Busts of Greek Macedonian Fighters vandalised in Edessa

[1Banditt]

Modern greeks are Turks. Pontians from Turkey were forcefully migrated to Aegean Macedonia against their will, what a shame!

Macedonia for the Macedonians! DA ZIVEE MAKEDONIJA!

[Kuopioboy]

@1Banditt Modern Greeks are Greeks! And we, Macedonians, are also from the North part of greece! i myself, am from Thessaloniki!

Da Zivee Vardaska! Da Zivee MONKEYDONIJA!

[alevas29]

Don't worry Greeks!

Facts like these can't change the Greekness of the Macedonia!

On the contrary facts like these help the truth!

Only if you are wrong or you say lies do it that!

[imperialman1988]

And of course when someone are completely blind they do not watch something that is not giving to them advantage...the common Greek(Κοινὴ Ἐλληνικὴ) has started to be used as language to all the areas that Great Alexander occupied. So if, let us say if, Macedonians were speaking some other language instead of Greek, why it was the language that were used in Alexanders' colonies?? Oh yeah...truth pains A LOT!!!!

[imperialman1988]

You Slavs(Skopians). Could you at least try to see the truth. You are calling your language ''Macedonian'' while it is almost the same with Bulgarian. How this language can be ''Macedonian'', as you say, the moment that you have the Cyrillic alphabet and you can understand the most of Bulgarian words. Because it is simple...your language is Slavic and it is as the are saying in Latin ''lingua franca''(the same root language).

[ellas4ever1]

anandroi na sas dw rr pousth mou....!!!!!!macedonia is greek

[JIMY45GR]

VARDASKA IS THE NE W NAME OF FYRROM .. ACCEPT IT AS GROYEFSKI ACCEPTED AND AMERICANS TOO

[Sarafot]

Egejska independant, freedom for our brothers in Aegean Macedonia!

[SMYRNAfreedom]

@Sarafot Makedonia is an ethnic Greek name and region from the origins of being Greek and Hellas.

Krste Misirkov - expressed the ethnicity of the "FYROM" Slavs including his own ethnicity, calling them pure Bulgarians.

FYROM occupies Paionia - now you want to call yourselves Macedonian. FYROM people are not ethnic Macedonians and were never called ethnic Macedonians.

Makedon is "Greek Makedon" - the other parts are old annexed extended regions and are not actual Makedonia.

[vojvoda78]

-aegean is part on republic of macedonia!!!macedonia will be united!!!vardar+aegean+pirin=r­epublic of macedonia!!!solun will be the capital of macedonia,again!!!death for greece!!!

[ellas4ever1]

@vojvoda78 you have t try and found what whose worlds means its GREEK......macedonia is greek

[diavoliaris]

@vojvoda78

Thessaloniki

never ever PSOLUN

[SMYRNAfreedom]

@vojvoda78 FYROM speaks West Bulgarian Language, Skopion - not Macedonian. Macedonian language is only Greek from Doric Greek.

Makedon is Greek from the origins of being Greek and Hellas.

Alexander the Great speaking with Diogenes, "I desire that victorious HELLENES SHOULD DANCE AGAIN -- in India.."

[stamos10]

Macedonia is greek and its in greece.

All the monuments , greekgods , greeksymbols the language. the scrifts. eveything. citys name , and we have our own language. Skopia is Slavic , Stolen history , Stolen name and worst of all stolen language . Macedonia have been macedonia in 5000 years not only in 30 years when Skopia got a country for asslicking. the Symbol of MACEDONIA is greek a person from Skopia dosent even know what that symbol means . destory our monuments we will destroy your lifes

[egeecc]

This is not macedonian fighters, this is macedonian spy, grekomans, malakas.

Freedom for Macedonians in gRece.

[babouras123]

There are no Macedonians other than Greeks. The ancient Macedonians were Greek, Skopiane.

You are a hestis (look it up). You only have guts to destroy statues, and you think you are doing something. Come to Thessaloniki if you dare, and say what you have written here.

