@MrYellowlabs now you attack dead men (such as craig ) who havent the capacity to defend them selves ,why dont you just debate the case and provide proof that your claims are accurate ?.
@MrYellowlabs do you care to share your evidence of craigs mental instability medical records etc ? it should be insightfull ,or is it you just get off by insulting people like the rest of your ilk . i guess you have me in the same category as craig and yet i cant get you to debate the evidence with me ,i mean what have you to fear from someone you cinsider to be a conspiracy nut with mental instability ? .
You have clearly read books on the assassination. However, you are terribly misguided when it comes to what actually did happen that day.
You might have had a bad personal experience with law enforcement at one time, or the US government. Something happened to cause you to be blindly mistrustful of the police.
@MrYellowlabs "You have clearly read books on the assassination. However, you are terribly misguided when it comes to what actually did happen that day"
i dont read books like you do (posner /bugliosi etc ) i read the 26 warren commission vollumes ,the 12 hsca vollumes the arrb ,i read sworn affidavits /documents / fbi reports et etc . authors can be biased and posner and bugliosi certainly are ,so i get my info as they say straight from the horses mouth .
@fobrien1 "You might have had a bad personal experience with law enforcement at one time, or the US government. Something happened to cause you to be blindly mistrustful of the police"
can i ask you to point to a comment of mine on this thread which makes you think that ,or is it just more of your conspiracy psycho babble ?.
@MrYellowlabs "Oliver Stone`s movie is not a "documentary"...nor does he pretend it to be.It is a Hollywood production, designed to sell tickets, not to be factual. "
what oliver stones movie has to do with this discussion i do not know.
"You read the Warren Commission, and still believe in a conspiracy?"
the only person talking about conspiracy here is you i havent mentioned it once ,all im doing here is simply asking you to provide proof to back your claims of oswalds guilt.
@fobrien1 You read the Warren Commission...they provide countless pieces of evidence showing Oswald is alone guilty. You need more than what they provide?!?
@MrYellowlabs "You read the Warren Commission...they provide countless pieces of evidence showing Oswald is alone guilty. You need more than what they provide?!?"
the 26 vollumes provide the testimony /the evidence and the warren commision conclussions ,for the most part the conclussions either bear little resemblence to whats in the vollumes or have been refuted in some way by the hsca etc .so yes one needs to read more than the wc report .
@MrYellowlabs "Are you saying "mentally stable" people commit suicide?"
lets be clear here you spoke about the mental instabilty of conspiracy theorists because your ludicrous logic is they are all crazy moronic nuts simply because they disagree with you . and you gave craig the same tag because what he said happened that day differs from what you believe or what you were told ,so your comments have absolutely nothing do with with mental health issues .
@fobrien1 They are not all crazy...some simply never took the time to look at the ballistic, forsensic, eyewitness, or circumstantial evidence that exists. They simply acted like sheep, and adopted the popular, yet faulty, conspiracy viewpoint.
@MrYellowlabs tell us how you can possibly know what people did or didnt do and what research they did or didnt do ? ,ill bet in my first few comments on this thread your LN opinion was i didnt know what i was talking about but now you know different dont you . after all you believed connally was looking at jfk at the time of the head shot (clearly he was not ) so perhaps its your view point thats faulty .
@fobrien1 You have proven that you have read about the assassination, which I suspect took place way before your birth.
You have also proven that you made your mind up long ago that, no matter how much overwhelming evidence pointing to Oswald`s guilt as the lone killer, you will go to any length to ignore or minimize it because it refutes what you want to believe...no matter how misguided your beliefs are.
@MrYellowlabs "You have also proven that you made your mind up long ago that, no matter how much overwhelming evidence pointing to Oswald`s guilt as the lone killer"
really would you like me to re post all your oswald did it crazy conspiracy nut comments ? ,if not dont insult my intelligence .
@MrYellowlabs "you will go to any length to ignore or minimize it because it refutes what you want to believe...no matter how misguided your beliefs are."
ive said continuously ive made no judgement of guilt or innocence ,ive simply asked you (the one who claims that punk oswald is guilty ) to provide proof your claims are accurate ,as yet im still waiting .
@fobrien1 If one of the many people in Dealey Plaza that day happened to have had their camera clearly focused on Oswald, during those 6 seconds he was firing at the limo, your very predictable response would have been....."What proof do you have that the film was not doctored to make it appear that it was Oswald?"
@MrYellowlabs if oswald was filmed in the window with the rifle in his hand i would have no arguments what so ever . ive done what i always do nad what you rarely if ever do ,i respond to your comments with accurate information and facts ,no where in my comments have i said anything about a vast conspiracy nor have i offered any conspiracy theories but you do as all LN s do when they find a debate difficult they have to resort to playing the crazy conspiracy theorist card
@fobrien1 You respond to my comments with accurate info and facts!?!
Sure you do! I`m still waiting for you to tell me how all those eyewitnesses really didn`t see Oswald kill Tippit.
You do not hold the government to the accepted standard of proving one`s guilt beyond a REASONABLE doubt...you demand they do so to the unreasonable and uncalled for standard of beyond a SHADOW of a doubt.
Even if Oswald had confessed, you would have quickly claimed he was coerced by the government!
@MrYellowlabs "You respond to my comments with accurate info and facts!?! Sure you do! I`m still waiting for you to tell me how all those eyewitnesses really didn`t see Oswald kill Tippit."
perhaps you didnt see my coment where i said im happy to discuss the witnesses at 10th and patton and i said will we start with helen markham ? ,so if you have some thing to say say it and ill reply .
@fobrien1 Poor little "patsy" just can`t seem to win!
First all those people in Dealey Plaza accuse him killing JFK for no reason at all....then a different set of people accuse him of shooting Tippit in Oak Cliff for no reason whatsoever!
@MrYellowlabs do you plan on posting any evidence of oswalds guilt ? ,as im getting bored with the same tired old LN rhetoric and BS . you guys are all the same "oswald is guilty" and "theres a mountain of evidence" and " he would have been easily convicted" ,so if oswald is guilty and all this evidence exists that every jury would have convicted him on why are you guys so scared to debate this evidence .
@fobrien1 "Show me the proof" is the mantra of the conspiracy clowns, as they claim to want to debate the evidence.
Meanwhile, they continue to ignore :
Eyewitness accounts...fingerprint matches...handwriting experts...receipts {Klein`s sporting goods}... statements by those who know him best {Marina, Frazier, Robert Oswald}...ballistic matches...etc.
No problem...In the end, "justice" was broought to Oswald in the form of Ruby!
@MrYellowlabs ""Show me the proof" is the mantra of the conspiracy clowns, as they claim to want to debate the evidence. Meanwhile, they continue to ignore :"
exactly what have you asked me thus far which ive ignored ? ,ive continully asked you if you want to discuss different aslpects of the case or discuss witnesses and yet you decided not to discuss these things. ill ask again do you want to discuss witnesses ? shall we start with dorothy garner ? , -----------------------
@MrYellowlabs victoria adams ? or perhaps you want to talk about the witnesses who attended the police line ups ? yes lets talk about the line ups . what about the ballistics ,do you want to discuss the bullets taken from officer tippits body which couldnt be identified as having been fired from oswalds gun or the 4 shells (2 winchester and 2 remington ) which dont match the 4 bullets 3 winchester and 1 remington . lets talk about marina and robert oswald ---------------------
@MrYellowlabs im happy to do so .lets talk about all the provable lies she told and her admittance that she lied ,lets talk about how she now says oswald is completely innocent . lets talk about robert oswald .robert oswald as with everyone else at the time got his information from the tv and newspapers (a lot of which we now know was factualy incorrect /twisted or distorted reporting of the facts ) and he told the commission he based his opinion that his brother was guilty -----
@MrYellowlabs on that ,but he further told the commission "I might add that the Lee Harvey Oswald that I knew would not have killed anybody" ,its strange how both marina and robert sang form the same hymn sheet in 1963/4 and now it seems believe very different things . as for my mantra "show me the proof" im entitled to ask you if you can prove what you say to be true with established evidence and facts ,are maybe you think im being unreasonable in my request ?------------
@fobrien1 This is a perfect example of your total lack of integrity :
Robert has never changed his viewpoint that Lee acted alone. Never.
Marina very much changed her tune...as the conspiracy creeps were able to get to her over the years, coupled with her natural human desire of not wanting to be known as the wife of history`s most infamous assassin.
@MrYellowlabs "Robert has never changed his viewpoint that Lee acted alone. Never"
is that not pretty much the same as me saying "its strange how both marina and robert sang form the same hymn sheet in 1963/4 and now it seems believe very different things" ? .
robert oswald hardly saw his brother and apart from a few visits and phone calls or letters at various times and so he knew nothing really other than that which he read in papers and saw on tv ----------------------------
@fobrien1 Robert is an honorable man, who has lived a noble life.
He has said all along that all the objective evidence points to his brother, and that "he`d be the first person to shout from the mountain top of Lee`s innocense"...IF he could be shown anything that exonerates Lee. So far, none of the conspiracy kooks can up with anything legitimate to help him out.
@MrAssholeYellow Your mother is on many TV documentaries stating that she rents her dildos from prostitutes. Now, give us the video where Robert says it.
@jacobji5 no offence but i dont think this is the way to debate and get at the truth ,i just think it gives these people an axcuse to attack all us guys as a whole . if you have done the research and if your intelligent (and i believe you are ) then defeat these people with your knowledge and intelligence ,dont decend to their level.as i say i hope you understand i mean no offence.
@MrYellowlabs "Jerkoff...Robert has said his brother acted alone, on more TV documentaries, than a loser like you can count! "
are these the same documentaries that say oswald didnt know ruby? (robert oswald is of a different opinion ,or is he now unreliable ) are these the same documentaries that say ruby had no mob ties ? well well .
