Wrong. Vatican II is in fundamental respects discontinuous with genuine Catholic doctrine. As is the CCC. Exhibit A: para. 841.
The latest Novus Ordo translation is lipstick on a pig. The fundamental problem with it isn't any translation. The fundamental problem rests with the Novus Ordo itself, whether it's in Latin or not. To understand, begin by reading these:
Open Letter to Confused Catholics, by Abp. Marcel Lefebvre
&
The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church, by Fr. Matthias Gaudron
Before the 2nd vat council. in particular the majority of school students had nuns teaching ,who knew latin and taught us what was said at mass and explained it to us. We knew what was " going on ". Next year will be the 50th annivercery of V-2. In 50 yrs liturgicly the mass will be tridentine. The sprit of the 60's ,as well as the sprit of V-2 ,ie opening the window and letting the air get in was prelist.
Thank God I left the church after reading Buddhist teachings saying:"All that have a beginning also have an end", guess, yes, I'll burn in eternal hell...NOT!!!
LOL!!! "Original Latin"!!!!! This is like watching two idiots arguing!
Free Hint: Long before Trent (where the Church allowed Her enemies to define Her) there was the "original" Divine Liturgy.
But this is all a moot point. Once the ending of the Mass was changed from, "The Mass has ended. Go in peace to love and serve the Lord" to "The Mass has ended" the Church has been on a downward spiral.
Love this! Looking forward to the more accurate translations. The problem was not with Vatican II but the misimplemintation of it. Great video!! Holy Spirit bring the Catholic Church a new Pentecost!
Agreed...this is an oversimplification of the arguments against the translation and misses the point to bring a clever media approach to bring clarity. Shame. Because it is a very good idea...just poorly implemented
The ritual editions that are to be implemented on Nov. 27th are very similar to the rites of the Black Mass from only 100 years ago. By deleting the name of the Holy Ghost and replacing it with 'spirit', what the Masonic pagans worship, this destroys any remnant of validity. This is an attempt by the Jewish-Masonic leadership of these liturgical changes to have 1 billion 'Catholics' chant along with a Transcendental Black Mass, fulfilling Apoc. 22:17. Run.
If you are interested in a contemporary music setting for the Revised Mass, check out: "New Catholic Mass Music" and "New Catholic Mass Music Gloria."
@TheEuropeanWarrior Maybe you should respond to what is meant rather than what is said. If you are willfully flippant and looking only to score points, you sin. (If not, then not.)
Did it occur to you that "et cum spiritu tuo" is the original of the Mass you are now celebrating? Or is it your contention that only the Mass celebrated in the current translation in the English language is the only one that does not insult the Holy Spirit? Your problem is not with the new translation, but with the Novus Ordo as promulgated by Pope Paul VI, which says "et cum spiritu tuo."
I shall never declare more than one spirit, by giving a response 'And with your spirit'. Never shall I. It would hurt Jesus. One body, one Spirit in Him. Amen
@BritishSnail Your body is just flesh. How do you think the Church declares someone a saint when their body is buried in the ground? What would then be in heaven? Their ascended stomach? lol. It's their unique God-created spirit. We all have both a spirit and a body. This is how we were created in God's image. It's what separates us from the apes.
@BrigidGa5 I find you to be presumptive, aggressive and unhelpful. Thankfully my faith is strong, but you could upset and negatively affect others, or those new to faith, so be careful please. God has helped me with this matter a long time ago and I shan't bore you with those details.
@BrigidGa5 You totally misunderstood the depth and sincerity of the problem I 'was' having, which is a failing on your part and on the part of your arrogance. This is not good 'for Jesus'.
Total misrepresentation of the criticisms against the new translation. The statements from "Larry King" are ridiculous and do not represent the thoughts of moderate Catholics in America. They are merely strawmen set up so that "Sarah Palin" can cut them down. Totally bogus.
