Do you believe that divorce settlements and child custody should not be based on gender?
Do you think the court should treat a woman that hits a man the same as a man that hits a woman? Is it as funny for a woman to hurt a man as it is for a man to hurt a woman?
Do you think that over 90% of workplace deaths and that the vast majority of homeless and suicides or male are approachable topics to discuss without blaming the victims?
When you use the terms equality/equity - I would prefer to call it 'humanism' to 'feminism'. It sounds less like trying to increase the weight on one side of the balance to match the other (a more aggressive connotation), and more like simply levelling out the balance.
It's not about empowering a certain demographic, it's about equality for all demographics. Would that be the same thing?
@jharsika "See, feminism is the belief that women are ....treated unequally and should be treated equally"
Okay, let's get technical, because word definitions and time frames are important. Are you talking about modern feminism, or are you talking about the original use of the word "feminism" during the time of the Suffragist movement? You see, modern feminism holds to a socialist ideal of "equality", where government power is used to forcefullly coerce equal outcomes. That's immoral.
@jharsika "If you answered yes to any or all of these questions, then yes, you are a feminist, believe it or not."
Wrong. Your statement is simply not true. And, it is patently absurd for feminists to even make this claim in the first place. For example, I believe in equal rights for both genders and I am opposed to gender discrimination, and I hate feminism. I fight against feminism whenever and wherever it rears its ugly head. It is YOUR misunderstanding of the word that gets you in trouble.
Feminism is to do exclusively with women's rights, not equality. Humanism is about equality. Women who want gender equality, and recognize men's problems, as well as other similar problems, are humanists, and are mislabeling themselves if they call themselves feminists.
Feminists: "Men are evil! Men are terrible! Women are better than men! Women are smarter than men! Women are kinder than men! Women would do a better job running the world than men!............Geez, men are so sexist..."
Why don't you look up the definition of Homosexuality, What you just described is humanism sweetheart, not feminism, idiot.Yeah I went to gender studies in college, femeinsm is not a few crazy chicks, is a shit load of crazy chicks, I guess that's why there are so many sluts in the streets now days, and maybe that's why all the men I know want a foreign girl, and have pretty much given up on western women, cause they are just like you, liars, and idiots. So go fuck your own face.
MEN > WOMEN, so there is no way you can be equal to us, everything you do, we do it better and a lot of things we do you can't ever dream of doing them, you are paid less because you work less, and I guess you wish a fireMAN (not a fireWOMAN... btw firewomen and soldiers are paid EQUALLY ! THIS IS A FRAUD !) comes to save you if you're stuck up in a building on fire, so put up with it and stop annoy us!
If you want examples : men made civilizations and technology... PERIOD.
All ideas of feminism have one goal: Complete control of EVERYTHING. You listened and bought into too much women's studies courses at your university.
the reason traditionalism is taboo is because a few bad apples are focused on ,misinterpreted or misunderstood. there are many traditionisms(none of which are responsible or accountable)test for if you're traditional: do you believe in a God of love? do you believe we're all God's children?do you believe in justice for all? see, you're a traditionalist whether you realize it or not
...we stay at home homes are happier than women with careers and family. They struggle with the guilt. We don't. So to all the men out there, thank you for doing the jobs we women don't want to do! I apologize on behalf of my gender for demonizing you for cherishing and protecting us for thousands of years.
@nellieou i think you're the one with your eyes closed. how can being denied the right to vote, get an education and own property ect be construed as privilege? it's great that your happy and no true feminist would denigrate you for staying at home, the freedom to choose is what counts. the reason women feel guilty for having careers is because they're conditioned to feel that guilt, not because there's anything to feel guilty about
Get out of your feminism college courses, Open up your eyes a bit to history and you'll understand that that "unequal treatment" we supposedly received in the past was actually "privilege". I'm lucky enough to be married to a man who loves and cherishes me and wants me to be happy, which means I feel no guilt being a stay at home mom! The only time I feel less than equal is when I'm around feminists who look down on my decision to put my family before my career. I've always noticed we stay at h
Women should be paid the wages they can command from the market. The reason you can find a cheaper female than a male for certain jobs is that women have precluded themselves from other jobs, creating a glut of females competing in certain sectors.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Simple economics.
The three questions you asked did not relate to your synopsis, you went on to say that "feminism is the belief that women are treated unequally" I do not believe this, where is your evidence? I agree to three things you said, but not that. I understand feminism as well as the next person, I support the righteous movements of the past, but neo-feminism is far closer to gender feminism than any of that. I agree for equality, but not for neo-feminism.
If you believe in equal rights, that makes you an equalitarianist, the belief in total equality, that is good and well but the real world does not conform to our ideals so some exeptions are made to accomidate for this.
However feminism is not about equality it is about supremisy, stop listening to the fucked up mantras that are being feed to you, they have no solid evidence to back them up, your young, and thats when they come for you, to brain wash you, into becoming another feminist, boys 2.
If you believe denying fathers fair access to their children except financial, if you encourage female violence against men, If you think respect is something you're entitled to but not earned, if you believe making false rape charges should go unpunished, If you believe you should be paid the same amount as a man who worked a job longer, If you believe only men should suffer consequences for bad decisions If you accept widespread misandry in the media and call it empowering you're a feminist
@MGsven Marxism is actually a good thing, except for the rich and powerful (who are the minority yet benefit from exploiting the majority). The recession should have told you this, you are never going to become rich and the rich have ruined the country for profit.
@patsybob well marxism always targets a group, standard marxism tagets the rich, but it doesnt distinguish between self made and proviledged. marxism is quite totalitarian, i prefer freedom
@patsybob "We would be compelled to acknowledge that Stalinism was rooted not in the backwardness of the country, but in the congenital incapacity of the proletariat to become a ruling class. Then it would be necessary to establish, in retrospect, that the present USSR was the precursor of a new and universal system of exploitation." -- Leon Trotsky, 1938
@GluttonForSex Yeah, Communist worked by empowering the people, but the people would have to rebel in order for socialism to occur and then complete Communism.
If i were a construction contractor, and needed to hire someone for some heavy lifting, yes, i would consider gender when hiring. An average, men are physically stronger then women. that is indisputable.
So by your definition of Feminism: The belief that women are treated unequally and should be treated equally. Then women in our society today should have rights taken away, to be equal to men.
@veldinsparx Well said, Obviously this girl is not a feminist unless it is a new branch called *entitiled feminism* because she doesn't say a word about gender being applied to women in frontline combat. For every 1000 men in harm's way I want to see 1000 women in harm's way. Don't want them in same tents or in same fox holes. Don't even want them in same company. I just want to see them charge at enemy w/bayonets fixed and come back 50/50 in body bags same as men. I also agree w/ MNeilGri below
@MLJ1219 No, I'd rather not see 1000 women on the frontlines. Statistics show that the top 10% of women in the military perform as well as the average 40% of men. Instead of having 1000 women in the military, and training them by "women's" standards, they should be trained by men's standards. If they can pass those, by all means let them join. But don't dumb down the training and the tests just because they are women. If they want to be in the military, they should be as physically capable asmen
@veldinsparx N truth I agree w/you but I was trying 2 make a point about gender equality. Pls correct me if I'm wrong but don't police, firefighter's & military have dumb downed requirements that allow women to not perform 2 the same qualifications as men?? What use 2 b a 2 man job of stretcher bearer was changed 2 4 man job so women could qualify. women r allowed 2 do push ups on knees etc. etc. I don't care how it gets done I just want 2 c women get equal opport 2 die as a man. No chivalry.
@veldinsparx N truth I agree w/you but I was trying 2 make a point about gender equality. Pls correct me if I'm wrong but don't police, firefighter's & military have dumb downed requirements that allow women to not perform 2 the same qualifications as men?? What use 2 b a 2 man job of stretcher bearer was changed 2 4 man job so women could qualify. women r allowed 2 do push ups on knees etc. etc. I don't care how it gets done I just want 2 c women get equal opport 2 die as a man. No chivalry.
"Feminism = women are equal to men ..." Someone can answer yes to questions 2 and 3 and believe that women are superior to men and deserve to be elevated above them and still, by your own litmus test, be counted as a feminists. Dworkin, MacKinnin and Valenti are all examples of this. Feminism has absolutely nothing to do with equality or being treated equal, it has to do with female empowerment. The varied kinds of feminism take it to different levels, but not a one of them help mens inequality
@MNeilGri Cont... And it is the above reason why feminist's piss me off so much. By your own test, a person can believe in female supremacy and be a feminist. Examples of such feminists abound, and yet, we are routinely told by people like she in the video that it is "US" that don't understand what feminism is. Your very definition does not match with the potential of your own test, and conflicts with acknowledged feminist activists, and it is "us" that don't understand what feminism means?
Womens should be treated equally. This is why they should be paid less then men. Because women are most likely to be absent from work for personal or child care reason then men. After all, mens do pay higher car insurance because they are most likely to be in a car accident. It only a fair assertion of risk by the employer. Fuck you feminist cunt.
I just wandering why "76% dislikes". Feminism was a product of the modern industrialized society, not a revolutionary idea either. Everything it deal with MONEY. It is sadly true. Moreover, feminism is part of dumbing down program. The result .....
I believe women are equal to men, should be paid the same, and genders should not be considered when hiring. That is not Feminism, that is Humanism. That is human equality. The term "Feminism" itself infers that women's rights are at the forefront, and men are an afterthought. I consider this attitude sadly ironic, and quite ignorant.