@MrYellowlabs but thats just his opinion, just like you and i have an opinion .and its based on what he was told /what he read in the papers and what he saw on tv .now unless you have evidence that robert oswald was in the tsbd at 12.30 or at 10th and patton at about 12.15 then what i say is correct robert oswald gave his opinion.as he couldnt possibly know for sure could he ?.
@fobrien1 No, his opinion carries much more weight than yours or mine. He knew Lee the entire length of Lee`s life. He knew what made him tick, his demons, etc. He knew the cancerous effect his mother`s influence had on Lee.
Go to YouTube...type in "JFK Assassination Roberrt Oswald Interview Talks About LHO".
Now, your turn to show me that Robert knew of Ruby`s existence before 11-24-63.
@MrYellowlabs "No, his opinion carries much more weight than yours or mine. He knew Lee the entire length of Lee`s life"
he left home when lee was young ,so again unless robert helped lee shoot jfk and tippit or was there at these times exactly what evidence or proof does robert oswald have of anything ? . the answer is none its just opinion but he says oswald was guilty and thats all the proof LNs need right opinion .
@MrYellowlabs "Are you saying ALL siblings are carbon copies of each other, identical in their mental make-up and character?"
of course not every human being is different even twins are different .but having the same mother that you call "cancerous" meant that they were subject to pretty much the same up bringing . interestingly robert said lee was a perfectly normal happy kid ,so much for your cancerous mother quip .
@MrYellowlabs we know oswald had no father as he passed away at a young age and we know lees mother struggled on her own .but what exactly proof wise have you got that says mrs oswald had a "cancerous affect" on lee ?, apart from his father dying and his mother having struggled on her own what if anything do you have to show that he wasnt an otherwise normal and happy kid ?.
@MrYellowlabs "Go to YouTube...type in "JFK Assassination Roberrt Oswald Interview Talks About LHO".
and this video is proof is it ? .so if i say look at a video that shows all parklands staff showing the area in the back of the head where jfk had a gaping wound you would accept it as proof would you ?.
@MrYellowlabs "Now, your turn to show me that Robert knew of Ruby`s existence before 11-24-63."
now show me where robert oswald having the opinion his brother lee is guilty is proof of anything ?.when you decide you want to discuss actual facts and evidence as opposed to peoples opinions ill be waiting .
Robert Oswald said he would believe what the co-conspirators said "IF EVERYTHING that I've read (bogus evidence), that I've seen (more bogus evidence), that I've felt (according to the bogus evidence), it comes down to yes, that's a conclusion".
Robert did not say or believe his brother did it. He just qualified the CIA owned commentators question accordingly, with "IF".
So MrAsshole, refer to us a video where Robert says otherwise.
@jacobji5 What you really need is for someone to "refer" you to a mental institution. That should have been done years ago, but I guess your parents couldn`t it.
@MrAssholeYellow All center fire guns and all center fire ammo is stamped with their particular cal or mm. The rifles have the stamp on the rear of the barrel. The bullets are stamped on the bottom. This is to match guns and bullets properly, to not cause yourself injury or death. This stamping was before year 1900 - worldwide.
3 cops in broad daylight can not mis-ID the rifle. It was a 7.65 Mauser as they said, not an MC 6.5.
@MrYellowlabs "You are the one who said Robert has changed his views, "
i said robert told the commission that the lee he knew wouldnt kill anyone ,but that he was of the opinion from what he read in papers and magazines and seen on tv that lee must be guilty .but of course we know how many falsehoods appeared in those papers/mags and tv programs at that time which just about everyone accepted as truth untill they started researching .
@fobrien1 Suddenly, you care about eyewitness testimony!
If Robert was at 10th & Patton, you`d say it had been a year since he saw Lee, and forgot what he looked like! Your "debating style" is to force the other side to "prove-a-negative", which can`t be done. Otherwise, in your warped mind, you "win". Here is you..."Prove that the moon is NOT made of cheese. What evidence can you show that it is NOT made of cheese?" So long, my nutty little conspiracy friend. Good luck "clearing" LHO`s name!
@MrYellowlabs "Suddenly, you care about eyewitness testimony!"
exactly when did i say i didnt care for eye witness testimony ?.my style of debating is to ask people to do what a court of law would ask the prosecution /defence to do which is to provide solid evidence and proof for the claims they make .for instance proving oswald bought and posted the money order which you made no effort to doand for very obvious reasons because you know oswald was provably in work at that time.
@MrYellowlabs so how did he buy and post the money order ? and exactly how is that asking you to prove a negative ? .you say oswald bought and owned this rifle and you further say there is ample proof of this but when i simply ask if you would be kind enough to provide us with some of this ample proof this proof never appears because you have none .then all your left with is the LNs last line of defence which is to name call and insult -------------------------------
@MrYellowlabs "He has made it clear countless times, over the years, that he firmly believes Lee acted alone...Jerkoff Jacob." you use his brothers opinion against him (a brother wouldnt say he was guilty would he ?) yet you omit the fact that his mother believed him innocent . and you omit the fact that marina now believes him innocent ,the only time you mentioned it was when i brought it up and you said the conspiracy creeps changed marinas mind.now whos paranoid?.
@MrYellowlabs "Robert is an honorable man, who has lived a noble life."
i wonder would lee agree ? and what more lies marina would tell about this?. if youve done even an ounce of research you would know exactly what i mean.
@fobrien1 As if the opinion of a mad man {Lee} matters!
How sick was Lee?
For more than a century, a tremendous number of Russians have fled the Soviet Union to immigrate to America. How many Americans mentally deranged enough can you point to who left the US to go to Russia, and tried to become a Russian citizen?
Well, there`s Lee Oswald! Can you name any others?!?
Turns out, the Russians figured out how crazy he was and wanted him out!
@MrYellowlabs i mean he wasnt with lee in orleans or in the tsbd or at his rooming house so based on what he read saw and learned via the commission he reached an opinion of guilt ,actually in his testimony he said he also was of the opinion that lee knew ruby and he based that opinion also on what he had read in the papers and seen on tv etc . but i bet you would disagree with his second opinion because it doesnt help your case .
@fobrien1 He was Robert`s kid brother. He knew all about the the hell and insanity Lee went through, being trapped by that monster of a mother he was stuck with.
Robert knew about Lee`s mental instability, and bizarre personality. Plus, he never heard the name Jack Ruby until Lee was shot, nor did he ever suggest he did.
@MrYellowlabs "Marina very much changed her tune...as the conspiracy creeps were able to get to her over the years, coupled with her natural human desire of not wanting to be known as the wife of history`s most infamous assassin."
you couldnt know very much about marina if you make that comment ,by the way she still uses the name oswald "marina oswald porter " and does not hide her relationship to lee oswald in fact she has even petitioned for documents to be released .
@MrYellowlabs "I have nothing against Marina...or Junie or Rachel.
Lee`s actions in Dealey Plaza scarred them forever, and they are victims every bit as much as JFK & Tippit"
i like you have nothing against june or rachel after all they were just babies . but again they would have opposing opinions . but i guess like with oswalds brother robert you grab on to his every word as tho its gospel ,but you dismiss his mothers opinion ---------------------------
@MrYellowlabs she was a crazy lady because she didnt say what you want to hear .are you aware that june and rachel also disagree on their fathers guilt or innocence ,i bet i know which one you think is crazy just like her granny (or maybe you werent even aware of that ?) how about john pic ? whos side would he be on ? . i bet as long as someone says oswald was guilty thats all you would need ,osama bin laden "yes oswald was guilty as sin" and i bet you would be quoting him.
@fobrien1 You sure hate being confronted with the facts. No surprise! All conspiracy wackos hate the true facts as much cockroaches hate the bright sunshine...they all scamper around at that point.
So, where`s the evidence Robert knew of Ruby? Don`t bother, it doesn`t exist, you`ll never find it!
John Pic died many years ago. June & Rachel...what a shock, they don`t want to live with the stigma of being Lee`s daughter! Who can blame them! Sure they wish it had been someone else!
@MrYellowlabs for you to prove what you say is true . every where i go im asked by LNs for links /cites etc to prove what i say is accurate (and i provide the information to prove im accurate ) are you saying the same requirment of proof doesnt apply to LNs ? .
"No problem...In the end, "justice" was broought to Oswald in the form of Ruby!"
your here because in your mind justice wasnt done (he is legally innocent ) he should have fried shouldnt he? and it galls you that he didnt .
@fobrien1 As I said earlier...Oswald was unable to escape "justice".
He didn`t even get to live long enough to enjoy his "fame".
Had he lived...his conviction would have came about in 1964-65, and his appeals would have run out by 1967. He would have been strapped in the electric chair {Huntsville, Tx.} no later than 1967-68.
@MrYellowlabs "As I said earlier...Oswald was unable to escape "justice"."
bugs the hell out of you doesnt it ? that little commie punk got off with just being shot instead of being fried and that he will always legally be an innocent man . your problem is your hate for a man you never knew blinds you to all reason .
@MrYellowlabs "You do not hold the government to the accepted standard of proving one`s guilt beyond a REASONABLE doubt...you demand they do so to the unreasonable and uncalled for standard of beyond a SHADOW of a doubt."
its as simple as this if the government (or you )want to say such things as oswald owned the rifle then i expect them and you to show proof that he owned it . as it stands you havent go past providing proof he bought and posted the money order .
@MrYellowlabs "More than enough proof was provided to prove Hiddel/Oswald {same person} was the owner. You simply choose to ignore the obvious.2
allright then ill go along with you ,theres more than enough proof that oswald bought/owned the rifle but i cant seem to find it so can you please post some of it for me .after all you say theres lots of proof so posting some of it should be very easy .
@MrYellowlabs "You`re probably waiting for more proof before you`ll be willing to accept that the world is not flat. "
i could fling insults back in your direction and im guessing thats what you would prefer than you wouldnt have to squirm over not providing evidence/proof . but an intelligent well researched person has no need to insult people to win a debate ,but i guess you wouldnt know much about that.
