Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 1st Movement Previn Part 2

[silverdalesapphires]

I reckon Mozart would have smiled at the ;jazzy' cadenza..........it certainly sounds improvised.....if bordering on Liszt at one point! lol!

[rematpac]

He added 4 measures of 16th note arpeggio's of his own at the climax before the cadenza that weren't written by Mozart.I like Mozart's original version using just 4 dotted half notes making the climax so subtle yet still powerful allowing the chord progression alone achieve the effect.But I also like the idea of the performer being able to improvise which was still common right up until Beethoven demanded his works played perfectly except when he performed them .Then he would improvise whenever

[devilxhlywood]

Beethoven, "i could never surpass this".

youtube musical genius, "this is not that great".

[Monkore33]

I know it's incredibly ill mannered to clap in between movements... but man it's SO hard to hold applause after such an amazing performance. I would have to go to this concert with my hands tied to keep from clapping after the first movement. Simply amazing.

[rematpac]

Fact:only 1 person signed up for Mozart's subscription concert with both the c and d minor concertos,probably the 1 person was someone who helped organize it,so in other words no one did.Whether it was the fault of the audience of Vienna's fickle tastes or the success of Mozart's jealous enemies doesn't change history.Since Mozart was a pianist,his 2 greatest compositions were the piano concerto in d minor and this one ,while not being as famous was actually the greater of the 2.This IS history

[Framedmact]

classical and jazz are my two favorite musical genres, that is only significant because I am only twelve years old. I love how mozart is able to express himself and accomplish such a..... uniqueness. I listen to thelonious monk and john coltrane for the same reason.

[violin614]

Why does he make conducting movements with his hands, (or even just one available hand), at every possible opportunity? When he can't, then he anyway does nothing.

[henripche]

Interesting that one would say that Beethoven's concertos are more varied than Mozart: I always found the opposite to be the case. Beethoven's concertos seem always to end with a similarly styled rondo. Also, the middle movements of the first 3 look alike in my experience, and while those of the last two are absolutely beautiful, they both work towards a dissonant climax after which nothing happens that can rival it. His first movements were superb however (though I simply like Mozart better).

[Marco3000polo]

MimasS56. The 24th Concerto is scarcely a minor masterpiece! In fact many people, myself included, consider it along with k488 to represent the pinnacle of Mozart's achievements in concerto or indeed in any genre.

[MimasS56]

I love the Royal Philharmonic's majestic sound, which scarcely plays Mozart's Minor Masterpieces!! The 20th is more dramatic, but the 24th is full orchestrated and I think the only one which closes with the soloist accompying the orchestra

[Marco3000polo]

@MimasS56 Minor Masterpiece??? !$#%@ Many people, myself included, think this along with k488, to be the pinnacle of Mozart's achievements not just in concerto form but in all genres. It has far more cohesiveness, passion, maturity and subtlety than the 20th.

[Mozartmostly]

@MimasS56 Doesnt the 3rd movement of the 20th close out with piano accompying the orchestra?

[Avalon041167]

The master at work.  Excellant

[lucancherby]

That timpani roll at the end of this movement has a very dramatic effect. What a wonderful piece of music this is.

[Qumak13]

If you're a fan of the 24th piano concerto, try also the recording made by Piotr Anderszewski (piano/cond.) with Sinfonia Varsovia, Virgin Classics, 2002

[elcid22]

God Bless André Previn!

[pmanzh]

I wouldn't go all to crazy about this one: It's heavy and doesn't flow right between 4:30 and 4:50...

Cheers,

P

[yukyo85]

Amazing performance! My heart was crazy when he was playing near end of the cadenza at 5:30

[luftnan]

What a great interpretation! It´s the first pianist that don´t looks stupidly arrogant.

[sylvainer]

je viens de découvrir cette version que je trouve extraordinaire...

la cadence est un arrangement de celle de J.N.Hummel !

[Sim882]

I think this is the last Mozart concerto I'm going to listen to.

It's fine, it just doesn't rival the great concerto's from Beethoven 3 (such as Beethoven 3-5; Brahms 2, Tchaikovsky 1, Rach 2-3, Schumann 1 and others). There are too many emotionless "elegant" passages which convey little emotionally.

Mozart 20 is the only one that really matches the later masterpieces.

[Qumak13]

Sim882, I guess you must be a very young man to make a statement like this. I used to say similar stuff when I was around 19-20 until I heard the slow movement of the 23rd and later the 20th (also my favourite). If you cannot hear the drama and emotional fervour behind the 24th then ... wait a few more years and come back to it again. It'll surely pay off.

[Sim882]

I do like this don't get me wrong, its just there is a sameness, an excessive use of scales to pad melodies, and a formula to mozart concertos.

In contrast, beethoven's 3-5 concerts are all very different.

I mean the 24th is great, but from someone who first listened to later masterpieces like Brahms 2 first, it seems less impressive. Perhaps if I started with Mozart I would be more impressed.

