you referring to the body-cracking issue that is prevalent with any FJ Cruiser that rides on rough terrain? It's a great build when the body won't even stay together :)
2) The Rubicon would have idled through that set of ramps without a tire ever leaving the ground, let alone teetering on the brink of flopping.
Are you seriously trying to compare the FJ to the Rubicon?
The Rubicon would have done the same.... i mean the tires leaving the ground... I did that with similar ramp in 2007 wrangler.
Do you have an idea how many Wrangler posible customers have bought a Toyota?, a very large number.... ... my suggestion is that if you miles are 50%-50% off road/ highway go for the wrangler.... otherwise the FJ is a better decision.... I guess 95% of us never go off road more than once or twice a month.
with the swaybar connected, yes the Rubi would lift.. with the swaybar disconnected, I am sorry but you are incorrect. They have a similar track setup out here at the local 4Wheel Parts. Attempting to imply that a IFS vehicle has comparable flex to a SFA vehicle is absurd.
Regarding the which vehicle is best. Certainly the FJ has better road manners but can you drop the top or take the doors off the FJ? In warmer climates the TJ/JK is the easy choice for that reason alone :)
the swaybar will help with some inches... not feet.... i would love to see a wrangler video in that ramp...of course a SFA vehicle is better than a IFS.... but that is true 1% of the time when you are climbing rocks..you are right on the top and doors on the FJ... you cannot remove them.. but if you want to do that you buy a TJ/JK ..they are perfect for that.. I beleive the FJ is just a more complete vehicle....but that is just my opinion..
1% of the time when you are climing on rocks? I guess we're catering to the mall-crawler community here on youtube where driving down a well used dirt road is a "off road experience"? :)
1% is too much!...I did not say off roading, I said rock climbing which is te most demanding off road type. If I have driven 5,000 miles in my FJ 1% is 50 miles....50 miles rock climbing is 20 hours... remember you are driving let say 2 or 3 miles an hour
General Off road where you need 4x4 low that I have driven maybe 100 hours... ( in three months )
1% may be too much for you but the fact is that when I take my wrangler offroad it's about 90% rock crawling on class 3 and 4 trails at superlift ORV park because that is the type of off roading that I think is the most challenging. I would love to see a FJ Cruiser trying to run "Can Opener" or "Gregs Rocks". It would never make it. :)
A stock FJ or Wrangler cannot do many things... I have a friend that can´t use his 2005 rubicon for difficult rock crawling because he refuses to modify anything, he wants a stock Wrangler and I want the same for my FJ.
Actually during R&D testing, stock FJ's (with street tires) were taken on all of the most challenging trails across America and passed with flying colors. A stock FJ can ascent Hell's Gate with ease, and several FJ's kicked ass in the Baja 1000 (including a 2nd place by only 30 seconds). People need to do their homework before they open their mouths and stop being jealous towards the new top-dog of the 4x4 world.
im commenting about you saying the fj is better on the road than a jk. i read an artical in four wheel drive magazine that reported that its worse onroad as the fj. and the kia sofia was better than the fj offroad. where are all the kia sofia offroad vids at? hehe. soon there will be plenty of fj ifs parts lining the trails. i bet thats an easy fix. keep the knowledge alive
Cool!! I have a yellow one just like it too. And it is a wonderful vehicle. Funny how the jeep and hummer folks always bitch and moan about what a lousy vehicle the FJ is...yet they sit and watch the FJ videos.
im osrry but thats exactly what you dont want your vehicle to do under similar conditions, that lack of flex and all that tilting is what causes dangerouse flips and bad injuries. my 97 Tj had so much more flex before the lift.
Whatch WHAT? A vehicle with so little flex it nearly flops every time it drives over a 1.5 foot bump? Seriously? lol YEAH THIS TRUCK IS AWESOME! Funny how I never see an FJ on class 3 thru 5 trails at superlift park : 3w's (dot) orvpark (dot) com
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paperthinedge1218 5 months ago
fj=fucking junk
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juvi81 1 year ago
My Dad flipped one of these at a demo day. They had a rough course, and they said the FJ could handle anything. My dad proved that theory wrong hahaha
musclekid13 1 year ago
@musclekid13 maybe your dad is one of them schleprock kind of guys that will break whatever they touch.????
