I own a BMW 3 series saloon and a Honda Accord Tourer. Believe me, something breaks on the BMW every few months and it NEVER goes through an MOT without needing some work. The Honda just keeps going, last two years no repairs, only services. BMW can only dream of that sort of reliability! The BMW is much more fun to drive though so it just depends on what your priorities are.
come on guys the direct injection technology it isn't honda's investion.Even the VTEC isn't hondas invetion they stole it from BMW the 1980 Has honda ever designed anythng and not just copy it from Europe?
@1992aligator But, today's result is the factor that counts. Honda didn't so much "steal" direct injection, vtec etc, they simply took something BMW made a shambles of and made it alot better. BMW's mechanical engineers cannot even compare to the skill level of Honda's, its pretty obvious, just look at the reliability and economy comparison between the two manufacturers. Honda is by far the leader.
@djmixmac are you mad bmw makes quality honda makes shit get in an accident in a hond you have to buy a new car or your dead get in an accident in a bmw your alive and you just have to replace the part i have owned a bmw for over 10 years no trouble yet my buddy owns a honda civic alwas buy the mechanic
that's not totaly true anymore. the new encap rules made manufacturers including BMW have soft bumpers and bonets. get into a crash with a new BMW and the result is the same as a Honda.
@DJOgurchik nope. it's the direct injected i-VTEC engine found in the 1st-Gen Stream...isn't sold here in the States but Asians get that little minivan.
except for the fact that that thing is as tall as the damned Burj Khalifa, and is top heavy, so your handling is going to go straight to hell... Volkswagon's flat 4 and flat 6 are much better engineered. low center of gravity=better handling, and better handling=less friction due to changing direction of the object, and that=greater fuel efficiency.
i have a honda accord 2011 that we bought under 20,000 brand new thats a supercharged k24 engine thats supposed to be the most efficient engine in the world but its only used in the honda accords and no other vehicle can run it because its backwards. the entire engine block is reversed.
I just dont get Honda....If they are certainly a company with great potential for creating high performance car that is reliable and with best engine technology out there. but they stopped productions on NSX, RSX and so many great cars. Only performance base car Honda produces today is the Civic Si which isnt a bad car but Honda could do so much better so why not?
@carbon310 lambo utliza sistema de valvulas variables y adivina a quien se le ocurrio esa idea the power of the dreams estudia algo de historia ademas tu crees q es mejor el motor de 2.5 5L de la vw q produce 170 hp oooo es mejor el 1.6 4L del vivic vtec q produce 160hp @8000 rpm
@VIPERSRT10SC no importa que motor produce mas hp, lo que importa es qual es mas eresistible caros europeos son echos de mejor qualidad que los hoda o japones. y lo que la cago del 2.5 es que el intak manefold es echo de plastico i bien angosto.
@scopez4u makes better fuel econ then your american stuff we can race are cars and drive em to another city on one tank of gas and j series honda engines are made in america ohio i believe
@jbzEK9 w8 a minute, why, did the debate got to the type-r anyway. i was just explaining why the i-vtec has flaws. besides dude what i was explaining before is that the i-vtec isnt all the best, its Main engine competitors like the 3sge and 4g63 or 4b11, or sr20. are its main competitors. yes the Type-R is good in its own league. but if your gonna compare it to its main rivals like the 3sgte, or the 4b11 of the evo, then it will have a tough time competing with it.
If you want to talk about evos vs FWD hondas, again, your not comparing apples with apples. Hondas are KING of FWD N/A class.
Even Spoon EK9 260hp 1.8L N/A laps Tsukuba 1-2secs faster than a 480hp turbo'd EK9. So dont go and think its all that simple and say stuff that you dont know much about. You don't even know anything about the car you drive. Thats just embarrassing dude. Your knowledge of hondas is like less than 2% of other people of whos knows what is good tech.
@jbzEK9 and furthermore. this is why i hate people who are single minded on 1 single class and brand of engine, and brushes away the joys of understanding what the other engines of other brands are like. and YES i know that honda cars are king of N/A FWD class. even the astra vxr cant keep up with it.
you talked about engines on your first post. thats all ive been talking about. I never talked about comparing cars until you did.
I've owned an m3, amg, porsche, nsx, many hondas and dude, i know what is good tech. The fact that a 1980s SOHC 2.2L honda achieved the fastest FWD N/A in the world is saying a lot about engine tech.
You said the k20a cant compare to evo motor? dude, your already off track there. K20a + VTC + Vtec + turbo = nice engine.
@jbzEK9 and again, im comparing what sport cars honda's have and the other car brands have. you have been mislead again, dont tell me that the integra wasnt built not compete with the silvia's and eclipse? the evo and the STI can be compared by the s2000's and the NSX. its basically a mindset dude. its not about the FWD and N/A or 4WD and turbos. im talking about a different kind of class. a class rank of A-D.
Unfortunately you cant just base your statement based on Class A-D especially when your talking about engines. Even with cars, theres more classes than just A-D. Your not talking specific enough.
Look back to what you said about your non-type R k20 isnt as good as toyota and mitsu engine. Omg just wtf you comparing?
@jbzEK9 i didnt got off topic dude. i merely named the cars because the engines that i mentioned was bolted in them. if you got confused about it, then it would be my bad. im not afraid of admitting something that basically my fault. but i merely pointed out that, there are some areas on which the honda engines cant match up with other branded engines, like engine noise, fuel economy, and other factors.