@MrYellowlabs "Even if Oswald had confessed, you would have quickly claimed he was coerced by the government!"
now your trying to come up with anything to make me sound irrational and unreasonable , but when one one reads my comments and they read yours im sure they will clearly see which of us is the more rational and reasonable .
@fobrien1 Appearing rational & reasonable? I`m sure you`re referring to most others on this this specific YouTube video {"Two Men In Dallas"}...which is ground zero for all "tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy clowns"!
@MrYellowlabs "Appearing rational & reasonable? I`m sure you`re referring to most others on this this specific YouTube video {"Two Men In Dallas"}...which is ground zero for all "tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy clowns"! "
im still waiting for all this evidence and proof you speak of . ill ask again can you post proof that (oswald who was provably in work at the time ) bought and posted the money order for the rifle ? ,
@fobrien1 Yes, conspiracy theorists are crazy. Any person who ignores the obvious {Oswals acted alone} and tries twisting or manufacturing "facts" to support their crazy beliefs, is crazy.
@MrYellowlabs "Yes, conspiracy theorists are crazy. Any person who ignores the obvious {Oswals acted alone} and tries twisting or manufacturing "facts" to support their crazy beliefs, is crazy"
i invite you to point to any comment of mine that you think ive been dishonest inand where i twisted or manufactured facts ,if you cant do that i expect an appology .
@MrYellowlabs "You`ve got one hell of a long wait. As long a wait as your boy {Oswald} faces in ever getting his named cleared as the lone assassin! So far, he has been rotting in his grave for 48 years with that stigma. Eternity awaits him."
so you falsely accuse people of twisting and manufacturing facts and then refuse to apolagise for doing so ,and you have the gall to call oswald a liar .
@MrYellowlabs i personally know two people one a young man who was sexually molested all through his childhood by his father ,another young man gave his motor bike to his brother and his brother crashed it and tragicly died .both of these young men tragicly took there own lives because they simply could not see a way to carry on with the pain and grief in their life . neither of these fine young men were to use your words ----------------------
@MrYellowlabs i gave two examples and clearly sexual abuse was not the cause for both ,guilt over a brothers tragic death was the cause of one suicide . there can be any number of reasons why a person takes their life ,i know of someone (not personally ) who took his life because he was denied access to his child and told he would never again see his child and that was obviously some thing he couldnt bear to live with .---------------------
@MrYellowlabs craig taking his life was a very different set of circumstances but none the less tragic .if you think people who take their own life all fit into one nice neat little category your much mistaken.
@MrYellowlabs moronic nuts .they were hard working honest and decent people one of whom was a father .roger craig also was a husband and a father ,he was officer of the year in 1960 . after the assassination he lost his job ,he travelled the country to find work and when he did he was soon layed off once his employers found out who he was .so he then found work increasingly difficult to find . his truck was run off the road and he was shot at -----------------------
@fobrien1 How many Dallas police officers faced these problems? None, if any, from what I can tell. Perhaps Craig had issues, whereas 99.99% of the force did not?
@MrYellowlabs "How many Dallas police officers faced these problems? None, if any, from what I can tell. Perhaps Craig had issues, whereas 99.99% of the force did not?"
again your very much mistaken ,but case in point is seymore weitzman (the mauser man ) dont believe me ? check it out .
@fobrien1 Just because a Dallas cop---at a first, quick glance at the rifle said he thought it was a Mauser---"conspiracy nuts" ignore that upon further study, the Dallas cops quickly realized it was CM. They stand corrected and quickly admitted that.
No matter what the make, Oswald OWNED that rifle and he used it to kill JFK.
@MrYellowlabs "Just because a Dallas cop---at a first, quick glance at the rifle said he thought it was a Mauser---"conspiracy nuts" ignore that upon further study, the Dallas cops quickly realized it was CM. They stand corrected and quickly admitted that."
well now if you want to post weitzmans detailed description of the rifle (or i will ,its up to you) you say he only glanced and discuss it ill be happy to do so .
@MrYellowlabs "No matter what the make, Oswald OWNED that rifle and he used it to kill JFK. "
so you say ,and ive asked you repeatedly to please provide proof of your claims . starting with how oswald bought and posted the money order when he was provably in work .
@MrYellowlabs he was followed and threatened and both he and his wife went into poor health .in 1975 he clearly reached a point where he could take no more and thought he couldnt carry on and decided to tragicly end his life . you insult the memory of such people with your idiotic comments.
@MrYellowlabs "Craig wanted his 15 minutes of fame. He only got 15 seconds. That is why he killed himself."
that comment of yours is ridiculous but par for the course for LNs ,he got far more than 15 minutes of fame he got 12 years of it ,but he never asked for any fame and certainly didnt want it. he just wanted to tell the truth .unfortuately he didnt know telling the truth would cost him everything including his life.
It's jus staggering how stupid people are. They actually believe a report saying a bullet "hung in mid air" for nearly 2 seconds. They believe a bullet can be 'pristine' even after 100 tests showed otherwise. They can ignore or "re-see" a film after the Gov't tells them what they are looking at. I just can't understand this level of ignorance.
@PabloPena108 No bullet exited JFK's throat from the back of his neck. That wound in his throat was a frontal shot. That bullet had absolutely no blood on it. It was flattened bacause it had been fired from the MC,possibly into some water to make sure it matched ballistically to the alleged "Oswald rifle". The WC saw a photo where a wound was moved up higher on JFK's back to match a possible exit in his neck. That, as you know, never happened.
Roger Craig is one of the heroes of this case for telling the truth. It is our generation's responsibility to make sure the Lone Nut theorists do not try to distort history and cover up the truth.
I think it's the first time I heard someone meantion that "the 3 spent cartridges where lay in three in a row, not more than an inch apart, all pointing in the same direction." Also, first time I've heard about the brown paper lunch sack and the soda bottle. Seem a bit odd! Who brings lunch to an "assassination nest"? Weird! Yet, I find Roger Craig thrustwhorty. What do ya recon?
@SUSSTURUCU Tippit was just in the wrong place at the right time,those guys were there to put a hit on Oswald before he could talk,Lee might have known he was set up!
yeah and check out how long Oawald was stationed at Atsugi air base, over a year. I have a doc that reads about LSD mind control experiments being done at Atgusi. I think ONI was behind the experiments along with the CIA.
Either there were two Oswalds or the bus ride and the taxi ride etc were all bunk. I believe Craig all the way. The two rifles blows the Warren Report out of the water.
@bucknorm Yes, there were two "Oswalds". One was the fake Oswald that R.Craig saw get into the Rambler,( who later blazed a trail to the Texas Theatre where the real Oswald was). The real Oswald,I believe did take a cab/bus ride to his rooming house. The imposter went to theatre to draw attention to LHO. The imposter obviously knew where LHO would be. The owner of the hobby shop next to the theatre said he was someone that he thought was Oswald. It was the imposter being led out the alley.
@gentle7ways7 It was either Oswald or his CIA double. Read James Douglass' 'JFK And The Unspeakable' to understand the use of CIA doubles to frame Oswald. He was leaving the Depository via his CIA accomplice in the station wagon witnessed by Craig. The Dealey Plaza assassination was a big stage set by CIA.
@Exiles800 yes i heard the CIA use doubles in certain covert ops,this would explain so many Oswald doubles in the plaza,help to reinforce one man gunman logic
@gentle7ways7 You should learn of the Oswald seen at the shooting range, car dealer, and other places. CIA screwed-up with the Ralph Yates hitch-hiking timing exactly because Oswald was at work at that time. Maybe Oswald wasn't supposed to escape the Depository alive? In any case, the timing problem with the Ralph Yates Oswald double caused FBI to take such drastic action. The Oswald double was meant to show a Lone Nut carrying a gun to the Depository while openly talking about shooting JFK.
@Exiles800 this would make sense as i did hear about the rifle range and car sales thing they say the CIA wanted the town to know of Oswald exploits, almost printing some indelible memory of this man thus to win over there version in the public domain,they certainly got Oswald very quickly with almost clairvoyant intuition at the local cinema
Read Douglass' 'JFK And The Unspeakable'. What is incredible is the Oswald double deliberately acted suspiciously and led police into the theater. No one ever questioned that the reason "Oswald" ran past the ticket booth was because he was trying to draw the cops to the second Oswald sitting on the ground floor. Julia Postal, the ticket seller, ran away crying and couldn't answer whether or not she sold Oswald a ticket. She did that because she had sold the 1st Oswald a ticket. FBI gagged Julia.
@Exiles800 i have read Oswald talked book and it has a photograph of oswald and dave ferrie at a civil air patrol camp near alexandria , louisiana in 1955 the photo belies arguments of gerald posner that ferrie did not know oswald,when they did know of each other very important at that time.
@gentle7ways7 The whole thing is obvious. Oswald was networked in to CIA early on and went into intelligence through Atsugi air base and then onto Russia as a CIA false defector. He kept in contact with the David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, Cuban exile CIA network during the build-up to the Assassination. There's no point in the US Government denying it anymore. JFK's assassination was a fascist Coup done by the CIA.
@Exiles800: (Reply part 1-2) I'm just about to begun reading the "JFK And The Unspeakable", looking forward to! Anyway, my take is (it's still a mess in my head, but there IS something to this) that Donald Wayne House, the first "suspect" of the assassination of JFK, caught in Oak Cliff, was actually in the plot. He was very look-alike LHO, and I think his part was to, pretending being Oswald making sure there was witnessess, shoot Officer JD Tippit in his cheast AND his head...
@Exiles800 (Reply 2-2)... then he was supposed to ran of to the Theatre, where LHO already where seated - WITH A TICKET. And there LHO was framed! And more, JD Tippit was uncanny look-alike to JFK. Maybe this wasn't a coincident? Maybe he was carefully picked to be used as a look-alike, fresh body, for the faked autopsy pictures.