Multi feminism yeh? All stinks to me, its effects, politically, culturally, legally, that's what counts. Whatever Feminism's mantra is, it chucks all men into one pot and seeks to control, affect their behaviour.
Call it what you want, the repercussions of Feminism's bias and power (through laws, courts, policy, employment, perception of the male) affect all men.
See Feminism's antics as 'fallout', with us, affecting us, every day.
Equity feminists are far more reasonable and less prone to histrionics than gender feminists. Gender feminists are usually histrionic or borderline types who are disorderly crazymaking bitches that project their internal chaos onto others, especially guys.
As far as I am concerned, your list (and I don't really agree with all of them) constitutes someone who is pro-equality.
It lies within the word feminism itself that it is a philosophy that idealizes feminimity which - by most in our soceity - is directly translated to womanhood.
A person who believes in equality and who calls themselves a feminist are basically tricked into lending credence to a movement that is about empowering 50% of the population by any means neccesary.
well, you people want to be equal, but treated differently, you want to be equal, but get all the confort from men, by manipulating sex, and whean you get equal pay you don't respect men who is equal, you want a better something, and when you never know what you want, you are driven purely by competition and greed, well you already are. Peace.
First thing, your claims that people don't like feminism because they don't understand it is akin to what feminists call "mansplaining". If you don't know the term, look it up. Second, while I need to give you props for not making the typical incorrect claim that feminism is about equality, but actually acknowledge it's only equality for women, you must realize that focus on women causes far to many feminists to focus any discussion on women ONLY. That in itself is gender discrimination. Problem
Sorry but Feminism has led to women being more equal then men. Why call it feminism? That implies that its strictly for women. Why are mens issues ignored but not womans issues? Why is Misandry okay but Misogyny is evil? Why do we only hear about women being abused but not about the countless women who abuse men or children? Feminism is not about equality from what I have seen. Remember its not what we say its what we do. Feminism does a lot more harm than good.
1) Men are not equal to women in the same way apples are not equal to bananas.
2) For the most part, sex shouldn't be considered when hiring, but we have government sponsored discrimination (AKA affirmative action) that puts women & minorities into positions simply to fill quotas without regard for merit.
3) I believe women should get paid the same as men IF THEY DO THE SAME JOBS. Today women earn more than men for doing less work.
Feminism is & was NOTHING but a female supremacist movement.
Absolutely, I agree 100%, however, if person B happens to belong to a group of people who >WERE at one time oppressed< (or in the case of women, perceived to be oppressed but really weren't), person B can file a claim of discrimination. Additionally, if it comes time to cut off a finger to save the hand, person B's superficial qualities grants them FAR more job security despite the fact person B works far fewer hours, & takes more sick days.
I just fail to understand why feminism is necessary or in any way relevant. No Rights for women, no rights for homosexuals- just universal rights for humans.
Feminism isn't this at all. Feminism is and always has been purely political to empower the left. The women in this country have it better than anyone else in the world, yet all they do is complain.
@glamgirl554 Well it's hard for a woman to rape a man just cause most men would want to have sex,so technically it wouldn't be considered a rape.And you can't tell to the rape victims:"YOU WANT RANDOM SEX AND YOU WON'T PRESS ANY CHARGES!".Anywhore,It's easy to rape a guy,even for a woman.Just take a gun and death threat the fucker in order to get some action.Done!Before you know it,you're in jail...there you get to know the real meaning of rape. :)
It's not neccessary to silence the extremists;if more publicly prominent feminists had made an effort to disassociate themselves and the movement from individuals who promoted intolerance,as most any other organisation would,then feminists could claim that the identification of feminism with misandry was unfair.But they didn't.The standard line I've heard feminists say is that "There are many faces to feminism".As feminists decided to embrace intolerant feminism,they have no right to complain.
women say they want to be treated = to a man untill the ship starts sinking then its women and children 1st
as for women getting = pay as a man lets see women do = work as a man 99-100% of work place deaths are men 90-95% of work place injuries are men why are feminists not fighting for more women to get dangerous jobs after all they do pay well
feminists belive women are better then men not equal if they relly wanted to fight for = rights they would be fighting for men and womens rights
Because of this, all of the rad feminists that do things that are bad, especially to men and boys, get to blend in with all the other feminists, and most of the other feminists don't seem to be doing anything about it.
Are you saying then, that the majority of feminists are against affirmative action? It does not matter to me that there are different types of feminism, because all feminists refer to themselfs as feminist. They do not call themselfs radical feminists, or any other type of feminsts, they just call themselfs feminists.
well, that's why I say the equalists are the most pragmatic way to go. leave feminists, the MRA and the fucking gender war behind and have both sexes jsut concentrate on getting shit done. no real reason why there should be unequal pay, fight for against that. no real reason why we use the same divorce laws we have used 60 years ago. fight to fix that, etc
I believe in equality (across the board). Example: If a woman goes to be a soldier, then she should be put through the same regiment that a man gets put through. If she succeeds, then she should have every privilege that a man gets (pay, status, etc). REALITY does not adhere to this. A man should have equal rights when it comes to family, relationship privileges, etc. REALITY does not adhere to this. Do you see where I'm going with this? The system wants one thing. Justice is another.
One thing I notice a lack of in feminist rhetoric is advocacy for equal responsibility which must go hand-in-hand with rights if true equality is ever to be achieved.
Looks like others have already voiced the FEMINism point.
You said that if you believe men are equal to women you're a feminist, but the focus on women while dismissing the concerns facing men makes feminism an innately sexist concept.
In the beginning the sexism was balanced by a weakened social and political position, but that status has been reversed as of late, leaving feminism as the root cause of cultural misandry that often leads to reactionary misogyny.
pretty much the whole reason why feminism has such a bad rep right now. starting the gender war was a REALLY stupid idea, and so far hasn't helpped anyone, just has created more enemies
why can't we all just understand that no gender is better or more superior than the other? seriously, if we were all equal and had equal RESPECT for each other their would be no need for feminists. The only reason i think feminism still exists is because there are some extremly rude and disrespectful men out there who still think that a women should be stuck in a kitchen all day. Come on people!!! It is not 1950 anymore!!!
well part of the reason the rude and disrespectful sociopaths are still present is that their behavior yields results. in other words, if women stopped going for these assholes, alot of them would see that there is no merit to being a asshole and their would be a nice moderate shift, but because women so blindly go for assholes and douche bags it re-forces that behavior. if the bell curve of women could wise up, some of those problems could be taken care of.
I have no problem answering "No" to each and every one of these questions. While it is true that equal pay should be given for equal work, women are not capable of doing equal work in any sense of the term so this issue is a non-starter. And for the record, I am not a chauvinist, I simply live in reality. Try it some time.
well I am in favor of the equal pay thing, but I am not a fan of out-dated rhetoric. if I hear that 70% stat again that has been around since the 70s and has obviously changed since more women are getting jobs and getting into college and the fact that unequal pay isn't actually legal leads me to thin that the 70% is outdated by now. if we want to hunt down the source of the remaining pay gap I am for it, but if we use the same stupid 70%, then look for it yourself.
"FEMINISM" is a meaningless word that has been used by women to appose and to support virtually every single issue that effects women. Example; Women who appose pornography and call themselves feminists... Women who support pornography and call themselves feminists... The word and the neurotic ideologies should now be abandoned as we're all sick to death of it.
Think "MENISM" does that sound stupid to you? Thought so.
There's the literal definition of what feminism is, and the ACTUAL BEHAVIOR of those women who claim to be feminists.
It just annoys me how those women who claim to be feminists for social equality are so blind to see the apparent hypocrisy in the media, politics, the legal system, and in domestic relationships (i.e. men are dumb violent brutes and women are victims of the established "patriarchy"
This is why I don't take any1 who claims to be feminists seriously.
Shut the fuck up. And by the way. Some jobs you cant have women around to debate whats right and wrong. So what, are we going to select women for special operation forces? No. We will not. Fuck. You.
I think your definition of feminism is naive. If you really want to include all forms of feminism you could define it as a movement by, of & for women for the purpose of gaining rights & priviledges for women. This includes equity feminists who are concerned with equal rights, as well as radical feminists who see patriarchy (in other words, men) as the root cause of all oppression, and even matriarchal feminists who actually want female supremacy. This covers all bases much better.
well if you really want feminism to survive, I'd say like in any movement survival and victory are with the moderates. if you keep allowing the insane nut job feminists continue to be part of the club, you will continue to loose moderate support. if you really think that feminism is worth keeping then shut up the nut jobs and just go with the core values, which seem mainly to be legal and professional. otherwise the nuts jobs will just poison and alienate the whole thing.
The problem with this is free speech. People don't have control over each other in anyway. You could say the same thing about Republicans and the Tea Partiers, Muslims and Islamists, black rights activists and black Panthers.... within every social movement there will be an extreme.
hence why they invented denouncing, if the feminists really didn't want the nut jobs ruining their image, then they could simply declare that the nutjobs are just that, nutjobs. just because the nutjobs are supporting them doesn't mean its the kind of support t that you would want.
That may be the case, but as a Christian who is also a theistic evolutionist, I tell YECs who have no clue what they are talking about to shut the hell up. I laugh at Ken Ham and so do the other intelligent Christians I know. You need to do the same with your nutcases, tell them to shut the hell up.
Those radical feminist authors that you marginalised are more popular than you think they are.
Actually feminists never challenge the nut jobs within their movement ever.
