People show to much concern about where the jews come from, In México they came from Spain, they were Jews Shepard, and I know for sure that they came here during the Inquisition persecusion, and one of the important cities they settled down was Monterrey, in northest México, I ´ve lived in Vistahermosa Colony it´s an area they settled down long ago, there´s the main Rabine Mosses Kaiman, many of them are living there, so I think you better enjoy the music, that has many beautiful influences
Jews settled south Mediterranean Sea since year 500 BC, there are lots of evidence but not in Spain but in Calabria, south Italy. Even Azhkenazi is a mytological character who has an statue in Cosenza. Most calabrese people are cryptojews
most sephardic music is a arcaic portuguese and sopanish how come sephardic as nothing to do ith spanish, sepharad means spain... jews of spain, not morocco, but spain... many words and phrases are in what i call portuguese i can understand them and follow them
Somehow the Jewish middle eastern music has gotten infused through time this has a Spanish element to it not just Middle Eastern if you listen to some Mexican or Texas music it has a similar beat and sound. Like my dad used to say we come from the same root.
Just for the sake of the discussion below: you said that they don't have much to do with Spain, still Sepharad means Spain (or actually Iberia, which is Spain + Portugal, if I'm not mistaken) - if ladino has such weak influences from old Spanish, how come that both a Spaniard and a Portuguese person can understand it, particularly in its written form? I'm only asking because I do not know. Cheers!
People confuse this type of music with "Spanish" Jews. This music has nothing to do with "Spanish". Just a flashback to all people of some history. About 800 yrs ago, 97% of Jews lived in Middle East and N Africa. During the Moorish rule in southern Spain, Jews migrated to Spain and took with them middle eastern music and culture. In 1492, when Jews were forced out of Spain, the Jews resettled back in middle east and N Africa.
SO, NOTHING IS SPANISH HERE. ITS MIDDLE EASTERN OR MIZRAHI.
@ForgottenEasternJews Actually Jewish communities existed throughout Spain since Roman times, and after their expulsion many settled in North Africa, joining already established and ancient Jewish communities in addition to many Berber tribes who converted to Judaism and were absorbed into the Jewish community. So their culture is a rich amalgam of Jewish, Berber, Arab and Spanish. You can't reduce all that richness to one or the other
@mazoona Agree that Jewish communities existed during the roman times. There were Jewish communities even in other parts of Europe dating back to Roman times. But my point is, the Sephardic Jews flourished mainly during the Moorish rule of Spain starting in 8th century until 13th century. It is commonly referred to as "Golden Age" for Jews. Before this Jews did exist in Spain and its estimated to be 80,000 Jews before the Moorish conquest.
@mazoona And if you look at the Spanish music, it's not even close to Sephardic jewish Music. Sephardic music is much much closely related to Middle eastern music and instruments.
@ForgottenEasternJews Yes but don't forget that although sephardic music might not "sound" Spanish, they carried with them their Ladino language wherever they went. So I'm not sure I'd ignore the Spanish component all together.
@mazoona Ladino is almost an extinct language. Ladino is a mix of Spanish, Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic. So, its got more of a Semitic touch than a Spanish touch. And the remaining few thousand jews in Spain now mostly speak Spanish. Just like the Jews in US and Europe, they too are assimilating genetically and culturally in the society. Sadly
@ForgottenEasternJews Actually the core of Ladino is largely old Castilian with influences from Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic and other languages like Turkish, Greek or Slavic languages depending on where the Sephardi community resided
@mazoona agree that ladino started with the Castilian Spanish language. But it was heavily influenced by Hebrew, arabic and aramaic. Every other word in Ladino is either Hebrew or aramaic. Approximately 60% of the original language is Castillian and rest is Hebrew, aramaic and others. If it was mainly Castillian (say 90-95%) then it would be called Castillian rather than Ladino. Right? Later, after the expulsion from Spain, Castillian grammar reduced which was replaced by Greek, Turkish etc.
@ForgottenEasternJews False. If its was so I wouldn't understand it as I do. Ladino is a peculiar dialect of Castilian and resembles medieval or early renaissance Castilian. It is very close to what we read in the Mio Cid. Sorry, but your nationalism interferes with philology.
@ForgottenEasternJews False. There are records of pre-Spanish (and therefore pre-islamic) music in Southern Iberian since the Romans. Scholars agree that this music is a blend with its own personality; the sharing of some elements with Middle Eastern music is evident while the origin is not that clear always. Islamic culture surpasses Arabic and Middle Eastern as the brightest people in them were Persian and Andalusian. Arabic numbers are Indian. Islamic philosophy Greek.
my friend an what u think that in this time was de music an lenguace from Andalusiya ? Morikyh are a mix of berber an arab people from Yemen Iraq Surya etc etc an berbers from Morocco.
