What people are saying here about "the destruction of our farmers by the EU" is nonsense. The global free trade that Mr Hannan and I defend would very likely cause generic british farmers to disappear anyway, at least in the short run, due to competition from developing nations.
Here in the United Kingdom I wonder why rich people think they're entitled to money that I've worked hard for. I'm writing of our membership of the corrupt European Union project that Daniel Hannan's Conservative Party are totally in favour of. Money is taken from my pocket via taxes - then given to the European Union - then that money finds its way into the bank accounts of rich Conservative Party land owners via the European Union Common Agricultural Policy handouts.
@RedGoblinus dont be such a moron - the CAP has been ripping off uk farmers for 20 years and subsidizing french farmers - the idea the any CAP money finds its way into conservative bank accounts is ludicrous - we pay them to farm, over produce and then dump on africa
@rugbyboy198127 Basically, our government is taking our taxes and giving them to the EU who then put the money into the bank accounts of rich Tory landowners. No wonder the Tories will never take us out of the EU as at the core of that political party is Britain's rich landowning elite. No surprise either that it was Tories that took us into the EEC in 1973 and Tories that signed us up to the EU - via the Maastricht Treaty - in 1992.
@RedGoblinus yes you're right lol i'll admit defeat - very surprising tho as one always thinks of the tories as being euro-sceptic etc whereas lab/lib dem are europhiles through and through, so who the bloody hell are we supposed to turn to in our hour of need? the whole thing sucks, as when one examines ukip policy a little further than its quite appropriate stance on europe, one finds some scary stuff etc in particular the immigration freeze they propose ie: work permits for all non-nationals?
@rugbyboy198127 You're not defeated - you're a little more enlightened. It's about time our government came forward with the true facts and costs concerning our membership of the European Union. The way I see it, we'd be better off out of the costly European Union and free to trade with the whole world again and on our own terms - as we were prior to 1973 and our entry into the EEC.
@RedGoblinus well yes but I can't help thinking that the problem is that the UK has such a peripheral role within the EU! It is ridiculous that the most powerful country in europe has such a minor role! Partly cos we weren't in from the beginning etc etc, I support an EU just not this current fascist mob posing as democracy, but I still think we need trade union and freedom of movement for workers etc to stand a chance of competing with china or the US, but I agree that UK has her commonwealth!?
@rugbyboy198127 Also, the geographical situation of the UK within the EU means that we'll get an increasingly peripheral role. As the centre - geographically - of the EU is Germany and it's no coincidence that they do best of all economically from EU membership. Much better for the UK to be outside the EU where we can benefit from trade with the superpower that is the USA and the Commonwealth countries.
@RedGoblinus well yes in principle lol unless the EU countries decide to punish the UK by freezing us ou of alot of their trade, but still we'd have the US and commonwealth so think we'd be ok! at least we'd be able to fish our own damn fishing grounds without having to share them with the entire EU! I must stop you on germany tho mate, she is propping up the entire EU with her industry and sound finances, she wants the deutsch-mark back and she doesn't do well out of EU, EU does well out of her
@jrobertsoneff erm yeah mate - just a bit lol poor old germany - they've had such a rough ride since the dawn of their great nation - it's their destiny to be great! in fact if you exclude UK and scandanavia, then germany is the only country in europe with any worth whatsoever - with any worthy industry/engineering and with a viable financial system that doesn't rely on raping the third world over and over (I include UK in the rape, but not scandanavia) praise be to germany, from an honest brit!
@jrobertsoneff hehe aw just noticed your comment soz - lol yeah you tickle me haha - erm yeah if we had any we could lol what have we become oh well we'll just have to put up with being bullied on international stage until we get some new carriers! Lucky we have the geographical british & irish isles - the throne of all thrones haha we may be poor an destitute in the future but at least we'll be safe!
@jrobertsoneff bwt hip hip and a hooray - i'm loving watching murdock squirm and his empire beginning to crumble just in time for him to see it and know it before the nasty old bastard dies - what a wonderful summer! down with that git! trust me my family are aussies originally - his name's been mud in my house since i was crawling and beyond! if i ever saw him i'd spear tackle him maori-style or maybe i'd just go aussie rules on him - yeah man i'd love that lol
@jrobertsoneff erm yeah mate - just a bit lol poor old germany - they've had such a rough ride since the dawn of their great nation - it's their destiny to be great! in fact if you exclude UK and scandanavia, then germany is the only country in europe with any worth whatsoever - with any worthy industry/engineering and with a viable financial system that doesn't rely on raping the third world over and over (I include UK in the rape, but not scandanavia) praise be to germany, from an honest brit!
i reckon if people want to make a classless society they are more than welcome, just not at my or anyone else who doesnt want to's expense... communes for example whats wrong with that, if collectivism is so great go and live in a commune with other likeminded people and if it works it works, just dont try and force it on the rest of us or try and finance your dreams from my pocket...
He left out the USA who does the same with its farms ability to grow food, excess crops and of course through those price fixing. And it will continue with the officials cycling through the administration. Different so called breed of dog, but still a dog.
As bigoted, cycloptic, gold-dumping fat c*nt Gordon Brown clings to power, regardless of the fact Labour lost the election, dirty dealing goes on behind closed doors. A coalition government is in the offing.
As if that wanker should dare to subvert Democracy! But then ballot rigging by all means is Labour's specialty! They've done nothing but ruin the nation and now they want to carry on 'illegally'.
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A classless society is a society where you have nothing to live for, nothing to aspire to, nobody to look up to and learn from, and where every untalented lazy twit makes sure you do not rise above them.
CAP is in no way Marxist. This really is an ignorant attack on the CAP. It is strongly regionalist, yes, but it does not need to collectivised farming, it actually enhances competition within Europe.
Can someone please explain to me why the British Conservative party and the BNP do not make a coalition, which would mean two parties in one but still two parties, in Australia John howard did that for 10 yrs, they both have numbers and similar ideas. can someone please explin?????
Daniel you are so right about Gordon Brown, about our economy, about Europe, the destruction of our farmers by the EU and about the steadily encroaching Marxist.Fascist spread of EU controls into everuthing they can. Please what can we do about it? Yes vote if and when we get the chance, but will we be able to change this appalling down slide of logic and freedom?
"pinickityme" says.. "Long live Fidel". Well I've got some news for you. Socialist systems are all about control. They are all about saying you have no control over your life. Think about that. Just for one second, think about that. "Fidel kicked out the ruling elite", yes, but to only be replaced by another one! Would you prefer hope, or, being told what to do, because they think it's good for you, or would you prefer to be trusted to make your own mind up? Just think!
"What Socialist countries are out of control"? I thought all countries are having economic difficulties. My argument is that no one ideology has given us the 'answers". Socialism apparently strips entrepreneurs of the motivation to prosper in a competitive world. Whilst greed has sunk unrestricted Capitalism. Moreover, if your measurement of "freedom" is to think for oneself then we are all "free".
What Hannan doesn't say is that the EU destroys some home-grown food stocks due to a determination to be self-sufficient, this, rather than chance unreliable food supplies should there ever be another World War.
As for depriving the 3rd World of a market, keeping the 3rd World impoverished. What bollocks!! It is the so called "free market" that does this.
Hannan is just R Murdoch's anti EU mouth piece & all because the EU refuses to let RM monopolise the EU media with his Sky crap.
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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fidel Castro led a revolution that kicked out the Cuban ruling elite who didn't mind getting rich running that beautiful country as a bordello for fat rich dirty old yanks.
Hannan & his ideas stink. Me thinks he just wants to get rich & by touting the crap he does will probably make him so because all too many out there in gaga land seem to be so misinformed that they swallow this bullshit.
Lol. Long live Fidel eh?? In the beginning I thought you were moderate. I guess not.
Communism has benn thoroughly discredited as an ideology. The only Communist countries that do well, are those who are communist in name only like China and Vietnam.
Castro is the perfect foil to the USA's unrestrained dirty Capitalism. And right on it's doorstep. Oh how the US right wing hate Cuba as it proves that Capitalism is not the only way.
As for Communism; Stalin gave it a bad name as a consequence of his being the paranoid man he was.
Whilst Castro's offer of 500 trained medics after Katrina,
although quite likely meant to ideologically embarrass Bush, were, for ideological reasons, declined. But ask yourself who suffered.
As for me; generally speaking it is my opinion that for the benefit of humankind, a compromise is ever the best solution [whilst that it is the exception that proves the rule]. This since absolute truth is a concept only the God's understand. And they are imaginary. I think...........................
With regards that you should LoL at the idea of Fidel Castro.
Castro got rid of a ruling elite that were quite happy making their fortunes out of running that beautiful country as a bordello that could be exploited by a whole bunch of rich, fat American perverts. Personally I respect why the Cuban revolutionaries did what they did. You may not. That is you choice.
[or to clarify my, incensed by your simplistic outlook, illiteracy]
Would you advocate that Cuba should have remained the "bordello play thing" for fat perverted old yanks that wanted a cheap fuck at the expense of poor Cubans.
Those on the left need to accept that utopia is not an option. Under any form of government there will be poverty, disease, crime, economic recessions, etc. A free society and free market offers the greatest opportunities and highest quality of life for all people, of every socioeconomic class.
"A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." - Thomas Jefferson
Grayling57, you say that Capitalism fails, but it doesn't. The US did not collapse as the USSR did, and the reason the PRC is growing so fast is because it abandoned Maoism for a strange Chinese hybrid of Communism and Capitalism. Capitalism, in actual fact de-centralizes power, and gives it to us through money. Socialism centralizes that power, and as history has shown, that always ends badly.
so money de-centralizes power? Is that why the history of the so-called free press is basically funnell-shaped? The more money in media, the more power has centralised. Not a theory. A fact. I chose that as one example, but really you know this already, just look at the rise in supermarket chains. Years ago the services they provide now would have been delivered by smaller chains locally run. For some, money is the currency of emancipation. For others, it is the currency of hegemonia.