E:g: When someone in NOW says "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" you challenge that you don't make it your slogan, and then you don't go around complaining that men abandoned their wives and children. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT FEMINISTS DO and its pathetic.
For now If you really want women to be treated equally to men then treat them like dirt. Food for thought.
Which is why masculists/feminists are moving towards both using the term humanist; to kill off the extremists who want gender supremacy.
Because, the more extreme "feminists" do not want equality. Extreme "feminists" in the UK have been shooting down equal rights on paternity pay to that of maternity pay (despite the fact there is such a thing as a single father) and have repeatedly attacked from a political angle masculism. They have demonised masculists without any good reason.
blah blah bable.. feminism definition was self created, self promoted and in modern times feminism is extremely one sided, misleading, family destructive, self defeating, insecure, power trip, statistic fabricating, child fatherless / single mother hood promotion by making women who chose to stay home with their kids as if they are doing something wrong, relationship ending, man bashing babble etc etc.. there is no separating the bad from the good in the army against you. feminism IS radical.
A woman who believes in 'good feminism' is like a woman who believes its 'true love' when it isn't.
Here is the results of your feminism: You can work.... or, you can work. Congratulations. How is all that 'freedom' working out for you? Are you happy now at Hooters or swinging from a pole?
It was all about driving down the cost of labor. Good luck finding a man who can support a family on his income alone now (which means you most likely wont marry)
Q1. No I don't believe that. Society treats women like they are flawless and men like they are guilty of something.
Q2. I agree that gender should not be considered when hiring but there are quotas for women and minorities but nothing like that for men. It should be about equal opportunity not equal outcome.
Q3. I can't give a simple yes or no to this. Typically men work longer hours, take less days off, more likely to die on the job, willing to travel, etc...
Lies. You fail at Feminism, you also used Wikipedia as an accurate source... double fail.
Check out the channel called manwomanmyth and prepare to be educated on how wrong you really are. Specifically find the video called "Feminism in a nutshell"
Your views seem to indicative of egalitarinaism, not feminism. It is true that there are many well intentioned people who call themselves feminist, however this is not what feminism is. Because the closer you get to the intelectual core of this ideaology, the greater the hatred becomes.
Feminism is attractive because it resonates with a lot of people, however, its central core is based on hatred and bigotry. It is the ultimate evil. Within this truth is a most insidious lie
Feminism was never an ideology based upon equality. Rather its original purpose, at least in the United States, held a different agenda. The following information explicates on this view:
Feminism, the very word, only contains a reference to females, and it can be nothing else but a sole focus on females, i.e. female supremacy. Female supremacy is already largely in effect in the western world. If you've ever been tossed in jail without evidence or due process due to a feminist law perhaps YOU would understand. There is no movement for equality because there was no inequality to begin with. A woman who is your loyal wife and raises your children deserves nothing but respect.
Feminism like being a woman, means whatever the particular woman wants it to mean at any particular time. The truth is that women as a group are horrible people, and if it wasn't for the vagoo most men would not even talk to them.
what a crock of shit feminism is feminism period I don't care how many words you put before the word feminism its all the same. NOTHING BUT BUUUUUUUUULLSHIT! how about we throw away feminism and turn to equalism.
Feminism isnt chosen for you based on some choices, i believe in equality and shit, but im by far not a feminist because of the famous, or should i saw infamous, that say things that are completely against the male population even existing, i know some feminists are good, but honestly, if you want equality, be the head of the home, pay for the house mortgage, go to work every day and not be allowed to have a personal life, theres your equality
Fist of all, few straight men lacking gender issues are going to want to be called a word based on feminin. Second, as you said there's quite a degree to feminism now. There's even a 'feminist philosphy'. Feminism is more of a political group or even theology than anything else. Saying someone who believes in equaility is a feminist is like saying someone who wants to help the poor is a democrate.
You do not get to assign people with labels based on a "litmus test." Feminism is an IDEOLOGY and ideological thinkers are no better than religious group thinkers. The issue is not whether YOU follow equality, but whether other feminist organizations and groups follow equality.
It is amazing how many feminists have the audacity to use The No True Scotsman Fallacy OVER AND OVER AND OVER again ad nauseam. And using the dictionary as an authority figure is an appeal to authority fallacy.
You are incorrect. You seem to have missed my entire point. Feminism isn't one big blob. It has different sub-theories. There are some feminists that would say affirmative action is a good thing, and some that would disagree.
@jharsika So feminists can only be people who support equal pay with equal qualifications yet not support (or be actively against) equal in hiring and equality in general ?
I understand. So long as you only care about women;'s rights and not men;'s you are a feminist. There are smaller subtheories below that but that is the overarching paradigm.
1) Absolutely not and it's the fallacy feminism rests on, that men and women are somehow inherently equal to men. Take maths, science, medicine, sports, architecture and every field (even cooking) men are superior.
2) No, and that's why feminists should have no say in how companies hire their employees. Companies should hire based on the best value to the company even if it means more men or women.
3) No. People should only be paid and rewarded for their contributions!
Your entire logic is founded on false premises. Men are often the ones who dictate what is valuable and how much they should be compensated. Do you think teaching kindergarten age kids is important (predominately female occ)? As important as middle management in an accounting firm (predom male)? Because there is a HUGE discrepancy in pay, unjustifiably so in my eyes.
Your idea is good in theory, that people get hired/paid on merit, but in reality women often get paid less for the same job.
My logic is founded on an understanding of economics and how businesses function. No company is going to decide to wastefully spend its money on simply paying men more for doing the same amount of work. Secondly, feminists cannot (and will not) simply admit that the wage discrepancy exists because men generate more wealth. Could you look at the skylines of the cities and honestly say to yourself women laid 50% of the foundations?
@professorfoxtrot : How can men generate more wealth if women are responsible for carrying and nurturing the human race? Surely that is a wealth that is not quantified by income.
Men aren't paid more, women are paid less. Secondly, the wage discrepancy exists because men have been deciding what is important and how much to pay. Men have controlled government and economics. Do you think that a skyline is the only measure of value? You didn't answer about IMPORTANCE of kindergartens, not profit.
@professorfoxtrot You are completely ignoring the informal economy. A society is not just run on money. Many an economist has attempted to quantify the informal economy or argued that it should be brought into the formal economy by making sure that unpaid roles become paid roles. If this were to happen you would have a much easier time of seeing women's roles in society. Not just women but volunteers as well.
@jharsika Making unpaid roles, paid roles is hilarious because feminists want to be paid for taking care of themselves and their children. Hollywood parents are similar because they believe that the purpose of raising children is not personal gratification through compromises like their own parents had made for them but cashing in. One of the arduous chores you mentioned was shopping, why not pay people for shopping!
@jharsika The idea of an informal economy is silly. You can't run an economy on wishful thinking plain and simple. Plus you'd have to keep a system of balances for the money men always spend on their wives, dinners, lunches, rings purses. Also, Volunteers cease to be volunteers if they're paid.
Think of it. Women give birth,and traditionally: raise children, do household chores, laundry, cooking, manage family routines, provide informal family counselling, do groceries, shopping, cook, clean, care for the elderly, even some minimal form of health care, and a huge variety of other tasks that are unpaid. Can you look at society at all and say that women laid none of its foundations? Women do not "generate less wealth" than men. They aren't counted into the GDP.
@jharsika Men raise children, plus they do the household chores, lawn maintanence, repair work, car maintanence, heading the family, financial responsibilities and bill payments in addition to working which supports the lifeblood of the family.
@jharsika I've asked on several occasions how much of the gender wage gap(approximately 23%) is due to sexism. They cannot even give a rough estimate if their lives depended on it. They don't know, that's the thing, it falls under the same indoctrinated crap surrounding the "glass ceiling." Buzz words are the instruments of indoctrination and only one academic discipline uses buzz words for things that are routinely intangible and unprovable.
@jharsika I've asked on several occasions how much of the gender wage gap(approximately 23%) is due to sexism. They cannot even give a rough estimate if their lives depended on it. They don't know, that's the thing, it falls under the same indoctrinated crap surrounding the "glass ceiling." Buzz words are the instruments of indoctrination and only one academic discipline uses buzz words for things that are routinely intangible and unprovable.
I think what professorfoxtrot meant by mean generating more wealth is that men tend to work in a more hazardous environment than women are. There has been studies on it with male and females in many fields of work and its shown that women tend to change occupations a hell of a lot more than men and are not willing to relocate at times (yes children and no children have been taken into this as well) there are women who make more than men in some fields.
@jharsika and to say a woman should be paid for raising children, doing household chores, laundry, cooking, and so fourth pertaining to family issues is ridiculous all that comes with being a parent. That's like saying I should be paid for playing with my kids...
@jharsika {Women do not "generate less wealth" than men}
Yes, they do. How many patents do women hold? How many trailblazing businessmen are women? Do you have a boatload of Henrietta Fords you been hiding from us?
Only in a womans mind is this type of self-delusion possible, I swear.
The whole factual world around you can be against your position and your still trying to squirm away from the reality.
Thirdly, importance of a job is determined entirely by market demand. If governments intervened and engaged in price fixing of jobs, everyone would become kindergarten teachers as it is significantly easier than managing risk assessment of financial assets. There would be no incentive for people to take on jobs that are less fun or entail more risks. In the end, everyone gets what they deserve.