@elfving73 I don't think Tippit looked too much like JFK. I think Tippit was set-up by CIA and murdered in order to frame Oswald and make an excuse for killing him. You'll do good by reading 'Unspeakable'.
@MrYellowlabs Lane is con artist? Are you kidding? Did you not see the documentation and photographs provided in this documentary, backed up by the police affidavit & CIA report? You're a typical Lone Nut theorist - telling us we should believe you instead of our lying eyes.
@TheLensSolution Gotta love the "Conspiracy Clowns"! Forty eight years later, and they`re still too blind to see that the Warren Commission was right all along.
Mark Lane, Oliver Stone, Cyril Wecht all thank you...for falling for their ridiculous lies!
@nicenonya3 I have heard from another site that John J.McCloy was (alledgedly) at the meeting at Clint Murchinson's home the same night LBJ, Hoover, etc were the night before JFK's murder. If that is true, (and that's a big "if"), do you know the implication of that? That would be that Mr. Mc.Cloy was at a meeting discussing the murder before the fact, then served on the W.Commission after the fact. After the murder, LBJ became president and later, Ford, (WC) and later Nixon, were presidents.
@nicenonya3 LBJ was FBI director for life. A lot of the Warren Commission people went on to "higher things" after their conclusions were drawn. Allan Dulles and J.Mc.Cloy also benefitted. Oswald's "guilt" was determined long before the shots were fired in Dealy Plaza. Why would it take 26 volumes to conclude that a "lone nut" killed JFK? "Lone nutters" say that it was an "open and shut" case. 26 volumes is a lot of information for a "lone nut murder".
@MrYellowlabs And btw I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but you're too stupid to understand what's going on. Back to American Gladiators for you.
@PabloPena108 If you were alive 100 years ago, you`d be one of the fools running around yelling..."Booth didn`t shoot Lincoln, he was seen in the lobby of the theatre buying Milk Duds at the time of the shooting!".
@MrYellowlabs Funny you mention Lincoln. I'm surprised you're not trolling youtube videos shouting "Don't believe the Hype! It was NOT a conspiracy! The Feds wrongly sent 8 men to their deaths! See? this is what bizarre conspiracy theories make you do!"
@MrYellowlabs Believe me if you were living in Lincoln's time you would be shouting at the top of your lungs not to believe the conspiracy freaks. Don't kid yourself.
@MrYellowlabs Wow really? So there was a pristine bullet in the Oj case huh? There was a super bullet there too huh? We saw a video of her being murdered and are asked to not believe what we're looking at huh? Typical lone nutter idiot. America is so full of these stupid morons it's a wonder we can exist.
@PabloPena108 There was no "pristine" bullet in the JFK case either. The bottom portion of the bullet was significantly flattened. It hit JFK`s soft tissue near his neck, and Connelly`s rib.
@PabloPena108 Nobody disputes a bullet entered the back of JFK`s neck, and exited his front throat. From there, where did it go? No "pristine" bullet was found inside the car.
That bullet had nowhere else to go but to enter Connelly`s back after exiting JFK! They lined up perfectly, and they both reacted to the bullet at virtually the same moment.
@MrYellowlabs "Nobody disputes a bullet entered the back of JFK`s neck, and exited his front throat"
i beg to differ ,firsty the bullet entered the back not the neck ,it entered it some inches below shoulder level just to the right of the spine .admiral burkley stated this was at about T3 (third thoracic vertebrae) ,during the autopsy the back wound was probed with a finger and a surgical probe and found to be a shallow wound .
@MrYellowlabs "Yes, Oswald was shooting from the back, so it makes sense that JFK was struck from behind."
well now based on the known facts your partly correct jfk was struck in the back from behind ,but as to who may have fired that shot well the facts are not so clear .yes there is circumstantial evidence pointing at oswald but equally there is evidence to the contrary .
@MrYellowlabs "Now, tell me exactly where THAT bullet went after exiting JFK`s throat."
i think in your zest to grab a gotcha moment you forgot one very important thing which is i never claimed any bullet exited jfks throath . now your going to say well if it didnt exit where did it go ? the answer is i dont know but the back wound being shallow would better explain the near pristine condition of ce399 dont you think ?.
@MrYellowlabs "So, the bullet that entered JfK`s upper back area, and tore a hole in his throat never exited his body?"
you really do have difficulty either reading or understanding comments dont you ,do you not understand the words SHALLOW WOUND ? .
doctor James Jenkins, one of the medical technicians at the autopsy, has reported that he could even see the probe pushing against the lining of the chest cavity (14:477). "There was," he says, "no entry into the chest cavity."
@MrYellowlabs ill say it one more time and maybe this time it will sink in I---NEVER---CLAIMED---ANY---BULLET---EXITED---JFKS---THROATH . you claim the bullet exited the throath so prove it ,it shouldnt be hard should it ? . perhaps you can explain the doctors account of a shallow wound ? .
@MrYellowlabs is this how you normally debate ? .do you normally make completely inaccurate claims and then refuse to acknowledge your errors when they are pointed out to you ? ,i mean im still waiting for the zapruder film frame numbers that you say shows conally looking at jfk at the time of the head shot . i cant see what the prolem is it should be easy after all the z film is available right here on youtube complete with frame numbers .-----------------------------------
Roger Craig, talking throughout this video, committed suicide in 1975.
Not surprised...Typical "rational behavior" usually displayed by the moronic "conspiracy nuts"!
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs now you attack dead men (such as craig ) who havent the capacity to defend them selves ,why dont you just debate the case and provide proof that your claims are accurate ?.
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 He exemplifies the mental instability of conspiracy nuts, in general.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs do you care to share your evidence of craigs mental instability medical records etc ? it should be insightfull ,or is it you just get off by insulting people like the rest of your ilk . i guess you have me in the same category as craig and yet i cant get you to debate the evidence with me ,i mean what have you to fear from someone you cinsider to be a conspiracy nut with mental instability ? .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Not true.
You have clearly read books on the assassination. However, you are terribly misguided when it comes to what actually did happen that day.
You might have had a bad personal experience with law enforcement at one time, or the US government. Something happened to cause you to be blindly mistrustful of the police.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs "You have clearly read books on the assassination. However, you are terribly misguided when it comes to what actually did happen that day"
i dont read books like you do (posner /bugliosi etc ) i read the 26 warren commission vollumes ,the 12 hsca vollumes the arrb ,i read sworn affidavits /documents / fbi reports et etc . authors can be biased and posner and bugliosi certainly are ,so i get my info as they say straight from the horses mouth .
fobrien1 1 week ago
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@fobrien1 "You might have had a bad personal experience with law enforcement at one time, or the US government. Something happened to cause you to be blindly mistrustful of the police"
can i ask you to point to a comment of mine on this thread which makes you think that ,or is it just more of your conspiracy psycho babble ?.
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 You read the Warren Commission, and still believe in a conspiracy?
Oliver Stone`s movie is not a "documentary"...nor does he pretend it to be.
It is a Hollywood production, designed to sell tickets, not to be factual.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Oliver Stone`s movie is not a "documentary"...nor does he pretend it to be.It is a Hollywood production, designed to sell tickets, not to be factual. "
what oliver stones movie has to do with this discussion i do not know.
"You read the Warren Commission, and still believe in a conspiracy?"
the only person talking about conspiracy here is you i havent mentioned it once ,all im doing here is simply asking you to provide proof to back your claims of oswalds guilt.
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 You read the Warren Commission...they provide countless pieces of evidence showing Oswald is alone guilty. You need more than what they provide?!?
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "You read the Warren Commission...they provide countless pieces of evidence showing Oswald is alone guilty. You need more than what they provide?!?"
the 26 vollumes provide the testimony /the evidence and the warren commision conclussions ,for the most part the conclussions either bear little resemblence to whats in the vollumes or have been refuted in some way by the hsca etc .so yes one needs to read more than the wc report .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Are you saying "mentally stable" people commit suicide?
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Are you saying "mentally stable" people commit suicide?"
lets be clear here you spoke about the mental instabilty of conspiracy theorists because your ludicrous logic is they are all crazy moronic nuts simply because they disagree with you . and you gave craig the same tag because what he said happened that day differs from what you believe or what you were told ,so your comments have absolutely nothing do with with mental health issues .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 They are not all crazy...some simply never took the time to look at the ballistic, forsensic, eyewitness, or circumstantial evidence that exists. They simply acted like sheep, and adopted the popular, yet faulty, conspiracy viewpoint.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs tell us how you can possibly know what people did or didnt do and what research they did or didnt do ? ,ill bet in my first few comments on this thread your LN opinion was i didnt know what i was talking about but now you know different dont you . after all you believed connally was looking at jfk at the time of the head shot (clearly he was not ) so perhaps its your view point thats faulty .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 You have proven that you have read about the assassination, which I suspect took place way before your birth.
You have also proven that you made your mind up long ago that, no matter how much overwhelming evidence pointing to Oswald`s guilt as the lone killer, you will go to any length to ignore or minimize it because it refutes what you want to believe...no matter how misguided your beliefs are.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "You have proven that you have read about the assassination, which I suspect took place way before your birth."
exactly what is your point here ? because im at a loss .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs "You have also proven that you made your mind up long ago that, no matter how much overwhelming evidence pointing to Oswald`s guilt as the lone killer"
really would you like me to re post all your oswald did it crazy conspiracy nut comments ? ,if not dont insult my intelligence .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs "you will go to any length to ignore or minimize it because it refutes what you want to believe...no matter how misguided your beliefs are."
ive said continuously ive made no judgement of guilt or innocence ,ive simply asked you (the one who claims that punk oswald is guilty ) to provide proof your claims are accurate ,as yet im still waiting .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 If one of the many people in Dealey Plaza that day happened to have had their camera clearly focused on Oswald, during those 6 seconds he was firing at the limo, your very predictable response would have been....."What proof do you have that the film was not doctored to make it appear that it was Oswald?"