WorldExtremeCholo 1 year ago
@WorldExtremeCholo No he just goes to Moab every year, and does rock crawling.
musclekid13 1 year ago
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WorldExtremeCholo 1 year ago
esta pesada la fj
judasrock100 1 year ago
what the hell is that , his driving was so nice ! i thinked the car gonna flip over in some moves , anyway nice video
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FjQTR 2 years ago
Where is my Pinto keys?! My Pinto can do the same thing!! Heck put any car on those ramps and it will do the same!
itsmonti1 2 years ago
IFS for the win hahahaha
best17driver 2 years ago
What??
west1990w 2 years ago
holly shit i thought that was gona flip over a few times...
lexmark136 2 years ago
la Fortuner también es de chasis idependiente osea laegueros como el fj y el motoe V6 4.0 yo tengo una en venezuela
pana180 2 years ago
la fj cruiser y la fortuner tienen las mismas caracteristicas?me refiero a lo del chasis y la suspencion y eso..gracias.saludos
azucarezy 3 years ago
la fj es una camioneta 4x4 con carrocería montada sobre le chasis bastidor, con motor V6 a gasolina de 4 lt. es una edicion limitada para los fanaticos de land-cruiser.
mientras que la fortuner tiene carroceria compacta con motor de 4 cil. a diesel turbo intercooler con 3 filas de asientos, es mas familiar y mucho mas equipada en accesorio.
gracias
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dzjkcw 2 years ago
gracias mi pana pero aqui en venezuela la fortuner tiene motor V6 4.0 ltrs.y tengo entendido que nos son land cruiser..ah y la fortuner tambien es de chasis
azucarezy 2 years ago
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my bicycle is better..
isaacazares 3 years ago
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Oh please go trade in your GayFj for a H2!
~Matthew
thrillrideseeker 3 years ago
indepedent suspension is not for offroad use, they reduce debatement capability... jeep understand it and keep the rubicon with solid axle... toyota maybe one day.....
sampwell819 3 years ago
Yeah I want to buy a Jeep so I can be like everyone else. That would rock.
chrisngrod 3 years ago 6
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arpajgab 3 years ago
very nice! make it clearer next time tho. i cant believe these one vehicle owning mofos are still arguing about jeeps and toyotas. both vehicle caters to a specific buyer. jeeps= high school kids working at macdonalds.
FJC= when you cant afford a 4runner.
ssg4x4 3 years ago
4 Runner and Fj and Two TOTALLY Different vehicles. Oh and they are very similar in price..... hmmmmmm
yourdonemrg 2 years ago
its awsome and i ll get my fj in this week :D
mrsnoopys 3 years ago
great 4x4
fj is a great 4x4
shadeed911 3 years ago
well if jeep is so great, then why is it that the majority of the 4x4 across the globe are not jeep? I have a 4x4 durango 5.9 with a 6500 rated tow, its the same as a cheroke and i can tell you that no matter how much you like your inline 6, it will never acomodate a fully equipped 4x4. Put on the wench, bumpers, guards, roof rack, rock slidders, recovery tools, spare parts, and you soon realize why most off road machines including jeeps put a crap vortec in the hood.
missingxtension 3 years ago
i think he's talking about the wrangler, which is an excellent stock 4x4 and can easily be modified to be so much better.
byronicusmagnus 3 years ago
how about no LOL Rubicon could NOT do that without lifting a tire. Common sense, man.
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
NEW Fj are a weak sister compared to a tj Fj's are beter suited for driving kids to soccer practice they just don't wheel very well.
jjejeep 3 years ago
Hmm Sounds like a comment from someone who has never driven an FJ.
yourdonemrg 2 years ago
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detroitjeeper 3 years ago
why is it bouncing like that on those little obstacles? Is my Jeep Wrangler broken? cause it sits level and cruises over stuff like that?
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madcapperx 3 years ago
LOL
detroitjeeper 3 years ago
well set up
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msharI666 3 years ago
The Subaro with its independent front and rear suspension, has even more see-saw ability than the FJ. It handles better on-road aswell.
tysonbear 3 years ago
Lol drive and fj, you will see how she handles...You will be surprised
eggworm 3 years ago
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i wouldn't be caught dead in either on of those ugly ass vehicles...