[egeecc]

Vre pontian, makedonomahos is macedonians who been with greeks.Makedonomahos is macedonian spy, its historical fack.

[vmro1893]

You greeks are a deranged bunch. First you claim Macedonians never exist, then after the independence of ROM, Macedonians "suddenly" became Greek. You're nation are all prosfigi i.e. Turkish speaking Christians imported from Asia Minor in order to intimidate the native Macedonians in that region.

[babouras123]

By saying"Macedonians"you obviously mean the Skopjans. Wea re not saying that the Skopjans don't exist, we are only saying that they are not who they say they are, ie Macedonians.

There is no reference to a"Macedonian"nation before the early 20ieth century. Bulgarian intellectuals (of SNOFF) had the idea to create it, in an attempt to create an ideological basis to occupy THessaloniki

and gain access to the warm seas (the Aegean and the Mediterranean). Tito took up this idea and continued it.

[pittoBG]

@babouras123 Nooo, man - the serbians created it in order to detach The Vardar valley from Bulgaria - at first they wanted to make serbs out of them, but when they saw that was not possible, they invented the "macedonism" - there are documents that clearly state it

[babouras123]

Macedonians did not "suddenly" become Greek. They were Greek all along. From the ancient times, the only inscriptions that you can find are in Greek. The buildings they have (what remains of them) are according to the Dorian Greek fashion. Their deities were the same as the ones of the Southern Greeks. On the other hand, there is not even ONE inscription in a language other than Greek coming from the ancient Macedonians.

[BERZITI]

next time use SEMTEX !

[Theonoa]

STRABO CONFIRMS THAT MACEDONIAN STATE WAS A PART OF GREECE

Strabo:

"And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."

(Strab. VII, Frg. 9)

CURTIUS ALSO SPEAKS ABOUT MACEDONIA AS A STATE OF GREECE

Quote:

Alexander was a thorough Greek, and recognized the future of Macedonia as depending on her intimate connection with the other Hellenic states.

The city of Pella began to be not only the 'greatest city in Macedonia',but a centre of Greek culture

(Curtius-The History of Greece Vol. 2 Book)

[Theonoa]

Alexander the Great addressing the dead Hellenes after the battle of Chaeronia.

"Holy shadows of the dead, I'm not to blame for ur cruel & bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations & brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad brothers if I had all of u standing here next to me, since we r united by the SAME LANGUAGE the SAME BLOOD & the SAME VISIONS

[trickm79]

@bojancho...your arguments are so fake. and at the end of the day this is not a video that you comment about all those arguments. How can somebody destroy such monuments?? What people sense here in Greece is that you tease us in many ways for war. Come on then!!! Get your soldiers here. Get the guns. Do you really believe that Greece will give you land on papers? Come on leave the keyboard and get a gun. come on!!!!! Lets see some brave Skopians. Not some pussies in the dark.

[bojancho]

My arguments as substantiated by facts. We don't provoke. You do, by beating people with Macedonians insignia on their cars and trucks, deny money transfers from and to Macedonia, deny flights of Macedonian airlines, deny existence of Macedonians in your country, object our name and so on. I don't want war. I want respect.

And in Macedonia there are more cities that just Skopje.

[SexyGreek26]

Yeah I'm sure u can Bulgarian.. Hahaha! 1.5 million???!! Where?? Last time I checked the census it said there were 1.3 million of u and 2.5 million us in the region of Macedonia! And FYROMians multiply??!! When?? Where?? In 5 years there will only be Albanians in your country lol!

[KomitaMKD]

so why you are so scared to recognize the macedonian minority in greece

[RapidoGr]

1.000.000 macedonians is not a minority it is majority.Now if you mean 100 people that speak Bulgarian maybe we can discuss it.

[KomitaMKD]

but still you confess that there are people that are not greek and they are minority .