@professorfoxtrot Thirdly, the government engages in fixing prices and monopolies all the time. But honestly there is no way I could become a kingergarten teacher, in my eyes it's WAY more stressful than middle management, and I don't know many men who would want to do it. But I don't think anyone can fairly say it's not extremely valuable to society. Yes, we have men and women in the market, but the market (as we have seen in the USA) is not always right, the government does need to step in.
It's funny that you mention kindgergarten teachers because that's what I do. It's not my career but it's what I'm doing to make ends meet at the moment while I'm traveling abroad. It's not stressful at all and as much I'd like to have a bigger salary, it would not be deserved. A kindergarten teacher has never jumped off of the roof because they had a bad day at work.
@professorfoxtrot: well there you go! you haven't really answered my question though.... which is more important for society? kindergarten teacher, or middle management in an accounting firm? and is the money difference a fair representation of that difference in value? I don't think it is...
I don't really think stress is the best way to determine value of a job to society. most doctors are the most chilled out people I know!
@autumnzone1 It depends on the person. I would never reduce someone's life as a contribution to society. People's lives are their own and they chose their path's for financial reasons, I have nothing against them. Their lives are owed to no one, nor should their money be. Though middle management would be taxed at a higher rate, so their contribution would be more.
@jharsika he means that most feminists are nut cases, and therefore, can't be considered feminists. one example is germaine greer. very prominent, very mainstream, famous, and well known. yet, if you read one of her books, the woman is clearly insane. under your definition, greer is not a feminist.
It goes along the same lines of why females cannot compete with males in athletics.
Again there are some jobs that females just cannot do as well as males. Even if you get the best female you will always find a male that can out perform her.
Males and Females cannot always be "equal" we are different sexes and evolved for different purposes.
@jharsika I would say a small percentage of women are physically bigger stronger faster then a small percentage of men, yes. But as a rule.....
And yes jobs like, police officer, fireman, infantrymen, construction worker ect...where physical strength and size are very important I think you should look at gender.
As a rule males are physically superior to females, So why higher a female if you can get a bigger stronger faster male?
that is exactly what I'm saying feminism does not do. The only difference between "equalism" and feminism is that one assumes there is inequality to get rid of, the other does not....
"I may make another video about gender inequality soon to clear those things up." Sweet. Will you talk about inequality men go through? You know, like gender bias in the courts, the education gap, women's glass cellar (men have all the shitty, dangerous jobs), the fact that school age boys are drugged 7 times more than girls because feminist teachers expect boys to be "equal" to girls, etc, etc etc... Probably not. You are a feminist, after all. Equality when it benefits you.
Did you actually watch the video and do research on feminism? That's exactly what I'm saying. Mainstream feminism (ie. not radical feminism) is not "equality when it benefits you"
I may address male inequality yes... perhaps you would like to as well? As a female myself I'd be hard pressed to truly represent the plight of males...
I've read everyone from Steinem to Valenti. And yes, mainstream feminism is anti-male. It was mainstream feminists that pushed Obama to not concentrate on male-dominated jobs when he was writing his recovery plan, even though 85% of the jobs lost in the recession belonged to men. It is you who has not researched feminism well enough. "As a female myself..." How about as a human being? This is the problem with feminism, it's brainwashed you.
Do you believe that divorce settlements and child custody should not be based on gender?
Do you think the court should treat a woman that hits a man the same as a man that hits a woman? Is it as funny for a woman to hurt a man as it is for a man to hurt a woman?
Do you think that over 90% of workplace deaths and that the vast majority of homeless and suicides or male are approachable topics to discuss without blaming the victims?
These questions are never asked?
eggsetcetera 2 weeks ago
When you use the terms equality/equity - I would prefer to call it 'humanism' to 'feminism'. It sounds less like trying to increase the weight on one side of the balance to match the other (a more aggressive connotation), and more like simply levelling out the balance.
It's not about empowering a certain demographic, it's about equality for all demographics. Would that be the same thing?
hastyvictories 3 weeks ago
@jharsika "See, feminism is the belief that women are ....treated unequally and should be treated equally"
Okay, let's get technical, because word definitions and time frames are important. Are you talking about modern feminism, or are you talking about the original use of the word "feminism" during the time of the Suffragist movement? You see, modern feminism holds to a socialist ideal of "equality", where government power is used to forcefullly coerce equal outcomes. That's immoral.
wereaux 3 weeks ago
@jharsika "If you answered yes to any or all of these questions, then yes, you are a feminist, believe it or not."
Wrong. Your statement is simply not true. And, it is patently absurd for feminists to even make this claim in the first place. For example, I believe in equal rights for both genders and I am opposed to gender discrimination, and I hate feminism. I fight against feminism whenever and wherever it rears its ugly head. It is YOUR misunderstanding of the word that gets you in trouble.
wereaux 3 weeks ago
ANSWER TO QUESTION#1: No. Men and women are different. However, they should have the same legal rights and opportunities to succeed OR FAIL.
ANSWER TO QUESTION#2: No. In certain circumstances it is appropriate to exclude one gender from certain jobs.
ANSWER TO QUESTION#3: Not necessarily. Sometimes a man might simply be a better performer than a woman with the same experience, and vice versa.
However, let's assume I answered yes to these questions. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME A FEMINIST!!!
wereaux 3 weeks ago
Feminism is to do exclusively with women's rights, not equality. Humanism is about equality. Women who want gender equality, and recognize men's problems, as well as other similar problems, are humanists, and are mislabeling themselves if they call themselves feminists.
Oicurmtoyoy 4 weeks ago
shit video. shit feminism.
amido7 1 month ago
Feminists: "Men are evil! Men are terrible! Women are better than men! Women are smarter than men! Women are kinder than men! Women would do a better job running the world than men!............Geez, men are so sexist..."
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amerrychristmas 1 month ago
Why don't you look up the definition of Homosexuality, What you just described is humanism sweetheart, not feminism, idiot.Yeah I went to gender studies in college, femeinsm is not a few crazy chicks, is a shit load of crazy chicks, I guess that's why there are so many sluts in the streets now days, and maybe that's why all the men I know want a foreign girl, and have pretty much given up on western women, cause they are just like you, liars, and idiots. So go fuck your own face.
11220joe 1 month ago
you're wrong,feminists are nothing like the dictionary defeniition
TrueBlueCanuck 1 month ago
Listen here women :
MEN > WOMEN, so there is no way you can be equal to us, everything you do, we do it better and a lot of things we do you can't ever dream of doing them, you are paid less because you work less, and I guess you wish a fireMAN (not a fireWOMAN... btw firewomen and soldiers are paid EQUALLY ! THIS IS A FRAUD !) comes to save you if you're stuck up in a building on fire, so put up with it and stop annoy us!
If you want examples : men made civilizations and technology... PERIOD.
Washingstone 1 month ago
i get one thing to this girl, fuck her
Sam10947 2 months ago
All ideas of feminism have one goal: Complete control of EVERYTHING. You listened and bought into too much women's studies courses at your university.
jteruel671 2 months ago
the reason traditionalism is taboo is because a few bad apples are focused on ,misinterpreted or misunderstood. there are many traditionisms(none of which are responsible or accountable)test for if you're traditional: do you believe in a God of love? do you believe we're all God's children?do you believe in justice for all? see, you're a traditionalist whether you realize it or not
anarcris 2 months ago
Women, know your place. Which is under the desk.
ogrish84 2 months ago
Future divorce, who believes in world peace and that she will have an equal chance at life in the city. How incessant and naive so lost...
MrOnetrue 2 months ago
Fuck equality! We will never be equil Ever.
CpsLock3 3 months ago
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oh god...
another man-hating radical lesbian feminist...
Why do lesbians hate men so much and why do they keep denying that?
imscaredofcoffee 3 months ago
...we stay at home homes are happier than women with careers and family. They struggle with the guilt. We don't. So to all the men out there, thank you for doing the jobs we women don't want to do! I apologize on behalf of my gender for demonizing you for cherishing and protecting us for thousands of years.
nellieou 3 months ago
@nellieou i think you're the one with your eyes closed. how can being denied the right to vote, get an education and own property ect be construed as privilege? it's great that your happy and no true feminist would denigrate you for staying at home, the freedom to choose is what counts. the reason women feel guilty for having careers is because they're conditioned to feel that guilt, not because there's anything to feel guilty about
smooshie3 3 months ago
Get out of your feminism college courses, Open up your eyes a bit to history and you'll understand that that "unequal treatment" we supposedly received in the past was actually "privilege". I'm lucky enough to be married to a man who loves and cherishes me and wants me to be happy, which means I feel no guilt being a stay at home mom! The only time I feel less than equal is when I'm around feminists who look down on my decision to put my family before my career. I've always noticed we stay at h
nellieou 3 months ago
@glamgirl554 {can a woman rape a man? most people would say no...it's impossible}
Thats because most people are idiots. Rape does not require an erect penis or even penetration.
mindprism 3 months ago
Women should be paid the wages they can command from the market. The reason you can find a cheaper female than a male for certain jobs is that women have precluded themselves from other jobs, creating a glut of females competing in certain sectors.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Simple economics.
mindprism 3 months ago
The three questions you asked did not relate to your synopsis, you went on to say that "feminism is the belief that women are treated unequally" I do not believe this, where is your evidence? I agree to three things you said, but not that. I understand feminism as well as the next person, I support the righteous movements of the past, but neo-feminism is far closer to gender feminism than any of that. I agree for equality, but not for neo-feminism.