TDog4444 3 years ago
then don`t get in one
ZR2 3 years ago 10
thanks for the advice
TDog4444 3 years ago
that's the fucking ugliest thing i've ever seen
TDog4444 3 years ago
Subaru are uglier.
Wiishit23456withvids 3 years ago 3
i'm not going to argue with you on that. subaru's are incredibly ugly...
TDog4444 3 years ago
no the fj cruiser is the best car ever
korbland14 3 years ago 3
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huh?
we're talking about how fucking ugly the fj is....
TDog4444 3 years ago
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asdf444234 3 years ago
No jales!!!...acabo de compar hoy mi Toyota FJ Crusier 2008, y esta de huevos!!!!...
Antes habia tenido un Rubicon Jeep, pero la FJ Crusier, es LO MAXIMO!!!!....neta, si puedes adquirir una, te lo recomiendo.
Yo vivo en Los Cabos, y aqui existen unos trails de pelos...
Saludos!!!
frankyboy44 3 years ago
TOYOTA GOOD
xodbaw21 3 years ago 2
Por eso siempre digo toyota es toyota y jeep bueee, si quiero una carro de jugete me voy a Mc' Donals y pido una cajita feliz. y les dejo un dicho muy cierto en el mundo toyota:
"Prefiero empujar mi toyota land cruiser, a ser empujado por un jeep"
mijox 3 years ago
No jales!!!...acabo de compar hoy mi Toyota FJ Crusier 2008, y esta de huevos!!!!...
Antes habia tenido un Rubicon Jeep, pero la FJ Crusier, es LO MAXIMO!!!!....neta, si puedes adquirir una, te lo recomiendo.
Yo vivo en Los Cabos, y aqui existen unos trails de pelos...
Saludos!!!
frankyboy44 3 years ago
not bad!!! 5 stars
gercog88 3 years ago
thats why you get the fj swap the front ifs with a sfa and bam you got an offroad machine who takes a stock car rock crawling anyways?
rainman1210 4 years ago
me! I admit I installed JKS Quicker Discos first. But I did it and the Jeep did just grand! I had some severely scuffed fender flares, but some 3m scrubbing pads and Krylon Fusion made it look new again!
vipervnm 3 years ago
Would be barfing with all that movement...ugh.
CommentsOnly1355 4 years ago
The point i was trying to make, is that a stock loaded 2008 FJ can go anywhere a stock loaded 2008 JK can with, as long as both have good drivers and the right tires. Reliability is more important than capability in off roading, and thats why Toyota is used in other countries. However I am not trying to say Jeeps cant offroad, especially the built up ones. Personally I'd rather have the more reliable vehicle in the middle of nowhere.
pman9003 4 years ago
If you bought the Rubicon edition JK the FJ likely wouldn't be able to get as many places.
But only looking at standard editions, YES, both can get anywhere the other can. Although JK might not be as tipy on this contrived course the FJ would still make it.
Don't mix up reliability that Consumer Reports gives you with durability that gets you home from a weekend of abuse. Jeep has been building durable vehicles for decades and if forced to make a choice I'd count on the JK to get me home.
titanUT7 4 years ago
Reliability? What are you talking about? One of my Jeeps is a '97 with 130k and the other is a '00 with 106k. They are absolute babies compared to the other Jeeps in my club. The 4.0 has a reputation for easily attaining the quarter million mile mark. You guys are all drinking the Toyota quality kool-aid. Enjoy it!
vipervnm 3 years ago
i have an 85 fj60 with 385k miles with no rebuild, on the 4.2 inline, and my uncle has a 73 fj40 with 422k miles, and neither have been rebuilt. we had a 1990 jeep wranger, we had to place to carb twice, and the head before it even hit 100k miles. we also had a 1965 cj5 with a chevy 350 in it that i miss dearly, but jeeps are good trucks, so are the toyota.s
TehSavOne 3 years ago
1992 Cherokee 4.0 with 320k, no rebuild, just normal maintenance, 5.5" lift 34" MT Baja, amongst other things, rolled it in Moab and it still ticks away without hesitation. People fail to remember that the Land Cruise/FJ wouldn't exist had it not been for Jeep, and Toyota wouldn't be where it is today due to that. Likewise goes for Land Rover. They're all good vehicles but don't criticize your roots O_o
cairnsguy22 3 years ago
Dude? Really!? Daimler Chrysler has always been in the shadow of Toyota. If it wasn't for WWII Jeep would be nonexistent. I agree about Land Rover, its an over priced soccer mom mobile just like the H2. The FJ meets every requirement anyone can ask for and doesn't cost 40. And about your cherokee, just remember it only "ticks" through the competition when the Fj roars.