[RapidoGr]

I dont know how many people they are i'm sure you also dont know.We hear some crazy numbers,when i served gr army i saw slavophones with Greeks consiousness hating Skopjans,i also saw people in a village that didnt considered them shelfs greeks.Anyway you must visit to see how the situation is.They can call themshelfs as they like and do whatever they like without insulting Greek state and fsabricating history.

[KomitaMKD]

type agean macedonia lerin or voden on youtube and you will see how many macedonians(not greek) are there . we are peacefull nation we just want rights for the minority there . it's nonsense to say that there are 98% greek and 2 % muslim greek

[RapidoGr]

Its a fest for locals like Pontians ex Thracians Greeks Slavophones.Slavophone doesnt mean Fyromian...Search youtube hom many greek citizens say they are not greeks?more than 30?They have also a political party.Have they managed to get more than 1000 votes?

[bojancho]

Do you believe that votes correspond to actual minority numbers? If that was so, there wouldn't be a need for censuses. That's when you go around giving people the right to self-determine on language, culture, religion and ethnicity. I know you're unfamiliar with the term since Greece hasn't had a census in about a century. They got 7500 the first time, 4000 the second. That is enough to recognize a minority. Romania recognizes 1700 Armenians. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for u

[RapidoGr]

And 1500 votes the last time...But its funny that you talk for a minority and you dont even know how many are they,their names you know nothing about them

[bojancho]

Obviously you don't even realize the stupidity of the statement. I don't need to know their names. I know there are AT LEAST 30 to 40 000 there as many human right organizations suggest. This was suggested by the professor of international relations at the Panteion University in Athens, Alexis Heraclides who in his latest statement called for a recognition of the obviously existent ethnic Macedonian minority.

[RapidoGr]

You cant move without to international courts without proof.

[bojancho]

LOL. If you want to see the reports from UN and ECRI regarding the existence and mistreatment of ethnic Macedonians in Greece, msg me. But be prepared to shocked, because I know what your government tells you, and I know you truly believe they are no Macedonians in Greece.

These reports go back from the 1940s.

[RapidoGr]

My little Bulgarian do you have a list of their names or not?

[bojancho]

No I don't my Arvanite/Vlach/Turk friend.

[RapidoGr]

In case you dont know,i dont have to proove anything.You have.Take care

[bojancho]

I don't have to prove anything either. Take care.

[RapidoGr]

Owned

[bojancho]

What? How am I owned? Do explain that little Greek mind of yours.

[sbepot]

tomorrow??? real GAYreek malaks beheaded by Macedonian Freedom Fighters in Solun.

[SexyGreek26]

Nai rei gypsy! U think Greece is going to let u cross the border to show that u have a more than 1,000 people slavic minority in Greece? hahahaha.. Just u wait and see whats going to happen tomorrow!

[sbepot]

Listen vre Turko, I have relatives there and I can cross the border so many times. I even worked there mori. Nothing can stop me. Try 1.5 million Macedonian Minority compared to 650000 Turks from Asia Minor. Tomorrow??? Watch your back.... Macedonians dont sleep, they dont die, they multiply.

[diogenes79]

yes, west-bulgars(pseudomacedonians­) multiply. albanian men and west-bulgar woman are fucking in tetovo. hahahhaha, so, go on and multiply.

[mattyr2k83]

smash FYROM :)

[pasha6a]

A lot of hysteria over VANDALISM??? Is this News? I think corrupt politicians in Greece are loving this news. It takes away from the recent scandals that some of these politicians are involved in.

[skiros14]

Thier is no Hysteria. Its a cowardly act that deserves retaliation! Molon Lave!

[polywog10]

They are not 'filoskopianoi' my dear Greek speaking Christian Turk, they are ethnic Macedonians, kicked around and ground into the dirt by racist Greece. I piss on your ignorant statues.

[skiros14]

They are Slavs. Nothing less. You came to the region in the 6th Century AD. You have nothing to do with Alexander. GFY

[bojancho]

Read a book

[56593219]

we came to the region in the 6th Century;

about you when came to MACEDONIA 1922;

You the one have nothing to do with Alexander

your colour is darker.