M1O71 3 months ago
If you believe in equal rights, that makes you an equalitarianist, the belief in total equality, that is good and well but the real world does not conform to our ideals so some exeptions are made to accomidate for this.
However feminism is not about equality it is about supremisy, stop listening to the fucked up mantras that are being feed to you, they have no solid evidence to back them up, your young, and thats when they come for you, to brain wash you, into becoming another feminist, boys 2.
mansuka1 3 months ago
omg jharsika you are so deluded if you honestly think that feminism is about equality. Seriously, just gtfo.
DrNordo 3 months ago
If you believe denying fathers fair access to their children except financial, if you encourage female violence against men, If you think respect is something you're entitled to but not earned, if you believe making false rape charges should go unpunished, If you believe you should be paid the same amount as a man who worked a job longer, If you believe only men should suffer consequences for bad decisions If you accept widespread misandry in the media and call it empowering you're a feminist
blackburn9 3 months ago
Do you believe women and men are equal? NO
Do you believe women are treated unequally? YES, in womens advantage
Do you believe gender shouldn't be a factor in hiring and salary? YES
Do you believe women should be treated equally? YES
p.s. all feminism is marxist.
the feminism we have now is not for equality, feminism = female supremacy
MGsven 4 months ago
@MGsven Marxism is actually a good thing, except for the rich and powerful (who are the minority yet benefit from exploiting the majority). The recession should have told you this, you are never going to become rich and the rich have ruined the country for profit.
patsybob 3 months ago
@patsybob well marxism always targets a group, standard marxism tagets the rich, but it doesnt distinguish between self made and proviledged. marxism is quite totalitarian, i prefer freedom
MGsven 3 months ago
@patsybob "We would be compelled to acknowledge that Stalinism was rooted not in the backwardness of the country, but in the congenital incapacity of the proletariat to become a ruling class. Then it would be necessary to establish, in retrospect, that the present USSR was the precursor of a new and universal system of exploitation." -- Leon Trotsky, 1938
GluttonForSex 3 months ago
@GluttonForSex Yeah, Communist worked by empowering the people, but the people would have to rebel in order for socialism to occur and then complete Communism.
patsybob 3 months ago
You best be filming this from the kitchen.
RedLine353 4 months ago
If i were a construction contractor, and needed to hire someone for some heavy lifting, yes, i would consider gender when hiring. An average, men are physically stronger then women. that is indisputable.
Stackondat 4 months ago
Idiot,A B C ?... no it's D;Women are always "victims" and are abusing the politically correct culture to ram their agendas down societys throat!
watevatube 4 months ago
So by your definition of Feminism: The belief that women are treated unequally and should be treated equally. Then women in our society today should have rights taken away, to be equal to men.
veldinsparx 4 months ago
@veldinsparx Well said, Obviously this girl is not a feminist unless it is a new branch called *entitiled feminism* because she doesn't say a word about gender being applied to women in frontline combat. For every 1000 men in harm's way I want to see 1000 women in harm's way. Don't want them in same tents or in same fox holes. Don't even want them in same company. I just want to see them charge at enemy w/bayonets fixed and come back 50/50 in body bags same as men. I also agree w/ MNeilGri below
MLJ1219 4 months ago
@MLJ1219 No, I'd rather not see 1000 women on the frontlines. Statistics show that the top 10% of women in the military perform as well as the average 40% of men. Instead of having 1000 women in the military, and training them by "women's" standards, they should be trained by men's standards. If they can pass those, by all means let them join. But don't dumb down the training and the tests just because they are women. If they want to be in the military, they should be as physically capable asmen
veldinsparx 4 months ago
@veldinsparx N truth I agree w/you but I was trying 2 make a point about gender equality. Pls correct me if I'm wrong but don't police, firefighter's & military have dumb downed requirements that allow women to not perform 2 the same qualifications as men?? What use 2 b a 2 man job of stretcher bearer was changed 2 4 man job so women could qualify. women r allowed 2 do push ups on knees etc. etc. I don't care how it gets done I just want 2 c women get equal opport 2 die as a man. No chivalry.
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@veldinsparx N truth I agree w/you but I was trying 2 make a point about gender equality. Pls correct me if I'm wrong but don't police, firefighter's & military have dumb downed requirements that allow women to not perform 2 the same qualifications as men?? What use 2 b a 2 man job of stretcher bearer was changed 2 4 man job so women could qualify. women r allowed 2 do push ups on knees etc. etc. I don't care how it gets done I just want 2 c women get equal opport 2 die as a man. No chivalry.
MLJ1219 4 months ago
"Feminism = women are equal to men ..." Someone can answer yes to questions 2 and 3 and believe that women are superior to men and deserve to be elevated above them and still, by your own litmus test, be counted as a feminists. Dworkin, MacKinnin and Valenti are all examples of this. Feminism has absolutely nothing to do with equality or being treated equal, it has to do with female empowerment. The varied kinds of feminism take it to different levels, but not a one of them help mens inequality
MNeilGri 4 months ago
@MNeilGri Cont... And it is the above reason why feminist's piss me off so much. By your own test, a person can believe in female supremacy and be a feminist. Examples of such feminists abound, and yet, we are routinely told by people like she in the video that it is "US" that don't understand what feminism is. Your very definition does not match with the potential of your own test, and conflicts with acknowledged feminist activists, and it is "us" that don't understand what feminism means?
MNeilGri 4 months ago
Womens should be treated equally. This is why they should be paid less then men. Because women are most likely to be absent from work for personal or child care reason then men. After all, mens do pay higher car insurance because they are most likely to be in a car accident. It only a fair assertion of risk by the employer. Fuck you feminist cunt.
newtubetubetube 4 months ago
I just want women to start buying their own drinks and dinners
whitebitchnigga 4 months ago
I just wandering why "76% dislikes". Feminism was a product of the modern industrialized society, not a revolutionary idea either. Everything it deal with MONEY. It is sadly true. Moreover, feminism is part of dumbing down program. The result .....
pier3800 4 months ago
I believe women are equal to men, should be paid the same, and genders should not be considered when hiring. That is not Feminism, that is Humanism. That is human equality. The term "Feminism" itself infers that women's rights are at the forefront, and men are an afterthought. I consider this attitude sadly ironic, and quite ignorant.
TheBlackStar999 4 months ago
Let's not split hairs here. Feminists of any stripe are all cut from the same cunt rag.
jmitnick210 5 months ago
Multi feminism yeh? All stinks to me, its effects, politically, culturally, legally, that's what counts. Whatever Feminism's mantra is, it chucks all men into one pot and seeks to control, affect their behaviour.
Call it what you want, the repercussions of Feminism's bias and power (through laws, courts, policy, employment, perception of the male) affect all men.
See Feminism's antics as 'fallout', with us, affecting us, every day.
LikeMindedIncident 5 months ago
Equity feminists are far more reasonable and less prone to histrionics than gender feminists. Gender feminists are usually histrionic or borderline types who are disorderly crazymaking bitches that project their internal chaos onto others, especially guys.
ShakaCthulu 5 months ago
As far as I am concerned, your list (and I don't really agree with all of them) constitutes someone who is pro-equality.
It lies within the word feminism itself that it is a philosophy that idealizes feminimity which - by most in our soceity - is directly translated to womanhood.
A person who believes in equality and who calls themselves a feminist are basically tricked into lending credence to a movement that is about empowering 50% of the population by any means neccesary.
Peace.
CHRLPTRSN 5 months ago
well, you people want to be equal, but treated differently, you want to be equal, but get all the confort from men, by manipulating sex, and whean you get equal pay you don't respect men who is equal, you want a better something, and when you never know what you want, you are driven purely by competition and greed, well you already are. Peace.
koreanmarco 5 months ago
Youre wrong. This is just what the feminists hide behind.
N0N5T0P 5 months ago
I dont think its because people dont understand its just most people dont like it, simple really.
Liam2621 5 months ago
First thing, your claims that people don't like feminism because they don't understand it is akin to what feminists call "mansplaining". If you don't know the term, look it up. Second, while I need to give you props for not making the typical incorrect claim that feminism is about equality, but actually acknowledge it's only equality for women, you must realize that focus on women causes far to many feminists to focus any discussion on women ONLY. That in itself is gender discrimination. Problem
MNeilGri 5 months ago
Sorry but Feminism has led to women being more equal then men. Why call it feminism? That implies that its strictly for women. Why are mens issues ignored but not womans issues? Why is Misandry okay but Misogyny is evil? Why do we only hear about women being abused but not about the countless women who abuse men or children? Feminism is not about equality from what I have seen. Remember its not what we say its what we do. Feminism does a lot more harm than good.
PratosKS 5 months ago
Do you believe women and men are equal?
Mentally yes, physically no.
Do you believe women are treated unequally?
Yes, because of the obvious sexual situations.
Do you believe gender shouldn't be a factor in hiring and salary?
No.
Do you believe women should be treated equally?
No, I treat a lady like a lady.
JustA1337Gamer 5 months ago
1) Men are not equal to women in the same way apples are not equal to bananas.
2) For the most part, sex shouldn't be considered when hiring, but we have government sponsored discrimination (AKA affirmative action) that puts women & minorities into positions simply to fill quotas without regard for merit.
3) I believe women should get paid the same as men IF THEY DO THE SAME JOBS. Today women earn more than men for doing less work.
Feminism is & was NOTHING but a female supremacist movement.