reddirtjon 3 years ago
I'd like to see any FJ against my XJ so I can point and laugh. You're one of those Toyota Fanboys that cries "Toyota is better than everything" only out of mere opinion. Pull your head out of your rear and read into your history a bit. Chrysler had nothing to do WITH Jeep during WWII, and the I6 4.0 is perhaps the only good thing to ever have the Chrysler badge accredited to it. As I said, the Toyota is a hell of a contender, but bottom line is, FJ wouldn't exist if Willy's didn't. Some brown?
cairnsguy22 3 years ago
Your right the Jeep was the beginning of off road vehicles and a line of tuff ass vehicles to come but you have to face the facts that it is history, there is no way Toyota or any auto maker should give credit to someone else for there own engineering. The only way I can say FJ is better than Jeep is that I have owned both. And you saying that there would not be any off road vehicles if it were not for Jeep is YOUR "opinion."
reddirtjon 3 years ago
I didn't say that, please show me where at any point that's what I said or even implied. I merely stated that Toyota would have never made the Land Cruiser (original FJ) had it not been for the influence of the Jeep, which is a fact even stated by the people in charge of launching the original FJ. The US had Toyota manufacture Jeeps for the Korean War which eventually was the building block for the original Land Cruiser. So sorry to say, but that's HISTORY'S "opinion." I rest my case.
cairnsguy22 3 years ago
im a lil late in reading this comment but i agree and totally disagree with you. yes its true toyota probably came up with the original fj cos of jeep but then saying that toyota should be thankful to the original jeep is a load of crap!! they proved that those vehicles had good performance and were reliable!!!and im not a toyota fanboy!! i don like them much cos everyone who drives them are morons!!comin from where i live that is!!they just keep tail gating!!!nd i hate that..
coom1986 3 years ago
I never said toyota should be thankful to Jeep, but Toyota built the first Willy's Jeeps for the Korean war, aside from the original "Ford" Jeeps, which spurred their idea as they were contracted out by the US Govt. They shouldn't be thankful but these morons that say Jeeps are crap and the FJ's aren't are talking out of their asses. That's my point. A side note, my girlfriend drives a Land Cruiser and we go trail riding in pairs all the time. So I know it's not a shitbox.
cairnsguy22 3 years ago
why cant jeep and landcruiser people love one another and see the cars for there good points and bad points. because in the end there is no perfection in any vehicle. and dont make outragouse claims that jeeps are reliable because every body else knows they arent. i have a landcruiser and two land rovers and love them both.
landluver88 3 years ago
How do you say "love one another" and then bash Jeeps two seconds later. You're just another moron. Can't you feel the love? 135k on the '97 TJ now and 112k on the '00. Oh yeah, they're both daily drivers that get the crap beat out of them on the weekends in the mud bogs of the pine barrens and the rocks at Rausch Creek. But you're right, if only they were reliable...ignorant fool.
vipervnm 3 years ago
jeeps are not as reliable as a land cruiser and its not, and its not as reliable as any toyota vehicle. the landcruise is a daily driver and i am just now replacing the original muffler at 200k miles. all im saying is that jeeps have theyre downfalls too just like every other vehicle, i dont hate jeeps i hate the jeep owners that talk shit about every other offroad vehicle thats not a jeep.
landluver88 3 years ago
stating a fact isn't really really "bashing",ive looked through relibilty reports,and most jeeps have bad relibilty(even the wrangler)
rangerover06sc 3 years ago
Reports don't mean crap. Who's reports? Consumer Reports? I guess all of us who KNOW the 4.0 is a great reliable engine through hundreds of thousands of miles of ownership and not web speculation are secretly dumping thousands of dollars into repairing them and then denying it. Yeah, that scenario is certainly plausible. The only things I've done are changed the oil, spark plugs, cap, rotor, belts, and the starter at 125k ($55). The water pump & alternator will likely need attention soon.