@jbzEK9 because you might think that, im only talking about the performance stuffs. but im actually posting about everything that has to do with the engine, because honda engines dont have that sense fluidity, but the honda engine makes up with how urgent and responsive it is. well fuel economy, well i dont know about that, the K and B series are thirsty bastards, i cant even make it go 10KM/L with my DC5.
The 1.8L you see in this video is the most efficient 1.8 in the world.
B-series came out in 1989, its well above everything at the time. K-series came out 2001, 10 years ago and is still famous for its efficiency in making power and economy Naturally Aspirated. Show me another engine like it.
@jbzEK9 you see the difference between the ranks that im talking about then the class that your talking about. car companies set different kinds of class on which the people can choose from. Again you have been mislead again.
just read very carefully on what you've said since the begining and how its gone now. Your off topic now. And this video is about engines. Not car vs car.
@jbzEK9 let me give you a concrete example on what i am blabbering about. the Porsche put the cayman in production to fill the gap between the boxster and the 911's. why? because the they found out that the cayman has a different kind of market on which the boxster and the 911 cant go. its also the same with other brands.
@jbzEK9 the honda has the civic, and the toyota has the corolla, or the ford has the focus. now do you understand what class i am posting about. this is why i hate forums or posting threads. because i can't fully get through the person im debating to. and also dude, you got to have a openmindness about this kind of things because, sometimes you post something that i am not talking about. im not here to make a flamewar to anybody,
@jbzEK9 so its best to ask before you blabber out stuff that im not really talking about. "Thats just embarrassing dude. Your knowledge of hondas is like less than 2% of other people of whos knows what is good tech. " you see your message, i didn't discriminate you 1 bit at my posts. ASK 1st on what some1 is talking about before you make harsh remarks on some1.
Dont' talk about i-vtec has flaws, Can you show me a perfect engine? Then why do manufacturers keep updating? K-series was an EPIC engine that the tuning world came to love. Hondas are popular because they carry the latest technology from F1 compared to other companies that take 7 years to implement on road cars. So many K-series are running 10sec, 11secs 1/4miles N/A. An Evo would need big turbos producing 500-600hp to run 11s. Dont compare turbo with N/A, honda = King 4cyl N/A
@jbzEK9 once again you are mislead from what i am saying. YES! honda engines have flaws, but did i say that the other engines are perfect? common dude your interpreting something that im not talking about. YES the honda engines are good in some areas, but its not all good, and yes some other branded engines are good in place where the honda engines cant compete. but at the same time its the other way around. the other branded engines cant compete on some places where the engines are good at.
Please stop this nonsense and useless debate. your foundation is very limited.
Strip off the turbos on those SR20s, evos, stis, etc and then compare the engines.
The fact that evos are fast is not because of the engine, its the CAR.
Building HP with turbos is much easier than N/A. Honda was the first to develop turbo cars in F1 back in the 50s-60s. You think honda cant do turbos? They have a strong concept of efficiency and enviromently friendly technology. Thats their concept
@jbzEK9 besides, you made the statement that" because your DC5 is not a type-R, how would you that my DC5 is not a TYPE-R have you even met be before. i clearly check the papers before i signed it. because in my country. the imported cars have different plate no.s than local ones. i even bought a conversion kit, so that i would make it left hand drive, because it was originally right hand drive.
@jbzEK9 what even makes you say that anyway? is it because that in my 1st post i didnt wrote TYPE-R on it. dude clearly you were the one at fault here, again, admit something that you are wrong to. i admitted that i have gone off topic. but the root of all that was you, you clearly made assumptions on somethings you have clarified yet. why is ASKING really that hard on people these days? will you lose your pride over something that is trivial to others?
@jbzEK9 "if you really had a type R. You would say "DC5R" Do you really understand what your saying? Because I dont...
jbzEK9 1 hour ago" this is a stupid answer you know that, all you could do is just ASK if its a type-r or not IF THE PERSON DIDNT MENTIONED IT. stupidity at its best.
Were any of my facts wrong? You still saying shit like other engines more efficient etc. Why don't you name 1 naturally aspirated engine for me?
You clearly dont drive a Type R. You know it, I know it. Because you dont know anything about cars. I bet you just sat in a really fast EVO and was blown away and start to bitch about your own DC5 non-type R how its so slow and non-hardcore.
Boy, just give it up. Stop guessing and making wrong statements
@jbzEK9 im not getting through am I? in my 1st post i said that i was just merely pointing out the flaws of the honda engine on my DC5. you blur out that my car is not a type-r. let me ask you this in my 1st post what made you say that my car is not a type-r? is because i didnt wrote type-r on my 1st post? now you'd be the judge if freaking idiot? you clearly made assumptions on my 1st post.
@jbzEK9 this is what i am on about now you freaking idiot. i can see clearly now that you dont understand what i am pointing out this time. JUST freaking read your 1st reply on me, tell me why you made an assumption that my integra DC5 is not a type-R? COME ON answer that question. your clearly avoiding my ONLY question. NOW answer.
@jbzEK9 now answer this 1 true question that has been bugging ever since this debate.(im using caps so that you can see my question) " WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT MY INTEGRA DC5 IS NOT A TYPE-R ON YOUR 1ST REPLY ON MY 1ST POST ON THIS VIDEO THREAD?" before all this sh*t went lose, answer that 1 question.