Razlo5000 5 months ago
@Razlo5000 {I believe women should get paid the same as men IF THEY DO THE SAME JOBS}
Person A, hired 6 months ago gets $12/hr because they have other fields and opportunities and can command this wage.
Person B, hired today gets $10/hr because they are desperate for work and lack other opportunities.
Both do the same job.
Is that 'just'? Yes, because it is a voluntary agreement by all parties.
Women create a glut of women in certain sectors, and will always command lessor compensation.
mindprism 3 months ago
@mindprism
"is a voluntary agreement by all parties."
Absolutely, I agree 100%, however, if person B happens to belong to a group of people who >WERE at one time oppressed< (or in the case of women, perceived to be oppressed but really weren't), person B can file a claim of discrimination. Additionally, if it comes time to cut off a finger to save the hand, person B's superficial qualities grants them FAR more job security despite the fact person B works far fewer hours, & takes more sick days.
Razlo5000 3 months ago
@mindprism
Secondly,
The sectors women are filling up are the far safer & less stressful jobs which are usually done in climate controlled office buildings.
"women will always command lessor compensation."
Are you kidding me? Women obviously aren't settling for lesser compensation. Case in point: Walmart's recent "sexism" lawsuit.
Femi-supremacists & the media in general often hold that meaningless $.70 on the dollar factoid up as proof of the "oppression" of the "patriarchy".
Razlo5000 3 months ago
I just fail to understand why feminism is necessary or in any way relevant. No Rights for women, no rights for homosexuals- just universal rights for humans.
notseymour 5 months ago
Feminism isn't this at all. Feminism is and always has been purely political to empower the left. The women in this country have it better than anyone else in the world, yet all they do is complain.
rendarsmith 5 months ago
@glamgirl554 Well it's hard for a woman to rape a man just cause most men would want to have sex,so technically it wouldn't be considered a rape.And you can't tell to the rape victims:"YOU WANT RANDOM SEX AND YOU WON'T PRESS ANY CHARGES!".Anywhore,It's easy to rape a guy,even for a woman.Just take a gun and death threat the fucker in order to get some action.Done!Before you know it,you're in jail...there you get to know the real meaning of rape. :)
MeCreateAccountxD 5 months ago
It's not neccessary to silence the extremists;if more publicly prominent feminists had made an effort to disassociate themselves and the movement from individuals who promoted intolerance,as most any other organisation would,then feminists could claim that the identification of feminism with misandry was unfair.But they didn't.The standard line I've heard feminists say is that "There are many faces to feminism".As feminists decided to embrace intolerant feminism,they have no right to complain.
disagreeablesob 6 months ago
women say they want to be treated = to a man untill the ship starts sinking then its women and children 1st
as for women getting = pay as a man lets see women do = work as a man 99-100% of work place deaths are men 90-95% of work place injuries are men why are feminists not fighting for more women to get dangerous jobs after all they do pay well
feminists belive women are better then men not equal if they relly wanted to fight for = rights they would be fighting for men and womens rights
allhailmegatron1 6 months ago
yeh its amazing how many different kinds there are- and its all bullshit!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
Why is there a camera in your kitchen?
flippy55555 6 months ago
So im a feminist? and a man?
No......
TheVoltage335 6 months ago
Because of this, all of the rad feminists that do things that are bad, especially to men and boys, get to blend in with all the other feminists, and most of the other feminists don't seem to be doing anything about it.
3070dan 7 months ago
Are you saying then, that the majority of feminists are against affirmative action? It does not matter to me that there are different types of feminism, because all feminists refer to themselfs as feminist. They do not call themselfs radical feminists, or any other type of feminsts, they just call themselfs feminists.
3070dan 7 months ago
Once a word has been branded as a bad thing it doesn't matter what sect of that group you call you self it still has a negative impression .
Those who don't agree with the radicals who are ruining their name should call them selves some thing different.
Names have a lot of power as first impressions can be everything.
facemite 7 months ago
@facemite
well, that's why I say the equalists are the most pragmatic way to go. leave feminists, the MRA and the fucking gender war behind and have both sexes jsut concentrate on getting shit done. no real reason why there should be unequal pay, fight for against that. no real reason why we use the same divorce laws we have used 60 years ago. fight to fix that, etc
nigen 7 months ago
I believe in equality (across the board). Example: If a woman goes to be a soldier, then she should be put through the same regiment that a man gets put through. If she succeeds, then she should have every privilege that a man gets (pay, status, etc). REALITY does not adhere to this. A man should have equal rights when it comes to family, relationship privileges, etc. REALITY does not adhere to this. Do you see where I'm going with this? The system wants one thing. Justice is another.
TainoMantis 8 months ago
dont listin to these femenist listen to these femenist get your ideas strat
deathpresent101 8 months ago
17 likes to 50 dislikes
feminazis are true descendants of their nazi fathers or mothers and sperm banks in your case
nwb954 8 months ago
One thing I notice a lack of in feminist rhetoric is advocacy for equal responsibility which must go hand-in-hand with rights if true equality is ever to be achieved.
morghanphoenix 10 months ago
Looks like others have already voiced the FEMINism point.
You said that if you believe men are equal to women you're a feminist, but the focus on women while dismissing the concerns facing men makes feminism an innately sexist concept.
In the beginning the sexism was balanced by a weakened social and political position, but that status has been reversed as of late, leaving feminism as the root cause of cultural misandry that often leads to reactionary misogyny.
morghanphoenix 10 months ago
@morghanphoenix
pretty much the whole reason why feminism has such a bad rep right now. starting the gender war was a REALLY stupid idea, and so far hasn't helpped anyone, just has created more enemies
nigen 10 months ago
amaiying video hun
EnaAudrey 10 months ago
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Davidvp 10 months ago
why can't we all just understand that no gender is better or more superior than the other? seriously, if we were all equal and had equal RESPECT for each other their would be no need for feminists. The only reason i think feminism still exists is because there are some extremly rude and disrespectful men out there who still think that a women should be stuck in a kitchen all day. Come on people!!! It is not 1950 anymore!!!
118rose 10 months ago
@118rose
well part of the reason the rude and disrespectful sociopaths are still present is that their behavior yields results. in other words, if women stopped going for these assholes, alot of them would see that there is no merit to being a asshole and their would be a nice moderate shift, but because women so blindly go for assholes and douche bags it re-forces that behavior. if the bell curve of women could wise up, some of those problems could be taken care of.
nigen 10 months ago
I believe answering yes to your questions does NOT make one a feminist, it makes one an equalist.................now get back in the kitchen bitch
clessielc 11 months ago
I have no problem answering "No" to each and every one of these questions. While it is true that equal pay should be given for equal work, women are not capable of doing equal work in any sense of the term so this issue is a non-starter. And for the record, I am not a chauvinist, I simply live in reality. Try it some time.
hellsunicorn 11 months ago
@hellsunicorn
well I am in favor of the equal pay thing, but I am not a fan of out-dated rhetoric. if I hear that 70% stat again that has been around since the 70s and has obviously changed since more women are getting jobs and getting into college and the fact that unequal pay isn't actually legal leads me to thin that the 70% is outdated by now. if we want to hunt down the source of the remaining pay gap I am for it, but if we use the same stupid 70%, then look for it yourself.
nigen 10 months ago
Attention idiots!
"FEMINISM" is a meaningless word that has been used by women to appose and to support virtually every single issue that effects women. Example; Women who appose pornography and call themselves feminists... Women who support pornography and call themselves feminists... The word and the neurotic ideologies should now be abandoned as we're all sick to death of it.
Think "MENISM" does that sound stupid to you? Thought so.
embracingreality 11 months ago
@embracingreality, great points. 100% agree.
teerexness 11 months ago
There's the literal definition of what feminism is, and the ACTUAL BEHAVIOR of those women who claim to be feminists.
It just annoys me how those women who claim to be feminists for social equality are so blind to see the apparent hypocrisy in the media, politics, the legal system, and in domestic relationships (i.e. men are dumb violent brutes and women are victims of the established "patriarchy"
This is why I don't take any1 who claims to be feminists seriously.
ApollosInsight 1 year ago
Shut the fuck up. And by the way. Some jobs you cant have women around to debate whats right and wrong. So what, are we going to select women for special operation forces? No. We will not. Fuck. You.
And by the way, its not amazing. Its not human.
ComandnConquerFreak 1 year ago
Seriously. You go against being a human when you are a femenist.
ComandnConquerFreak 1 year ago
I think your definition of feminism is naive. If you really want to include all forms of feminism you could define it as a movement by, of & for women for the purpose of gaining rights & priviledges for women. This includes equity feminists who are concerned with equal rights, as well as radical feminists who see patriarchy (in other words, men) as the root cause of all oppression, and even matriarchal feminists who actually want female supremacy. This covers all bases much better.
prschuster 1 year ago
well if you really want feminism to survive, I'd say like in any movement survival and victory are with the moderates. if you keep allowing the insane nut job feminists continue to be part of the club, you will continue to loose moderate support. if you really think that feminism is worth keeping then shut up the nut jobs and just go with the core values, which seem mainly to be legal and professional. otherwise the nuts jobs will just poison and alienate the whole thing.
nigen 1 year ago
@nigen finally a comment worth responding to.....
