REALLY!!! Why are some of you people so concerned about other poeple who download pirated roms!!!
So what? Its their life!!!
I pirate many games. What are you gonna do about it? Most of the games I pirate I was never going to but anyway unless I see its a good game. Well that rule mostly applies to pokemon. I always buy my pokemon games!!! Not always the spin-offs but mainly the main games like ruby, black, red etc. :D
@caolanr8 I don't know about that!!! DS has been going on for a few years now and it doesn't seem nintendo is going out of business anytime soon :) Over Aamillion copies of pokemon black and white and white has been sold in the US despite all the piracy....
And how is nintendo losing money if the games they put out is still there.
I'd like to point out to everyone, that this is not a Rip. He is merely showing how to play GameBoy Advance Games with the R4 in the Slot-1 Area. Possessing an R4 is not illegal and R4DS is incapable of playing GBA Roms.
@Krakolio That statement was incorrect... R4 cards are illegal to buy and sell in the United Kindom and a couple of other countries. However it is not illegal to possess one so your statement is flawed. :)
@LeafRaider If someone possess one they are in trouble if they are caught, because to have one would mean somebody would've had to buy one. Also, the R4 or any such device is illegal, since copyright lasts for I think 75 years for video games so playing pirated games is illegal, and software not licensed by Nintendo is illegal to play on a DS. Copyright laws are to be followed by everyone around the world. Your accusation was flawed. Go be a smart ass somewhere else.
@Krakolio Since the R4 as a unit is not illegal to possess copyright is not relevent here. Besides, many homebrew developers such as myself use it to test homebrew software. Also, you can obtain the ROM from the game yourself and it is fully legal to do so without intent to share the files or copy them. So get your facts straight before you go acting like a dipshit. Also, it is not illegal to run software not licenced by nintendo so get your facts straight before acting like a dipshit.
@LeafRaider To have a single ROM on your computer is illegal, especially if you share it with others, even if you bought the game yourself. Copyright is relevant here, it's one of the main reasons Nintendo has banned the R4. Just that fact that you're able to play pirated games on, say, computer emulator, or the R4, is illegal. Why do you think products have to be licensed by Nintendo? If it isn't licensed, it is illegal. R4 sellers are targeted because individuals are difficult to find.
@DevilSpree Actually, you CAN go online with pirated games, on both the PS3 and the 360. Lord knows when the two companies will figure out how to ban the latest developments, but for the meantime, you're wrong. 360 has always been able to, and the Jailbreak community have found out how to spoof the PS3's firmware and pass it off as a debug unit.
Heh, "you're wrong"; that stopped being a surprise 20 replies ago.
@DevilSpree Actually, YOU fail. Not a single legal system in the world recognises piracy as theft; it's copyright infringement, and very rarely ends in a criminal court. There's a marked difference.
Please stop saying "fail" at the end of every post, because the irony is almost unbearable.
you dudes suck. who gives a fuck about possessing roms? i don't, and i'm not gonna waste my money on something if i can get it for free. the seame for pc games. why buying them if you can download them. unless you wanna play online
@DarkSonicProductions Your =/= You're. Oh, and buying a subscription to download roms is even more illegal. And if it's not illegal, why can't you buy it on eBay/Amazon?
@DarkSonicProductions What's a a__? And no, you don't. Searching "R4 DS" on eBay yields nothing... hmm... And yes, it is illegal. Anything that allows piracy is illegal.
@DevilSpree You moron it does come up on ebay. IN FACT Nintendo came out with a Licensed product that was nothing more than a better copy of the R4. You buy a sub to the nintendo website and download the games to your micro SD. |DONT REPLY Im sick of your sucking.
@DarkSonicProductions "I was proven wrong GTFO don't reply". What is this "licensed product" that was a copy of the R4? And no, it isn't on ebay. Because searching "R4 DS" yields nothing.
@DSFanboy360 No, idiocy allows piracy you fucking moron. Windows allows piracy in the way a Q-tip allows you to commit murder. It takes an idiot to pirate, but a bigger idiot to try to defend it.
@DevilSpree You kind of proved his point. Windows allows piracy in the same way a Q-tip allows murder and in the same way an R4 allows for piracy to occur. All three can be used to commit an unlawful act, but in themselves they're harmless.