No, what I said was, the more money you give to the Government, the more is wasted by an inefficient bureaucracy, and the less power normal people have.
Money = Power Give money to Government = Centralizing power
Capitalism lets people keep their own money, so they can generate more wealth with it.
Doesn't it? oh dear - then the global recession is another lie? The 2% interest rate on my nest egg is just the banking systems way of slowing my personal economy - no jaccuzi this year dear and cancel my north Korean holiday! I don't mean capitalism as a political doctrine in this context - capitalists can and do run with whatever suits so it's not so strange that China acts that way. I agree centralised power corrupts but that ain't unique to socialism - remember UK in the 80s - Thatcher!
Sorry - it was on reflction a cheap shot. Your ideas do, on a basic level make sense if everyone has the same opportunity to partake. Otherwise we would have a mult i- tiered system like USA - who wants that? - Dan! do I see a raised hand?
I think what I want, note I'm not sure myself (although I'm damned sure I dislike the present system), is a less arbitrary system, a more flexible system for patients & the unemployed and more responsibility in the hands of the working man and less in the hands of irresponsible, uninvolved, reckless government bureaucrats.
The only way I see us acheiving this is by giving more control over things like social security and healthcare to the end user.
For me it really boils down to this, who do you think cares about you more, YOU or a government bureaucrat who deals with hundreds of cases like yours every year and doesn't see the person behind it?
Our system was revolutionary when it began, it no doubt improved people's qualtiy of life, at least most people's, but its outdated now and needs to be reworked.
Its such a taboo in this country to discuss healthcare reform that people like Hannan are very rare.
Precisely! Though 'Chaps' like Mr Hannan are not that rare, they're just not on US TV. They're great at speeches and acting hard. The books and articles they write put forward compelling arguements. But they are the products of an underlying dogma that has eroded Britain's status as a world leader and has us hating europe - instead of leading it. As our influence weakens we cling to the shirt tail of the US. They are meddlers who leave a mess behind as they sail off on to sell more books.
Seems to me people like Hannan are pointing out the causes of the mess at hand, rather than making new ones. And he's not sailing anywhere... he's showing up the next day at work.
What a fool, you attack the NHS, you attack the values and principles of the people of the UK. No political party will hold office here whilst threatening the existence of the NHS. (Ask David Cameron... Your Boss!)
Your metioric rise to Yourube fame is matched by your ability to nose dive into European obscurity (For the Americans watching this moron, he just did a Caruso, and we certainly won't be offering him a new vehicle for his worthless talents)
The needy? You mean the leaches? Don't get me wrong, the hedge fund managers are leaches in their own way, but so is every person who bleeds dry the taxpayer.
Public services? Not really, most people who don't use the NHS still have to pay for it, how is that beneficial?
Oh yes! That would be me then - after a life of work, Army service and tax paying at 48 years old I find I have Parkinson's Disease - lose my job as a senior manager and go from being a fit outdoor type to a virtual cripple - now due to the princely sum of £70 p/w I get in benefit I'm a leech as well - I might get a job at the NHS, Now I must find a jar to crawl into - ah there's one - next to the stone you came from under.
you cannot get a catholic run school to teach any other doctrine than jesus is the savior....same goes for government schools in regard to the government...subtract the amount of monetary return you have received from government social programs from the amount of taxes you have paid to fund them on a personal level....would you need anyone for anything non catastrophic is that amount were in a simple savings account? is that really the "fairness" you were after? pay people to be poor....
Unfortunately, the natural state of mankind is towards collectivism, which enivitably leads down the path of corruption and tyranny.
It sounds stupid, but if you look at history, Freedom is a relatively new idea. The majority of the world and its people have lived under tyranny and opressors, and the EU is heading that way, fast. We need principles and pragmatism in our politics, not morality and equality. Thanks, Mr Hannan.
Yes, I agree. The way that New Labour the EU is running things would make classic liberal theorists like Mill cry. Infallibilism as a concept makes little sense, so why should we trust unelected, irrevokable EU leaders to decide what is best for our country and our countrymen? When did we, the British public, give the go ahead to Federalism? Why should we simply agree that far-left statist concepts are right when there seems to be little to no logical proof behind them?
I like social democracy. That is what i like. A mixed economy, properly run public services, hospitals, schools and welfare services. Progressive taxation, redistribution of wealth and egalitarianism. A fair and just society!
that is why europe is in deep trouble. no offense, but i think those who love wellfare are lazy bums who can't get up and make a living... America, even with its flaws, is better than europe any day. Here we have the best colleges and schools. We have the more diverse economy. We have the best healthcare (people don't die on waiting lines because they're too old or the government is too slow-that happens in europe.) Theres a reason for the large europeans flocking to the USa every year.
Yeah, because everything is cheaper there, that's the only reason. You may think free-market capitalism and America are brilliant (and you probably suck on Bill O' Reilly's prick most days), but thanks to free-market American corporatism you (along with the UK) have contributed singlehandedly to global poverty. But of course the free-market benefits westerners the most, so everyone (including you) is too selfish to care about that.
You can beleive that if you want, however in reality when a business moves to an area it gives jobs, and that creates prosperity.
The reason Africa is in poverty is because they aren't actually doing work there. The waste they receive is because they willingly accept it. A few years of suffering with electronic waste then, they'll upgrade to better business.
To walk a mile you must first take a step.
For some reason you seem to believe everyone should be at the finish together.
You are wrong. I could talk extremely in depth about how the global economy works, but I could not merely explain it on just this comment. If you actually are interested in what I think about it (you seem pretty level-headed actually, especially compared to stoya'starsandstripes'kavick) then I will message you about it.
U.S. donates the mosta nd gives the most to the world, so yea we care. systems like ur socialist and marxist beliefs are what contribute to world poverty-don't try and get around ut by balming countries which are successful...
You my friend stalinised are an idiot. Thatcher and Reagan reduced poverty in both our countries. Get the fucking facts and get ur ass up and work-it is not oyt fault the world believes in ur ideology... thanks to people like you, the world is poor...
Thirty years of Thatcher and Reaganism has become a busted flush! Neo liberalism, Neo conservatism, laissez faire -ism has run its course my friend. Look at the state intervention in the USA now. Do you see how economic intervention can keep your "American dream" going. FD Roosevelt realised the limitations of undiluted capitlism and watered it down with interventinary "big government" New Deal strategy in the 1930's.. The world regressed between 1979 and 2008.
BTW stalinised, you marxists always want heaven on earth-something which is not possible... U liberals have tried to make earth a utopia, but you always make it worse. I may sound selfish- but i only care about my nation-i could care less about a despotic nation in africa which does not know how to run their economy... Avionic was right... U my friend are listening to "experts" who are just ideologs... take make global poverty go away ur pals will make us all poor... FACT
Also, as previously mentioned, I am not a marxist. And the fact you call me a marxist AND a liberal in the same sentence is absolutely hilarious...because the two terms are OBVIOUSLY the exact same thing. Did you actually read a word of what I wrote or did you just garble out conservative rhetoric before you took it all in?
I'm so sorry, but i guess i took ur previous comments wrong on how u continued to deffend Marxism... Hmmm... Sorry. I want to see how ur little plan will benifit the world-when it always hurts the countries that it is tried in... If it can't fix a country, how the fuck will it help the world... enough said... Georgia uses capitalism, now its no longer a poor nation-DOES it cause poverty in other countries? Maybe if other countries just follow the system that WORKS maybe global poverty will fall
I actually don't think it will benefit the world, I just happen to think it's inevitable. As previously mentioned, it is highly rational if you take into account for all human history. Whether I think it is right or wrong is irrelevant. However, you are very wrong about global poverty. UK and US own all major corporations in developing countries, therefore depriving them of any real opportunity to gain profit. Although there are obviously far more complexities involved.
Setting up shop in developing countries allows people to expand and create wealth. (as little as it may be) Self sufficiency and the creation of wealth that is what most government deny thier people thereby rendering them 'undeveloped' nations. Get it?
But that's kinda hard to do cus other countries have high crime and despotic leaders who won't change the government. There's also war and desases that create poverty... Hmmm, funny right-LETS talk REALISM! There are other factors that would make ur lil plan a stupid idea... The ony to make it work is to make every nation change to the right system or make a world currency-which would have disiasterous affects... I believe in the system that helps my people-not hurt them.
what 'plan'? I don't have a 'plan'. Did I ever mention a plan? No. And when you say 'your people' you basically mean fellow Americans and westerners. At least I consider a system that helps people globally.
WHAT SYSTEM IS THAT!? No system will help us globally... There are too many problems and factors like war, crime, desease, civil wars, lack of a working population, despots, communist nations, nations with no resources, and so on... too bad for the world-i like the system that won't hurt me and my people because of the pathetic mistakes and leaderships of other countries.
ENOUGH said... U blame free market capitalism on our problems now, but you lack the knowledege to see that it was liberal bills, values, and spending that killed us... I could explain it to u in a message. Ur pals are idiots.
my PALS? when did I ever mention my pals? And what makes you think my pals agree with anything that I do? I'm actually going to stop this - you are not only ignorant, but you have completely made things up out of thin air and jumped to conclusions, particularly towards my personal lifestyle, that you know nothing about. As you Americans say, have a nice day.
btw us americans say-GO FUCK OFF-earth is not a utopia and we won't allow idiots like u to ruin or prosperity to help a world which has fucked itself over... The fact that you didn't even read the message i sent you-shows your ignorance.