@jbzEK9 and i beg the differ on your reaction about the fuel economy. this 1.8 liter in real life or daily situation is not the most efficient 1.8. the vvti of the corolla is more fuel efficient than this. why do you actually believe that you believe the f*cking ads on what this car companies portray. yes you can get the figures that they presented, but it would seriously be different to persons driving habits.
@jbzEK9 driving habits meaning, there would be no-A/C while driving. late braking, easing up on the throttle. you may know the fucking fuel economy facts that the car companies portray on tv ads and brochure, but apply it on a day to day basis, then it would be irrelevant and useless.
@beefcakemonsta and jbzEK9. you guys have both rights wrongs on your reactions. beefcake: you clearly made every1 confused on what you are talking about, jzEK9: you are completely disregarding the reply he wanted on his question, which is why did make rash assumptions on why his car is a DC5 or not. you 2 should grow up. fighting over something that people profit from you. what a bunch of SAPS.
@jbzEK9 "If you really had a type R. You would say "DC5R" Do you really understand what your saying? Because I dont... " a very stupid answer..... people can say DC5 even if its a type-R. if you want to clarify if he's DC5 is type-R or not, THEN JUST ASK IF IT IS OR NOT? omg stupidity at its best.
@jbzEK9 "If you really had a type R. You would say "DC5R" Do you really understand what your saying? Because I dont..." some people would say DC5 even if its a type-r or not. your answer is stupid you know. if you want to clarify if his DC5 is a type-r or not, YOU COULD ASK IF IT IS OR NOT. stupidity at its best.......
@jbzEK9 dude this kid wont give up. you already know that this is a kid then why still reply at his posts. if your really an adult then just ignore him, don't stoop to his level. because people here would think that your a adult who can only take on a child. don't be fucking immature with this kid, you will only make yourself look bad.
@beefcakemonsta hey kid enough with the fucking off topics already. try to grow up, the guy is just merely correcting statements on which you were wrong at. yes he may assume stuffs out, but its fucking normal. dont get to offend on what he said earlier.
@jbzEK9 w8 a minute, why, did the debate got to the type-r anyway. i was just explaining why the i-vtec has flaws. besides dude what i was explaining before is that the i-vtec is all the best, its Main engine competitors like the 3sge and 4g63 or 4b11, or sr20. are its main competitors. yes the Type-R is good in its own league. but if your gonna compare it to its main rivals like the 3sgte, or the 4b11 of the evo, then it will have a tough time competing with it.
Also, not to insult you or anything, I dont think you know much about tech. N/A engines that make over 100hp per litre are much higher tech than turbo engines which only rely on strength of parts to cater Boost.
In the honda community world wide, the most powerful one so far is a K-series bored to 2.6L making 380whp. thats 146whp per litre, which is about 160bhp+ per litre. no turbos. You have no idea what kind of precision, combinations and tuning is needed to do that.
@jbzEK9 w8 a minute, why, did the debate got to the type-r anyway. i was just explaining why the i-vtec has flaws. besides dude what i was explaining before is that the i-vtec isnt all the best, its Main engine competitors like the 3sge and 4g63 or 4b11, or sr20. are its main competitors. yes the Type-R is good in its own league. but if your gonna compare it to its main rivals like the 3sgte, or the 4b11 of the evo, then it will have a tough time competing with it.
You seriously dont know what you are comparing. How can you compare Turbo charged engines to N/A engines? That is very ignorant and stupid.
That fact that Hondas were the first to produce 100hp/per litre Naturally Aspirated back in 1989, even before ferrari. There is no other 4 Cyl N/A in the world that compares to hondas. The fastest honda N/A runs a 2.2L and ran 9.12sec 1/4 mile no nitrous. No other 4 cyls have done that. You are the whose not comparing apple with apples.
i think of the honda vtec engine as a good engine but not great. i myself own a integra DC5. i think of it as a good car but not a great one. the fact is there are other engines that can match up to my car's engine. for example the 4g63 of mitsubishi and the 3sge of the toyota.
dude the integra DC5 is a type-R engine, the non-typeR k20a engines are bolted on the civics, if you want to know more about the DC5 check in any honda club websites. if incase you dont know, all top end model integra's carry a Type-R badges, 1st gen integra which is the DC1 had a type-R b16a engine i think, the DC2 had a type-r b18 engine, and now the most latest model the DC5 carry a k20a type-r engine.
You are totally wrong with all the above, integra dc2 always had a 1.8. The b16b is exclusive to the ek9 civic r.
The only real k20a type r exists in the jdm dc5 type r. You are greatly mistaken. I own a ek9, dc2r and dc5r. go to k20a.org to see how many variations of k20s there are. If you've ever experienced a
Real type r, ud understand why they can overtake stock evos
@jbzEK9 dude i know the k20 engines the 2 type S and a type-r. anyways im not here to bicker about about our engines. im only here to post some facts about our engines. im not here to "troll" or to start a "flamebait" in this posting thread.