The problem with this is free speech. People don't have control over each other in anyway. You could say the same thing about Republicans and the Tea Partiers, Muslims and Islamists, black rights activists and black Panthers.... within every social movement there will be an extreme.
jharsika 1 year ago
@jharsika
hence why they invented denouncing, if the feminists really didn't want the nut jobs ruining their image, then they could simply declare that the nutjobs are just that, nutjobs. just because the nutjobs are supporting them doesn't mean its the kind of support t that you would want.
nigen 1 year ago
@nigen They probably see the nutjobs as their muscle. Lol
DeadSleepers 11 months ago
@DeadSleepers
not very smart and probably alienates any hope for moderate supporters... but whatever, they can screw themselves over however they see fit.
nigen 11 months ago
@jharsika who is the original user who posted this?
synchronium24 6 months ago
@jharsika
That may be the case, but as a Christian who is also a theistic evolutionist, I tell YECs who have no clue what they are talking about to shut the hell up. I laugh at Ken Ham and so do the other intelligent Christians I know. You need to do the same with your nutcases, tell them to shut the hell up.
Those radical feminist authors that you marginalised are more popular than you think they are.
DarthOvious 5 months ago
@jharsika
Actually feminists never challenge the nut jobs within their movement ever.
E:g: When someone in NOW says "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" you challenge that you don't make it your slogan, and then you don't go around complaining that men abandoned their wives and children. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT FEMINISTS DO and its pathetic.
For now If you really want women to be treated equally to men then treat them like dirt. Food for thought.
I will never support feminism.
stupidfeminazifoolz 5 months ago
@jharsika
Which is why masculists/feminists are moving towards both using the term humanist; to kill off the extremists who want gender supremacy.
Because, the more extreme "feminists" do not want equality. Extreme "feminists" in the UK have been shooting down equal rights on paternity pay to that of maternity pay (despite the fact there is such a thing as a single father) and have repeatedly attacked from a political angle masculism. They have demonised masculists without any good reason.
MrNthDegree 3 months ago
blah blah bable.. feminism definition was self created, self promoted and in modern times feminism is extremely one sided, misleading, family destructive, self defeating, insecure, power trip, statistic fabricating, child fatherless / single mother hood promotion by making women who chose to stay home with their kids as if they are doing something wrong, relationship ending, man bashing babble etc etc.. there is no separating the bad from the good in the army against you. feminism IS radical.
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
@dlanders damn straight!
kingarthur2009 1 year ago
A woman who believes in 'good feminism' is like a woman who believes its 'true love' when it isn't.
Here is the results of your feminism: You can work.... or, you can work. Congratulations. How is all that 'freedom' working out for you? Are you happy now at Hooters or swinging from a pole?
It was all about driving down the cost of labor. Good luck finding a man who can support a family on his income alone now (which means you most likely wont marry)
mindprism 1 year ago
@mindprism very well said
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
there is only one feminist
and they hate men
to be equal is to admit
that feminist want men on the ground
and their foot on his throat.
masterzune 1 year ago
Q1. No I don't believe that. Society treats women like they are flawless and men like they are guilty of something.
Q2. I agree that gender should not be considered when hiring but there are quotas for women and minorities but nothing like that for men. It should be about equal opportunity not equal outcome.
Q3. I can't give a simple yes or no to this. Typically men work longer hours, take less days off, more likely to die on the job, willing to travel, etc...
theignoredgender 1 year ago
Shut it ho and make me some eggs!
kingarthur2009 1 year ago
@kingarthur2009 dont forget the bacon...
dlanders07 1 year ago
'Feminism = women are equal to men and should be treated as such.'
~wrong, you might want to do some research on the history of the word
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
Lies. You fail at Feminism, you also used Wikipedia as an accurate source... double fail.
Check out the channel called manwomanmyth and prepare to be educated on how wrong you really are. Specifically find the video called "Feminism in a nutshell"
Do it.
RavenLucian1 1 year ago
Your views seem to indicative of egalitarinaism, not feminism. It is true that there are many well intentioned people who call themselves feminist, however this is not what feminism is. Because the closer you get to the intelectual core of this ideaology, the greater the hatred becomes.
Feminism is attractive because it resonates with a lot of people, however, its central core is based on hatred and bigotry. It is the ultimate evil. Within this truth is a most insidious lie
TheManWhoSpoke 1 year ago
Feminism was never an ideology based upon equality. Rather its original purpose, at least in the United States, held a different agenda. The following information explicates on this view:
The Progressive Era and the Family
w w w. mises. org/ daily/ 1259
Mechanized0 1 year ago
Your description of feminism then yes im a Feminist.
AnarchoSyndicalistt 1 year ago
Man=Woman is NORMAL Woman>Man is FEMINISM
TheLizard17 1 year ago
Feminism, the very word, only contains a reference to females, and it can be nothing else but a sole focus on females, i.e. female supremacy. Female supremacy is already largely in effect in the western world. If you've ever been tossed in jail without evidence or due process due to a feminist law perhaps YOU would understand. There is no movement for equality because there was no inequality to begin with. A woman who is your loyal wife and raises your children deserves nothing but respect.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
No one is equal.
NihilisticLogic 1 year ago
Never be a feminist
djjsktooep67 1 year ago
Feminism like being a woman, means whatever the particular woman wants it to mean at any particular time. The truth is that women as a group are horrible people, and if it wasn't for the vagoo most men would not even talk to them.
losecbox 1 year ago
Hmm iam not sure if i can agree on that.
If you have to say yes to only one point,
one could basicly belive that men are superior to women and still be a feminist?
Thobias 1 year ago
what a crock of shit feminism is feminism period I don't care how many words you put before the word feminism its all the same. NOTHING BUT BUUUUUUUUULLSHIT! how about we throw away feminism and turn to equalism.
ninjapenguino101 1 year ago
Feminism isnt chosen for you based on some choices, i believe in equality and shit, but im by far not a feminist because of the famous, or should i saw infamous, that say things that are completely against the male population even existing, i know some feminists are good, but honestly, if you want equality, be the head of the home, pay for the house mortgage, go to work every day and not be allowed to have a personal life, theres your equality
nicholas132 1 year ago
@nicholas132 And frankly, i dont believe any feminist has a reason any more, suffragettes had a reason way back when, but its just nit picking now
nicholas132 1 year ago
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ninjapenguino101 1 year ago
that would be a good feminist
unlike those crazy men hatin
radical bitches
KO1407 1 year ago
Fist of all, few straight men lacking gender issues are going to want to be called a word based on feminin. Second, as you said there's quite a degree to feminism now. There's even a 'feminist philosphy'. Feminism is more of a political group or even theology than anything else. Saying someone who believes in equaility is a feminist is like saying someone who wants to help the poor is a democrate.
humanistheart 1 year ago
Feminism is sexist, top to bottom.
romeosevendelta 1 year ago
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professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
You do not get to assign people with labels based on a "litmus test." Feminism is an IDEOLOGY and ideological thinkers are no better than religious group thinkers. The issue is not whether YOU follow equality, but whether other feminist organizations and groups follow equality.
It is amazing how many feminists have the audacity to use The No True Scotsman Fallacy OVER AND OVER AND OVER again ad nauseam. And using the dictionary as an authority figure is an appeal to authority fallacy.
DonF72 1 year ago
Um, for the first two questions, if you vote yes then you are not a feminist.
For example, name a single bill that feminists fought for whose primary beneficiary was men.
Also, feminists believe that in an area that has few women that the woman should be given priority in hiring. What is affirmative action?
That is why I am NOT a feminist. Because I believe that men and women should have equal rights.
TheFenceandtheJug 1 year ago
@TheFEnceandtheJug
You are incorrect. You seem to have missed my entire point. Feminism isn't one big blob. It has different sub-theories. There are some feminists that would say affirmative action is a good thing, and some that would disagree.
jharsika 1 year ago
@jharsika So feminists can only be people who support equal pay with equal qualifications yet not support (or be actively against) equal in hiring and equality in general ?
I accept that.
TheFenceandtheJug 1 year ago
@TheFenceandtheJug Let me know when you want to have a rational discussion without distortions.
jharsika 1 year ago
@jharsika
I understand. So long as you only care about women;'s rights and not men;'s you are a feminist. There are smaller subtheories below that but that is the overarching paradigm.
TheFenceandtheJug 1 year ago
In order...
1) Absolutely not and it's the fallacy feminism rests on, that men and women are somehow inherently equal to men. Take maths, science, medicine, sports, architecture and every field (even cooking) men are superior.
2) No, and that's why feminists should have no say in how companies hire their employees. Companies should hire based on the best value to the company even if it means more men or women.
3) No. People should only be paid and rewarded for their contributions!
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
Your entire logic is founded on false premises. Men are often the ones who dictate what is valuable and how much they should be compensated. Do you think teaching kindergarten age kids is important (predominately female occ)? As important as middle management in an accounting firm (predom male)? Because there is a HUGE discrepancy in pay, unjustifiably so in my eyes.
Your idea is good in theory, that people get hired/paid on merit, but in reality women often get paid less for the same job.
autumnzone1 1 year ago
My logic is founded on an understanding of economics and how businesses function. No company is going to decide to wastefully spend its money on simply paying men more for doing the same amount of work. Secondly, feminists cannot (and will not) simply admit that the wage discrepancy exists because men generate more wealth. Could you look at the skylines of the cities and honestly say to yourself women laid 50% of the foundations?
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
@professorfoxtrot : How can men generate more wealth if women are responsible for carrying and nurturing the human race? Surely that is a wealth that is not quantified by income.