@SkullXII The R4 has no purpose other than to pirate considering you can do anything it can (butcher sound quality and stuff) on your computer, which you have to own to order an R4.
And no, you get instantly banned on XBL if you have a modded 360, same for PS3, and both companies can and HAVE reserved the right to brick a modded console.
@DevilSpree Backup up is NOT piracy, especially not under European copyright law. And actually, neither Sony nor Microsoft are known to have banned anyone using the current firmware hacks, though it'll probably be soon.
Again, no. They have the right to refuse you a service, which in this case would be online gameplay, but they do NOT have the right to deliberately damage anybody's property. That's bullshit on a whole new level, so I'd like to see your source for that information.
@DevilSpree That's a very flawed comparison. That's like saying that a chair isn't good for anything other than hitting people with, since it's just as possible to sit on a carpet floor.
@newwatch51 R4's are innately illegal though. It's very easy for the makers to just make it only play music, pictures, etc. Why make it play ROMs, which is illegal?
@DevilSpree They DON'T make it play ROMs, though. It's a bootable flash cartridge, and that's it; it's the firmware you load onto the R4 which enables you to pirate games.
Here in the UK, the reason it was banned was because the core firmware of the cartridge (the one that you can't change, and is hard wired onto the board) deliberately circumvents some pretty comprehensive secuirity measures. Despite what some media reports say, piracy isn't the argument that held up in court.
@DevilSpree Again with definitions. Backups do not equal piracy. Circumventing the complicated copyright protection using COPYRIGHTED CODE from existing cartridges is what got the R4 banned. Unlocking a device to run unsigned code isn't an act of piracy as long as no copyrighted code is distributed in the process. In fact, this exact case was recently made in the high courts in the US, and they went in favour of consumers unlocking their iPhones. Not a SINGLE piece of legislation prohibits this.
@DevilSpree Did it by any chance occur to you that some people use it to back up their NDS games, or so they don't have to carry around their games if they want to switch between them?
@DevilSpree Did you... by any chance READ the comment I posted? BACKING UP YOUR OWN GAMES IS NOT ILLEGAL. Someone (in this case you) needs to learn to think.
@DevilSpree Actually, in the EU it's legal to make a single backup of any forms of software or media you've purchased. If you destroy that backup, then you are of course permitted to create a replacement. If you feel like shifting that ROM file over to your R4, then so be it. (though they ARE illegal here for OTHER reasons)
@DevilSpree Erm, did you not read my comment? In the EU, there is legislation EXPLICITLY making exemptions in copyright law for backups in cases where people have already purchased said license to play the game. End user license agreements NEVER take precedence over law in any democratic society. Never.
I'm already well versed in the legal mechanics behind DRM and digital copyright law, thanks.
@DevilSpree As far as nintendo goes, they allow these 2 things, ask them if you don't believe me:
1. possesions of roms of games you own
2. Backing up your own games.
I've been to nintendo events before, and asked them myself if it was ok. they had NO problem with it whatsoever. I admit, maybe with other companies it's illegal, but no with nintendo.
@DevilSpree 1, are you saying it's easier to track me, rather than do something right when I show them the card? and 2, if they can track me, and if they do care, why haven't They done it yet?
@DevilSpree only because you consistently say they can easily track me, without answering my question. And, as you fail to notice, backing up my own property, games I paid for, isn't piracy.
@meeperpieman You don't own right to back up the games, though. It's not YOUR game to back up. It's theft - plain and simple, sugarcoat it to look stupid.
@DevilSpree Nobody got sued for using it, Sony threatened to sue some people who were writing comprehensive "how to" guides on the internet designed to circumvent their secuirity, but (surprise surprise) fuck all HAPPENED.
Stick to reputable news sources and avoid forum geek sensationalism please.
@DevilSpree Breaking the law is always an act of crime, I know that, Captain Common Sense. What I said was that it rarely ends up going to criminal court. Huge difference.
The FBI catches people? Hah! That isn't at all what happens; individuals and companies with their own interests just join a few public trackers, dump IPs and pass them on to law enforcement, who send cease and desist letters.
You can't be criminalised for copyright theft unless someone PRESSES CHARGES.
@DevilSpree Two things; first of all, what's your point? I don't see how that disproves what I said about copyright infringement rarely ending up in criminal court. Of course it does from time to time, but by and large, it doesn't happen, and is a far lesser crime when compared to actual theft.