No dude. You said dc5 all have type r engines, that's totally off. There's about 5 types worldwide, the only one that has type r is type r in japan only. You shouldn't compare your non type r dc5 with an Evo motor. Civics don't have k20s either. Just don't post up stuff wen ur not certain. I don't mind, just a big correction there
@jbzEK9 w8 a min? why did the debate moved to the Type-R? what i was explaining before is that the ivtec has flaws, yes the i might compare it to the 4age or the 3sge of the mr2's or trueno's or the 4g63 of the galant or the 4b11 of the non-evo lancer. then it may have a hard time, because, i also have a 2.0 civic with i vtec on it, and im sad to say that its trying to hard to be everything.
@jbzEK9 i can compare it to that because these are its main rivals. if im gonna compare the Type-r version. then i might as well compare it to 4b11 of the evo, or the sr20 of the silvia's or the 3sgte of the turbo mr2's. because basically the Type-r is the race the race version, then its logical to compare to it's race version competitors. dude you just got mislead to my 1st post. if you have to read it more closely.
@jbzEK9 because the 4g63 that im talking about is the 4g63 of the galant, which is completely different from the 4g63 of the evo or the eclipse. or the 3sge, which is fitted to the mr2(nonturbo). im a great fan of honda cars. but im open minded on other engines of other brands. Yes honda engines are good, i applaud to that, but there are other engines that can equally match it.
@jbzEK9 dude the DC1 was a guess, i dont know the engine in it, but its good to inform me about what engine it is. but none the less i guessed on what the type of engine that the Dc1 has...
Now, if they could combine that with an engine that actually has reasonable displacement, then we'd have something to talk about. 155 HP is not high output by any stretch of the imagination. At high load, it operates like conventional MPFI engines with similar specific power output. IOW, its simply an economy engine.
What do you expect from a country that does not have any oil, Honda makes the best engines hands down. What about Ferrari V12s you say, they make V12 F1 engines too.
Dont think so. Dont know what country you live in but here in the Uk we there are three variants 2 litre 2.4 litre and 2.2 Diesel. Think you better check you facts before you comment. I think I Should Know as i worked for Honda UK as a Mechanic.
I have this identical engine in my 2006 Honda accord with Manual Gearbox and i can tell you this this car is not very fuel efficient it drinks fuel alot and it has no torque in the lower rev range you have to take it passed 4000 rpm to get any decent power. the engine does not suit a heavy car of 1400 kgs. not as Brilliant as this video suggests.
I-Vtec, Do you? LOL
Dillon1791 3 weeks ago
This techno music makes me wanna go to a rave, get some acid and fuck bitches.
andyrew932 3 weeks ago
yes honda make brilliant engines but the music in the background is even better LOL :-D
sasajungic89 3 weeks ago
GS-R killer! lol
88specv 1 month ago
Damn if only Honda made V8's
wishcaw 1 month ago
WoWWWWWW..O_o
johonx 2 months ago
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jasongohweemeng1 2 months ago
I own a BMW 3 series saloon and a Honda Accord Tourer. Believe me, something breaks on the BMW every few months and it NEVER goes through an MOT without needing some work. The Honda just keeps going, last two years no repairs, only services. BMW can only dream of that sort of reliability! The BMW is much more fun to drive though so it just depends on what your priorities are.
pastalavista 3 months ago
Honda is better than bmw. Infact, they are way better than bmw. Take it from me, I own both.
vintagegod30 4 months ago
it doesnt matter who copied who the final results is what matters.japanese industries started coping americans and look at today's results
reesoning2man 9 months ago
It’s not all about engine; you should research about transmission too. It part of your acceleration and let see how many lb it take.
jnnycliff 11 months ago
come on guys the direct injection technology it isn't honda's investion.Even the VTEC isn't hondas invetion they stole it from BMW the 1980 Has honda ever designed anythng and not just copy it from Europe?
1992aligator 11 months ago
@1992aligator Yeah the P50/monkey motorcycle engine! 1 million miles easy! :-)
Southslider51 10 months ago
@1992aligator But, today's result is the factor that counts. Honda didn't so much "steal" direct injection, vtec etc, they simply took something BMW made a shambles of and made it alot better. BMW's mechanical engineers cannot even compare to the skill level of Honda's, its pretty obvious, just look at the reliability and economy comparison between the two manufacturers. Honda is by far the leader.
Jaystyle93 8 months ago
i dont care i am bmw all the way
jessellanos787 1 year ago
@jessellanos787 BMW unfortunately cannot compete with Honda in terms of reliability and overall value.
Even new models of BMW suffer from Failed Fuel Pumps, Transmission issues, and electrical issues. No Thanks.
djmixmac 10 months ago 5
@djmixmac are you mad bmw makes quality honda makes shit get in an accident in a hond you have to buy a new car or your dead get in an accident in a bmw your alive and you just have to replace the part i have owned a bmw for over 10 years no trouble yet my buddy owns a honda civic alwas buy the mechanic
jessellanos787 9 months ago
@jessellanos787
that's not totaly true anymore. the new encap rules made manufacturers including BMW have soft bumpers and bonets. get into a crash with a new BMW and the result is the same as a Honda.
2012arcadia 9 months ago
is this the k20?
DJOgurchik 1 year ago
@DJOgurchik nope. it's the direct injected i-VTEC engine found in the 1st-Gen Stream...isn't sold here in the States but Asians get that little minivan.