[skiros14]

My aunt has blond hair and blue eyes you moron. You Afrikan propaganda is getting old.  We are Greeks according to Stanford University our DNA is 98% pure. So GFY

[bojancho]

"We are Greeks according to Stanford University our DNA is 98% pure. So GFY"

LOL That just made me laugh. 98% pure what exactly?

[Aedile]

Shit...whats on your newspapers tommorow?

[RapidoGr]

Sorry but Ottoman records dont mention any Macedonians they mention Serbs Greek and Bulgarians.Admit your identity and your state might not split in 4

[bojancho]

Bulgarian Church - Bulgarians

Greek Church - Greeks

Serbian Church - Serbians

Ottomans discriminated based on religious affiliation.

Don't look at things at face value. You have to know the circumstances of the period in order to see the reality of the situation.

[skiros14]

now its a discrimination? You skopjians have some wiered complexes. Maybe its because you don't know your real identity?

[bojancho]

I know mine. You seem to deny yours. Your "pure" nation created in the 1820s of Arvanites, Turks, Slav, Vlach people. Before that time no one knew the word Hellene. In fact people despised the word, synonymous with heretic. They were referred to Rhomaioi. You attack others because their existence threatens YOUR identity.

Offense is the best deffense... isn't it.

[petropoulioti]

steilte tous sta skopia twra

[MKwarrior]

The Macedonians will not be suppressed anymore!

Human rights for the Macedonians in greece NOW!

[skiros14]

MKwarrior-All you doing is waking up a sleeping giant. We Greeks are really getting sick of your lies, bullshit claims on our country! And if you don't stop, your will eventually feel our rath!

[bojancho]

Bring everything to the table then. Let's hear it. You're sacred because you are the one hiding behind propaganda. Hiding the ethnic Macedonian people in Fopog.

[skiros14]

We have all the physical evidence---you have nothing!

[RapidoGr]

1 Macedonians spoke and still speak Greek - read history

2 You have a list of the so called minority?

You dont even know how many they are.A village on our borders with people that speak Bulgarian doesnt consist minority.

3 Admit your real roots and your state might not split

4 Your primeminister is Greek-ask him for his grandfather and why his family changed his last name 50 years ago.

5 Dont steal Bulgarian and Greek history,admit your Slav roots.

[bojancho]

Macedonians also spoke a native language which was different from Greek. Why don't you read some history, preferably non-Greek authors.

No list of the minority, since there hasn't been a census in Greece (at least a public one) for about 100 years. 5000 people gathered in Melti on the 20th. Those were ethnic Macedonians, a "non-existent" minority.

My roots are from Macedonia and I am Macedonian.

Our PM is ethnic Macedonian with roots in Aegean Macedonia.

You might want to reevaluate ur stance

[RapidoGr]

They spoke a language close to Greek why dont you read some books.

[bojancho]

They spoke a language different and not understandable by Greeks. Read some non-Greek books.

[skiros14]

Bojancho-you are an idiot. Think! What logic do you base this on. If Greeks were in Alexanders army how did they communicate if they didn't understand Alexanders Greek Commands. Your just so blind to the facts and logic!

[bojancho]

Deleting my posts are we? I'll answer the question again. Alexander was NOT understood by Greek soldiers when speaking Macedonian. He had to speak Greek for them to understand him. His commanders refused to address the soldiers because not all would understand them. Alexander was said to not be understandable when he was mad as he spoke in his native language. Macedonian. Again, ask you to think and read non-Greek authors. Original works would be preferable.

[RapidoGr]

How did he participated the olympic games then?Athletes had to proove their Greekness(language-religion-wa­y of life)a week before the games and guess what,for 500 years Macedonians sended their athletes to compete with their brothers.Before humiliating yourshelf with a stupid answer search-read why and when Greeks refused to a Persian king to participate in the games.Search where did the royal family of Macedonia came from(Perdikas-Philip-Alexander­)

[bojancho]

Wait. Do you think Alexander the Great participated in the Olympic games?