But secondly, and more importantly, that's bullshit. Again. They weren't sued for pirating the game, they were sued for UPLOADING the game for others to pirate.
@DevilSpree "b'awww Q_Q more I need 9 comments to say the same thing 999 times over."
Given how I've been able to negate almost every comment you've made on this video, only to have you respond to each one with more bullshit and misconstrued information, I think I could actually read another 999 of your comments and feel mildly amused. It's pretty entertaining to watch someone pretend they know things they're clueless about while they trip up.
@DevilSpree Also, most of that figure goes towards paying the legal expenses for both sides of the suit, not towards covering the actual damage done. It's pretty easy to exploit that system, and companies often manage to squeeze extortionate amounts of money out of people by simply inflating their costs.
@DevilSpree I wasn't actually going to post, but I took a quick peek at your account and you've uploaded videos of yourself playing MegaMan on emulators. So... not only is most of what you say factually wrong, you're also a confused hypocrite who likes to attack pirates while speed running his way through emulated SNES games.
@SkullXII Capture cards. Learn 'em, live 'em, love 'em. I don't use emulators. I play on the original console most of the time, though it's usually funner to play the PS2 remakes with the way better controls.
Ignoring the other comments, as reading War and Peace is likely funner and shorter.
@SkullXII No, it's more like I don't have time to read 999 comments of you repeating yourself over and over again like a damn broken record.
@newwatch51: It isn't. The tools used to back up those ROMs are illegal. This is like saying emulators are legal... which they are, but what purpose to do they have if they aren't doing an illegal act like playing ROMs?
@DevilSpree Eh? I didn't repeat myself anywhere; each post was a correction in itself.
As for the other bit, you've gone and contradicted yourself yet again. If R4s are illegal because the only use you can identify for them is piracy, then how can you say that emulators are technically legal when they fall under pretty much the same umbrella?
(Btw, if you want a legitimate purpose, try hobbyist game development.)
@SkullXII The R4 isn't legal at all. Emulation is a gray area, I believe it to be illegal, but the fact being emulators are legal... for whatever reason.
R4s on the other hand aren't legal. Explain why they're banned from being sold in A LOT of online stores and in certain countries even?
@DevilSpree R4s and flash carts similar to it are illegal because they aren't simple memory storage units like they appear to be. Like a lot of mod chips, the R4 features copyrighted and encrypted code manufacturers have extracted from legitimate carts to bypass the copyright protection on the NDS, so distributing an R4 is in ITSELF an act of piracy.
This is why Sony never bothered going after CFW developers on the PSP, but they did for PS3 JB because it uses a pirated SDK for the apps.
@SkullXII R4s and similar useless devices are illegal due to piracy. Glad you admitted it.
Sony didn't bother trying to stop CFW for the PSP because it spread like wildfire too fast. PS Jailbreak is proving easier to stop, even moreso with suing people.
@DevilSpree I've been trying to say since the beginning that it isn't the concept of the R4 that's illegal, though, just the R4 specifically. It works *because* of piracy, which is the problem, not because it enables piracy, which is what you were implying.
@DevilSpree Here we go again... I'm not going to speak for the US, I never have, but it is FACT that backup up software and media in the EU is perfectly legal. There is legislation that specifically says as much. If a workaround for the NDS copy protection was found that didn't involve embedded the carts with copyrighted code, it'd be perfectly legal under European law, since backups don't equal pirate copies. I can't make that any simpler for you.
@DevilSpree Did you even READ what I wrote? It's like talking to a brick wall. There is LEGISLATION which EXPLICITLY STATES that having BACKUPS is LEGAL in the EU.
@DevilSpree Yes, there is. And it's not just limited to the EU:
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 [17 USC 106], it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program"
- Straight from copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#117
Pure, unchanged and indisputable evidence that I'm right, but my gut tells me you'll carry on talking shit anyway.
@DevilSpree In a legal context, a computer program is regarded as a set of instructions which work together to produce a desired outcome, which is exactly what a game is. In a legal context, a computer is something that can compute data.
That's an official government run site, and its laws adhere to the Berne convention which makes similar declarations.
Finally, too stupid to see what? There was nothing wrong with my sentence. Legislation is both singular AND plural, moron.
@SkullXII "there is legislation" wouldn't be proper grammar at all.