MegaMaster456 10 months ago
65 parts gas to one oxygen. i hope its the otherway around cuz thats horrable
fatqwert200 1 year ago
except for the fact that that thing is as tall as the damned Burj Khalifa, and is top heavy, so your handling is going to go straight to hell... Volkswagon's flat 4 and flat 6 are much better engineered. low center of gravity=better handling, and better handling=less friction due to changing direction of the object, and that=greater fuel efficiency.
vanalla1594 1 year ago
i have a honda accord 2011 that we bought under 20,000 brand new thats a supercharged k24 engine thats supposed to be the most efficient engine in the world but its only used in the honda accords and no other vehicle can run it because its backwards. the entire engine block is reversed.
chudaluver1 1 year ago
I just dont get Honda....If they are certainly a company with great potential for creating high performance car that is reliable and with best engine technology out there. but they stopped productions on NSX, RSX and so many great cars. Only performance base car Honda produces today is the Civic Si which isnt a bad car but Honda could do so much better so why not?
jaks1989 1 year ago
@jaks1989 because the economy is in the crapper that's why! RSX pretty much = Si coupe.
EpiDemic117 11 months ago
what doesnt honda master....
guitargod66 1 year ago
honda has best enginers!!
omarbon23 1 year ago
@omarbon23 lol best engineers, volkswago make better engines, like the 2.5 5cylinder engine, and they make bugatti, lambos and audi!!!!
carbon310 1 year ago
@carbon310 lambo utliza sistema de valvulas variables y adivina a quien se le ocurrio esa idea the power of the dreams estudia algo de historia ademas tu crees q es mejor el motor de 2.5 5L de la vw q produce 170 hp oooo es mejor el 1.6 4L del vivic vtec q produce 160hp @8000 rpm
VIPERSRT10SC 1 year ago
@VIPERSRT10SC no importa que motor produce mas hp, lo que importa es qual es mas eresistible caros europeos son echos de mejor qualidad que los hoda o japones. y lo que la cago del 2.5 es que el intak manefold es echo de plastico i bien angosto.
carbon310 1 year ago
the background techno is hilarious
sophiehottie 1 year ago 9
what a clever bunch
gpzDave 1 year ago
honda makes the best engines!
jjrosaria2 1 year ago 33
@scopez4u makes better fuel econ then your american stuff we can race are cars and drive em to another city on one tank of gas and j series honda engines are made in america ohio i believe
senojnoremac 1 year ago
great for econemy
jayguy173 1 year ago
K20A!
chayakarnwat2 1 year ago
great video good info....I hate haters saying there not fast enough..
jayjames1978 1 year ago
Each Honda engine is the king of its cubic centimetre class. The result is little engines with extreme efficiency, or power, when it is required.
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@jbzEK9 w8 a minute, why, did the debate got to the type-r anyway. i was just explaining why the i-vtec has flaws. besides dude what i was explaining before is that the i-vtec isnt all the best, its Main engine competitors like the 3sge and 4g63 or 4b11, or sr20. are its main competitors. yes the Type-R is good in its own league. but if your gonna compare it to its main rivals like the 3sgte, or the 4b11 of the evo, then it will have a tough time competing with it.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
If you want to talk about evos vs FWD hondas, again, your not comparing apples with apples. Hondas are KING of FWD N/A class.
Even Spoon EK9 260hp 1.8L N/A laps Tsukuba 1-2secs faster than a 480hp turbo'd EK9. So dont go and think its all that simple and say stuff that you dont know much about. You don't even know anything about the car you drive. Thats just embarrassing dude. Your knowledge of hondas is like less than 2% of other people of whos knows what is good tech.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 and furthermore. this is why i hate people who are single minded on 1 single class and brand of engine, and brushes away the joys of understanding what the other engines of other brands are like. and YES i know that honda cars are king of N/A FWD class. even the astra vxr cant keep up with it.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
you talked about engines on your first post. thats all ive been talking about. I never talked about comparing cars until you did.
I've owned an m3, amg, porsche, nsx, many hondas and dude, i know what is good tech. The fact that a 1980s SOHC 2.2L honda achieved the fastest FWD N/A in the world is saying a lot about engine tech.
You said the k20a cant compare to evo motor? dude, your already off track there. K20a + VTC + Vtec + turbo = nice engine.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 and again, im comparing what sport cars honda's have and the other car brands have. you have been mislead again, dont tell me that the integra wasnt built not compete with the silvia's and eclipse? the evo and the STI can be compared by the s2000's and the NSX. its basically a mindset dude. its not about the FWD and N/A or 4WD and turbos. im talking about a different kind of class. a class rank of A-D.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
Unfortunately you cant just base your statement based on Class A-D especially when your talking about engines. Even with cars, theres more classes than just A-D. Your not talking specific enough.
Look back to what you said about your non-type R k20 isnt as good as toyota and mitsu engine. Omg just wtf you comparing?
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 i didnt got off topic dude. i merely named the cars because the engines that i mentioned was bolted in them. if you got confused about it, then it would be my bad. im not afraid of admitting something that basically my fault. but i merely pointed out that, there are some areas on which the honda engines cant match up with other branded engines, like engine noise, fuel economy, and other factors.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
I must be talking to someone really young here...
Noise? Thats personal opinion.
Fuel Economy? The K20a2 makes 100hp/per litre and drinks like a 1.6L. Show me another...