@WipeTheNazis It is just a suggestion. There is no evidence of Jewish settlement during those times. They found some old Phoenician artifacts with Semitic writings. Its believed that the phoenicians traded there. There is no evidence of Israelite settlement until after the Roman destruction 2000 yrs ago. Also, the Jewish population was small until the mass migration from N Africa during the Golden era in the middle ages.
@sepharadflorida Some believe that Tarshish mentioned in the bible is present day Spain. But it is not certain. Even if it was Spain, there is no settlement evidence prior to the expulsion 2000 yrs ago. It could have been just the trade. Also, after the destruction of the second temple the Jewish population in Spain were about 50,000 to 80,000. The population increased significantly during later centuries due to migrations from N Africa. That's a historical fact. Check it out.
the second song sounds so much like the seguiriyas of the andalusian gitanos
OleLaZeta 1 month ago
@OleLaZeta tienes mucha razon!!
22LoveAngel 1 month ago
@OleLaZeta asi es!! La Raza mia !GITANOS!
22LoveAngel 1 month ago
oleee
OleLaZeta 1 month ago
Esta musica como que une el cuerpo con tu ser y te transporta hacia las dimensiones que tu realmente deseas
TheAngelmaestro 2 months ago
People show to much concern about where the jews come from, In México they came from Spain, they were Jews Shepard, and I know for sure that they came here during the Inquisition persecusion, and one of the important cities they settled down was Monterrey, in northest México, I ´ve lived in Vistahermosa Colony it´s an area they settled down long ago, there´s the main Rabine Mosses Kaiman, many of them are living there, so I think you better enjoy the music, that has many beautiful influences
LupitaSC05 2 months ago
Se parece a Homerito y a Rafitas, en ese orden, así que ya me gané mis torrejas, verdad que si,
LupitaSC05 2 months ago
The music sounds very spanish!
cantodelcavallero 3 months ago
Thank you very much !
whenmyguitar 3 months ago
Jews settled south Mediterranean Sea since year 500 BC, there are lots of evidence but not in Spain but in Calabria, south Italy. Even Azhkenazi is a mytological character who has an statue in Cosenza. Most calabrese people are cryptojews
Zhoram 3 months ago
most sephardic music is a arcaic portuguese and sopanish how come sephardic as nothing to do ith spanish, sepharad means spain... jews of spain, not morocco, but spain... many words and phrases are in what i call portuguese i can understand them and follow them
ukusapillage 3 months ago
ahora hay algo en español xD and it is sefardi and askenasi
e1g0nz41i70 3 months ago
Somehow the Jewish middle eastern music has gotten infused through time this has a Spanish element to it not just Middle Eastern if you listen to some Mexican or Texas music it has a similar beat and sound. Like my dad used to say we come from the same root.
grgabby 8 months ago
Just for the sake of the discussion below: you said that they don't have much to do with Spain, still Sepharad means Spain (or actually Iberia, which is Spain + Portugal, if I'm not mistaken) - if ladino has such weak influences from old Spanish, how come that both a Spaniard and a Portuguese person can understand it, particularly in its written form? I'm only asking because I do not know. Cheers!
albagaedra 9 months ago
Too beautiful...what are the words?...or the name of this song?...Thank you
TerraTraditions 11 months ago
Too beautiful...what are the words?...or the name of this song?...thank you
TerraTraditions 11 months ago
People confuse this type of music with "Spanish" Jews. This music has nothing to do with "Spanish". Just a flashback to all people of some history. About 800 yrs ago, 97% of Jews lived in Middle East and N Africa. During the Moorish rule in southern Spain, Jews migrated to Spain and took with them middle eastern music and culture. In 1492, when Jews were forced out of Spain, the Jews resettled back in middle east and N Africa.
SO, NOTHING IS SPANISH HERE. ITS MIDDLE EASTERN OR MIZRAHI.
ForgottenEasternJews 11 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews Actually Jewish communities existed throughout Spain since Roman times, and after their expulsion many settled in North Africa, joining already established and ancient Jewish communities in addition to many Berber tribes who converted to Judaism and were absorbed into the Jewish community. So their culture is a rich amalgam of Jewish, Berber, Arab and Spanish. You can't reduce all that richness to one or the other
mazoona 10 months ago
@mazoona Agree that Jewish communities existed during the roman times. There were Jewish communities even in other parts of Europe dating back to Roman times. But my point is, the Sephardic Jews flourished mainly during the Moorish rule of Spain starting in 8th century until 13th century. It is commonly referred to as "Golden Age" for Jews. Before this Jews did exist in Spain and its estimated to be 80,000 Jews before the Moorish conquest.