That site is official? Typical with how stupid it is considering it says song covering is infringement and such...
And don't use "legal" terms considering the government makes up retarded terms like legally blind which doesn't mean blindness at all - it just means they don't trust you with certain activities...
@DevilSpree Actually, it's a completely legitimate use. Tell me why you think it isn't and I'll be willing to listen, but I've yet to see you back ANYTHING up with evidence.
Like the one right there about blind people. I don't care how retarded you think it is, it IS the law, and since our little argument is OVER the law, then I'm not sure how you can dismiss evidence just because you don't like it.
Also, legal blindness implies a presence of sensory data, but no USEFUL levels of vision.
ITT: the law is always right it's never bent it always makes sense it has nothing retarded in it murderers deserve to live tobacco/alcohol should be legal over marijuana etc. yep, completely infalliable.
No, legal blindness just means you aren't trusted for certain activities. People with 1/400 vision have been labeled legally blind even though glasses/etc can help at that point.
@DevilSpree I never claimed the law was infalliable, so please don't put words into my mouth and change the topic to something else entirely, because I'm not going to argue that a lot of the laws we have aren't stupid, because they ARE.
The point is, you called backups ILLEGAL, which imples that they're prohibited by law, when I've just proven that they're not. If you want to have an ethical debate, then that's something else entirely, but also completely irrelevant to our little argument.
@DevilSpree Erm... if backups themselves are legal, then it follows that the process of creating your own backup is also completely legal.
As for your second point, you're confusing ethics with law once again, because the law specifically STATES that you can make backups. Whether or not you think we *should* have the right, well, that's another topic for another time, but quit trying to change the subject after being proven wrong. It's childish.
@DevilSpree Once again, you're wrong, because in case you hadn't been following this conversation I wasn't REFERRING to the R4 per se. If you need illegal tools to make backups of any kind, well, I suppose we better start confiscating all DVD drives.
And for fucks sake, I'm not defending piracy, you absolute moron. That's what my whole fucking point has been about; that backups don't equal piracy. Somehow your peanut-brained skull can't seem to wrap itself around such a simple concept.
@SkullXII Why DVD drives? Trying to look like a bigger idiot? More like we should outlaw DVD ripping programs.
You ARE defending piracy considering that's ALL YOU'D EVER USE A R4 FOR. THE WHOLE "BACKUP" THING IS A SCAPEGOAT YOU USE ONLINE IN CASE FBI AGENTS ARE WATCHING
@DevilSpree Your stupidity just transcended anything I could've expeted from the likes of Palin or Coulter. Honestly I'm going to stop wasting my time here, because you're obviously having issues processing the simplest of thoughts, no matter how many different ways I articulate them to you.
@SkullXII No, it's more you constantly jump between stories and various ends of the extremes. And who's Coulter? I have a life so I don't look up random Christian fucks.
@DevilSpree i have many games on mine that i have a copy of there are many reasons i perfer the r4 one i do nto need to carry my games just the ds two i can play nes sega snes ect games 3 i have a nice kjv bible on it the list goes on and on but there are reason outside of piracy cheat hacks
@tupactip So... you admit to piracy, say you ruined it by putting Christian garbage on it, then say it has reasons outside of piracy (which is what you use it for) and cheats/hacks (which the AR is used for too)?
@DevilSpree nope, just google the word software piracy the 1st link i nocited that defined it clearly states it is not. If backups of things are piracy all mp3s are ilegael which means all mp3 players are not legal.
@tupactip You didn't back it up yourself, you downloaded it. Hurr... legal where? What's ilegael anyway? Software backup =/= VIDEO GAME BACKUP =/= Music backup. The first you have a reason to backup, the second you've NO reason, the third... yes, you do.
@DevilSpree i have about 100 nintendo games i do nto want to play on the nes and i can not travel with it the nes system fail to load often and save files are lost i do not have to carry so change ds games over and over there are many reason to backup games then you have the tranlated games that never made it here to the usa i am playing dragon quest 5 on the pc emulator of ps2 that is fan translated the maker stated that it was a grea tthing that fans was tranlating it in order to enjoy the it
@DevilSpree In the US, it is legal to backup your own games as ROMs. It is not legal to download them, but it is legal to have them if you 1)have the game and 2)made the ROM yourself.
