Kogan plays Berg's violin concerto (1/3)

[pavobaxter]

i think he's (Berg) so romantic

[Ikdushejijniej]

Oh shit! I think I'm deaf after hearing this :(

[jeffersonfsoares]

Na verdade é um pouco chato ouvir isso mais na interpretação de um grande violinista como Kogan consigo escutar isso tão bonito. Kogan Heifetz Oistrakh os tres estão em um outro nivel de violinistas

[SuperLucy1312]

subtitled "in a memory of an angel"

Beautiful!

[Bugleur]

1 people who dislike ! He like only the Radevsky's March !

[alayanai]

this concert is kind a weird......... i cant listen it complete.... i cant! is so atonal, a strange combination...

[13Orcun]

it seems to me tonal music. it s not too complex as they say. there are many repeating sounds in it and What is the difference between tonal ?

[qwertyasdyaln]

I don't enjoy the music, but using twelve tone method and making it sound somewhat tonal is amazing! :)

[BELACSAMOHT]

This is just terrible.

[bopkick5]

@stealthedscout LINK IT PROPERLY SMARTY PANTS

[bopkick5]

@stealthedscout NOBLE FRIEND, I'M AFRAID IT'S NOT MY FAULT. THE CAPS-LOCK ON MY COMPUTER IS ACTUALLY NOT OPERATIONAL SO EVERYTHING COMES OUT LIKE THIS. BUT FRIEND- LET US ENJOY THIS MASTERFUL PLAYING

[nmagko]

amazing interpretation

[bopkick5]

APPARENTLY THERE'S A VERY RARE EARLY RECORDING OF FRITZ KREISLER PLAYING THIS CONCERTO.

DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

[Amarynthine]

how the hell do you build a comprehensible musical phrase out of a twelve tone piece?!?! Impressive!

[cnmaster01]

@Amarynthine well, if you know anything about tropes, that is using fragments of the row, the first half of the row (G Bb D F# A C) you may notice sets up a perfect V7-i cadence. Berg was also a brilliant tonal composer, prior to dodecaphony. If an amateur like me noticed that, Berg certainly could figure out how to use it. =)

[backyardbaseballdj]

Such abstract work... Vivid and unclear movement... I just cannot fathom how this came to be.

[markzemusic]

Wonderful!

[callmeBe]

I am soooo glad that you like this work, but please don't misunderstand, there is not one moment in ANY portion of this work is a-tonal! This work is incredibly tonal--but using extended and chromatic relations. If you think just in terms of cords -- I, IV, V you'll never hear it . . .

[OriginalMoonbeam]

Thanks so very, very much for posting this!

[poo72]

So beautiful and at the same time atonal. Incredible combination! Berg is one of the greatest, he can be compared to Bach and Motzart.

[pianoloverforever]

@poo72 MOZART

[poo72]

@pianoloverforever Thank you for the correction! Next time I remember that it's written Motarzt

[dimmii1001]

@poo72

quasi quasi lo definiamo superiore a Bach e a Mozart, che ne dici?

Vai a cacare, cretino ignorante!

[poo72]

@dimmii1001 En kyllä tajua sanaakaan, mutta itse asiassa Bergin viulukonsertto on paljon mahtavampi kuin yksikään Bachin tai Mozartin sävellys, mitenkään aliarvioimatta kahta jälkimmäistä herraa.

[rancodanca]

@poo72 i wouldn't call mozart one of the greatest

[Neongrapes]

@poo72 The fact that Berg adopted Schoenberg's dodecaphonic system, proves that he is not on the same level of Bach or Mozart. Bach and Mozart followed no school and didn't need other artists for direction. Berg was a fine composer, but his output does not even compare to the innovations and sheer quantity of masterpieces produced by Bach and Mozart. No-one would ever claim that Alban Berg was as important to the development of music as Beethoven. To say he was as important as B&M is absurd

[TheNeonKnight]

@Neongrapes You're wrong. Both Bach and Mozart followed closely the schools that they were versed in. Mozart particularly, did very little to develop music as a whole. Nothing he wrote broke any boundaries. That's not to say that he didn't write brilliant music, he did, but he didn't innovate it, and he didn't develop it in the same way that Beethoven did. Also, the development of atonal music was by Schoenberg, Webern and Berg. All three developed it at the same time.