ForgottenEasternJews 10 months ago
@mazoona And if you look at the Spanish music, it's not even close to Sephardic jewish Music. Sephardic music is much much closely related to Middle eastern music and instruments.
ForgottenEasternJews 10 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews Yes but don't forget that although sephardic music might not "sound" Spanish, they carried with them their Ladino language wherever they went. So I'm not sure I'd ignore the Spanish component all together.
mazoona 10 months ago
@mazoona Ladino is almost an extinct language. Ladino is a mix of Spanish, Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic. So, its got more of a Semitic touch than a Spanish touch. And the remaining few thousand jews in Spain now mostly speak Spanish. Just like the Jews in US and Europe, they too are assimilating genetically and culturally in the society. Sadly
ForgottenEasternJews 10 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews Actually the core of Ladino is largely old Castilian with influences from Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic and other languages like Turkish, Greek or Slavic languages depending on where the Sephardi community resided
mazoona 10 months ago
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mazoona 10 months ago
@mazoona agree that ladino started with the Castilian Spanish language. But it was heavily influenced by Hebrew, arabic and aramaic. Every other word in Ladino is either Hebrew or aramaic. Approximately 60% of the original language is Castillian and rest is Hebrew, aramaic and others. If it was mainly Castillian (say 90-95%) then it would be called Castillian rather than Ladino. Right? Later, after the expulsion from Spain, Castillian grammar reduced which was replaced by Greek, Turkish etc.
ForgottenEasternJews 10 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews False. If its was so I wouldn't understand it as I do. Ladino is a peculiar dialect of Castilian and resembles medieval or early renaissance Castilian. It is very close to what we read in the Mio Cid. Sorry, but your nationalism interferes with philology.
02524630N 6 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews False. There are records of pre-Spanish (and therefore pre-islamic) music in Southern Iberian since the Romans. Scholars agree that this music is a blend with its own personality; the sharing of some elements with Middle Eastern music is evident while the origin is not that clear always. Islamic culture surpasses Arabic and Middle Eastern as the brightest people in them were Persian and Andalusian. Arabic numbers are Indian. Islamic philosophy Greek.
02524630N 6 months ago
my friend an what u think that in this time was de music an lenguace from Andalusiya ? Morikyh are a mix of berber an arab people from Yemen Iraq Surya etc etc an berbers from Morocco.
marwanhussein1 4 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews
Read history
the jews settled in iberia from the 1st temple
WipeTheNazis 4 months ago
@WipeTheNazis It is just a suggestion. There is no evidence of Jewish settlement during those times. They found some old Phoenician artifacts with Semitic writings. Its believed that the phoenicians traded there. There is no evidence of Israelite settlement until after the Roman destruction 2000 yrs ago. Also, the Jewish population was small until the mass migration from N Africa during the Golden era in the middle ages.
ForgottenEasternJews 4 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews
on the contrary, is a bast historical evidence that Israelites in the times of Salomon travel to the iberian peninsula.
source: Sefarad: los judíos de España By María Antonia Bel Bravo
You can read the preview of this book in Google books.
You will be amaze by the amount of evidence and historical proof.
sepharadflorida 4 months ago
@sepharadflorida Some believe that Tarshish mentioned in the bible is present day Spain. But it is not certain. Even if it was Spain, there is no settlement evidence prior to the expulsion 2000 yrs ago. It could have been just the trade. Also, after the destruction of the second temple the Jewish population in Spain were about 50,000 to 80,000. The population increased significantly during later centuries due to migrations from N Africa. That's a historical fact. Check it out.
ForgottenEasternJews 4 months ago
What are the lyrics? I 'd love to know what he was saying.
EbonyNewsChannel 1 year ago
super musique et voix
sherpah 1 year ago
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God bless Moroccan-Jewish everywhere :)
xvzw 1 year ago
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this song is called : SOULTANOU RABII in mode of SIKAH
univers13000 1 year ago
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univers13000 1 year ago
Batuj Hashem
tanicontrera 1 year ago
Beautiful Music ! ! !
electricoxxx 1 year ago
Hey, what is the name of this song and is this the same guy that sung in the "sephardic prayers" video?
Mizrakh1 1 year ago
beautiful music!
nicomateo23 1 year ago
this ismy heritage! go morrocan jews and sephardim!
queeneggplant 1 year ago 7
Awesome! Homeboy tore it up! Woo!
AbigayilNeshama 2 years ago
HALLELUJAH!
Kactus77kid 2 years ago
כל הכבוד, ספלונדיד
Herculum 2 years ago