vipervnm 3 years ago 2
true but alot of jeeps arn't that lucky
rangerover06sc 3 years ago
i have an fjc but b/c i live in the states...if i lived in africa i would have a sfa landcruiser b/c they are more durable so jeep enthusiasts comments are right.
however my fj is used for trails alike as my wrangler and if i had to choose to have only one it would be my fj b/c the wrangler to me is a toy for weekends only and i would not have my wife drive that with my kids in it on the street, but for sure the rubicon is more capable and the fj is a good COMPROMISE except in the desert =)
krnnerdboi 4 years ago
well done, it was kind of scary but really nice,
KurdishwarriorSS 4 years ago
you are gana flip over you stupid and then you are gana be cring for the truck
jwjdk 4 years ago
Stock Wrangler to Stock FJ, the Wrangler will have the upperhand in the rocks due its solid axles. However, the difference is, the FJ has suspension used in other countries were offroading is not a fun thing to do on the weekend...its life or death in the desert or wherever. Thats why you predominantly see jeeps here and not in the middle east, africa, or Australia.
pman9003 4 years ago
You don't see Jeeps in those parts of the world due to availability, not consumer selection. When there are no tariffs, embargoes, or anything else Jeeps are very popular. Life or death in the desert has no relationship to the suspension configuration, it's all about the suspension implementation. You can have smooth solid suspension and bumpy independent.
The primary advantage of the FJ suspension is it provides a more car like ride which 99% of SUV buyers want.
titanUT7 4 years ago
Incorrect you are. You don't see Jeeps abroad because foreigners aren't brainwashed into thinking that they MUST buy American or else. In the middle of the Sahara you need the best vehicle, that's Toyota.
As far as the suspension goes, the IFS/solid rear on the FJ is the best off-road suspension combo for all application save extreme rock crawling, even then it's still capable. The FJ was built to be able to crawl, do expeditions, drive on the street, and race the Baja 1000.
verasforzza 4 years ago
Completely wrong. Jeep's popularity is from its merits, not the country that owns it (it was German until months ago).
IFS w/ solid rear is like street racing tires in the front with tractor tires in the rear. You get the worst of both; low static ground clearance in the rear & poor articulation and traction in the front.
If it weren't for full size pick up sales in the US Toyota would be #1. Yet the Jeep Cherokee (Solid F/R) is the choice for stock desert racing (JeepSpeed), not a Toyota.
titanUT7 4 years ago
here in venezuela jeep suks and the toyotas are the kings of the road! checkout te "fun race" videos and watch real off road.
Mausarc 4 years ago
Are you saying if you bought a Jeep and the FJ in Venezuela would and drove it over the same course it would behave differently than this video demonstrates??
Oh yeah, Jeep is American again and the Venezuelan dictator hates the US if you live there you only get anti-american jealously propaganda.
Something tells me if Jeep and Toyota completely switched the vehicles they were selling the American company would still suk while the non-American company would be king of the road in Venezuela.
titanUT7 4 years ago
you are sooo sooo stupid... I hate chavez and y like usa... but toyota its better than jeeps...
Mausarc 3 years ago
Regardless of which countries and leaders you like or which brand manufactures a particular vehicle physics don't change. If you have to resort to insults because you have no facts to back up your argument because it is totally incorrect then you shouldn't bother posting. The bottom line is a Jeep Rubicon Wrangler will be able to take you places that Toyota's best offroad vehicles can't get to. It's just a fact, please stop being offended by it.
titanUT7 3 years ago
Its a Toyota guys.... there is NO substitute for reliability. Go to the middle of nowhere in Australia or anywhere like what pman9003 was saying and 85% or more will be Toyotas not jeeps.
mhslacrosse69 3 years ago 3
That's how wetbacks test toyotas along the border!!