Other factors? Name them.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 because you might think that, im only talking about the performance stuffs. but im actually posting about everything that has to do with the engine, because honda engines dont have that sense fluidity, but the honda engine makes up with how urgent and responsive it is. well fuel economy, well i dont know about that, the K and B series are thirsty bastards, i cant even make it go 10KM/L with my DC5.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
That didnt make any sense...
The 1.8L you see in this video is the most efficient 1.8 in the world.
B-series came out in 1989, its well above everything at the time. K-series came out 2001, 10 years ago and is still famous for its efficiency in making power and economy Naturally Aspirated. Show me another engine like it.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 you see the difference between the ranks that im talking about then the class that your talking about. car companies set different kinds of class on which the people can choose from. Again you have been mislead again.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
just read very carefully on what you've said since the begining and how its gone now. Your off topic now. And this video is about engines. Not car vs car.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 let me give you a concrete example on what i am blabbering about. the Porsche put the cayman in production to fill the gap between the boxster and the 911's. why? because the they found out that the cayman has a different kind of market on which the boxster and the 911 cant go. its also the same with other brands.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 the honda has the civic, and the toyota has the corolla, or the ford has the focus. now do you understand what class i am posting about. this is why i hate forums or posting threads. because i can't fully get through the person im debating to. and also dude, you got to have a openmindness about this kind of things because, sometimes you post something that i am not talking about. im not here to make a flamewar to anybody,
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 so its best to ask before you blabber out stuff that im not really talking about. "Thats just embarrassing dude. Your knowledge of hondas is like less than 2% of other people of whos knows what is good tech. " you see your message, i didn't discriminate you 1 bit at my posts. ASK 1st on what some1 is talking about before you make harsh remarks on some1.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
Dont' talk about i-vtec has flaws, Can you show me a perfect engine? Then why do manufacturers keep updating? K-series was an EPIC engine that the tuning world came to love. Hondas are popular because they carry the latest technology from F1 compared to other companies that take 7 years to implement on road cars. So many K-series are running 10sec, 11secs 1/4miles N/A. An Evo would need big turbos producing 500-600hp to run 11s. Dont compare turbo with N/A, honda = King 4cyl N/A
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 once again you are mislead from what i am saying. YES! honda engines have flaws, but did i say that the other engines are perfect? common dude your interpreting something that im not talking about. YES the honda engines are good in some areas, but its not all good, and yes some other branded engines are good in place where the honda engines cant compete. but at the same time its the other way around. the other branded engines cant compete on some places where the engines are good at.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
Please stop this nonsense and useless debate. your foundation is very limited.
Strip off the turbos on those SR20s, evos, stis, etc and then compare the engines.
The fact that evos are fast is not because of the engine, its the CAR.
Building HP with turbos is much easier than N/A. Honda was the first to develop turbo cars in F1 back in the 50s-60s. You think honda cant do turbos? They have a strong concept of efficiency and enviromently friendly technology. Thats their concept
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
Dont compare turbo vs N/A. You just cant.
A good comparison would be K20a vs another 2.0L N/A engine. Then you'll start making sense.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 besides, you made the statement that" because your DC5 is not a type-R, how would you that my DC5 is not a TYPE-R have you even met be before. i clearly check the papers before i signed it. because in my country. the imported cars have different plate no.s than local ones. i even bought a conversion kit, so that i would make it left hand drive, because it was originally right hand drive.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
wtf you on about now? you dont even sound like you know what car you have. Man thats such a noob comment.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 what even makes you say that anyway? is it because that in my 1st post i didnt wrote TYPE-R on it. dude clearly you were the one at fault here, again, admit something that you are wrong to. i admitted that i have gone off topic. but the root of all that was you, you clearly made assumptions on somethings you have clarified yet. why is ASKING really that hard on people these days? will you lose your pride over something that is trivial to others?
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
omg wtf you on about again?
Pride? I'm just correcting your statements
If you really had a type R. You would say "DC5R" Do you really understand what your saying? Because I dont...
jbzEK9 1 year ago
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@jbzEK9 "if you really had a type R. You would say "DC5R" Do you really understand what your saying? Because I dont...
jbzEK9 1 hour ago" this is a stupid answer you know that, all you could do is just ASK if its a type-r or not IF THE PERSON DIDNT MENTIONED IT. stupidity at its best.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
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beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 if you cant accept the fact in some places in this thread that you are wrong, then i dont really care. then more power to you.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
Were any of my facts wrong? You still saying shit like other engines more efficient etc. Why don't you name 1 naturally aspirated engine for me?
You clearly dont drive a Type R. You know it, I know it. Because you dont know anything about cars. I bet you just sat in a really fast EVO and was blown away and start to bitch about your own DC5 non-type R how its so slow and non-hardcore.
