Why are Animals Similar?

[CKtheFat]

I understand the guy's argument, but it doesn't do a thing to say evolution is is a worse model. Given the other evidence for evolution and lack of evidence for intelligent design, there's not really much sway here.

[PowerVine]

I have listened to this video again and I can't hear him say that evolution is a worse model. I can't even hear him mention evolution.

[ollonelycat]

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[DayfallKat]

So the argument made in this video is that God could not have made animals out out of different materials because then we could not eat them?

I can only suppose the argument continues with ... "and so God exists because we can eat meat."

[PowerVine]

You are over-simplifying the point. Animals must also be similar to humans because they eat many of the same foods we do and because they must live in the same environment we live in.

[DayfallKat]

No. They eat the same foods because they are similar. You are confusing cause and effect.

If we assume a god exists then animals must NOT be similar. The god could make animals eat what ever he felt like.

Assuming evolution, then yes, they must be similar relative to ancestry.

[PowerVine]

They eat the same foods because they live in the same environment (the earth) where those same foods exist. Humans and animals would not be able to live together if we did not breathe the same air, drink the same water, and eat the same foods.

[DayfallKat]

So a silicon based life form that ingests radioactive materials could not exist on earth? Could your god not create an animal that lives in molten lava?

Ok, you do know there are other environments? Why don't we see herds of animals roaming across Mars? Lunar roaches?

If your god created everything, then he has every opportunity to make different animals.

Why are animals similar? Because they evolved from a common ancestor.

[PowerVine]

What would be the reason for life forms to eat radioactive materials? Radioactive materials are rare and radioactivity is winding down. Grass and leaves are abundant and more are growing every day. What would be the point of living in molten Lava? On the other hand, God did create extremophiles like the Pompeii worm which lives in the extreme heat of hydrothermal ocean vents and radioresistant extremophiles which live in radioactive environments. Perhaps not all animals are similar after all.

[DayfallKat]

"radioactivity is winding down."

And? The Sun is winding down also.

"Grass and leaves are abundant and more are growing every day."

Yeah, and so would be the silicon lifeforms I mentioned. What is your point?

"What would be the point of living in molten Lava?"

That same point as breathing air I guess.

"Pompeii worm"

Still a worm. Still evolved.

[UltraSWG]

Chimps and Humans all have an endogenic retrovirus in our genomes in the exact same place. The odds of this happening by chance in non-ancestral animals about 1 in 3 billion. This is irrefutable evidence that apes and humans share a common ancestor. Unless you think God gave us both the exact same viral infection in the exact same location of our genomes?

[PowerVine]

Junk DNA in many cases turns out to have had a recent purpose that was essential to the animal. Francis Collins has a great treatment of this in his new book "The Language of God."

[UltraSWG]

I didn't say anything about Junk DNA. I am talking about the same endogenic retrovirus found in humans and chimp genomes. If you don't know the subject matter, go look it up so you can come up with a decent response.

[UltraSWG]

The same retroviral DNA sequences appear in the same relative places in the DNA of both human beings and primates. There isn't the faintest probability that such sequences could have been inserted on two separate occasions by two of the same species of retroviruses and wound up in the same relative places of the DNA of both man and primates. So, man and primates evolved from the same distant DNA stock into which a retrovirus inserted its DNA long ago, or, the Designer is pulling a con game.

[UltraSWG]

Ape Chromosomes 2a and 2b were fused to create Human Chromosome 2. The evidence in our Genome is clear, this is fact. Why would an Intelligent Designer make it look like we were "created" from parts of an ape?

[PowerVine]

The original purpose of a genome characteristic is not always obvious. Originally genome characteristics may have had a different purpose than what they have today. The theories of how the human genome has been produced depend upon the assumptions you make about what the original genome was and how it has changed.

[UltraSWG]

This is not about genomes, this is about chromosomes. If this isn't your topic of study, just say so. The analogous chromosomes (2p and 2q) in the non-human great apes can be shown, when laid end to end, to create an identical banding structure to the human chromosome 2.

[UltraSWG]

The remains of the sequence that the chromosome has on its ends (the telomere) is found in the middle of human chromosome 2 where the ancestral chromosomes fused

[UltraSWG]

the detail of this region (pre-telomeric sequence, telomeric sequence, reversed telomeric sequence, pre-telomeric sequence) is exactly what we would expect from a fusion

[UltraSWG]

this telomeric region is exactly where one would expect to find it if a fusion had occurred in the middle of human chromosome. the centromere of human chromosome 2 lines up with the chimp chromosome 2p chromosomal centromere.

[UltraSWG]

At the place where we would expect it on the human chromosome we find the remnants of the chimp 2q centromere. Not only is this strong evidence for a fusion event, but it is also strong evidence for common ancestry; in fact, it is hard to explain by any other mechanism.