Great video, I'm looking forward to the new translation and the birth of what Vatican really intended in regards to the ordinary form of the Roman Rite!
As a very conservative Catholic of the diocese of Erie, I would like to defend my bishop. Just as Larry King misrepresented the Second Vatican Council, so he misrepresented my bishop. Bishop Trautman is a very pious and loving bishop who, though he was opposed to the translation, is not opposed to the hierarchy of the Church. Once the new translation was approved, he put aside his original misgivings and dedicated himself to supporting the decision of his brother bishops and the Holy father
Wrong. Vatican II is in fundamental respects discontinuous with genuine Catholic doctrine. As is the CCC. Exhibit A: para. 841.
The latest Novus Ordo translation is lipstick on a pig. The fundamental problem with it isn't any translation. The fundamental problem rests with the Novus Ordo itself, whether it's in Latin or not. To understand, begin by reading these:
Open Letter to Confused Catholics, by Abp. Marcel Lefebvre
&
The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church, by Fr. Matthias Gaudron
Jitpring 1 month ago
This is a great video! :D Thank God!
mcfcatholic 1 month ago
This is NOT a debate, it's a total ridiculization of a critical position! People opposed to the new translation DO NOT think this way.
TheAdroitly 2 months ago
lol! This is the worst representation of both sides of the arguement, I sincerely hope this is a joke!
TheologicalYoungLion 2 months ago
I like playing with the snow flakes
iShaneADuncan 2 months ago
Before the 2nd vat council. in particular the majority of school students had nuns teaching ,who knew latin and taught us what was said at mass and explained it to us. We knew what was " going on ". Next year will be the 50th annivercery of V-2. In 50 yrs liturgicly the mass will be tridentine. The sprit of the 60's ,as well as the sprit of V-2 ,ie opening the window and letting the air get in was prelist.
Ettoredipugnar 2 months ago
Thank God I left the church after reading Buddhist teachings saying:"All that have a beginning also have an end", guess, yes, I'll burn in eternal hell...NOT!!!
hotspur666 2 months ago
lol
Lord, protect us from the machinations of the evil one. = Lord, keep us from selfishness? duh?
sue200012 2 months ago
great video! loved it : )
911blackbetty 2 months ago
'Are you out of your mind?!...' 'Where is it in Vatican II that I can't reach behind your eye sockets and rip out your brain..'
levi199120 3 months ago
'just shut up and listen, moron' oh these lines are just too funny
levi199120 3 months ago
LOL!
I love the fact that the man is the same generation which opposes it...
TraditionalistThomas 3 months ago
This was great!
peruvianhitman 3 months ago
"You glittering jewel of ignorance." Love it!
GruntLogic 3 months ago
balt221, the Orthodox churches and the Assyrian Church of the East also have a valid Eucharist.
disputationist 3 months ago
@disputationist Those churches can work magic too? magicians are everywhere!
bassclarinet2000 2 months ago
"You are pre-conciliar"..."You glittering jewel of ignorance." Hilarious!
gsarrazo 3 months ago
So the vid is about a Lefebvrian and progressive vs. the real traditional teachings from the Church and Vatican II? :)
mikiroony 3 months ago
LOL!!! "Original Latin"!!!!! This is like watching two idiots arguing!
Free Hint: Long before Trent (where the Church allowed Her enemies to define Her) there was the "original" Divine Liturgy.
But this is all a moot point. Once the ending of the Mass was changed from, "The Mass has ended. Go in peace to love and serve the Lord" to "The Mass has ended" the Church has been on a downward spiral.
LibertatisExTyrannis 3 months ago
"Shut up and listen ... moron" LOL :)
IrishNProud93 3 months ago
LOL. cute.
TheCatholicFaithfu 3 months ago
Love this! Looking forward to the more accurate translations. The problem was not with Vatican II but the misimplemintation of it. Great video!! Holy Spirit bring the Catholic Church a new Pentecost!