IRONBULL777 4 years ago
lmao
RanchoCoral 4 years ago
ahhh,stupid toyota,you can do that even with a go-kart
joe380 4 years ago
its apples to oranges here. the FJ **IS NOT** designed as a rock crawler. its an expidetion style rig. it is capable as a rock crawler but there is FAR more to offroading that rocks.
decoy8812 4 years ago 3
an older toy with the SFA would have done better
8nyne 4 years ago
There is an area I will agree with you on. The older SFA Yotas and 4runners do great. When they went to IFS, they effectivly started producing mall crawlers.
jeepasaurusrex 4 years ago
LOL i broke my fj first time out, dealer was kind enough to return my wrangler and only keep 5 grand for the trouble. Stay far away from toyota right now.
CRDLIBERTY 4 years ago 2
REASONS 4 & 5 WHY THE RUBICON > FJ CRUISER
4) Ground Clearance
The Rubicon (10.2") has improved clearance over the 4WD FJ (9.6)
5) Approach / Departure / Breakover Angles
The Rubicon (41/37/22) exceeds the FJ (34/30/unknown) here as well
6) Turning Radius
The Rubicon's short wheelbase offers a significantly more agile platform (34.9" radius) than the FJ (42" radius) thanks to the FJ's 10" longer wheelbase & 20" longer overall length.
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
oh come on... Jeep makes the best 4x4 hands down. They're made for it. the Rubicon is the All-star of Jeeps. You can't compare the FJ to a Jeep Rubicon.
schoms15 4 years ago
REASON 2 & 3 WHY THE RUBICON > FJ CRUISER
2) Dual Lockers vs Single Rear Locker
Rubicon has much better traction in situations that call for lockers.
3) Improved Crawl Rate
Rubicon (4:1) has lower gearing in the TCase than the FJ (2.56:1) as well as in the axles (3.7:1 or 3.9:1 vs 4.11:1)
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
see above comment
schoms15 4 years ago
REASON 1 WHY THE RUBICON > FJ CRUISER
1) Sollid Front Axle vs IFS
Rubicon has significantly more flex and can be lifted higher for less money if you so desired. I have read that the RTI score of a stock FJ is around 400 and the RTI of a stock Rubicon disco'd is over 800 (double the flex of a FJ).
This is to completely ignore the fact that a SFA is typically much more durable on the trail and significantly easier to field-repair if you do manage to break it.
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
A ramp is one thing, but real world wheeling is the true measure. That, is where it falls short.
jeepasaurusrex 4 years ago
nice yota but RUBICON would do it.
"GOLD RUBY"
problemsolver4u 4 years ago
Now lets see it do that with out lifting a tire.
Rubicon could do it.
jeepasaurusrex 4 years ago
how about no LOL Rubicon could NOT do that without lifting a tire. Common sense, man.
Justinfloogie 4 years ago
you are without a doubt a completely dumb mother fucker.
humprnr 4 years ago
-not justin, jeepasuarus is the dumb mother fucker.
humprnr 4 years ago
Looks like someone has articulation envy!
jeepasaurusrex 4 years ago
riiiiiiight. that's exactly it jeep boy.
evilet1111 4 years ago
Your just mad that toyota actually built something that can rival a wrangler and has a better build quality.
pman9003 4 years ago
Rival? LMAO
After all the plastic was ripped from the FJ, what would be left at the end of the trail?
jeepasaurusrex 4 years ago
wow, nice guess . . . lots of people now and days hating on asian car companies that viuld cars just as capable as American cars
TESL4T4NK 4 years ago
Surely you're kidding.
1) By build quality are you referring to the body-cracking issue that is prevalent with any FJ Cruiser that rides on rough terrain? It's a great build when the body won't even stay together :)
2) The Rubicon would have idled through that set of ramps without a tire ever leaving the ground, let alone teetering on the brink of flopping.
Are you seriously trying to compare the FJ to the Rubicon?
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
The Rubicon would have done the same.... i mean the tires leaving the ground... I did that with similar ramp in 2007 wrangler.
Do you have an idea how many Wrangler posible customers have bought a Toyota?, a very large number.... ... my suggestion is that if you miles are 50%-50% off road/ highway go for the wrangler.... otherwise the FJ is a better decision.... I guess 95% of us never go off road more than once or twice a month.