[cnmaster01]

@TheNeonKnight not quite true. the forms of his time were very rigid. though his innovations were subtle, to disregard them is a mistake. To say nothing of his contributions to the German Opera. And I could go on about Bach's abandonment of continuo. Don't get me wrong, I agree with your point, but the fact that people feel it needs to be debated is borderline offensive. I could point out as many flaws in Neongrapes' argument. After all Mozart sought out Haydn,as he and Beethoven did Bach.

[TheNeonKnight]

@cnmaster01 I guess you're right, but Mozart's innovations were so miniscule in comparison to the ground-breaking development of the Second Viennese School that to say Berg shouldn't be considered a 'revolutionary' is absurd. I guess I was just exaggerating my point for effect, Mozart did have his innovations but they were small in my view, and what Shoenberg + co did was to completely abandon the previous school of thought and develop their own - a rather huge innovation.

[cnmaster01]

@TheNeonKnight well, we have to try to think about their context. in only a short span of under a hundred years we moved from the horse to the jet plane. compared to that change, the invention of the saddle and carriage seem minuscule, but were profoundly important at the time.

[gabriel94220]

@TheNeonKnight In Fact, it was a period of innovation. Saying that Schoenberg created alone that music is also absurd. He was influenced by the artistic novelty of the 20th century. Kandinsky and co created Der Blaue Reiter and Kirchner Die Brücke, two expressionists movements which certainly inspired the atonal school. Schoenberg wrote articles about that new aesthetic. It's very interesting to see how their painting are musical and create a vision of the rhythm quite close to his music.

[TwilightFalls]

I can hear some of the enjoyable parts in this music. It just always leaves me longing for something more in a way, feels sort of incomplete. There are bits when I just think 'Ah he's going to end the tension with a soaring harmony, here it comes...' and it never does.

Just my personal opinion, I'm really not slating anyone who loves it. So please don't slate me.

[lukred]

But eaxactly what you described is just the wonderful matter about that music. Ever heard about why he wrote the concert? That is because a young has died at the age of 18. So he just cannot use harmonic cadences.

[TwilightFalls]

I'm not questioning his motives, the music just doesn't speak to me.

[TheTucsonJeff]

@TwilightFalls I've listened to this twice in several years, and I also can't see any value of this music whatsoever. It says absolutely nothing to me.

[SubalternSpeaking]

I feel the same way, kind of. I love composers from Palestrina through Brahms and Elliott Carter, but this piece always leaves me a little unsatisfied. Berg often sets up this amazing and never resolves it (and I don't just mean harmonically) in a way that I personally find satisfying. I still love it though!

[CaptainBluebear08]

@TwilightFalls

Don't worry. The incompleteness that you adress, was very much part of the modernist programme.

[cnmaster01]

@TwilightFalls It was intended as a requiem. what soaring harmony comes out of death?

[Hyardacil]

@TwilightFalls That eternal wait makes for great music too.

[iamalittlespy]

@TwilightFalls I think that's the point ! Berg hints at the familiar, yet never really goes there. That is what makes the music so haunting and beautiful. I thing the longing that you feel was the composers intention.

[RufusLoacker]

@TwilightFalls Yeah, it's the soul of the dodecaphony!

[CaptainBluebear08]

Very interesting to hear how Alban Berg was played in old Russia. I find Kogan's interpretation quite romantic, but convincing.

Thanks.

[IrinaDeva]

Да, это - лучшее!

[raanan17]

Very very good.Still prefer Suk-Ancerl,and Szigeti-Mitropoulos(live).

[calloffthedogs]

wow! This a a special treat. I've always thought that Kogan's Berg was the best of the best. This recording does not disappoint. Thanks for the Great post.