Thatcher actually was directly responsible for 6 million people unemployed...the highest it had ever been until this recent recession. But my point in the first place was that it was directly responsible for poverty GLOBALLY. yes, globally - stop thinking about how much you want to bumfuck your own country for once and think about the bigger picture, yeah? And also, just because I believe a classless society is inevitable does not mean I agree with Marxism, before you jump to conclusions.
who told you that stalinised? Wait-you're a lying dumbass. I've heard enough. Last time i checked , Thatcher created jobs... At least you were smart enough not to say shit about Reagan. BTW FDR's New Deal failed... IRS reports, census reports, and his own treasury admitts it. You are lost-Avionic was right...
they are not whatsoever. Have you actually read the communist manifesto? What Stalin, Castro, Lenin etc did in the 20th Century is absolutely nothing compared to the scientific theory that Marx wrote. Comparing the two is actually a disgrace to what is originally in fact a very rational idea.
Yes i've skimmed through Marxism and i'm sure he'll be horrified by what they did. However, i unlike a lot of people in the world accept that i'm not 100% right. What i believe is the world works in cycles. For a few years we need left, then for a few years we need right.
However to rely on the right to pick up this discusting mess is wrong.
In addition when a centralised identity represents a nation, what happens to the hammers that stick out?
There will be class conflict, because people aren't born equally. Some are gifted, be it in Arts, linguistics or science.
I believe in a social net to pick up people in their times of needs, i believe exploitation is wrong. Yet no matter how hard you try there will always be those that are able to achieve more, and they can talk their way through most strugles + get people to do their work.
To avoid class conflicts we could subjegate robots. Yet we need the knowledge & abundance.
Well....i think if we were to be pedantic about it, we can see that people aren't born equal, some are inclide to be better at certain things. For example some people have flat feet some have arches...ect, which can affect them in certain physical subjects. In addition people's brains are wired differently.
However for the philosophical arguement, we can say everyone is born equal...yet we find that during their upbringing they get certain benefits or disadvantages that shape their character.
The constitution says we are created equal... But it reffers to us being created equal under the LAW-not a socialist utopia... U my friend are telling the truth...
"The constitution does not garuntee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up to it yourself."- Benjamin Franklin.
"I predict furture happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them" - Thomas Jefferson.
I've read Karl Marx's quotes. I've read part of that pathetic manefesto... Logical idea? Funny thing is, you must have a reading problem, but Lenin and Castro all praised Marx and did what Marx would've done... Marxism is a failure-Ronald Reagan knew it and thats why he gave us the longest economic espansion in American history... BTW he did read the manifisto and he thought it was a load of BS... Go home-marxism is nothing compared to free market capitalism which fails when government gets in.
I am home thank you. Marx's scientific theory predicted that the revolution would only be successful after free market capitalism. Did that happen in Russia? no. Did that happen in Cuba? no. Did that happen in China? no. Secondly Marx spoke of revolution by global means, whereas in the 3 above countries it was ridiculed by dictators that in fact had more in common with totalitarianism than any classless society Marx talked about. As I said before, I still don't believe you have read it.
So you think we will always live a life of capitalism? Historically, if you look through the human ages pre-and-post industrialisation, evidence suggests that it is me that is correct. We've only had capitalism for 200-odd years, and the obvious friction between classes (which can't really be denied) says to me that it cannot last for ever. Whether it's a marxist, classless society or not is a different matter - but I think out of all the theories out there, it seems the most rational.
I don't see how a classless society is possible. It's just established that not everyone is equal.Some people are mor industrious than others, some people are lazy, inevitably some people will have more worth to society than others. A classless society eliminates incentive to be that industrious person, the person that goes to college and becomes an astrophysicist or whatever. Also it seems to me that all attempts at establishing classless societies have failed so far so how would it work now?
@rjfrjf65 It simply cannot work, and for so many reasons. One of the most fundamental being human nature. It is in our make up to be competitive, to want to become better, to be selfish and look out for ourselves - TO BE FREE. And i have no problem with that.
@rjfrjf65 You assume that everybody in the lower class is there due to laziness and not for other reasons, such as exclusion from decent edution and economic opportunities.
@CzarKirk yes, people in lower classes have less opportunity than those who grow up with more infrastructure around them, though the ones who have more infrastructure around them generally do so because their ancestors fought their way out of poverty. You seem to have been brainwashed into thinking the poverty trap is unescapable. If you want all to have equal opportunity, you must accept that not all will choose to take opportunity given to them. Thus they will sit in the lower economic class.
@ConspiracyLoon No you sound like you have brainwashed yourself into not having to bother caring about other people. I'm actually a moderatist. You yourself accept that lower classes have less opportunity, and also point out that not everybody takes the opportunities presented to them. Both points are not mutually exclusive. Polarized thinking is dangerous. "They probably wouldn't take those opportunities anyway, so I don't need to feel bad about not providing them." Is that what you think?
@CzarKirk I'm happy to express: 'No, that is not what I think'. I believe that most think that they are 'moderatist', this is not necessarily based upon the media defined 'centrist ground' of political ideology. Everyone likes to believe their perceptions are balanced. I saying you are creating opportunity or taking away opportunity is far too vague, 'opportunity to do what?' is the question I ask. If your answer is: 'to gain financial security', then I believe (1/2)
@ConspiracyLoon the opportunity is there/always has been. The critical factors which appear to determine people's abilities to gain financial security are a combination of genetic disposition and nurture (which indeed includes education). Education will never be equal unless the family unit is destroyed. I personally believe that it doesn't matter what type of educational establishment is present, key learning comes from the home. Access to educational materials are available to all. (2/2)
@rjfrjf65 for me you misunderstand the meaning of the term class entirely, one cannot buy class, one does not inherit class when one finishes university/gets a job as an 'astro-physicist' - class is about manner, behaviour, morality, it is possible for the poorest of men to ooze class whilst the richest of the rich has none! it's akin to the indian notion of nobility - one could climb the castes due to one's behaviour - don't let the modern 'class/caste' systems fool you for they hi-jack words
@StanleyDonwood you miss-understand the meaning of class completely mate... you're talking about to which 'class' one belongs, I'm talking about having class - two very different things... the british class system is very mobile, some people who went on to 'crown' the upper 'classes', started life in the lower 'classes' Oscar Wilde for one off the top of my head - it is possible in one lifetime, nevermind a generation, to rise right through 'class' system, also to fall right through it actually!
@rjfrjf65 it was difficult for me to imagine at first as well, it will only happen when a critical majority of people awake from their spiritual comas and remember we're spirits first, humans second. But honestly we simply live in a monetary system wherein the top .01 percent of people stockpile 99% of the resources. This wealth could easily be evenly disseminated, but first we as individuals we need to start looking for opportunities to give; we need to make a domain of pure selflessness.
@rjfrjf65 also abolish the "ownership" mentality. With our hereditary ownership system, an immense majority of power and wealth has accumulated in very few hands. Naturally, these individuals are supremely intelligent and spiritually aware. Imagine how simple it would be to manipulate other humans if you were in touch with your immortality? Thinking in terms of eternities while the masses remain lost in doubt and hopelessness.
@rjfrjf65 of course some humans will always be better than others - tis nature's way! but the point is it doesn't have to be a class system - we should be grateful for any advantage we have and use that to help others not to distinguish ourselves from others - that's 'otherness' - for me it's like equality - of course we're not all equal but we all have the right to equal opportunity based on merit (ie intelligence and aptitude) class system you speak of not based on merit, based on inheritance!
@stalinised Marx predicted it would be a natural occurance after free market capitalism but it didn't happen. Maybe, just maybe, Marx, one human being, was wrong. Maybe his theory was rational, but based on incorrect assumptions. Communism was an 19th century solution to Victorian era social problems. The next big thing after capitalism I sure hope is better than this exploitive system we have now, but I seriously doubt it will be old hat Marxism. Look to the future!
And by the way, who was the first to instigate this globalisation and development of global poverty. Oh yeah, your great friend Mr. Reagan, and our great friend Mrs. Thatcher.
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Oh dear more evangelical new right, new right, neo cons peddling their bankrupt politcal ideas. I have got only one good thing to say about the lot of them........Goodbye and good riddence!!!
Jack straw fan, lol. Even when labour mess up, you seem to think they are imbued to succeed. Their ideology is required, however there grand ideas are un substainable. They Squander their money.
I'm bet you live in a city and don't know how the food source is being stretched, and slowly your diet will be very restricted, if nothing is done.
Elliot Morley, one of the MP mortgage fraudsters has announced he is going to stay in his post until the next election, as I think all the other 12 have said. These dishonest and disgraced MP's MUST GO NOW, NOT IN ONE YEAR'S TIME. IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. They must not be allowed to decide their own fate in this way, nor to rack up a further £1m plus of expense to the taxpayer by staying, they are totally taking the p*ss again.
Hi DreadLaw2. I blew your brains out did i with my comments! From what you posted onto youtube , if your brains was made of an explosive substance, it would not cause an explotion big enough to blow your hat off!!! Workers of the world unite!!!
I am actually half Scottish myself, but I hereby give all English people (or at least half of them anyway!) permission to call Gordon Brown a fat, useless, one-eyed Scottish idiot! Go on, I promise I will not say you are racist.
(My brother's fat, and my cat's only got one eye, and they also give their permission, so it's not fattist or monocularist either. I am sorry to any other useless idiots though, it was a bit harsh to compare them to Gordon Brown.
There is a role for markets and private enterprise and a role for the state and state intervention. People are not commodities or speadsheet units. We look after the sick, the old, the unemployed no matter what the cost. We should never allow exploitation. Society must be fair, just and egalitarian comrade.
Wow, you blew my mind. People are not spreadsheet units, but we should explot people to "help" those spreadsheet statistics, but we shouldn't exploit people, but we should be "fair" (i take it that's the socialist term, the rich should pay more, just as in unequal and egalitarian as interventionist for the needy). Your post is meaningless self-contradictary garbage.