@DevilSpree If Sony was to sue anybody, it'd be the PS Jailbreak team, who are the ones spearheading the whole movement... but hey, guess what? They're still active and producing products and releasing updates. That couldn't be the case had they been sued. Maybe a lawsuit's pending, but nothing has happened yet, so again, I'm calling BS on your baseless stories.
And "no-lifer"? Is that your comeback to being called out for making shit up? Nice going there, buddy.
@DevilSpree I take my DS with me almost everywhere I go. To college, to work, to my friend's house... it's almost always with me, and I love being able to carry all of my games with me. I can't imagine having to carry around fifty fucking game boxes everywhere I go, which is one of the reasons I love the PSP Go. It's actually a shame it never really took off.
WHY, would you launch your GBA games with R4? You've got the original, you start up R4, and then you play your GBA game with some kind of stoopid edge arround it.
@TheGospelbug It's a slot issue. No one has been able to access the DS's GBA capabilities through slot 1. If you want to run GBA ROMS, you need a slot 2 flash cart.
I have a R4SDHCIII and it doesn't have that option. why?!
nizidafabie 1 week ago
can u put cheats on the gba game?
MegaBelkin54G 1 month ago
HA! That isn't even a real R4DS card! You got ripped off.
Onlynoises 1 month ago
Fail, thats not a GBA loader, it says "Boot Slot 2" that's just the cartridge that you put in the slot 2 of your DS XD
YouPlayG 2 months ago
whn i press it says , no boot slot 2 inserted or something like that
iFreak92 3 months ago
It's not working on my r4 card
carltonpaul1999 3 months ago
;O
brandonnmedina 5 months ago
you have n5?
Black6920 5 months ago
i dont have a boot slot 2 help?
spongbobmusicvids 7 months ago
@spongbobmusicvids well ur fucked then arent u
BenRox2474life 5 months ago
when you save a game dose it sAVE?????
fredfed5 8 months ago
@fredfed5
the 3 letter answer
Superfunkyx 5 months ago
where do u get the original skin?
JelJam16 9 months ago
all you did was boot slot 2 -_-
lalave2006 11 months ago
And anyway this was a horrible video!!!!
NICE SLOT-2 FAKE!!!!!
VideoGameResearcher 11 months ago
@VideoGameResearcher Dude, you realize this is for the NintendoDS (lite), and not for the DSi which has NO GBA slot.
jerrythedutchmapler 8 months ago
REALLY!!! Why are some of you people so concerned about other poeple who download pirated roms!!!
So what? Its their life!!!
I pirate many games. What are you gonna do about it? Most of the games I pirate I was never going to but anyway unless I see its a good game. Well that rule mostly applies to pokemon. I always buy my pokemon games!!! Not always the spin-offs but mainly the main games like ruby, black, red etc. :D
VideoGameResearcher 11 months ago 2
wich there was a emulator for dsi
Mrnasseonkel 1 year ago
wow the much people who download ds games free nintendo is loseing lots of money and will go out of business :( r.i.p. nintendo its been fun
caolanr8 1 year ago
@caolanr8 I don't know about that!!! DS has been going on for a few years now and it doesn't seem nintendo is going out of business anytime soon :) Over Aamillion copies of pokemon black and white and white has been sold in the US despite all the piracy....
And how is nintendo losing money if the games they put out is still there.
VideoGameResearcher 11 months ago
what version is that
groundon1234 1 year ago
I admit to piracy. Watcha gonna do about it ;3 I have A TON of games and movies ive downloaded. Lolz.
rojo1312 1 year ago 35
@rojo1312 DAAAAAMN right!
firetemptations 1 month ago
I'd like to point out to everyone, that this is not a Rip. He is merely showing how to play GameBoy Advance Games with the R4 in the Slot-1 Area. Possessing an R4 is not illegal and R4DS is incapable of playing GBA Roms.
lastlordofthe7towers 1 year ago 14
@lastlordofthe7towers R4s are illegal and it is capable of playing GBA roms.
Krakolio 1 year ago
@Krakolio That statement was incorrect... R4 cards are illegal to buy and sell in the United Kindom and a couple of other countries. However it is not illegal to possess one so your statement is flawed. :)
LeafRaider 1 year ago
@LeafRaider If someone possess one they are in trouble if they are caught, because to have one would mean somebody would've had to buy one. Also, the R4 or any such device is illegal, since copyright lasts for I think 75 years for video games so playing pirated games is illegal, and software not licensed by Nintendo is illegal to play on a DS. Copyright laws are to be followed by everyone around the world. Your accusation was flawed. Go be a smart ass somewhere else.