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs if oswald was filmed in the window with the rifle in his hand i would have no arguments what so ever . ive done what i always do nad what you rarely if ever do ,i respond to your comments with accurate information and facts ,no where in my comments have i said anything about a vast conspiracy nor have i offered any conspiracy theories but you do as all LN s do when they find a debate difficult they have to resort to playing the crazy conspiracy theorist card
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 You respond to my comments with accurate info and facts!?!
Sure you do! I`m still waiting for you to tell me how all those eyewitnesses really didn`t see Oswald kill Tippit.
You do not hold the government to the accepted standard of proving one`s guilt beyond a REASONABLE doubt...you demand they do so to the unreasonable and uncalled for standard of beyond a SHADOW of a doubt.
Even if Oswald had confessed, you would have quickly claimed he was coerced by the government!
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "You respond to my comments with accurate info and facts!?! Sure you do! I`m still waiting for you to tell me how all those eyewitnesses really didn`t see Oswald kill Tippit."
perhaps you didnt see my coment where i said im happy to discuss the witnesses at 10th and patton and i said will we start with helen markham ? ,so if you have some thing to say say it and ill reply .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Poor little "patsy" just can`t seem to win!
First all those people in Dealey Plaza accuse him killing JFK for no reason at all....then a different set of people accuse him of shooting Tippit in Oak Cliff for no reason whatsoever!
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs do you plan on posting any evidence of oswalds guilt ? ,as im getting bored with the same tired old LN rhetoric and BS . you guys are all the same "oswald is guilty" and "theres a mountain of evidence" and " he would have been easily convicted" ,so if oswald is guilty and all this evidence exists that every jury would have convicted him on why are you guys so scared to debate this evidence .
fobrien1 6 days ago
@fobrien1 "Show me the proof" is the mantra of the conspiracy clowns, as they claim to want to debate the evidence.
Meanwhile, they continue to ignore :
Eyewitness accounts...fingerprint matches...handwriting experts...receipts {Klein`s sporting goods}... statements by those who know him best {Marina, Frazier, Robert Oswald}...ballistic matches...etc.
No problem...In the end, "justice" was broought to Oswald in the form of Ruby!
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs ""Show me the proof" is the mantra of the conspiracy clowns, as they claim to want to debate the evidence. Meanwhile, they continue to ignore :"
exactly what have you asked me thus far which ive ignored ? ,ive continully asked you if you want to discuss different aslpects of the case or discuss witnesses and yet you decided not to discuss these things. ill ask again do you want to discuss witnesses ? shall we start with dorothy garner ? , -----------------------
fobrien1 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs victoria adams ? or perhaps you want to talk about the witnesses who attended the police line ups ? yes lets talk about the line ups . what about the ballistics ,do you want to discuss the bullets taken from officer tippits body which couldnt be identified as having been fired from oswalds gun or the 4 shells (2 winchester and 2 remington ) which dont match the 4 bullets 3 winchester and 1 remington . lets talk about marina and robert oswald ---------------------
fobrien1 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs im happy to do so .lets talk about all the provable lies she told and her admittance that she lied ,lets talk about how she now says oswald is completely innocent . lets talk about robert oswald .robert oswald as with everyone else at the time got his information from the tv and newspapers (a lot of which we now know was factualy incorrect /twisted or distorted reporting of the facts ) and he told the commission he based his opinion that his brother was guilty -----
fobrien1 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs on that ,but he further told the commission "I might add that the Lee Harvey Oswald that I knew would not have killed anybody" ,its strange how both marina and robert sang form the same hymn sheet in 1963/4 and now it seems believe very different things . as for my mantra "show me the proof" im entitled to ask you if you can prove what you say to be true with established evidence and facts ,are maybe you think im being unreasonable in my request ?------------
fobrien1 6 days ago
@fobrien1 This is a perfect example of your total lack of integrity :
Robert has never changed his viewpoint that Lee acted alone. Never.
Marina very much changed her tune...as the conspiracy creeps were able to get to her over the years, coupled with her natural human desire of not wanting to be known as the wife of history`s most infamous assassin.
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "Robert has never changed his viewpoint that Lee acted alone. Never"
is that not pretty much the same as me saying "its strange how both marina and robert sang form the same hymn sheet in 1963/4 and now it seems believe very different things" ? .
robert oswald hardly saw his brother and apart from a few visits and phone calls or letters at various times and so he knew nothing really other than that which he read in papers and saw on tv ----------------------------
fobrien1 6 days ago
@fobrien1 Robert is an honorable man, who has lived a noble life.
He has said all along that all the objective evidence points to his brother, and that "he`d be the first person to shout from the mountain top of Lee`s innocense"...IF he could be shown anything that exonerates Lee. So far, none of the conspiracy kooks can up with anything legitimate to help him out.
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
@MrAssholeYellowl Robert had no viewpoint. You can never prove he did.
jacobji5 6 days ago
@jacobji5 He has made it clear countless times, over the years, that he firmly believes Lee acted alone...Jerkoff Jacob.
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
@MrAssholeYellow You never have proof of anything from your cum depository mouth. No proof anywhere that Robert said his brother was guilty.
jacobji5 5 days ago
@jacobji5 Jerkoff...Robert has said his brother acted alone, on more TV documentaries, than a loser like you can count!
MrYellowlabs 5 days ago
@MrAssholeYellow Your mother is on many TV documentaries stating that she rents her dildos from prostitutes. Now, give us the video where Robert says it.
jacobji5 5 days ago
@jacobji5 Did your mother ever get the name of the "john" that fathered you?
MrYellowlabs 5 days ago
@jacobji5 no offence but i dont think this is the way to debate and get at the truth ,i just think it gives these people an axcuse to attack all us guys as a whole . if you have done the research and if your intelligent (and i believe you are ) then defeat these people with your knowledge and intelligence ,dont decend to their level.as i say i hope you understand i mean no offence.
fobrien1 5 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Jerkoff...Robert has said his brother acted alone, on more TV documentaries, than a loser like you can count! "
are these the same documentaries that say oswald didnt know ruby? (robert oswald is of a different opinion ,or is he now unreliable ) are these the same documentaries that say ruby had no mob ties ? well well .
fobrien1 5 days ago
@MrYellowlabs but thats just his opinion, just like you and i have an opinion .and its based on what he was told /what he read in the papers and what he saw on tv .now unless you have evidence that robert oswald was in the tsbd at 12.30 or at 10th and patton at about 12.15 then what i say is correct robert oswald gave his opinion.as he couldnt possibly know for sure could he ?.
fobrien1 5 days ago
@fobrien1 No, his opinion carries much more weight than yours or mine. He knew Lee the entire length of Lee`s life. He knew what made him tick, his demons, etc. He knew the cancerous effect his mother`s influence had on Lee.
Go to YouTube...type in "JFK Assassination Roberrt Oswald Interview Talks About LHO".
Now, your turn to show me that Robert knew of Ruby`s existence before 11-24-63.
MrYellowlabs 5 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "No, his opinion carries much more weight than yours or mine. He knew Lee the entire length of Lee`s life"
he left home when lee was young ,so again unless robert helped lee shoot jfk and tippit or was there at these times exactly what evidence or proof does robert oswald have of anything ? . the answer is none its just opinion but he says oswald was guilty and thats all the proof LNs need right opinion .
fobrien1 5 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "He knew the cancerous effect his mother`s influence had on Lee."
well now robert oswald /john pic and lee all had the same "cancerous" mother so shouldnt they have all not been equally as messed up and murderous ? .
fobrien1 5 days ago
@fobrien1 Are you saying ALL siblings are carbon copies of each other, identical in their mental make-up and character?
MrYellowlabs 5 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Are you saying ALL siblings are carbon copies of each other, identical in their mental make-up and character?"
of course not every human being is different even twins are different .but having the same mother that you call "cancerous" meant that they were subject to pretty much the same up bringing . interestingly robert said lee was a perfectly normal happy kid ,so much for your cancerous mother quip .
fobrien1 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs we know oswald had no father as he passed away at a young age and we know lees mother struggled on her own .but what exactly proof wise have you got that says mrs oswald had a "cancerous affect" on lee ?, apart from his father dying and his mother having struggled on her own what if anything do you have to show that he wasnt an otherwise normal and happy kid ?.
fobrien1 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "Go to YouTube...type in "JFK Assassination Roberrt Oswald Interview Talks About LHO".
and this video is proof is it ? .so if i say look at a video that shows all parklands staff showing the area in the back of the head where jfk had a gaping wound you would accept it as proof would you ?.
fobrien1 5 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "Now, your turn to show me that Robert knew of Ruby`s existence before 11-24-63."
now show me where robert oswald having the opinion his brother lee is guilty is proof of anything ?.when you decide you want to discuss actual facts and evidence as opposed to peoples opinions ill be waiting .
fobrien1 5 days ago
@fobrien1 You are the one who said Robert has changed his views, and heard of Ruby before 11-24-63.....again, show me where you found these "gems".
MrYellowlabs 5 days ago
@MrAssholeYellow I saw the Robert Oswald video.
Robert Oswald said he would believe what the co-conspirators said "IF EVERYTHING that I've read (bogus evidence), that I've seen (more bogus evidence), that I've felt (according to the bogus evidence), it comes down to yes, that's a conclusion".
Robert did not say or believe his brother did it. He just qualified the CIA owned commentators question accordingly, with "IF".
So MrAsshole, refer to us a video where Robert says otherwise.
jacobji5 5 days ago
@jacobji5 What you really need is for someone to "refer" you to a mental institution. That should have been done years ago, but I guess your parents couldn`t it.