TreeOfLifeSword 3 months ago
Agreed...this is an oversimplification of the arguments against the translation and misses the point to bring a clever media approach to bring clarity. Shame. Because it is a very good idea...just poorly implemented
KirstiJane 3 months ago
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The ritual editions that are to be implemented on Nov. 27th are very similar to the rites of the Black Mass from only 100 years ago. By deleting the name of the Holy Ghost and replacing it with 'spirit', what the Masonic pagans worship, this destroys any remnant of validity. This is an attempt by the Jewish-Masonic leadership of these liturgical changes to have 1 billion 'Catholics' chant along with a Transcendental Black Mass, fulfilling Apoc. 22:17. Run.
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fatimamovement 3 months ago
Well, here we go! Another argument over the Catholic Mass!
pookerville 3 months ago
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If you are interested in a contemporary music setting for the Revised Mass, check out: "New Catholic Mass Music" and "New Catholic Mass Music Gloria."
hughbe40 3 months ago
let's just go back to the Latin mass........
kiddtut 4 months ago 12
@kiddtut Latin mass? Who wants to go see such a new innovation? I demand the Greek mass like it was in the very beginning!
TheEuropeanWarrior 3 months ago
@TheEuropeanWarrior Maybe you should respond to what is meant rather than what is said. If you are willfully flippant and looking only to score points, you sin. (If not, then not.)
benabaxter 3 months ago
Just go back to the way our forefathers worshipped. The Tridentine Mass. Problem solved.
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Did it occur to you that "et cum spiritu tuo" is the original of the Mass you are now celebrating? Or is it your contention that only the Mass celebrated in the current translation in the English language is the only one that does not insult the Holy Spirit? Your problem is not with the new translation, but with the Novus Ordo as promulgated by Pope Paul VI, which says "et cum spiritu tuo."
balt221 9 months ago 3
I shall never declare more than one spirit, by giving a response 'And with your spirit'. Never shall I. It would hurt Jesus. One body, one Spirit in Him. Amen
BritishSnail 9 months ago
@BritishSnail Your body is just flesh. How do you think the Church declares someone a saint when their body is buried in the ground? What would then be in heaven? Their ascended stomach? lol. It's their unique God-created spirit. We all have both a spirit and a body. This is how we were created in God's image. It's what separates us from the apes.
BrigidGa5 2 months ago
@BrigidGa5 I find you to be presumptive, aggressive and unhelpful. Thankfully my faith is strong, but you could upset and negatively affect others, or those new to faith, so be careful please. God has helped me with this matter a long time ago and I shan't bore you with those details.
BritishSnail 2 months ago
@BrigidGa5 You totally misunderstood the depth and sincerity of the problem I 'was' having, which is a failing on your part and on the part of your arrogance. This is not good 'for Jesus'.
BritishSnail 2 months ago
Total misrepresentation of the criticisms against the new translation. The statements from "Larry King" are ridiculous and do not represent the thoughts of moderate Catholics in America. They are merely strawmen set up so that "Sarah Palin" can cut them down. Totally bogus.
rkillorengmailcom 9 months ago
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@rkillorengmailcom What are the thoughts of 'moderate' Catholics in America in regard to this?
IanSamuel88 5 months ago
Great video, I'm looking forward to the new translation and the birth of what Vatican really intended in regards to the ordinary form of the Roman Rite!
mattporcelli 10 months ago
that said... the video was really funny
jpower002 1 year ago
As a very conservative Catholic of the diocese of Erie, I would like to defend my bishop. Just as Larry King misrepresented the Second Vatican Council, so he misrepresented my bishop. Bishop Trautman is a very pious and loving bishop who, though he was opposed to the translation, is not opposed to the hierarchy of the Church. Once the new translation was approved, he put aside his original misgivings and dedicated himself to supporting the decision of his brother bishops and the Holy father
jpower002 1 year ago
@jpower002 Why would he be opposed to the new translation if he is very pius and loving?
maple1212 11 months ago