Neo liberals, new right, neo cons! Listen to Greenspan, YOUR GURU, giving an explanation to Congress as to what he thought had gone wrong with the economy. It is embarresing. I wish Milton Friedman, another one of your gurus was alive so we could all personally tell him what a pile of steaming crap his and your right wing ideology is!!
You are like that ignorant lady called Naomi Klein, who thinks ALL conservatives are friedmanites. You should read something about Von Mises, Menger, Fekete and others to learn how diverse are free-marketers. However, did really conservatives follow Friedman ideas? For example, Friedman wanted to end war on drugs
What Greenspan did has nothing to do with free market. Even he can recognize it. And he was the guru, the "miracle man", during Clinton administration, together with Rubin and Summers.
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Neo liberal, New Right, Neo Con ideology has got us into this mess. You would think that supporters of neo liberalism who privatised, deregulated, liberalised and everything they could and generated the me first and fuck everybody else culture would show a little humility and shut the fuck up. Funny how these neo liberals want nationalization and state intervention now. The 'dead hand' of the state is ok now!!
Do you know what fiat money is? The reason we are in this crisis is the so called "deragulation" has rather been re-regulation. Our money is still monopolized by our goverments.
Oh dear the roll back the frontiers of the state, self help, free market, individualism, property owning democracy 'swinish multitude' neo liberal tossers are peddling their discedited crap on youtube. You are the ignorant pig. You fool!
If you think Hannan and his conservative veiws are wrong, just look at history. Liberal Carter and marxist views gave the USA 10million uemployed, lowered the GDP, sinking economy, double digit inflation, gas crisis (Wind fall taxes) and increased poverty!
Reagan gave us 21 million new jobs, trippled GDP, no inflation, reduced poverty, and the longest peace time economic growth in American history!
JFK was more conservative in his economic ideals aswell, and he also gave us great years...
If you don't like this brand of Politics, Start your own! Hannan, a member of Parliment, is exactly what is needed in the United States. Unfortunately, We have a bunch of power hungry, Self preserving, "Don't want to be seen as a racist" weak knee'd politicians that will be soon awakend by the sound of Pitchforks and torches rattling at the door! Cowards, all of them.
Is he reading a teleprompter? He seems to be speaking right from his head (and his heart). Unlike the leader of MY country who never leaves home without his!!
If you avoid tax, this is a crime. Hazel Blears avoided £13,000 of Capital Gains Tax.
If you make a claim on the public purse for a mortgage which no longer exists, this is also a crime. Elliot Morley did this for 18 mths, trousering £800 per mth - of our money.
A panel of Police & judiciary members has been set up to think about whether the police might need to investigate anything, or whether they shouldn't get involved at all. After 3 days, they're still not sure. LOL
WatchRyder, let us take the extreme Neo liberal / Libertarian case to its logical conclusion. Lets abolish regulatory employment legislation and re employ 5 year olds in factories and mines again. Re open work houses! Abolish the NHS, old age pensions and dole because they are so inhuman and so left wing!!!
And you can thank the sustained economic growth that Capitalism encourages to pay for your social welfare.
Why do you think China have only emerged as a world superpower since compromising their Socialist policies to pursue a competitive, Capitalist agenda?
Mickmars90 is on Mars with with the inference that the word Neo liberal was being used to "conflate" it with Neo Nazism!! Is he serious? Margaret Thatcher was a neo liberal who had more in common politically with Liberal Gladstone than the Tory Disraeli.
The CAP also condemns millions in Africa and Asia to poverty and starvation. If these subsidies were removed, we could reduce poverty rates massively in Africa. This is another example of why capitalism and free trade is the cure to poverty and penury, and another example of why socialist protectionism condemns millions to poverty and penury.
What an amazing comment! Here is an incisive intelligent orator showing that neo-socalist-nazism is alive and evilly sowing its seed. The word dumb, in your case, is a self-inflicted descriptor.
Composed, not spat!! Back up. I will tell you what i have got to back it up. Experience of living through and having to endure 30 years of the far right politicians like Hannan dominating and contaminating our politcal landscape. I am saddened that the Tory party is still churning out his type. Like i said earlier, there is a lot less to him than meets the eye!!! A limited and one dimentional and inferior politican.
If you think that having lived longer than us is some kind of testament to your political understanding, then you clearly have as little confidence in your own intelligence as we do.
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There is a lot less to him than meets the eye! Nothing more than a neo liberal, laissez faire, minimum state, reactionary, let the market forces and masters of the universe tosser! Its the likes of Daniel Hannan and his reactionary right wing ideology that has created the world depression we all find our selves in.
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What people are saying here about "the destruction of our farmers by the EU" is nonsense. The global free trade that Mr Hannan and I defend would very likely cause generic british farmers to disappear anyway, at least in the short run, due to competition from developing nations.
seppsters 2 months ago
Well... its empirically proven that EU will fail.
There were several atempts to do this. All have failed.
And consequences were severe.
Tholdrinn 4 months ago
Here in the United Kingdom I wonder why rich people think they're entitled to money that I've worked hard for. I'm writing of our membership of the corrupt European Union project that Daniel Hannan's Conservative Party are totally in favour of. Money is taken from my pocket via taxes - then given to the European Union - then that money finds its way into the bank accounts of rich Conservative Party land owners via the European Union Common Agricultural Policy handouts.
RedGoblinus 8 months ago
@RedGoblinus dont be such a moron - the CAP has been ripping off uk farmers for 20 years and subsidizing french farmers - the idea the any CAP money finds its way into conservative bank accounts is ludicrous - we pay them to farm, over produce and then dump on africa
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
@rugbyboy198127 Basically, our government is taking our taxes and giving them to the EU who then put the money into the bank accounts of rich Tory landowners. No wonder the Tories will never take us out of the EU as at the core of that political party is Britain's rich landowning elite. No surprise either that it was Tories that took us into the EEC in 1973 and Tories that signed us up to the EU - via the Maastricht Treaty - in 1992.
RedGoblinus 7 months ago
@RedGoblinus yes you're right lol i'll admit defeat - very surprising tho as one always thinks of the tories as being euro-sceptic etc whereas lab/lib dem are europhiles through and through, so who the bloody hell are we supposed to turn to in our hour of need? the whole thing sucks, as when one examines ukip policy a little further than its quite appropriate stance on europe, one finds some scary stuff etc in particular the immigration freeze they propose ie: work permits for all non-nationals?
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
@rugbyboy198127 You're not defeated - you're a little more enlightened. It's about time our government came forward with the true facts and costs concerning our membership of the European Union. The way I see it, we'd be better off out of the costly European Union and free to trade with the whole world again and on our own terms - as we were prior to 1973 and our entry into the EEC.
RedGoblinus 7 months ago
@RedGoblinus well yes but I can't help thinking that the problem is that the UK has such a peripheral role within the EU! It is ridiculous that the most powerful country in europe has such a minor role! Partly cos we weren't in from the beginning etc etc, I support an EU just not this current fascist mob posing as democracy, but I still think we need trade union and freedom of movement for workers etc to stand a chance of competing with china or the US, but I agree that UK has her commonwealth!?
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
@rugbyboy198127 Also, the geographical situation of the UK within the EU means that we'll get an increasingly peripheral role. As the centre - geographically - of the EU is Germany and it's no coincidence that they do best of all economically from EU membership. Much better for the UK to be outside the EU where we can benefit from trade with the superpower that is the USA and the Commonwealth countries.
RedGoblinus 7 months ago
@RedGoblinus well yes in principle lol unless the EU countries decide to punish the UK by freezing us ou of alot of their trade, but still we'd have the US and commonwealth so think we'd be ok! at least we'd be able to fish our own damn fishing grounds without having to share them with the entire EU! I must stop you on germany tho mate, she is propping up the entire EU with her industry and sound finances, she wants the deutsch-mark back and she doesn't do well out of EU, EU does well out of her
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
@rugbyboy198127 So you reckon germany was better off before she joint the e.u.
jrobertsoneff 6 months ago
@jrobertsoneff erm yeah mate - just a bit lol poor old germany - they've had such a rough ride since the dawn of their great nation - it's their destiny to be great! in fact if you exclude UK and scandanavia, then germany is the only country in europe with any worth whatsoever - with any worthy industry/engineering and with a viable financial system that doesn't rely on raping the third world over and over (I include UK in the rape, but not scandanavia) praise be to germany, from an honest brit!
rugbyboy198127 6 months ago
@RedGoblinus If the commonwealth dont buy our stuff we can always send an aircraft carrier.
jrobertsoneff 6 months ago
@jrobertsoneff hehe aw just noticed your comment soz - lol yeah you tickle me haha - erm yeah if we had any we could lol what have we become oh well we'll just have to put up with being bullied on international stage until we get some new carriers! Lucky we have the geographical british & irish isles - the throne of all thrones haha we may be poor an destitute in the future but at least we'll be safe!
rugbyboy198127 6 months ago
@jrobertsoneff bwt hip hip and a hooray - i'm loving watching murdock squirm and his empire beginning to crumble just in time for him to see it and know it before the nasty old bastard dies - what a wonderful summer! down with that git! trust me my family are aussies originally - his name's been mud in my house since i was crawling and beyond! if i ever saw him i'd spear tackle him maori-style or maybe i'd just go aussie rules on him - yeah man i'd love that lol
rugbyboy198127 6 months ago
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@jrobertsoneff erm yeah mate - just a bit lol poor old germany - they've had such a rough ride since the dawn of their great nation - it's their destiny to be great! in fact if you exclude UK and scandanavia, then germany is the only country in europe with any worth whatsoever - with any worthy industry/engineering and with a viable financial system that doesn't rely on raping the third world over and over (I include UK in the rape, but not scandanavia) praise be to germany, from an honest brit!
rugbyboy198127 6 months ago
i reckon if people want to make a classless society they are more than welcome, just not at my or anyone else who doesnt want to's expense... communes for example whats wrong with that, if collectivism is so great go and live in a commune with other likeminded people and if it works it works, just dont try and force it on the rest of us or try and finance your dreams from my pocket...