MrYellowlabs 4 days ago
@MrAssholeYellow All center fire guns and all center fire ammo is stamped with their particular cal or mm. The rifles have the stamp on the rear of the barrel. The bullets are stamped on the bottom. This is to match guns and bullets properly, to not cause yourself injury or death. This stamping was before year 1900 - worldwide.
3 cops in broad daylight can not mis-ID the rifle. It was a 7.65 Mauser as they said, not an MC 6.5.
Go play with your moms rented dildo.
jacobji5 5 days ago
@jacobji5 As soon as you finally remove your tongue from your father`s ass.
MrYellowlabs 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "You are the one who said Robert has changed his views, "
i said robert told the commission that the lee he knew wouldnt kill anyone ,but that he was of the opinion from what he read in papers and magazines and seen on tv that lee must be guilty .but of course we know how many falsehoods appeared in those papers/mags and tv programs at that time which just about everyone accepted as truth untill they started researching .
fobrien1 4 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "and heard of Ruby before 11-24-63.....again, show me where you found these "gems"."
if you can point to the comment of mine where i said robert oswald heard of ruby before 24/11/63 please do so .
fobrien1 4 days ago
@fobrien1 Suddenly, you care about eyewitness testimony!
If Robert was at 10th & Patton, you`d say it had been a year since he saw Lee, and forgot what he looked like! Your "debating style" is to force the other side to "prove-a-negative", which can`t be done. Otherwise, in your warped mind, you "win". Here is you..."Prove that the moon is NOT made of cheese. What evidence can you show that it is NOT made of cheese?" So long, my nutty little conspiracy friend. Good luck "clearing" LHO`s name!
MrYellowlabs 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "Suddenly, you care about eyewitness testimony!"
exactly when did i say i didnt care for eye witness testimony ?.my style of debating is to ask people to do what a court of law would ask the prosecution /defence to do which is to provide solid evidence and proof for the claims they make .for instance proving oswald bought and posted the money order which you made no effort to doand for very obvious reasons because you know oswald was provably in work at that time.
fobrien1 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs so how did he buy and post the money order ? and exactly how is that asking you to prove a negative ? .you say oswald bought and owned this rifle and you further say there is ample proof of this but when i simply ask if you would be kind enough to provide us with some of this ample proof this proof never appears because you have none .then all your left with is the LNs last line of defence which is to name call and insult -------------------------------
fobrien1 4 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "He has made it clear countless times, over the years, that he firmly believes Lee acted alone...Jerkoff Jacob." you use his brothers opinion against him (a brother wouldnt say he was guilty would he ?) yet you omit the fact that his mother believed him innocent . and you omit the fact that marina now believes him innocent ,the only time you mentioned it was when i brought it up and you said the conspiracy creeps changed marinas mind.now whos paranoid?.
fobrien1 5 days ago
@fobrien1 Only you would "value" the opinion of Margurite Oswald!!!!
That is some "star" witness!
MrYellowlabs 4 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Only you would "value" the opinion of Margurite Oswald!!!!"
who says i value her opinion ? what you cant seem to understand is that opinions are evidence of nothing and two opinions dont add up to a fact .
fobrien1 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "Robert is an honorable man, who has lived a noble life."
i wonder would lee agree ? and what more lies marina would tell about this?. if youve done even an ounce of research you would know exactly what i mean.
fobrien1 5 days ago
@fobrien1 As if the opinion of a mad man {Lee} matters!
How sick was Lee?
For more than a century, a tremendous number of Russians have fled the Soviet Union to immigrate to America. How many Americans mentally deranged enough can you point to who left the US to go to Russia, and tried to become a Russian citizen?
Well, there`s Lee Oswald! Can you name any others?!?
Turns out, the Russians figured out how crazy he was and wanted him out!
MrYellowlabs 5 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "As if the opinion of a mad man {Lee} matters!How sick was Lee?"
that you didnt even know what i was refeing to above is hardly surprising .
"How many Americans mentally deranged enough can you point to who left the US to go to Russia, and tried to become a Russian citizen?"
i guess your blissfully unaware angletons false defector program .
fobrien1 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs i mean he wasnt with lee in orleans or in the tsbd or at his rooming house so based on what he read saw and learned via the commission he reached an opinion of guilt ,actually in his testimony he said he also was of the opinion that lee knew ruby and he based that opinion also on what he had read in the papers and seen on tv etc . but i bet you would disagree with his second opinion because it doesnt help your case .
fobrien1 6 days ago
@fobrien1 He was Robert`s kid brother. He knew all about the the hell and insanity Lee went through, being trapped by that monster of a mother he was stuck with.
Robert knew about Lee`s mental instability, and bizarre personality. Plus, he never heard the name Jack Ruby until Lee was shot, nor did he ever suggest he did.
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Robert knew about Lee`s mental instability, and bizarre personality"
he did ? .
"Plus, he never heard the name Jack Ruby until Lee was shot, nor did he ever suggest he did"
i never suggested he did so the point is moot isnt it .
"He knew all about the the hell and insanity Lee went through, being trapped by that monster of a mother he was stuck with"
when your ready to provide proof of your claims about oswalds mother ill be waiting .
fobrien1 4 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Marina very much changed her tune...as the conspiracy creeps were able to get to her over the years, coupled with her natural human desire of not wanting to be known as the wife of history`s most infamous assassin."
you couldnt know very much about marina if you make that comment ,by the way she still uses the name oswald "marina oswald porter " and does not hide her relationship to lee oswald in fact she has even petitioned for documents to be released .
fobrien1 6 days ago
@fobrien1 I have nothing against Marina...or Junie or Rachel.
Lee`s actions in Dealey Plaza scarred them forever, and they are victims every bit as much as JFK & Tippit.
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
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@MrYellowlabs "I have nothing against Marina...or Junie or Rachel.
Lee`s actions in Dealey Plaza scarred them forever, and they are victims every bit as much as JFK & Tippit"
i like you have nothing against june or rachel after all they were just babies . but again they would have opposing opinions . but i guess like with oswalds brother robert you grab on to his every word as tho its gospel ,but you dismiss his mothers opinion ---------------------------
fobrien1 5 days ago
@MrYellowlabs she was a crazy lady because she didnt say what you want to hear .are you aware that june and rachel also disagree on their fathers guilt or innocence ,i bet i know which one you think is crazy just like her granny (or maybe you werent even aware of that ?) how about john pic ? whos side would he be on ? . i bet as long as someone says oswald was guilty thats all you would need ,osama bin laden "yes oswald was guilty as sin" and i bet you would be quoting him.
fobrien1 5 days ago
@fobrien1 You sure hate being confronted with the facts. No surprise! All conspiracy wackos hate the true facts as much cockroaches hate the bright sunshine...they all scamper around at that point.
So, where`s the evidence Robert knew of Ruby? Don`t bother, it doesn`t exist, you`ll never find it!
John Pic died many years ago. June & Rachel...what a shock, they don`t want to live with the stigma of being Lee`s daughter! Who can blame them! Sure they wish it had been someone else!
MrYellowlabs 5 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "You sure hate being confronted with the facts. No surprise!"
well when you get round to actually confronting me with some facts i guess we will find out .
"So, where`s the evidence Robert knew of Ruby? Don`t bother, it doesn`t exist, you`ll never find it!"
beats me as i never suggested such a thing so again your oint is moot.
fobrien1 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "June & Rachel...what a shock, they don`t want to live with the stigma of being Lee`s daughter! Who can blame them!"
really ? you might want to recheck your facts on that .
fobrien1 4 days ago
@MrYellowlabs for you to prove what you say is true . every where i go im asked by LNs for links /cites etc to prove what i say is accurate (and i provide the information to prove im accurate ) are you saying the same requirment of proof doesnt apply to LNs ? .
"No problem...In the end, "justice" was broought to Oswald in the form of Ruby!"
your here because in your mind justice wasnt done (he is legally innocent ) he should have fried shouldnt he? and it galls you that he didnt .
fobrien1 6 days ago
@fobrien1 As I said earlier...Oswald was unable to escape "justice".
He didn`t even get to live long enough to enjoy his "fame".
Had he lived...his conviction would have came about in 1964-65, and his appeals would have run out by 1967. He would have been strapped in the electric chair {Huntsville, Tx.} no later than 1967-68.
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "As I said earlier...Oswald was unable to escape "justice"."
bugs the hell out of you doesnt it ? that little commie punk got off with just being shot instead of being fried and that he will always legally be an innocent man . your problem is your hate for a man you never knew blinds you to all reason .
fobrien1 6 days ago
@fobrien1 It bugs me that Oswald was unable to escape justice???
Why would it bug me? He died a violent death...fine with me! The only thing that bugs me is that he was not aborted in 1939!
MrYellowlabs 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "You do not hold the government to the accepted standard of proving one`s guilt beyond a REASONABLE doubt...you demand they do so to the unreasonable and uncalled for standard of beyond a SHADOW of a doubt."
its as simple as this if the government (or you )want to say such things as oswald owned the rifle then i expect them and you to show proof that he owned it . as it stands you havent go past providing proof he bought and posted the money order .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 More than enough proof was provided to prove Hiddel/Oswald {same person} was the owner. You simply choose to ignore the obvious.
You`re probably waiting for more proof before you`ll be willing to accept that the world is not flat.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "More than enough proof was provided to prove Hiddel/Oswald {same person} was the owner. You simply choose to ignore the obvious.2
allright then ill go along with you ,theres more than enough proof that oswald bought/owned the rifle but i cant seem to find it so can you please post some of it for me .after all you say theres lots of proof so posting some of it should be very easy .
fobrien1 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "You`re probably waiting for more proof before you`ll be willing to accept that the world is not flat. "
i could fling insults back in your direction and im guessing thats what you would prefer than you wouldnt have to squirm over not providing evidence/proof . but an intelligent well researched person has no need to insult people to win a debate ,but i guess you wouldnt know much about that.
fobrien1 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs "Even if Oswald had confessed, you would have quickly claimed he was coerced by the government!"
now your trying to come up with anything to make me sound irrational and unreasonable , but when one one reads my comments and they read yours im sure they will clearly see which of us is the more rational and reasonable .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Appearing rational & reasonable? I`m sure you`re referring to most others on this this specific YouTube video {"Two Men In Dallas"}...which is ground zero for all "tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy clowns"!