[RapidoGr]

Wait you want to tell me that he didnt?

[bojancho]

Exactly. Alexander the Great did NOT participate in the Olympic Games.

[RapidoGr]

He did in foot race and he came first...

[bojancho]

Bullshit. Only the victors names were written down and his name does not appear, which means he did not WIN. Secondly, if you want to suggest that Alexander the Great participated in the Olympic Games you would be very mistaken because he DID NOT.

Provide a source or reference that suggests that he did. Please... I want to see you make an ass of yourself.

[RapidoGr]

"I happen to know, and I will demonstrate in a subsequent chapter of this history, that these descendants of Perdiccas are,of Greek nationality. This was, moreover, recognized by the managers of the Olympic games, on the occasion when Alexander wished to compete and his Greek competitors.Alexander, proved his Argive descent, and so was accepted as a Greek and allowed to enter for the foot-race. He came in equal first." book 5. 22.

HERODUTUS

[bojancho]

Do you even know which Alexander he's talking about?

[RapidoGr]

His grandgrandfather i can continue with his grandfather Philip I his father Philip and tell you the whole story of Macedonians that participated the olympics.

[bojancho]

And you would be wrong. You said that Alexander the Great participated. Do you still think so?

[Theonoa]

(Plut. 7.14, page 266)

[Macedonia as a greek state took part in the congress held at Isthmus of Corinth. Alexander was voted to be commander-in-chief while many Greek statesmen and philosophers showed their joy about the event by offering him their congratulations.]

[Theonoa]

"Now, that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know." (Herod. V, 22, 1 [Loeb])

The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos"

(Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)

[Theonoa]

(Plut. 7.4, page 256)

[Philip as a proud Greek, had his victories in Olympics stamped on his coins]

[IuseAK47]

the romans participated in the olympics to!!! does this make them greek???

[RapidoGr]

When?After occupying Greece and ruling Greeks???Dont fool yourshelf...

[Theonoa]

Zelef, as President of FYROM Democracy, when asked on the 20 th June 1993 in Sweden by a journalist of the Swedish Newspaper Svenska Dugbladed about the "Macedonian Nation", had said: "

The Macedonian Nation Commitern created after the war is

a Crime committed by Titoism and Stalinism".

[Theonoa]

mr bojarno explain why bulgarian people say that you are bulgarians, why you speak slavic, why all jurnalists until 1940 called you bulgarians? you try everytime to show me that macedonia is not greek but you don't give a document that you are macedonian and not bulgarian.explain me why all old maps have macedonia as part of greece?

[APMUMBP]

Idiot why was bulgaria ready to give Pirin back to Macedonia in 1946?

You africans that live in athens think you know everything about Macedonia. And yet you dont know anything about your history. Your flag your king, thank the germans for that. Your language thank the swiss for that. Your histroy thank us for that. Your land thank the brits and west for that.

You live in a lie.

[bojancho]

My guess is that by now, you managed to find Herodotus where he speaks of Alexander's supposed participation in the games. It's obvious to me now that you had no idea what you are reading, but as all Greeks, you're sure you know your history. Alexander I is the person Herodotus speaks of, Alexander III is Alexander the Great. And once again, participants were not recorded, only the victors.

You might want to read up on that.

[Theonoa]

do you want more mr bojacho about the greekness of macedonia? now i want give me documents that ancient authors wrote for you. i want also say why all jurnalists called you bulgarians, why all maps of 1400-1500 hsve macedonia in greece, and why alexander the great said that is greek and why starbo and plutarchos wrote that macedonia is state of greece?

[skiros14]

Again, where is the physical evidence? Show us this ancient language!!!!!

[bojancho]

There is no physical evidence left of this language. Only about 150 glosses remain which were written down by several authors. That is why it is difficult to determine which group of languages it belongs to.