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 1 year ago 2
@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz You can take your money ,just gives us back our land
jrobertsoneff 1 year ago
@jrobertsoneff by which you mean?
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 1 year ago
Keep telling the truth Daniel Hannan!!! Love from Ireland.
uarecheap 1 year ago
He left out the USA who does the same with its farms ability to grow food, excess crops and of course through those price fixing. And it will continue with the officials cycling through the administration. Different so called breed of dog, but still a dog.
KingRyltar 1 year ago
GOSH, that guy is such a good orator!
alonelychild 1 year ago 2
If I remember right North Korea dosen't have any agricultural system left
v19d 1 year ago
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As bigoted, cycloptic, gold-dumping fat c*nt Gordon Brown clings to power, regardless of the fact Labour lost the election, dirty dealing goes on behind closed doors. A coalition government is in the offing.
As if that wanker should dare to subvert Democracy! But then ballot rigging by all means is Labour's specialty! They've done nothing but ruin the nation and now they want to carry on 'illegally'.
Paste title: NEW LABOUR'S TOTALITARIAN ANTI-CHRIST DRUG DEALERS
TheDustpile 1 year ago
A classless society is a society where you have nothing to live for, nothing to aspire to, nobody to look up to and learn from, and where every untalented lazy twit makes sure you do not rise above them.
aronswritingdeskyt 1 year ago 7
CAP is in no way Marxist. This really is an ignorant attack on the CAP. It is strongly regionalist, yes, but it does not need to collectivised farming, it actually enhances competition within Europe.
imamazed 1 year ago
Can someone please explain to me why the British Conservative party and the BNP do not make a coalition, which would mean two parties in one but still two parties, in Australia John howard did that for 10 yrs, they both have numbers and similar ideas. can someone please explin?????
TheNortherntribe 2 years ago
@TheNortherntribe The Conservative have no interest in associating themselves with an allegedly racist party such as the BNP. Full stop.
1957Rotu 2 years ago 4
Daniel you are so right about Gordon Brown, about our economy, about Europe, the destruction of our farmers by the EU and about the steadily encroaching Marxist.Fascist spread of EU controls into everuthing they can. Please what can we do about it? Yes vote if and when we get the chance, but will we be able to change this appalling down slide of logic and freedom?
jennhodge1 2 years ago 7
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Lord Acton
Celticsbball15 2 years ago 3
"pinickityme" says.. "Long live Fidel". Well I've got some news for you. Socialist systems are all about control. They are all about saying you have no control over your life. Think about that. Just for one second, think about that. "Fidel kicked out the ruling elite", yes, but to only be replaced by another one! Would you prefer hope, or, being told what to do, because they think it's good for you, or would you prefer to be trusted to make your own mind up? Just think!
MrCaptainFab 2 years ago 2
Re: MrCap'tF
"What Socialist countries are out of control"? I thought all countries are having economic difficulties. My argument is that no one ideology has given us the 'answers". Socialism apparently strips entrepreneurs of the motivation to prosper in a competitive world. Whilst greed has sunk unrestricted Capitalism. Moreover, if your measurement of "freedom" is to think for oneself then we are all "free".
pinickityme 2 years ago
@pinickityme Idiot! Socialism has long been discredited.
zinpgh 2 years ago 3
Daniel Hannan rocks!!!!!
totallytempo 2 years ago
Re: tt
What Hannan doesn't say is that the EU destroys some home-grown food stocks due to a determination to be self-sufficient, this, rather than chance unreliable food supplies should there ever be another World War.
As for depriving the 3rd World of a market, keeping the 3rd World impoverished. What bollocks!! It is the so called "free market" that does this.
Hannan is just R Murdoch's anti EU mouth piece & all because the EU refuses to let RM monopolise the EU media with his Sky crap.
pinickityme 2 years ago
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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fidel Castro led a revolution that kicked out the Cuban ruling elite who didn't mind getting rich running that beautiful country as a bordello for fat rich dirty old yanks.
Hannan & his ideas stink. Me thinks he just wants to get rich & by touting the crap he does will probably make him so because all too many out there in gaga land seem to be so misinformed that they swallow this bullshit.
Long live Fidel....................
pinickityme 2 years ago
Lol. Long live Fidel eh?? In the beginning I thought you were moderate. I guess not.
Communism has benn thoroughly discredited as an ideology. The only Communist countries that do well, are those who are communist in name only like China and Vietnam.
totallytempo 2 years ago
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Castro is the perfect foil to the USA's unrestrained dirty Capitalism. And right on it's doorstep. Oh how the US right wing hate Cuba as it proves that Capitalism is not the only way.
As for Communism; Stalin gave it a bad name as a consequence of his being the paranoid man he was.
Whilst Castro's offer of 500 trained medics after Katrina,
although quite likely meant to ideologically embarrass Bush, were, for ideological reasons, declined. But ask yourself who suffered.
pinickityme 2 years ago
Re: tt
As for me; generally speaking it is my opinion that for the benefit of humankind, a compromise is ever the best solution [whilst that it is the exception that proves the rule]. This since absolute truth is a concept only the God's understand. And they are imaginary. I think...........................
pinickityme 2 years ago
Re: tt
With regards that you should LoL at the idea of Fidel Castro.
Castro got rid of a ruling elite that were quite happy making their fortunes out of running that beautiful country as a bordello that could be exploited by a whole bunch of rich, fat American perverts. Personally I respect why the Cuban revolutionaries did what they did. You may not. That is you choice.
pinickityme 2 years ago
I'm sure the ones who got shot by Che Guevera love Fidel and his utopia Communist state you sick twisted mind.
Jbroks86 2 years ago
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pinickityme 2 years ago
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[or to clarify my, incensed by your simplistic outlook, illiteracy]
Would you advocate that Cuba should have remained the "bordello play thing" for fat perverted old yanks that wanted a cheap fuck at the expense of poor Cubans.
pinickityme 2 years ago
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pinickityme 2 years ago
fuck capitalism beacuse corruption, &others bads effects &if remember karl marx ,engels socialism deutschland , dankeucheun ,
shawnee2014 2 years ago
At 0:07 the guy is holding his head like "oh crap"
fluff125 2 years ago
Hannan... GO TO UKIP!!!!
STOPTHEEU 2 years ago 2
Agreed, He'd fit in so much better there
tau000 1 year ago
jeez....its just been reported that he died this afternoon from heart failure
poppysmith11 2 years ago
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This guy is a psychological victim of the cold war.
I've watched 3 of his video's, and he's obsessed with STOPPING THE RED MENACE OMG UR BEIN A COMMUNIST.
Its sad when morons like this can't tell the difference between fascism and socialism and confuse the two
sketchydc 2 years ago
fascism communism or socialism who would want any of them? you sir strain on an elephant but get choked on the gnat
tvicena 2 years ago
FUCK CAPITALISM.
meatymouldia 2 years ago
Your hesitating mr Hannan
AndrewBenMcKay 2 years ago
Those on the left need to accept that utopia is not an option. Under any form of government there will be poverty, disease, crime, economic recessions, etc. A free society and free market offers the greatest opportunities and highest quality of life for all people, of every socioeconomic class.
"A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." - Thomas Jefferson
scof05 2 years ago
Grayling57, you say that Capitalism fails, but it doesn't. The US did not collapse as the USSR did, and the reason the PRC is growing so fast is because it abandoned Maoism for a strange Chinese hybrid of Communism and Capitalism. Capitalism, in actual fact de-centralizes power, and gives it to us through money. Socialism centralizes that power, and as history has shown, that always ends badly.
Thwacker71 2 years ago 3
so money de-centralizes power? Is that why the history of the so-called free press is basically funnell-shaped? The more money in media, the more power has centralised. Not a theory. A fact. I chose that as one example, but really you know this already, just look at the rise in supermarket chains. Years ago the services they provide now would have been delivered by smaller chains locally run. For some, money is the currency of emancipation. For others, it is the currency of hegemonia.
ungered 2 years ago
No, what I said was, the more money you give to the Government, the more is wasted by an inefficient bureaucracy, and the less power normal people have.
Money = Power Give money to Government = Centralizing power
Capitalism lets people keep their own money, so they can generate more wealth with it.
Thwacker71 2 years ago
Doesn't it? oh dear - then the global recession is another lie? The 2% interest rate on my nest egg is just the banking systems way of slowing my personal economy - no jaccuzi this year dear and cancel my north Korean holiday! I don't mean capitalism as a political doctrine in this context - capitalists can and do run with whatever suits so it's not so strange that China acts that way. I agree centralised power corrupts but that ain't unique to socialism - remember UK in the 80s - Thatcher!
Grayling57 2 years ago
No offence but I think you're seizing the moral high ground here somewhat by bringing your own, unfortuante circumstances into the equation.
I believe in personalised social security, one pays as much or as little into an account as they want to.
I would advocate an excess of say £500 on our National health insurance to enable people to have holistic medicine etc.
So with your 48 years of tax paying you would be able to buy top notch healthcare.
theporksicle 2 years ago
Sorry - it was on reflction a cheap shot. Your ideas do, on a basic level make sense if everyone has the same opportunity to partake. Otherwise we would have a mult i- tiered system like USA - who wants that? - Dan! do I see a raised hand?
Grayling57 2 years ago
I think what I want, note I'm not sure myself (although I'm damned sure I dislike the present system), is a less arbitrary system, a more flexible system for patients & the unemployed and more responsibility in the hands of the working man and less in the hands of irresponsible, uninvolved, reckless government bureaucrats.