The 20th (1st movement) is amazing however, as is the G minor symphony.

[2009xellos]

Sim882,

I admire Beethoven, I think you do also, but why does Mozart have to be belittled because of that?

"For Beethoven as pianist and composer, Mozarts late piano concertos formed Olympian models that he sought at first to emulate in his own concertos"

Yes the Mozart C minor Concerto; a marvelous work of art and filled with inspired ideas! I also find that, for example, Beethovens C Minor Concerto is much smaller and weaker than Mozarts. You know how much I revere Beethoven!" -Brahms

[2009xellos]

What do you expect,

did you expect Mozart to come up with all kinds of early Romantic pianistic technique with the "primitive" fortepiano?

Mozart, Haydn, and the "Classicals" had a different way of revolutionizing music, trying new approaches, from Beethoven and the Romantics.

For this particular concerto, Mozart utilizes the rondo form in the 2nd mvnt, and builds the 3rd mvnt in ingenious variations.

You might find that insignificant, but in the eyes of an expert, it's innovative.

[2009xellos]

Why do you compare Mozart with Beethoven when the eras they lived in were obviously different? Simply because they are the most famous?

Comparing between Hummel, (Mozart's pupil, Beethoven's rival) and Beethoven should be more appropriate.

between Beethoven and Mozart, who had more resources- piano technology at his disposal?

If you knew how much influence Mozart's last piano concertos, especially the very last, had on the early Romantics, you wouldn't be making such unbalanced remarks.

[howdilydoodily]

Sim882-

I understand where you're coming from, and your response to Qumak13 makes sense.

What's important to remember is to take things in historical context. The function of a Mozart concerto is quite different than Beethoven 4 or 5, and certainly Brahms (or any Romantic concerto!).

When listening to Mozart concerti, focus on what Mozart is saying--in HIS language. I think that will really help.

Then (and really, only then) will you witness great drama, character and color.

[pinznrom]

@Sim882

"Cramer, Cramer! We shall never be able to compose anything

like that!" Beethoven, after the two had heard Mozart's concerto in C-minor

at a concert in the Augarten.

"I have always reckoned myself among the greatest admirers of

Mozart, and shall do so till the day of my death." Beethoven to Stadler in 1826

Asked about which of Mozart's operas he thought most of. 'Die Zauberflote' said

Beethoven, and, suddenly clasping his hands and throwing up his

eyes, exclaimed: 'Oh, Mozart!'

[Ly1212]

i'm pretty sure Beethoven didn't write a cadenza 4 this concerto although he did 4 other Mozart concerti. this 1, i think, is Previn's own

[bac21380]

Je crois que c'est lui qui a composé la cadence, si il ne l"improvise pas meme. Mais c'est vraiment tres bon. Et de la superbe musique. Ce André Prévin est un tres grand musicien et il me semble pas assez connu actuellement.

[WAMozart2009]

Previn composed the cadenza.....I have the score. Unfortunately I can't play it very well.

[chopinandliszt]

The Cadenza has too many passages that are similar to those in the Hummel Cadenza. I'm sorry but it could be said it's a Hummel Cadenza rearranged by Previn. Previn did an awesome work in making it sound very "modernistic", but in some instances, it goes through themes without smooth transitions. I like it, anyway.

[WAMozart2009]

Previn composed this amazing cadenza himself.... I have the score. Unfortunately I can't play it very well.

[chopinandliszt]

it has many passages that are similar to those in Hummel's cadenza.

[juaneco1980]

who made the cadenza??

[zippyhat]

love the song! comment about the recording:

Right at 4:11 it seems the piano pitch goes haywire (sharp) for a split second right before the arpeggio starts. Anyone else notice?

[juaneco1980]

i always thought morazt himself comosed the cadenzas cause they are so damn beautyful they the resume of the whole piece

[gbisaga]

Most cadenzas are written that way, to bring in snippets from the rest of the piece. Mozart did his own cadenzas of course, but I don't think they were really written down. I think it was really Beethoven who at first started writing out his own cadenzas (the long cadenza for concerto #1 is awesome) and later, like with #4 and 5 making them part of the score.

[barelyapianist]

can definitely see where beethoven got his kicks

[gigigigigi5678]

does someone know who composed the cadenza?

[thebloads]

mozarts student, hummel, highly gifted, but no sucessor to mozarts transcendent legacy

[AsSomedayItMayHappen]

yeah, you can tell it's not Mozart.

[AsSomedayItMayHappen]

I thought Beethoven wrote this Cadenza.

[chopinandliszt]

thebloads, are you sure hummel composed the cadenza? Others say Previn himself composed it.

[beethomozart]

long live mozart

[danorq]

i would say... some of the cadenza parts seem quite improvised (really improvised). Pretty awesome

[wmk500]

wow

[megabopp]

though he's a fine conductor, I've never understood why Andre ,being the marvelous pianist he is, hasn't made more classical piano albums!!

[KCL310]

Love the cadenza!