Boy, just give it up. Stop guessing and making wrong statements
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 im not getting through am I? in my 1st post i said that i was just merely pointing out the flaws of the honda engine on my DC5. you blur out that my car is not a type-r. let me ask you this in my 1st post what made you say that my car is not a type-r? is because i didnt wrote type-r on my 1st post? now you'd be the judge if freaking idiot? you clearly made assumptions on my 1st post.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 this is what i am on about now you freaking idiot. i can see clearly now that you dont understand what i am pointing out this time. JUST freaking read your 1st reply on me, tell me why you made an assumption that my integra DC5 is not a type-R? COME ON answer that question. your clearly avoiding my ONLY question. NOW answer.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 now answer this 1 true question that has been bugging ever since this debate.(im using caps so that you can see my question) " WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT MY INTEGRA DC5 IS NOT A TYPE-R ON YOUR 1ST REPLY ON MY 1ST POST ON THIS VIDEO THREAD?" before all this sh*t went lose, answer that 1 question.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 and i beg the differ on your reaction about the fuel economy. this 1.8 liter in real life or daily situation is not the most efficient 1.8. the vvti of the corolla is more fuel efficient than this. why do you actually believe that you believe the f*cking ads on what this car companies portray. yes you can get the figures that they presented, but it would seriously be different to persons driving habits.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 driving habits meaning, there would be no-A/C while driving. late braking, easing up on the throttle. you may know the fucking fuel economy facts that the car companies portray on tv ads and brochure, but apply it on a day to day basis, then it would be irrelevant and useless.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta and jbzEK9. you guys have both rights wrongs on your reactions. beefcake: you clearly made every1 confused on what you are talking about, jzEK9: you are completely disregarding the reply he wanted on his question, which is why did make rash assumptions on why his car is a DC5 or not. you 2 should grow up. fighting over something that people profit from you. what a bunch of SAPS.
blckmamba323 1 year ago
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@jbzEK9 "If you really had a type R. You would say "DC5R" Do you really understand what your saying? Because I dont... " a very stupid answer..... people can say DC5 even if its a type-R. if you want to clarify if he's DC5 is type-R or not, THEN JUST ASK IF IT IS OR NOT? omg stupidity at its best.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
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@jbzEK9 "If you really had a type R. You would say "DC5R" Do you really understand what your saying? Because I dont..." some people would say DC5 even if its a type-r or not. your answer is stupid you know. if you want to clarify if his DC5 is a type-r or not, YOU COULD ASK IF IT IS OR NOT. stupidity at its best.......
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 dude this kid wont give up. you already know that this is a kid then why still reply at his posts. if your really an adult then just ignore him, don't stoop to his level. because people here would think that your a adult who can only take on a child. don't be fucking immature with this kid, you will only make yourself look bad.
blckmamba323 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta hey kid enough with the fucking off topics already. try to grow up, the guy is just merely correcting statements on which you were wrong at. yes he may assume stuffs out, but its fucking normal. dont get to offend on what he said earlier.
blckmamba323 1 year ago
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@jbzEK9 w8 a minute, why, did the debate got to the type-r anyway. i was just explaining why the i-vtec has flaws. besides dude what i was explaining before is that the i-vtec is all the best, its Main engine competitors like the 3sge and 4g63 or 4b11, or sr20. are its main competitors. yes the Type-R is good in its own league. but if your gonna compare it to its main rivals like the 3sgte, or the 4b11 of the evo, then it will have a tough time competing with it.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
Also, not to insult you or anything, I dont think you know much about tech. N/A engines that make over 100hp per litre are much higher tech than turbo engines which only rely on strength of parts to cater Boost.
In the honda community world wide, the most powerful one so far is a K-series bored to 2.6L making 380whp. thats 146whp per litre, which is about 160bhp+ per litre. no turbos. You have no idea what kind of precision, combinations and tuning is needed to do that.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
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@jbzEK9 w8 a minute, why, did the debate got to the type-r anyway. i was just explaining why the i-vtec has flaws. besides dude what i was explaining before is that the i-vtec isnt all the best, its Main engine competitors like the 3sge and 4g63 or 4b11, or sr20. are its main competitors. yes the Type-R is good in its own league. but if your gonna compare it to its main rivals like the 3sgte, or the 4b11 of the evo, then it will have a tough time competing with it.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
You seriously dont know what you are comparing. How can you compare Turbo charged engines to N/A engines? That is very ignorant and stupid.
That fact that Hondas were the first to produce 100hp/per litre Naturally Aspirated back in 1989, even before ferrari. There is no other 4 Cyl N/A in the world that compares to hondas. The fastest honda N/A runs a 2.2L and ran 9.12sec 1/4 mile no nitrous. No other 4 cyls have done that. You are the whose not comparing apple with apples.
jbzEK9 1 year ago
Its the new tech i-vtec-i
jugbugz 1 year ago
i think of the honda vtec engine as a good engine but not great. i myself own a integra DC5. i think of it as a good car but not a great one. the fact is there are other engines that can match up to my car's engine. for example the 4g63 of mitsubishi and the 3sge of the toyota.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
Thats because you dont have a Type R K20a
jugbugz 1 year ago
@jugbugz
dude the integra DC5 is a type-R engine, the non-typeR k20a engines are bolted on the civics, if you want to know more about the DC5 check in any honda club websites. if incase you dont know, all top end model integra's carry a Type-R badges, 1st gen integra which is the DC1 had a type-R b16a engine i think, the DC2 had a type-r b18 engine, and now the most latest model the DC5 carry a k20a type-r engine.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jugbugz if you dont believe me then check this webpage about DC5 type-r.
tripleW.j-garage.com/honda/integra/dc5.htm
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
You are totally wrong with all the above, integra dc2 always had a 1.8. The b16b is exclusive to the ek9 civic r.