The only way I see us acheiving this is by giving more control over things like social security and healthcare to the end user.
theporksicle 2 years ago
kind of like freedom to partake in a market place that delivers value and values. the best that your money can buy?
tvicena 2 years ago
For me it really boils down to this, who do you think cares about you more, YOU or a government bureaucrat who deals with hundreds of cases like yours every year and doesn't see the person behind it?
Our system was revolutionary when it began, it no doubt improved people's qualtiy of life, at least most people's, but its outdated now and needs to be reworked.
Its such a taboo in this country to discuss healthcare reform that people like Hannan are very rare.
theporksicle 2 years ago 2
Precisely! Though 'Chaps' like Mr Hannan are not that rare, they're just not on US TV. They're great at speeches and acting hard. The books and articles they write put forward compelling arguements. But they are the products of an underlying dogma that has eroded Britain's status as a world leader and has us hating europe - instead of leading it. As our influence weakens we cling to the shirt tail of the US. They are meddlers who leave a mess behind as they sail off on to sell more books.
Grayling57 2 years ago
Seems to me people like Hannan are pointing out the causes of the mess at hand, rather than making new ones. And he's not sailing anywhere... he's showing up the next day at work.
Ledbetta77 2 years ago
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I cannot believe you support this cock muncher, who masturbates over enoch powell speeches, fucking idiot
conservative75 2 years ago
What a fool, you attack the NHS, you attack the values and principles of the people of the UK. No political party will hold office here whilst threatening the existence of the NHS. (Ask David Cameron... Your Boss!)
Your metioric rise to Yourube fame is matched by your ability to nose dive into European obscurity (For the Americans watching this moron, he just did a Caruso, and we certainly won't be offering him a new vehicle for his worthless talents)
swebb51 2 years ago
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Capitalism fails - Dan Blames socialism
Solcialism fails - Dan Blames socialism
Dan Blames the poor
Dan Blames the needy
Dan hates public services
Dan hates anything that ain't run for profit
Dan loves the rich the mean and the greedy Fat Cats, hedge funders, bankers on the make
I'd love Dan to take a one-way plane ride back to the lake (Titticaca).
Grayling57 2 years ago
The needy? You mean the leaches? Don't get me wrong, the hedge fund managers are leaches in their own way, but so is every person who bleeds dry the taxpayer.
Public services? Not really, most people who don't use the NHS still have to pay for it, how is that beneficial?
theporksicle 2 years ago
Oh yes! That would be me then - after a life of work, Army service and tax paying at 48 years old I find I have Parkinson's Disease - lose my job as a senior manager and go from being a fit outdoor type to a virtual cripple - now due to the princely sum of £70 p/w I get in benefit I'm a leech as well - I might get a job at the NHS, Now I must find a jar to crawl into - ah there's one - next to the stone you came from under.
Grayling57 2 years ago
? So......because I don't want to be forced to finance other people's healthcare I'm a bad person?
theporksicle 2 years ago
u wish that europe in the next 100 years has an efficient agricultural system like Cuba..
fayaztarin 2 years ago
you cannot get a catholic run school to teach any other doctrine than jesus is the savior....same goes for government schools in regard to the government...subtract the amount of monetary return you have received from government social programs from the amount of taxes you have paid to fund them on a personal level....would you need anyone for anything non catastrophic is that amount were in a simple savings account? is that really the "fairness" you were after? pay people to be poor....
lukyll 2 years ago
Unfortunately, the natural state of mankind is towards collectivism, which enivitably leads down the path of corruption and tyranny.
It sounds stupid, but if you look at history, Freedom is a relatively new idea. The majority of the world and its people have lived under tyranny and opressors, and the EU is heading that way, fast. We need principles and pragmatism in our politics, not morality and equality. Thanks, Mr Hannan.
pragmatismnotidealis 2 years ago 24
Yes, I agree. The way that New Labour the EU is running things would make classic liberal theorists like Mill cry. Infallibilism as a concept makes little sense, so why should we trust unelected, irrevokable EU leaders to decide what is best for our country and our countrymen? When did we, the British public, give the go ahead to Federalism? Why should we simply agree that far-left statist concepts are right when there seems to be little to no logical proof behind them?
BGH122 2 years ago
Did you know Lord Mandelson used to be a member of the Young Communist League, then the youth wing of the Communist Party of Great Britain.
I'm sure these roots or ideas must be why europes going in the direction it is.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago 6
I like social democracy. That is what i like. A mixed economy, properly run public services, hospitals, schools and welfare services. Progressive taxation, redistribution of wealth and egalitarianism. A fair and just society!
garriphillips 2 years ago
that is why europe is in deep trouble. no offense, but i think those who love wellfare are lazy bums who can't get up and make a living... America, even with its flaws, is better than europe any day. Here we have the best colleges and schools. We have the more diverse economy. We have the best healthcare (people don't die on waiting lines because they're too old or the government is too slow-that happens in europe.) Theres a reason for the large europeans flocking to the USa every year.
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
Yeah, because everything is cheaper there, that's the only reason. You may think free-market capitalism and America are brilliant (and you probably suck on Bill O' Reilly's prick most days), but thanks to free-market American corporatism you (along with the UK) have contributed singlehandedly to global poverty. But of course the free-market benefits westerners the most, so everyone (including you) is too selfish to care about that.
stalinised 2 years ago
You can beleive that if you want, however in reality when a business moves to an area it gives jobs, and that creates prosperity.
The reason Africa is in poverty is because they aren't actually doing work there. The waste they receive is because they willingly accept it. A few years of suffering with electronic waste then, they'll upgrade to better business.
To walk a mile you must first take a step.
For some reason you seem to believe everyone should be at the finish together.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago 2
Degrading the whole world is not the answer, we should elevate other nations. Yet giving money and comming up with this ideas is not the answer.
It goes back to the whole fishing rod saying
Give a man a fish he eats for a day
Give him a rod and he'll eat for a lifetime.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
You are wrong. I could talk extremely in depth about how the global economy works, but I could not merely explain it on just this comment. If you actually are interested in what I think about it (you seem pretty level-headed actually, especially compared to stoya'starsandstripes'kavick) then I will message you about it.
stalinised 2 years ago
U.S. donates the mosta nd gives the most to the world, so yea we care. systems like ur socialist and marxist beliefs are what contribute to world poverty-don't try and get around ut by balming countries which are successful...
You my friend stalinised are an idiot. Thatcher and Reagan reduced poverty in both our countries. Get the fucking facts and get ur ass up and work-it is not oyt fault the world believes in ur ideology... thanks to people like you, the world is poor...
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
Thirty years of Thatcher and Reaganism has become a busted flush! Neo liberalism, Neo conservatism, laissez faire -ism has run its course my friend. Look at the state intervention in the USA now. Do you see how economic intervention can keep your "American dream" going. FD Roosevelt realised the limitations of undiluted capitlism and watered it down with interventinary "big government" New Deal strategy in the 1930's.. The world regressed between 1979 and 2008.
garriphillips 2 years ago
I do work, you fucking predjudice arsehole.
stalinised 2 years ago
BTW stalinised, you marxists always want heaven on earth-something which is not possible... U liberals have tried to make earth a utopia, but you always make it worse. I may sound selfish- but i only care about my nation-i could care less about a despotic nation in africa which does not know how to run their economy... Avionic was right... U my friend are listening to "experts" who are just ideologs... take make global poverty go away ur pals will make us all poor... FACT
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
Yup, you're definitely selfish. Reflects absolutely everything you believe in.
stalinised 2 years ago
Also, as previously mentioned, I am not a marxist. And the fact you call me a marxist AND a liberal in the same sentence is absolutely hilarious...because the two terms are OBVIOUSLY the exact same thing. Did you actually read a word of what I wrote or did you just garble out conservative rhetoric before you took it all in?
stalinised 2 years ago
I'm so sorry, but i guess i took ur previous comments wrong on how u continued to deffend Marxism... Hmmm... Sorry. I want to see how ur little plan will benifit the world-when it always hurts the countries that it is tried in... If it can't fix a country, how the fuck will it help the world... enough said... Georgia uses capitalism, now its no longer a poor nation-DOES it cause poverty in other countries? Maybe if other countries just follow the system that WORKS maybe global poverty will fall
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
I actually don't think it will benefit the world, I just happen to think it's inevitable. As previously mentioned, it is highly rational if you take into account for all human history. Whether I think it is right or wrong is irrelevant. However, you are very wrong about global poverty. UK and US own all major corporations in developing countries, therefore depriving them of any real opportunity to gain profit. Although there are obviously far more complexities involved.
stalinised 2 years ago
Setting up shop in developing countries allows people to expand and create wealth. (as little as it may be) Self sufficiency and the creation of wealth that is what most government deny thier people thereby rendering them 'undeveloped' nations. Get it?
951pete 2 years ago
But that's kinda hard to do cus other countries have high crime and despotic leaders who won't change the government. There's also war and desases that create poverty... Hmmm, funny right-LETS talk REALISM! There are other factors that would make ur lil plan a stupid idea... The ony to make it work is to make every nation change to the right system or make a world currency-which would have disiasterous affects... I believe in the system that helps my people-not hurt them.
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
what 'plan'? I don't have a 'plan'. Did I ever mention a plan? No. And when you say 'your people' you basically mean fellow Americans and westerners. At least I consider a system that helps people globally.
stalinised 2 years ago
WHAT SYSTEM IS THAT!? No system will help us globally... There are too many problems and factors like war, crime, desease, civil wars, lack of a working population, despots, communist nations, nations with no resources, and so on... too bad for the world-i like the system that won't hurt me and my people because of the pathetic mistakes and leaderships of other countries.
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
ENOUGH said... U blame free market capitalism on our problems now, but you lack the knowledege to see that it was liberal bills, values, and spending that killed us... I could explain it to u in a message. Ur pals are idiots.