Men aren't paid more, women are paid less. Secondly, the wage discrepancy exists because men have been deciding what is important and how much to pay. Men have controlled government and economics. Do you think that a skyline is the only measure of value? You didn't answer about IMPORTANCE of kindergartens, not profit.
autumnzone1 1 year ago
@professorfoxtrot You are completely ignoring the informal economy. A society is not just run on money. Many an economist has attempted to quantify the informal economy or argued that it should be brought into the formal economy by making sure that unpaid roles become paid roles. If this were to happen you would have a much easier time of seeing women's roles in society. Not just women but volunteers as well.
jharsika 1 year ago
@jharsika Making unpaid roles, paid roles is hilarious because feminists want to be paid for taking care of themselves and their children. Hollywood parents are similar because they believe that the purpose of raising children is not personal gratification through compromises like their own parents had made for them but cashing in. One of the arduous chores you mentioned was shopping, why not pay people for shopping!
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
@jharsika The idea of an informal economy is silly. You can't run an economy on wishful thinking plain and simple. Plus you'd have to keep a system of balances for the money men always spend on their wives, dinners, lunches, rings purses. Also, Volunteers cease to be volunteers if they're paid.
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
@professorfoxtrot cont'd
Think of it. Women give birth,and traditionally: raise children, do household chores, laundry, cooking, manage family routines, provide informal family counselling, do groceries, shopping, cook, clean, care for the elderly, even some minimal form of health care, and a huge variety of other tasks that are unpaid. Can you look at society at all and say that women laid none of its foundations? Women do not "generate less wealth" than men. They aren't counted into the GDP.
jharsika 1 year ago
@jharsika Men raise children, plus they do the household chores, lawn maintanence, repair work, car maintanence, heading the family, financial responsibilities and bill payments in addition to working which supports the lifeblood of the family.
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
@jharsika: well said, it's what I was trying to say but didn't say properly.
autumnzone1 1 year ago
@jharsika I've asked on several occasions how much of the gender wage gap(approximately 23%) is due to sexism. They cannot even give a rough estimate if their lives depended on it. They don't know, that's the thing, it falls under the same indoctrinated crap surrounding the "glass ceiling." Buzz words are the instruments of indoctrination and only one academic discipline uses buzz words for things that are routinely intangible and unprovable.
DonF72 1 year ago
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@jharsika I've asked on several occasions how much of the gender wage gap(approximately 23%) is due to sexism. They cannot even give a rough estimate if their lives depended on it. They don't know, that's the thing, it falls under the same indoctrinated crap surrounding the "glass ceiling." Buzz words are the instruments of indoctrination and only one academic discipline uses buzz words for things that are routinely intangible and unprovable.
DonF72 1 year ago
I think what professorfoxtrot meant by mean generating more wealth is that men tend to work in a more hazardous environment than women are. There has been studies on it with male and females in many fields of work and its shown that women tend to change occupations a hell of a lot more than men and are not willing to relocate at times (yes children and no children have been taken into this as well) there are women who make more than men in some fields.
ninjapenguino101 1 year ago
@jharsika and to say a woman should be paid for raising children, doing household chores, laundry, cooking, and so fourth pertaining to family issues is ridiculous all that comes with being a parent. That's like saying I should be paid for playing with my kids...
ninjapenguino101 1 year ago
@jharsika {Women do not "generate less wealth" than men}
Yes, they do. How many patents do women hold? How many trailblazing businessmen are women? Do you have a boatload of Henrietta Fords you been hiding from us?
Only in a womans mind is this type of self-delusion possible, I swear.
The whole factual world around you can be against your position and your still trying to squirm away from the reality.
No wonder you fail.
mindprism 1 year ago
Thirdly, importance of a job is determined entirely by market demand. If governments intervened and engaged in price fixing of jobs, everyone would become kindergarten teachers as it is significantly easier than managing risk assessment of financial assets. There would be no incentive for people to take on jobs that are less fun or entail more risks. In the end, everyone gets what they deserve.
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
@professorfoxtrot Thirdly, the government engages in fixing prices and monopolies all the time. But honestly there is no way I could become a kingergarten teacher, in my eyes it's WAY more stressful than middle management, and I don't know many men who would want to do it. But I don't think anyone can fairly say it's not extremely valuable to society. Yes, we have men and women in the market, but the market (as we have seen in the USA) is not always right, the government does need to step in.
autumnzone1 1 year ago
It's funny that you mention kindgergarten teachers because that's what I do. It's not my career but it's what I'm doing to make ends meet at the moment while I'm traveling abroad. It's not stressful at all and as much I'd like to have a bigger salary, it would not be deserved. A kindergarten teacher has never jumped off of the roof because they had a bad day at work.
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
@professorfoxtrot: well there you go! you haven't really answered my question though.... which is more important for society? kindergarten teacher, or middle management in an accounting firm? and is the money difference a fair representation of that difference in value? I don't think it is...
I don't really think stress is the best way to determine value of a job to society. most doctors are the most chilled out people I know!
autumnzone1 1 year ago
@autumnzone1 It depends on the person. I would never reduce someone's life as a contribution to society. People's lives are their own and they chose their path's for financial reasons, I have nothing against them. Their lives are owed to no one, nor should their money be. Though middle management would be taxed at a higher rate, so their contribution would be more.
professorfoxtrot 1 year ago
Hmm. If that is the case, then most feminist are'nt actually femenists.
Hreinn91 1 year ago
@Hreinn91 What do you mean?
jharsika 1 year ago
@jharsika he means that most feminists are nut cases, and therefore, can't be considered feminists. one example is germaine greer. very prominent, very mainstream, famous, and well known. yet, if you read one of her books, the woman is clearly insane. under your definition, greer is not a feminist.
33LB 6 months ago
The biggest problem I have is more of the "traditional" girls come from religious homes.
And with me being an atheist....it eventually becomes problematic.
zippy476 1 year ago
Then you have the problem of lowering standards so females can meet requirements.
Then of course you have sexual harassment problems. Where if a female is treated like "one of the boys" she can sue for sexual harassment.
Again feminist want to be "equal" to a point.
I have no problem with equality as long as we mix in a little common sense.
For me I of course don't want an air head that agrees with me no matter what, But I also don't want someone who thinks they wear the "pants".
zippy476 1 year ago
@zippy476 wow well said I mean that too
ninjapenguino101 1 year ago
It goes along the same lines of why females cannot compete with males in athletics.
Again there are some jobs that females just cannot do as well as males. Even if you get the best female you will always find a male that can out perform her.
Males and Females cannot always be "equal" we are different sexes and evolved for different purposes.
zippy476 1 year ago
1. Do you believe women are equal to men?
It depends on what category we are talking about.
2. Gender considered when hiring?
I think Gender should be considered. There are some things that men can do better then women. Especially in fields that require physical strength.
3. Equal pay?
Yes.
I am not going to lie though I want a "traditional" wife. Someone who stays home, cooks, cleans and raises the kids.
Honestly today all get from feminism is they are trying to neuter men.
zippy476 1 year ago
@zippy476
1. What do you mean by category?
2. So strength should be considered if it is a quality necessary for the job, not gender. some women are stronger than men.
And fine go ahead and want that, there are plenty of women out there who want it too.
But that feminists are out to 'neuter men' is a misconception and generalization. There might be some, but not ALL feminists.
jharsika 1 year ago
@jharsika I would say a small percentage of women are physically bigger stronger faster then a small percentage of men, yes. But as a rule.....
And yes jobs like, police officer, fireman, infantrymen, construction worker ect...where physical strength and size are very important I think you should look at gender.
As a rule males are physically superior to females, So why higher a female if you can get a bigger stronger faster male?
zippy476 1 year ago
@gojiguyver3
that is exactly what I'm saying feminism does not do. The only difference between "equalism" and feminism is that one assumes there is inequality to get rid of, the other does not....
jharsika 1 year ago
"Do I believe women are equal to men"
No I do not, and it is clear that they aren't.
"Do I believe that gender should be considered when hiring?"
No I do not, which is why women should lose Affirmative Action.
"Pay gap"
The pay gap is due to the personal choices of women.
Answering yes to any of those questions does not make you a feminist.
Frankly you really do not know what you are talking about. Try naming some legal rights women women are denied in western countries.
hpufo 1 year ago
@hpufo
Sorry I misspoke, gender should NOT be considered when hiring is what I meant. As in, you shouldn't be refused a job because of your gender.
I may make another video about gender inequality soon to clear those things up.
jharsika 1 year ago
"I may make another video about gender inequality soon to clear those things up." Sweet. Will you talk about inequality men go through? You know, like gender bias in the courts, the education gap, women's glass cellar (men have all the shitty, dangerous jobs), the fact that school age boys are drugged 7 times more than girls because feminist teachers expect boys to be "equal" to girls, etc, etc etc... Probably not. You are a feminist, after all. Equality when it benefits you.
TruTV 1 year ago
@TruTV
Did you actually watch the video and do research on feminism? That's exactly what I'm saying. Mainstream feminism (ie. not radical feminism) is not "equality when it benefits you"
I may address male inequality yes... perhaps you would like to as well? As a female myself I'd be hard pressed to truly represent the plight of males...
jharsika 1 year ago
I've read everyone from Steinem to Valenti. And yes, mainstream feminism is anti-male. It was mainstream feminists that pushed Obama to not concentrate on male-dominated jobs when he was writing his recovery plan, even though 85% of the jobs lost in the recession belonged to men. It is you who has not researched feminism well enough. "As a female myself..." How about as a human being? This is the problem with feminism, it's brainwashed you.
TruTV 1 year ago