The only real k20a type r exists in the jdm dc5 type r. You are greatly mistaken. I own a ek9, dc2r and dc5r. go to k20a.org to see how many variations of k20s there are. If you've ever experienced a
Real type r, ud understand why they can overtake stock evos
jbzEK9 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 dude i know the k20 engines the 2 type S and a type-r. anyways im not here to bicker about about our engines. im only here to post some facts about our engines. im not here to "troll" or to start a "flamebait" in this posting thread.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@beefcakemonsta
No dude. You said dc5 all have type r engines, that's totally off. There's about 5 types worldwide, the only one that has type r is type r in japan only. You shouldn't compare your non type r dc5 with an Evo motor. Civics don't have k20s either. Just don't post up stuff wen ur not certain. I don't mind, just a big correction there
jbzEK9 1 year ago
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beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 w8 a min? why did the debate moved to the Type-R? what i was explaining before is that the ivtec has flaws, yes the i might compare it to the 4age or the 3sge of the mr2's or trueno's or the 4g63 of the galant or the 4b11 of the non-evo lancer. then it may have a hard time, because, i also have a 2.0 civic with i vtec on it, and im sad to say that its trying to hard to be everything.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 i can compare it to that because these are its main rivals. if im gonna compare the Type-r version. then i might as well compare it to 4b11 of the evo, or the sr20 of the silvia's or the 3sgte of the turbo mr2's. because basically the Type-r is the race the race version, then its logical to compare to it's race version competitors. dude you just got mislead to my 1st post. if you have to read it more closely.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 because the 4g63 that im talking about is the 4g63 of the galant, which is completely different from the 4g63 of the evo or the eclipse. or the 3sge, which is fitted to the mr2(nonturbo). im a great fan of honda cars. but im open minded on other engines of other brands. Yes honda engines are good, i applaud to that, but there are other engines that can equally match it.
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
@jbzEK9 dude the DC1 was a guess, i dont know the engine in it, but its good to inform me about what engine it is. but none the less i guessed on what the type of engine that the Dc1 has...
beefcakemonsta 1 year ago
65:1 wow super engine
Cabansag22 1 year ago
Now, if they could combine that with an engine that actually has reasonable displacement, then we'd have something to talk about. 155 HP is not high output by any stretch of the imagination. At high load, it operates like conventional MPFI engines with similar specific power output. IOW, its simply an economy engine.
dimented24x7 1 year ago
@jeffn1986 isn't this the I series?
fanbanlo2 1 year ago
Is there a video like this for the K series? thx
fanbanlo2 2 years ago
@fanbanlo2 Pretty sure this is the K series.
jeffn1986 1 year ago
What do you expect from a country that does not have any oil, Honda makes the best engines hands down. What about Ferrari V12s you say, they make V12 F1 engines too.
KeepingModern 2 years ago
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SS81320901 2 years ago
Dont think so. Dont know what country you live in but here in the Uk we there are three variants 2 litre 2.4 litre and 2.2 Diesel. Think you better check you facts before you comment. I think I Should Know as i worked for Honda UK as a Mechanic.
cocodonia 2 years ago
Do you know when the vtec kicks in for the 2.0?
Reply asap
jalalpurjattan 1 year ago
@jalalpurjattan 5800rpm
casoig 1 year ago
@casoig on a redtop type R k20 it engages at 5800.
but this is a blacktop and is used for economy, which probly means it engages at 6000 or later.
RussianPIMP64 1 year ago
@RussianPIMP64 maybe this one is painted...lol...you're right 6000 for regular Si engine.
casoig 1 year ago
@jalalpurjattan 6000
ruunit 1 year ago
I have this identical engine in my 2006 Honda accord with Manual Gearbox and i can tell you this this car is not very fuel efficient it drinks fuel alot and it has no torque in the lower rev range you have to take it passed 4000 rpm to get any decent power. the engine does not suit a heavy car of 1400 kgs. not as Brilliant as this video suggests.
cocodonia 2 years ago
@cocodonia good comment, all we need is some truth.. do u think the new toyota's valvematic does a betta job? juz a question.
mojorossi 1 year ago
This engine is in the civic si 02+ and rsx 02+ since it's a k20. It has 160-210 hp as far as I know
Hoodlegend151 2 years ago
Always making better engines. Love it.
fasthonda 2 years ago 12
@fasthonda but that shit is slow...
BxBaNgEr828 1 year ago
So whatever happened to ADVANCED VTEC?
ShAwNeXsHeN 2 years ago
what model car will Honda put this engine in?
alvin69604 2 years ago
they would put it in the new civics maybe, But most of them would be in the Civic SI
snk9045 2 years ago
Type-r
Barbatov1983 2 years ago
its cool, this engine gives you around 30 to 40 miles per gallon! just like hybrid
omarskivel 2 years ago
this dude just keep on repeating the same stuff over and over again!
omarskivel 2 years ago
Yo Honda,your i-VTEC I engine will be a match for VW's,Audi's,Skoda's and SEAT's FSI engine.
MegaMaster456 2 years ago
FSI sucks, need a turbo to get the same power of a k20 series
lobolocoxx 2 years ago 10
I don;t see many cars with tat engine.But pretty cool.Cooler than FSI.
MegaMaster456 2 years ago
VW engines sucks overall, there is no comparison between K-series and FSI engines, theres is like a century of R&D between those.
tiemplespsous 2 years ago
@lobolocoxx agreed.. but fsi is not a sport engine unlike this
boilingpoint2 1 year ago