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
my PALS? when did I ever mention my pals? And what makes you think my pals agree with anything that I do? I'm actually going to stop this - you are not only ignorant, but you have completely made things up out of thin air and jumped to conclusions, particularly towards my personal lifestyle, that you know nothing about. As you Americans say, have a nice day.
stalinised 2 years ago
btw us americans say-GO FUCK OFF-earth is not a utopia and we won't allow idiots like u to ruin or prosperity to help a world which has fucked itself over... The fact that you didn't even read the message i sent you-shows your ignorance.
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
Thatcher actually was directly responsible for 6 million people unemployed...the highest it had ever been until this recent recession. But my point in the first place was that it was directly responsible for poverty GLOBALLY. yes, globally - stop thinking about how much you want to bumfuck your own country for once and think about the bigger picture, yeah? And also, just because I believe a classless society is inevitable does not mean I agree with Marxism, before you jump to conclusions.
stalinised 2 years ago
who told you that stalinised? Wait-you're a lying dumbass. I've heard enough. Last time i checked , Thatcher created jobs... At least you were smart enough not to say shit about Reagan. BTW FDR's New Deal failed... IRS reports, census reports, and his own treasury admitts it. You are lost-Avionic was right...
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
It's just a very heavily dependant monetary system. However i suppose thats a substitute for peoples skills.
I wonder if America will ever go back to Green back.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
I wish Sweden had as good MEPs as Daniel.
mradder2 2 years ago
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Comparing Cuba and North korea to marxism is plain idiocy.
stalinised 2 years ago
well...thats by definition, is what they are.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
they are not whatsoever. Have you actually read the communist manifesto? What Stalin, Castro, Lenin etc did in the 20th Century is absolutely nothing compared to the scientific theory that Marx wrote. Comparing the two is actually a disgrace to what is originally in fact a very rational idea.
stalinised 2 years ago
Yes i've skimmed through Marxism and i'm sure he'll be horrified by what they did. However, i unlike a lot of people in the world accept that i'm not 100% right. What i believe is the world works in cycles. For a few years we need left, then for a few years we need right.
However to rely on the right to pick up this discusting mess is wrong.
In addition when a centralised identity represents a nation, what happens to the hammers that stick out?
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
If you're a nation trying to galvanise your people then marxism works, yet only if you have a single direction.
The problem is there is no direction. The politions are too stupid to lead.
In addition under a marxist ecconomy new ideas will not flurish. Push power back to the people. Or balance the areas with right and left ideolgies
I think farming should be open to competing methods to increase output for cost.
Whereas medicine we should unite against nature + cost isn't an issue
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
There will be class conflict, because people aren't born equally. Some are gifted, be it in Arts, linguistics or science.
I believe in a social net to pick up people in their times of needs, i believe exploitation is wrong. Yet no matter how hard you try there will always be those that are able to achieve more, and they can talk their way through most strugles + get people to do their work.
To avoid class conflicts we could subjegate robots. Yet we need the knowledge & abundance.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
People are born equally. People aren't biologically gifted towards any subject.
stalinised 2 years ago
Well....i think if we were to be pedantic about it, we can see that people aren't born equal, some are inclide to be better at certain things. For example some people have flat feet some have arches...ect, which can affect them in certain physical subjects. In addition people's brains are wired differently.
However for the philosophical arguement, we can say everyone is born equal...yet we find that during their upbringing they get certain benefits or disadvantages that shape their character.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
The constitution says we are created equal... But it reffers to us being created equal under the LAW-not a socialist utopia... U my friend are telling the truth...
"The constitution does not garuntee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up to it yourself."- Benjamin Franklin.
"I predict furture happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them" - Thomas Jefferson.
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
Yes a lot of people are fueled by envy of others, or the hate of others...and they want to take ...and take.
Whereas i believe in creating my own prosperity.
Good quotes my friend.
"Arcanum Arcanorum"
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
I've read Karl Marx's quotes. I've read part of that pathetic manefesto... Logical idea? Funny thing is, you must have a reading problem, but Lenin and Castro all praised Marx and did what Marx would've done... Marxism is a failure-Ronald Reagan knew it and thats why he gave us the longest economic espansion in American history... BTW he did read the manifisto and he thought it was a load of BS... Go home-marxism is nothing compared to free market capitalism which fails when government gets in.
Stoyakovick47 2 years ago
I am home thank you. Marx's scientific theory predicted that the revolution would only be successful after free market capitalism. Did that happen in Russia? no. Did that happen in Cuba? no. Did that happen in China? no. Secondly Marx spoke of revolution by global means, whereas in the 3 above countries it was ridiculed by dictators that in fact had more in common with totalitarianism than any classless society Marx talked about. As I said before, I still don't believe you have read it.
stalinised 2 years ago
So you're saying it failed, but that was because of the people that tried to implement it.
Which is why i'm saying it will always fail, because these people are doomed to repeat their mistakes.
Totalitarianism is where we are heading.
The abuse of technology can not last, we'll stop the abuse of propaganda, we'll stop the abuse of official all embracing ideology.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
So you think we will always live a life of capitalism? Historically, if you look through the human ages pre-and-post industrialisation, evidence suggests that it is me that is correct. We've only had capitalism for 200-odd years, and the obvious friction between classes (which can't really be denied) says to me that it cannot last for ever. Whether it's a marxist, classless society or not is a different matter - but I think out of all the theories out there, it seems the most rational.
stalinised 2 years ago
I don't see how a classless society is possible. It's just established that not everyone is equal.Some people are mor industrious than others, some people are lazy, inevitably some people will have more worth to society than others. A classless society eliminates incentive to be that industrious person, the person that goes to college and becomes an astrophysicist or whatever. Also it seems to me that all attempts at establishing classless societies have failed so far so how would it work now?
rjfrjf65 2 years ago 39
@rjfrjf65 It simply cannot work, and for so many reasons. One of the most fundamental being human nature. It is in our make up to be competitive, to want to become better, to be selfish and look out for ourselves - TO BE FREE. And i have no problem with that.
Tracywithafacey 1 year ago
@rjfrjf65
A classless society relies heavily on enlightenment of the human masses.
But enlightenment is something to be individually achieved, not enforced by government.
Which is probably why the most serious bringers of enlightenment and charity prefer entrepreneurship, not government positions(i.e Christ, Buddha).
sentilopis 1 year ago
@rjfrjf65 You assume that everybody in the lower class is there due to laziness and not for other reasons, such as exclusion from decent edution and economic opportunities.
CzarKirk 11 months ago
@CzarKirk yes, people in lower classes have less opportunity than those who grow up with more infrastructure around them, though the ones who have more infrastructure around them generally do so because their ancestors fought their way out of poverty. You seem to have been brainwashed into thinking the poverty trap is unescapable. If you want all to have equal opportunity, you must accept that not all will choose to take opportunity given to them. Thus they will sit in the lower economic class.
ConspiracyLoon 10 months ago
@ConspiracyLoon No you sound like you have brainwashed yourself into not having to bother caring about other people. I'm actually a moderatist. You yourself accept that lower classes have less opportunity, and also point out that not everybody takes the opportunities presented to them. Both points are not mutually exclusive. Polarized thinking is dangerous. "They probably wouldn't take those opportunities anyway, so I don't need to feel bad about not providing them." Is that what you think?
CzarKirk 10 months ago
@CzarKirk I'm happy to express: 'No, that is not what I think'. I believe that most think that they are 'moderatist', this is not necessarily based upon the media defined 'centrist ground' of political ideology. Everyone likes to believe their perceptions are balanced. I saying you are creating opportunity or taking away opportunity is far too vague, 'opportunity to do what?' is the question I ask. If your answer is: 'to gain financial security', then I believe (1/2)
ConspiracyLoon 10 months ago
@ConspiracyLoon the opportunity is there/always has been. The critical factors which appear to determine people's abilities to gain financial security are a combination of genetic disposition and nurture (which indeed includes education). Education will never be equal unless the family unit is destroyed. I personally believe that it doesn't matter what type of educational establishment is present, key learning comes from the home. Access to educational materials are available to all. (2/2)
ConspiracyLoon 10 months ago
@rjfrjf65 for me you misunderstand the meaning of the term class entirely, one cannot buy class, one does not inherit class when one finishes university/gets a job as an 'astro-physicist' - class is about manner, behaviour, morality, it is possible for the poorest of men to ooze class whilst the richest of the rich has none! it's akin to the indian notion of nobility - one could climb the castes due to one's behaviour - don't let the modern 'class/caste' systems fool you for they hi-jack words
rugbyboy198127 10 months ago
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One can inherit class. That's the main way of doing it.
StanleyDonwood 7 months ago
@StanleyDonwood you miss-understand the meaning of class completely mate... you're talking about to which 'class' one belongs, I'm talking about having class - two very different things... the british class system is very mobile, some people who went on to 'crown' the upper 'classes', started life in the lower 'classes' Oscar Wilde for one off the top of my head - it is possible in one lifetime, nevermind a generation, to rise right through 'class' system, also to fall right through it actually!