[skiros14]

What a lame excuse. You would be laughed out of any court with that here say! Use your head and logic. Can't you see you are brainwashed. Ancient Macedonian language is Greek!

[bojancho]

I wasn't aware that I was in court. But ok. Let's say the ancient Macedonian language is Greek ad the ancient Macedonians are Greek. Now what. What is your argument (for the courts of course)? On what grounds do you base your objection to another nation naming itself.

[skiros14]

Bojancho, lets just say that a Skopjian Cola company decided to call his Cola- Coca Cola or Pepsi, what would those two companies do? Its the same concept. Greece isn't stoping you from calling your country a name. Its not even resisting calling your country a name with the word Macedonia in it. But you cannot call yourselves a name that cause confussion in geography and history. Call yourselves Upper, Slavo, Northern, New Macedonia. I don't think the Greeks would object.

[bojancho]

Or you can call yourself, Lower, Southern, Old Macedonia. Macedonians won't object.

[skiros14]

For you Skopjians its not about the name but about the territory. You want what you call Aegean Macedonia.  Thus, you want to claim ancient Macedonian History as your own. Create confussion in the world, in hopes that some day some larger powers would just hand it over to you. In the 21st century, boarder can not change and Nationalism needs to be put back into Pandoras Box. The path that you Skopjians choose only awakens Greek Nationalism that in the end will not benifit your people.

[APMUMBP]

That was never your territory. What the fuck are you talking about. In 1913 you took your part like bulgaria, serbia and albania. And after that in greece you could not even say the word Macedonia until 1988 when a meeting went on in australia. The west knows about what went on in Macedonia. Not only now, but before 1988 the greek civil war 1913 and evenB.C. time.

You should thank Tito, Stalin and the Brits for keeping you after WW2.

The Nazi's have nothing on you guys.

[aristotelpiperka]

1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum

2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum,

3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups....

[skiros14]

Aristotelpiperka- What proof do you have. What language did the Ancient Macedonians Speak?  What is written on Philips Tomb. What evidence or proof do you have that Greeks are from Ethiopia? You are full of shit!

[bojancho]

He's citing genetic studies. IF that's not proof, language doesn't even come close!

[skiros14]

Look all you do is offer hear say. If you look at the physical evidence it all says Greek! Coins, Philips Grave and other Greek inscriptions. Also, read Stanford University DNA studies on Greece, you will find that your flat out wrong. Maybe you shouldn't read the books written in Skopje!

[bojancho]

I don't read books written in Skopje. I also read books written in Bitola, Ohrid, Prilep, Veles, Tetovo, Berovo and so on, from all over Macedonia. I tend to read foreign authors more than Macedonians for the sake of not being biased.

[skiros14]

So the Stanford University Genetic Studies confirms the Hellenistic character the the ancient Macedonian's! Your studies are politically motivated.

[RapidoGr]

Why Macedonians participated in the Olympics?

Why you dont speak Alexanders language and you ask help from Greeks to translate all the ancient Macedonian texts?

You know where the royal family(Philip Alexander) of Macedonia is from?

Why their names dont have any meaning in your language?

Why the hell dont you admit that you re a Bulgarian

[bojancho]

One Macedonian participated in the Olympics under strange circumstances where he was called a Barbarian.

You also don't speak Alexanders language. It's an extinct language. You yourself didn't speak Greek before 1820s.

A lot of other names and words bear Greek origin, such as the name of the country of Ethiopia. That does not mean it is Greek.

I am not Bulgarian as much as you would love to have me be one. I am an ethnic Macedonian. Deal with it.

[skiros14]

That is odd, because I was at Philips grave and I can read what it said. Ancient Greek is not extinct!

[bojancho]

wow, it took you 9 months to respond

[skiros14]

Aristote, Can you please provide me with physical evidence that Macedonia's were of an Older Substratum? Can you show like the Greeks can coins, status, grave inscriptions that are written in Greek? Can you provide evidence of a Macedonia Language other than Greek?