Is There Meaning in Evil and Suffering? (7 of 11)

[horsie111]

I agree with the top commenter... It's a common atheist conceit, to use terms such as "moral values" when the debate itself is about whether those terms even mean anything at all. Leikind actually uses expressions like "the societies that happen to exist today", "that somehow survived" in arguing against the use of the term "accidental" as the source of these "ancient people's moral values". (7:00+)

This stuff only works with atheists *because* they have a moral conscience rooted in Right.

[TheNewday2]

A problem is found in saying, "evil is a depature from the way the things aught to be implying a designed plan of the way that the universe aught to be and It aught to be a certain way morally" with the assertation it will be best attained through theism only for anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ as Lord.

[polopowers1]

Christions affirming God moral is wrong. God is not moral never described Himself as moral. Morality is not the end for God neither is it His Nature. God is superior Virtue more than moraityl laws.Morals are powerless virtue done by flesh of man. God is Spirit, so are His people. Spirit not intended to live morality but Spirit Virtue superior.Christions lose argument on morality because God is not moral He gave powerless morality before Christ Morality is not the objective,but Spirit

[ApologeticsArsenal]

Given Leikind's idea of the socio-biological emergence of relative morality, we would have no real basis for objecting to anybody else's behavior. His notion of socio-biological morality is one of a herd mentality, and acts such as lying, stealing, murder, and rape would be nothing more than being socially unfashionable. The rapist is merely out of fashion and not objectively wrong. Hitler was unfashionable, not one who committed moral abominations. Naturalistic atheism fails on morality.

[clovek456]

there cant be moral experience there can only be morality which cannot be turned into someones experience...that is the same as to say that morality evolves which is absurd..We come to know morality but morality is not a thing which could enter this world and become a thing of this world..At best it can come to a soul who loves it(Him)...to understand morality is only possible if we totaly give up on ego and stop following it..there are many people who "understand" but dont give up on their ego.

[Godbtheglory1]

Dr. Leikind appears to be very elementary. And is not straight forward. Speaks without substance.

[IloveYOUviruses]

What is Leikind doing there!?

[hexusziggurat]

I think Mohanty is just stopping at the "objective moral laws" ...and can't find the chain that links it to that which provides the source of the "ought" or even the next intermediate step. Its unfortunate but with that unmade chain he indeed finds himself sharing the same pool as the atheist in which nobody can claim authoratative "ought". Mohantys' side figures "it just is" while the other side says it derives from humanity or collective society.

[hexusziggurat]

1:38 deflection ;(

[athlete117]

Why is Leikind laughing and smiling throughout the whole thing as though he isn't taking any of it seriously? Or is it a laugh of embarrassment because of how poorly thought out his own arguments are compared to the others in the discussion?

[newbirth17]

Leikind is talking nonsense. His theories are a joke. But billions are satified with him and people like Dawkins because they want and have to believe the lies in order to feel better about their sinful lifestyle.

[Megaritz]

@newbirth17 I became an atheist because I was no longer convinced that the arguments for God's existence were valid. It was hard for me to deal with and took a long time. By all means, call me wrong. If I'm wrong, well then I'm wrong. I'm not perfect. I make mistakes. Explain why there's good evidence. I love debate. But please, don't call me and millions of other atheists liars. It can't be taken seriously. You'd like it if I called all Christians liars? You'd know it was a silly accusation.

[Creationcreed]

I have this Dvd and  Jitendra Mohanty actually starts to change his mind a bit: that there is a higher overarching Law. But I pray for both of them. Glad this was posted finally!

[chert95]

Leikind wants to eat his cake and then have it as well.

[aveyowyns]

...but he doesn't see that that is so, and that is what I find so frustrating about him.