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
@rjfrjf65 it was difficult for me to imagine at first as well, it will only happen when a critical majority of people awake from their spiritual comas and remember we're spirits first, humans second. But honestly we simply live in a monetary system wherein the top .01 percent of people stockpile 99% of the resources. This wealth could easily be evenly disseminated, but first we as individuals we need to start looking for opportunities to give; we need to make a domain of pure selflessness.
mark32811 9 months ago
@rjfrjf65 also abolish the "ownership" mentality. With our hereditary ownership system, an immense majority of power and wealth has accumulated in very few hands. Naturally, these individuals are supremely intelligent and spiritually aware. Imagine how simple it would be to manipulate other humans if you were in touch with your immortality? Thinking in terms of eternities while the masses remain lost in doubt and hopelessness.
mark32811 9 months ago
@rjfrjf65 of course some humans will always be better than others - tis nature's way! but the point is it doesn't have to be a class system - we should be grateful for any advantage we have and use that to help others not to distinguish ourselves from others - that's 'otherness' - for me it's like equality - of course we're not all equal but we all have the right to equal opportunity based on merit (ie intelligence and aptitude) class system you speak of not based on merit, based on inheritance!
rugbyboy198127 6 months ago
@stalinised Marx predicted it would be a natural occurance after free market capitalism but it didn't happen. Maybe, just maybe, Marx, one human being, was wrong. Maybe his theory was rational, but based on incorrect assumptions. Communism was an 19th century solution to Victorian era social problems. The next big thing after capitalism I sure hope is better than this exploitive system we have now, but I seriously doubt it will be old hat Marxism. Look to the future!
CzarKirk 10 months ago
And by the way, who was the first to instigate this globalisation and development of global poverty. Oh yeah, your great friend Mr. Reagan, and our great friend Mrs. Thatcher.
stalinised 2 years ago
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Oh dear more evangelical new right, new right, neo cons peddling their bankrupt politcal ideas. I have got only one good thing to say about the lot of them........Goodbye and good riddence!!!
garriphillips 2 years ago
Jack straw fan, lol. Even when labour mess up, you seem to think they are imbued to succeed. Their ideology is required, however there grand ideas are un substainable. They Squander their money.
I'm bet you live in a city and don't know how the food source is being stretched, and slowly your diet will be very restricted, if nothing is done.
Avionicgenius 2 years ago
How does an MEP exclaim their point when no one is seemingly there to hear it? Good job for sticking up for farmers but who is there to listen?
JmeAllenUK 2 years ago 10
By the simple fact that his point was put on Youtube, the whole world now has access to it. That may be enough to make a change.
tlingnat 2 years ago 3
Elliot Morley, one of the MP mortgage fraudsters has announced he is going to stay in his post until the next election, as I think all the other 12 have said. These dishonest and disgraced MP's MUST GO NOW, NOT IN ONE YEAR'S TIME. IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. They must not be allowed to decide their own fate in this way, nor to rack up a further £1m plus of expense to the taxpayer by staying, they are totally taking the p*ss again.
daviduk40 2 years ago
EU=Communism in disguise
DumblyBrilliant 2 years ago
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phrek75 2 years ago
Hi DreadLaw2. I blew your brains out did i with my comments! From what you posted onto youtube , if your brains was made of an explosive substance, it would not cause an explotion big enough to blow your hat off!!! Workers of the world unite!!!
garriphillips 2 years ago
I am actually half Scottish myself, but I hereby give all English people (or at least half of them anyway!) permission to call Gordon Brown a fat, useless, one-eyed Scottish idiot! Go on, I promise I will not say you are racist.
(My brother's fat, and my cat's only got one eye, and they also give their permission, so it's not fattist or monocularist either. I am sorry to any other useless idiots though, it was a bit harsh to compare them to Gordon Brown.
daviduk40 2 years ago
There is a role for markets and private enterprise and a role for the state and state intervention. People are not commodities or speadsheet units. We look after the sick, the old, the unemployed no matter what the cost. We should never allow exploitation. Society must be fair, just and egalitarian comrade.
garriphillips 2 years ago
Wow, you blew my mind. People are not spreadsheet units, but we should explot people to "help" those spreadsheet statistics, but we shouldn't exploit people, but we should be "fair" (i take it that's the socialist term, the rich should pay more, just as in unequal and egalitarian as interventionist for the needy). Your post is meaningless self-contradictary garbage.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
Neo liberals, new right, neo cons! Listen to Greenspan, YOUR GURU, giving an explanation to Congress as to what he thought had gone wrong with the economy. It is embarresing. I wish Milton Friedman, another one of your gurus was alive so we could all personally tell him what a pile of steaming crap his and your right wing ideology is!!
garriphillips 2 years ago
You are like that ignorant lady called Naomi Klein, who thinks ALL conservatives are friedmanites. You should read something about Von Mises, Menger, Fekete and others to learn how diverse are free-marketers. However, did really conservatives follow Friedman ideas? For example, Friedman wanted to end war on drugs
xaviqaz 2 years ago 3
What Greenspan did has nothing to do with free market. Even he can recognize it. And he was the guru, the "miracle man", during Clinton administration, together with Rubin and Summers.
xaviqaz 2 years ago
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Neo liberal, New Right, Neo Con ideology has got us into this mess. You would think that supporters of neo liberalism who privatised, deregulated, liberalised and everything they could and generated the me first and fuck everybody else culture would show a little humility and shut the fuck up. Funny how these neo liberals want nationalization and state intervention now. The 'dead hand' of the state is ok now!!
garriphillips 2 years ago
Do you know what fiat money is? The reason we are in this crisis is the so called "deragulation" has rather been re-regulation. Our money is still monopolized by our goverments.
aekel66 2 years ago 2
Oh dear the roll back the frontiers of the state, self help, free market, individualism, property owning democracy 'swinish multitude' neo liberal tossers are peddling their discedited crap on youtube. You are the ignorant pig. You fool!
garriphillips 2 years ago
If you think Hannan and his conservative veiws are wrong, just look at history. Liberal Carter and marxist views gave the USA 10million uemployed, lowered the GDP, sinking economy, double digit inflation, gas crisis (Wind fall taxes) and increased poverty!
Reagan gave us 21 million new jobs, trippled GDP, no inflation, reduced poverty, and the longest peace time economic growth in American history!
JFK was more conservative in his economic ideals aswell, and he also gave us great years...
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DaNo07HK 2 years ago
If you don't like this brand of Politics, Start your own! Hannan, a member of Parliment, is exactly what is needed in the United States. Unfortunately, We have a bunch of power hungry, Self preserving, "Don't want to be seen as a racist" weak knee'd politicians that will be soon awakend by the sound of Pitchforks and torches rattling at the door! Cowards, all of them.
BipolarProject 2 years ago 2
Is he reading a teleprompter? He seems to be speaking right from his head (and his heart). Unlike the leader of MY country who never leaves home without his!!
thresetky 2 years ago 5
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If you avoid tax, this is a crime. Hazel Blears avoided £13,000 of Capital Gains Tax.
If you make a claim on the public purse for a mortgage which no longer exists, this is also a crime. Elliot Morley did this for 18 mths, trousering £800 per mth - of our money.
A panel of Police & judiciary members has been set up to think about whether the police might need to investigate anything, or whether they shouldn't get involved at all. After 3 days, they're still not sure. LOL
daviduk40 2 years ago
Recent polls have shown the following :
70% of Austrians want the EU to be a loose grouping of national states that trade together with no further integration.
74% of Germans think the EU has too much power.
84% of Brits would like the EU to remain a trading block only.
Neither the un-elected commission nor the parliament speak for us.
Don't give the EU `parliament´the legitimacy it craves...either don't vote at all or vote for UKIP .
Spenner56 2 years ago 3
Here, here!
BipolarProject 2 years ago
Have any of you read marx , no , i thought not
thomasharriman 2 years ago
WatchRyder, let us take the extreme Neo liberal / Libertarian case to its logical conclusion. Lets abolish regulatory employment legislation and re employ 5 year olds in factories and mines again. Re open work houses! Abolish the NHS, old age pensions and dole because they are so inhuman and so left wing!!!
garriphillips 2 years ago
More capitalism doesn't mean less technology and wealth. Even if a primitive form of capitalism came into existence before we had all this wealth.
Your logic is non-existant btw.
aekel66 2 years ago
And you can thank the sustained economic growth that Capitalism encourages to pay for your social welfare.
Why do you think China have only emerged as a world superpower since compromising their Socialist policies to pursue a competitive, Capitalist agenda?
You stupid ignorant pig.
alexjholland 2 years ago 4
Mickmars90 is on Mars with with the inference that the word Neo liberal was being used to "conflate" it with Neo Nazism!! Is he serious? Margaret Thatcher was a neo liberal who had more in common politically with Liberal Gladstone than the Tory Disraeli.
garriphillips 2 years ago
The CAP also condemns millions in Africa and Asia to poverty and starvation. If these subsidies were removed, we could reduce poverty rates massively in Africa. This is another example of why capitalism and free trade is the cure to poverty and penury, and another example of why socialist protectionism condemns millions to poverty and penury.
Mickmars90 2 years ago 3
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This guy is disgusting. He makes me want to spew.
Who's paying his bills? Which private corporation has him in their pockets?
Dumb as they come.
janebusby 2 years ago
What an amazing comment! Here is an incisive intelligent orator showing that neo-socalist-nazism is alive and evilly sowing its seed. The word dumb, in your case, is a self-inflicted descriptor.
rjwill24 2 years ago
the communist Agricultural Policy must go.
and the rest of the left wing morons should get up and leave the house of commons before they do more damage to our country!
sambill 2 years ago
Composed, not spat!! Back up. I will tell you what i have got to back it up. Experience of living through and having to endure 30 years of the far right politicians like Hannan dominating and contaminating our politcal landscape. I am saddened that the Tory party is still churning out his type. Like i said earlier, there is a lot less to him than meets the eye!!! A limited and one dimentional and inferior politican.
garriphillips 2 years ago
If you think that having lived longer than us is some kind of testament to your political understanding, then you clearly have as little confidence in your own intelligence as we do.
alexjholland 2 years ago
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There is a lot less to him than meets the eye! Nothing more than a neo liberal, laissez faire, minimum state, reactionary, let the market forces and masters of the universe tosser! Its the likes of Daniel Hannan and his reactionary right wing ideology that has created the world depression we all find our selves in.
garriphillips 2 years ago
and those are just words coming out of your mouth!
Have you got anything to back up what you're just spat up there?