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Appearing rational & reasonable? I`m sure you`re referring to most others on this this specific YouTube video {"Two Men In Dallas"}...which is ground zero for all "tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy clowns"! "
im still waiting for all this evidence and proof you speak of . ill ask again can you post proof that (oswald who was provably in work at the time ) bought and posted the money order for the rifle ? ,
fobrien1 6 days ago
@MrAsshole Why do you call yourself asshole? And where is your proof of anything you lies about?
jacobji5 1 week ago
@jacobji5 Why?
So you`ll know exactly where to lick.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Yes, conspiracy theorists are crazy. Any person who ignores the obvious {Oswals acted alone} and tries twisting or manufacturing "facts" to support their crazy beliefs, is crazy.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Yes, conspiracy theorists are crazy. Any person who ignores the obvious {Oswals acted alone} and tries twisting or manufacturing "facts" to support their crazy beliefs, is crazy"
i invite you to point to any comment of mine that you think ive been dishonest inand where i twisted or manufactured facts ,if you cant do that i expect an appology .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 You`ve got one hell of a long wait. As long a wait as your boy {Oswald} faces in ever getting his named cleared as the lone assassin!
So far, he has been rotting in his grave for 48 years with that stigma. Eternity awaits him.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "You`ve got one hell of a long wait. As long a wait as your boy {Oswald} faces in ever getting his named cleared as the lone assassin! So far, he has been rotting in his grave for 48 years with that stigma. Eternity awaits him."
so you falsely accuse people of twisting and manufacturing facts and then refuse to apolagise for doing so ,and you have the gall to call oswald a liar .
fobrien1 6 days ago
@MrYellowlabs i personally know two people one a young man who was sexually molested all through his childhood by his father ,another young man gave his motor bike to his brother and his brother crashed it and tragicly died .both of these young men tragicly took there own lives because they simply could not see a way to carry on with the pain and grief in their life . neither of these fine young men were to use your words ----------------------
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 I don`t see where Craig falls into this sexual abuse category.
The people you knew who took their lives clearly needed therapy, but apparently did not get it.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs i gave two examples and clearly sexual abuse was not the cause for both ,guilt over a brothers tragic death was the cause of one suicide . there can be any number of reasons why a person takes their life ,i know of someone (not personally ) who took his life because he was denied access to his child and told he would never again see his child and that was obviously some thing he couldnt bear to live with .---------------------
fobrien1 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs craig taking his life was a very different set of circumstances but none the less tragic .if you think people who take their own life all fit into one nice neat little category your much mistaken.
fobrien1 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs moronic nuts .they were hard working honest and decent people one of whom was a father .roger craig also was a husband and a father ,he was officer of the year in 1960 . after the assassination he lost his job ,he travelled the country to find work and when he did he was soon layed off once his employers found out who he was .so he then found work increasingly difficult to find . his truck was run off the road and he was shot at -----------------------
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 How many Dallas police officers faced these problems? None, if any, from what I can tell. Perhaps Craig had issues, whereas 99.99% of the force did not?
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "How many Dallas police officers faced these problems? None, if any, from what I can tell. Perhaps Craig had issues, whereas 99.99% of the force did not?"
again your very much mistaken ,but case in point is seymore weitzman (the mauser man ) dont believe me ? check it out .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Just because a Dallas cop---at a first, quick glance at the rifle said he thought it was a Mauser---"conspiracy nuts" ignore that upon further study, the Dallas cops quickly realized it was CM. They stand corrected and quickly admitted that.
No matter what the make, Oswald OWNED that rifle and he used it to kill JFK.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Just because a Dallas cop---at a first, quick glance at the rifle said he thought it was a Mauser---"conspiracy nuts" ignore that upon further study, the Dallas cops quickly realized it was CM. They stand corrected and quickly admitted that."
well now if you want to post weitzmans detailed description of the rifle (or i will ,its up to you) you say he only glanced and discuss it ill be happy to do so .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs "No matter what the make, Oswald OWNED that rifle and he used it to kill JFK. "
so you say ,and ive asked you repeatedly to please provide proof of your claims . starting with how oswald bought and posted the money order when he was provably in work .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs he was followed and threatened and both he and his wife went into poor health .in 1975 he clearly reached a point where he could take no more and thought he couldnt carry on and decided to tragicly end his life . you insult the memory of such people with your idiotic comments.
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Craig wanted his 15 minutes of fame. He only got 15 seconds. That is why he killed himself.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Craig wanted his 15 minutes of fame. He only got 15 seconds. That is why he killed himself."
that comment of yours is ridiculous but par for the course for LNs ,he got far more than 15 minutes of fame he got 12 years of it ,but he never asked for any fame and certainly didnt want it. he just wanted to tell the truth .unfortuately he didnt know telling the truth would cost him everything including his life.
fobrien1 1 week ago
It's jus staggering how stupid people are. They actually believe a report saying a bullet "hung in mid air" for nearly 2 seconds. They believe a bullet can be 'pristine' even after 100 tests showed otherwise. They can ignore or "re-see" a film after the Gov't tells them what they are looking at. I just can't understand this level of ignorance.
PabloPena108 2 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 No bullet exited JFK's throat from the back of his neck. That wound in his throat was a frontal shot. That bullet had absolutely no blood on it. It was flattened bacause it had been fired from the MC,possibly into some water to make sure it matched ballistically to the alleged "Oswald rifle". The WC saw a photo where a wound was moved up higher on JFK's back to match a possible exit in his neck. That, as you know, never happened.
TheAmbassador11 2 weeks ago
@TheAmbassador11 probably the bullet that made a clean hole in the windshield.
nicenonya3 1 week ago
@TheAmbassador11 Ford admitted that he helped move the back wound
nicenonya3 1 week ago
I think JESUITS, CIA & MAFIA were all involved in the Murder of KENNEDy see VATICAN ASSASSINS,
deadadelta 3 weeks ago
@deadadelta Gerald Ford was EVIL see CATHY O'BRIAN MkUltra Victim
deadadelta 3 weeks ago
It's the responsibility of citizens to know what their government is up to.
mattfirebird 3 weeks ago
Roger Craig is one of the heroes of this case for telling the truth. It is our generation's responsibility to make sure the Lone Nut theorists do not try to distort history and cover up the truth.
TheLensSolution 3 weeks ago
I think it's the first time I heard someone meantion that "the 3 spent cartridges where lay in three in a row, not more than an inch apart, all pointing in the same direction." Also, first time I've heard about the brown paper lunch sack and the soda bottle. Seem a bit odd! Who brings lunch to an "assassination nest"? Weird! Yet, I find Roger Craig thrustwhorty. What do ya recon?
elfving73 4 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
I THiNK JACK RUBY and J.D TİPPİT WERE VERY İMPORTANT FOR JFK ASSASSİNATİON..
AND OSWALD WAS NOT FİRST MAN FOR ASSASSİNATİON
SUSSTURUCU 1 month ago
@SUSSTURUCU Tippit was just in the wrong place at the right time,those guys were there to put a hit on Oswald before he could talk,Lee might have known he was set up!
nicenonya3 1 week ago
Lawyers: Bullet was switched at Sirhan's trial- search Yahoo news for Nov. 29, 2011, as this thing won't let me post links for some reason
prestonpeet1 2 months ago
@prestonpeet1 There's no evidence those CIA-controlled scumbags at CNN won't schmooze over. America's a rotten country and fraud.
Exiles800 4 weeks ago
I wrote the following for High Times magazine back in 2009, Are the JFK, RFK and MLK Hits Finally Solved?
By Preston Peet for High Times
Posted at DrugWar.com Sept. 3, 2009
Originally published in High Times Magazine May, 2009
(front page at drugwar(dot)com)
prestonpeet1 2 months ago
Face it kids, our president was murdered from within our own government... it's not a pretty world, in case you haven't noticed
1982Lennon 2 months ago 9
yeah and check out how long Oawald was stationed at Atsugi air base, over a year. I have a doc that reads about LSD mind control experiments being done at Atgusi. I think ONI was behind the experiments along with the CIA.
Either there were two Oswalds or the bus ride and the taxi ride etc were all bunk. I believe Craig all the way. The two rifles blows the Warren Report out of the water.
bucknorm 2 months ago in playlist JFK: The Dallas Murder Files
@bucknorm Yes, there were two "Oswalds". One was the fake Oswald that R.Craig saw get into the Rambler,( who later blazed a trail to the Texas Theatre where the real Oswald was). The real Oswald,I believe did take a cab/bus ride to his rooming house. The imposter went to theatre to draw attention to LHO. The imposter obviously knew where LHO would be. The owner of the hobby shop next to the theatre said he was someone that he thought was Oswald. It was the imposter being led out the alley.
TheAmbassador11 2 weeks ago
what the hell was Oswald doing in the grassy knoll ? rendezvous point maybe with other gunman?
gentle7ways7 4 months ago
@gentle7ways7 It was either Oswald or his CIA double. Read James Douglass' 'JFK And The Unspeakable' to understand the use of CIA doubles to frame Oswald. He was leaving the Depository via his CIA accomplice in the station wagon witnessed by Craig. The Dealey Plaza assassination was a big stage set by CIA.