QuadcamV6 4 years ago
with the swaybar connected, yes the Rubi would lift.. with the swaybar disconnected, I am sorry but you are incorrect. They have a similar track setup out here at the local 4Wheel Parts. Attempting to imply that a IFS vehicle has comparable flex to a SFA vehicle is absurd.
Regarding the which vehicle is best. Certainly the FJ has better road manners but can you drop the top or take the doors off the FJ? In warmer climates the TJ/JK is the easy choice for that reason alone :)
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
the swaybar will help with some inches... not feet.... i would love to see a wrangler video in that ramp...of course a SFA vehicle is better than a IFS.... but that is true 1% of the time when you are climbing rocks..you are right on the top and doors on the FJ... you cannot remove them.. but if you want to do that you buy a TJ/JK ..they are perfect for that.. I beleive the FJ is just a more complete vehicle....but that is just my opinion..
QuadcamV6 4 years ago
1% of the time when you are climing on rocks? I guess we're catering to the mall-crawler community here on youtube where driving down a well used dirt road is a "off road experience"? :)
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
1% is too much!...I did not say off roading, I said rock climbing which is te most demanding off road type. If I have driven 5,000 miles in my FJ 1% is 50 miles....50 miles rock climbing is 20 hours... remember you are driving let say 2 or 3 miles an hour
General Off road where you need 4x4 low that I have driven maybe 100 hours... ( in three months )
QuadcamV6 4 years ago
1% may be too much for you but the fact is that when I take my wrangler offroad it's about 90% rock crawling on class 3 and 4 trails at superlift ORV park because that is the type of off roading that I think is the most challenging. I would love to see a FJ Cruiser trying to run "Can Opener" or "Gregs Rocks". It would never make it. :)
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
A stock FJ or Wrangler cannot do many things... I have a friend that can´t use his 2005 rubicon for difficult rock crawling because he refuses to modify anything, he wants a stock Wrangler and I want the same for my FJ.
QuadcamV6 4 years ago
Actually during R&D testing, stock FJ's (with street tires) were taken on all of the most challenging trails across America and passed with flying colors. A stock FJ can ascent Hell's Gate with ease, and several FJ's kicked ass in the Baja 1000 (including a 2nd place by only 30 seconds). People need to do their homework before they open their mouths and stop being jealous towards the new top-dog of the 4x4 world.
verasforzza 4 years ago
im commenting about you saying the fj is better on the road than a jk. i read an artical in four wheel drive magazine that reported that its worse onroad as the fj. and the kia sofia was better than the fj offroad. where are all the kia sofia offroad vids at? hehe. soon there will be plenty of fj ifs parts lining the trails. i bet thats an easy fix. keep the knowledge alive
smileynirvana2 2 years ago
Cool!! I have a yellow one just like it too. And it is a wonderful vehicle. Funny how the jeep and hummer folks always bitch and moan about what a lousy vehicle the FJ is...yet they sit and watch the FJ videos.
BitchinFJDriver 4 years ago
Its fun to watch the wannabe's
jeepasaurusrex 4 years ago
man .. i have an FJ .. yellow like this one in the video .. trust me .. it surprizes u .. it exceeds expectations .. its an amazing car
shangoob 4 years ago
is sure is a great CAR. haha. you said it, buddy.
vipervnm 3 years ago 3
damn. didn't know it could do that. Love it.
evilet1111 4 years ago
i wouldnt say they got the best flex but damn, you have a hard time getting them stuck i tell ya
Ducks101fan 4 years ago
im osrry but thats exactly what you dont want your vehicle to do under similar conditions, that lack of flex and all that tilting is what causes dangerouse flips and bad injuries. my 97 Tj had so much more flex before the lift.
o0Jeep0o 4 years ago
Thats what its all about, Watch this Jeep fans, COMPLETE
LY STOCK
carlosboone 4 years ago
Whatch WHAT? A vehicle with so little flex it nearly flops every time it drives over a 1.5 foot bump? Seriously? lol YEAH THIS TRUCK IS AWESOME! Funny how I never see an FJ on class 3 thru 5 trails at superlift park : 3w's (dot) orvpark (dot) com
grafalloyguy 4 years ago
xellent, if you havent flexed it like that in the hills, there's a great example what FJ can do completely stock,! great vid
koldfuse 4 years ago