Exiles800 3 months ago
@Exiles800 yes i heard the CIA use doubles in certain covert ops,this would explain so many Oswald doubles in the plaza,help to reinforce one man gunman logic
gentle7ways7 3 months ago
@gentle7ways7 You should learn of the Oswald seen at the shooting range, car dealer, and other places. CIA screwed-up with the Ralph Yates hitch-hiking timing exactly because Oswald was at work at that time. Maybe Oswald wasn't supposed to escape the Depository alive? In any case, the timing problem with the Ralph Yates Oswald double caused FBI to take such drastic action. The Oswald double was meant to show a Lone Nut carrying a gun to the Depository while openly talking about shooting JFK.
Exiles800 3 months ago
@Exiles800 this would make sense as i did hear about the rifle range and car sales thing they say the CIA wanted the town to know of Oswald exploits, almost printing some indelible memory of this man thus to win over there version in the public domain,they certainly got Oswald very quickly with almost clairvoyant intuition at the local cinema
gentle7ways7 3 months ago
Read Douglass' 'JFK And The Unspeakable'. What is incredible is the Oswald double deliberately acted suspiciously and led police into the theater. No one ever questioned that the reason "Oswald" ran past the ticket booth was because he was trying to draw the cops to the second Oswald sitting on the ground floor. Julia Postal, the ticket seller, ran away crying and couldn't answer whether or not she sold Oswald a ticket. She did that because she had sold the 1st Oswald a ticket. FBI gagged Julia.
Exiles800 3 months ago
@Exiles800 i have read Oswald talked book and it has a photograph of oswald and dave ferrie at a civil air patrol camp near alexandria , louisiana in 1955 the photo belies arguments of gerald posner that ferrie did not know oswald,when they did know of each other very important at that time.
gentle7ways7 3 months ago
@gentle7ways7 The whole thing is obvious. Oswald was networked in to CIA early on and went into intelligence through Atsugi air base and then onto Russia as a CIA false defector. He kept in contact with the David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, Cuban exile CIA network during the build-up to the Assassination. There's no point in the US Government denying it anymore. JFK's assassination was a fascist Coup done by the CIA.
Exiles800 3 months ago
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@Exiles800 it certainly seems that way
gentle7ways7 3 months ago
@Exiles800: (Reply part 1-2) I'm just about to begun reading the "JFK And The Unspeakable", looking forward to! Anyway, my take is (it's still a mess in my head, but there IS something to this) that Donald Wayne House, the first "suspect" of the assassination of JFK, caught in Oak Cliff, was actually in the plot. He was very look-alike LHO, and I think his part was to, pretending being Oswald making sure there was witnessess, shoot Officer JD Tippit in his cheast AND his head...
elfving73 4 weeks ago
@Exiles800 (Reply 2-2)... then he was supposed to ran of to the Theatre, where LHO already where seated - WITH A TICKET. And there LHO was framed! And more, JD Tippit was uncanny look-alike to JFK. Maybe this wasn't a coincident? Maybe he was carefully picked to be used as a look-alike, fresh body, for the faked autopsy pictures.
elfving73 4 weeks ago
@elfving73 I don't think Tippit looked too much like JFK. I think Tippit was set-up by CIA and murdered in order to frame Oswald and make an excuse for killing him. You'll do good by reading 'Unspeakable'.
Exiles800 4 weeks ago
@elfving73
migo53333 3 weeks ago
Mark Lane-----The very first JFK assassination con-artist!
MrYellowlabs 5 months ago
@MrYellowlabs Lane is con artist? Are you kidding? Did you not see the documentation and photographs provided in this documentary, backed up by the police affidavit & CIA report? You're a typical Lone Nut theorist - telling us we should believe you instead of our lying eyes.
TheLensSolution 3 weeks ago
@TheLensSolution Gotta love the "Conspiracy Clowns"! Forty eight years later, and they`re still too blind to see that the Warren Commission was right all along.
Mark Lane, Oliver Stone, Cyril Wecht all thank you...for falling for their ridiculous lies!
MrYellowlabs 3 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs WARREN OMISSION WAS RIGHT ABOUT NOTHING
nicenonya3 3 weeks ago
@nicenonya3 I have heard from another site that John J.McCloy was (alledgedly) at the meeting at Clint Murchinson's home the same night LBJ, Hoover, etc were the night before JFK's murder. If that is true, (and that's a big "if"), do you know the implication of that? That would be that Mr. Mc.Cloy was at a meeting discussing the murder before the fact, then served on the W.Commission after the fact. After the murder, LBJ became president and later, Ford, (WC) and later Nixon, were presidents.
TheAmbassador11 2 weeks ago
@nicenonya3 LBJ was FBI director for life. A lot of the Warren Commission people went on to "higher things" after their conclusions were drawn. Allan Dulles and J.Mc.Cloy also benefitted. Oswald's "guilt" was determined long before the shots were fired in Dealy Plaza. Why would it take 26 volumes to conclude that a "lone nut" killed JFK? "Lone nutters" say that it was an "open and shut" case. 26 volumes is a lot of information for a "lone nut murder".
TheAmbassador11 2 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs These are the idiots that make real investigation impossible.
PabloPena108 3 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 Sorry Pablo...but, your "little patsy" did all the shooting that day in Dallas.
MrYellowlabs 3 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs Well if he's MINE then I guess I have the right to say he didn't do it.
PabloPena108 3 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs And btw I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but you're too stupid to understand what's going on. Back to American Gladiators for you.
PabloPena108 3 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 If you were alive 100 years ago, you`d be one of the fools running around yelling..."Booth didn`t shoot Lincoln, he was seen in the lobby of the theatre buying Milk Duds at the time of the shooting!".
MrYellowlabs 3 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs Funny you mention Lincoln. I'm surprised you're not trolling youtube videos shouting "Don't believe the Hype! It was NOT a conspiracy! The Feds wrongly sent 8 men to their deaths! See? this is what bizarre conspiracy theories make you do!"
PabloPena108 3 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 No, that one WAS a conspiracy.
JFK killing, not a conspiracy...unless you count the "Lane, Stone, Wecht Conspiracy"!
MrYellowlabs 3 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs Believe me if you were living in Lincoln's time you would be shouting at the top of your lungs not to believe the conspiracy freaks. Don't kid yourself.
PabloPena108 3 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 Hey Pablo, keep searching for JFK`s "real killers"...just like OJ Simpson continues to look for the "real killers" of his ex-wife!
I`m sure you & OJ are both rapidly closing in on the murderers!
MrYellowlabs 2 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs Wow really? So there was a pristine bullet in the Oj case huh? There was a super bullet there too huh? We saw a video of her being murdered and are asked to not believe what we're looking at huh? Typical lone nutter idiot. America is so full of these stupid morons it's a wonder we can exist.
PabloPena108 2 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 There was no "pristine" bullet in the JFK case either. The bottom portion of the bullet was significantly flattened. It hit JFK`s soft tissue near his neck, and Connelly`s rib.
MrYellowlabs 2 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs the average round for the mannlicer carcano weighs 165 grains, CE399 weighed in at around 156 grains. That's pristine.
PabloPena108 2 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 Nobody disputes a bullet entered the back of JFK`s neck, and exited his front throat. From there, where did it go? No "pristine" bullet was found inside the car.
That bullet had nowhere else to go but to enter Connelly`s back after exiting JFK! They lined up perfectly, and they both reacted to the bullet at virtually the same moment.
MrYellowlabs 2 weeks ago
@MrYellowlabs "Nobody disputes a bullet entered the back of JFK`s neck, and exited his front throat"
i beg to differ ,firsty the bullet entered the back not the neck ,it entered it some inches below shoulder level just to the right of the spine .admiral burkley stated this was at about T3 (third thoracic vertebrae) ,during the autopsy the back wound was probed with a finger and a surgical probe and found to be a shallow wound .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 Yes, Oswald was shooting from the back, so it makes sense that JFK was struck from behind.
Now, tell me exactly where THAT bullet went after exiting JFK`s throat.
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
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@MrYellowlabs "Yes, Oswald was shooting from the back, so it makes sense that JFK was struck from behind."
well now based on the known facts your partly correct jfk was struck in the back from behind ,but as to who may have fired that shot well the facts are not so clear .yes there is circumstantial evidence pointing at oswald but equally there is evidence to the contrary .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs "Now, tell me exactly where THAT bullet went after exiting JFK`s throat."
i think in your zest to grab a gotcha moment you forgot one very important thing which is i never claimed any bullet exited jfks throath . now your going to say well if it didnt exit where did it go ? the answer is i dont know but the back wound being shallow would better explain the near pristine condition of ce399 dont you think ?.
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 So, the bullet that entered JfK`s upper back area, and tore a hole in his throat never exited his body?
That`s a new one! Not even Cyril could come up with that one!
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs "So, the bullet that entered JfK`s upper back area, and tore a hole in his throat never exited his body?"
you really do have difficulty either reading or understanding comments dont you ,do you not understand the words SHALLOW WOUND ? .
doctor James Jenkins, one of the medical technicians at the autopsy, has reported that he could even see the probe pushing against the lining of the chest cavity (14:477). "There was," he says, "no entry into the chest cavity."
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 What is stopping you from answering the damn question---where did that bullet come to rest??
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs ill say it one more time and maybe this time it will sink in I---NEVER---CLAIMED---ANY---BULLET---EXITED---JFKS---THROATH . you claim the bullet exited the throath so prove it ,it shouldnt be hard should it ? . perhaps you can explain the doctors account of a shallow wound ? .
fobrien1 1 week ago
@fobrien1 You have been dodging the question all day, but here it comes again :
WHERE DID THE BULLET, THAT STRUCK JFK`S UPPER BACK REGION, FINALLY COME TO REST?
MrYellowlabs 1 week ago
@MrYellowlabs is this how you normally debate ? .do you normally make completely inaccurate claims and then refuse to acknowledge your errors when they are pointed out to you ? ,i mean im still waiting for the zapruder film frame numbers that you say shows conally looking at jfk at the time of the head shot . i cant see what the prolem is it should be easy after all the z film is available right here on youtube complete with frame numbers .-----------------------------------
fobrien1 1 week ago