Krakolio 1 year ago
@Krakolio Since the R4 as a unit is not illegal to possess copyright is not relevent here. Besides, many homebrew developers such as myself use it to test homebrew software. Also, you can obtain the ROM from the game yourself and it is fully legal to do so without intent to share the files or copy them. So get your facts straight before you go acting like a dipshit. Also, it is not illegal to run software not licenced by nintendo so get your facts straight before acting like a dipshit.
LeafRaider 1 year ago
@LeafRaider To have a single ROM on your computer is illegal, especially if you share it with others, even if you bought the game yourself. Copyright is relevant here, it's one of the main reasons Nintendo has banned the R4. Just that fact that you're able to play pirated games on, say, computer emulator, or the R4, is illegal. Why do you think products have to be licensed by Nintendo? If it isn't licensed, it is illegal. R4 sellers are targeted because individuals are difficult to find.
Krakolio 1 year ago
@LeafRaider Please don't take this badly, I use the R4 and download unlicensed software for it myself. It's great. No hard feelings, kay?
Krakolio 1 year ago
@lastlordofthe7towers actuall you can get the 3 in 1 ez flash and use it with the r4
got mine to work today :p
just fyi, not trying to be a jerk
kerboy90006 10 months ago
@lastlordofthe7towers here in uk it is illegal to own 1
lordspectre 1 month ago
@lordspectre ya but the cops arent going to arrest you for having an r4ds
kevinyoyo2 1 month ago
@lastlordofthe7towers In the UK r3ds's are illegal!
wolfmankurd 2 weeks ago
wow the maker of this video is soooo cool. Not
pwnwner 1 year ago
@DragonGuard1989 My age? Oh yes, because what I lie about on YouTube matters...
I don't play FPSes. They're all the same. But I did buy that one, can I play it online with you? Oh wait, you pirates can't play online. HAHA.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Actually, you CAN go online with pirated games, on both the PS3 and the 360. Lord knows when the two companies will figure out how to ban the latest developments, but for the meantime, you're wrong. 360 has always been able to, and the Jailbreak community have found out how to spoof the PS3's firmware and pass it off as a debug unit.
Heh, "you're wrong"; that stopped being a surprise 20 replies ago.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DragonGuard1989 Theft = Taking something that isn't yours without either the owner's permission, or people who are allowed to distribute it (stores)
Copyright infringement = Using something copyrighted for a profitable use.
Fire sharing = Illegally stealing a file, usually music, and passing it around
Piracy = Illegally downloading a game that usually requires you to pay for it except you download it for free.
How old are you, because 5 year olds are smarter.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DragonGuard1989 Piracy is theft, as you are stealing. Fail harder, pal.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Actually, YOU fail. Not a single legal system in the world recognises piracy as theft; it's copyright infringement, and very rarely ends in a criminal court. There's a marked difference.
Please stop saying "fail" at the end of every post, because the irony is almost unbearable.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DaftPunkeisteam Whats Propiety? Piracy isn't legal, pal. Piracy = theft.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DaftPunkeisteam The games aren't yours to be backing up or downloading so yes, it is illegal.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
why is everyone so mad?
PandaXII 1 year ago
Oh man this the Fuckest studness i ever saw
KarlosStudios 1 year ago
you dudes suck. who gives a fuck about possessing roms? i don't, and i'm not gonna waste my money on something if i can get it for free. the seame for pc games. why buying them if you can download them. unless you wanna play online
nodataful 1 year ago
yeah? and?
SkywardSword2011 1 year ago
bad
jedvalencia 1 year ago
almost everyone knows this
ocampor0011 1 year ago
Lol. R4. Have fun with your illegal tools you need to buy, fat american pirates.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree R4 is not illegal you moron. You use an online subscription on a DSrom site to get games. Your an idiot for just posting thie comment.
DarkSonicProductions 1 year ago
@DarkSonicProductions Your =/= You're. Oh, and buying a subscription to download roms is even more illegal. And if it's not illegal, why can't you buy it on eBay/Amazon?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree You moron you do buy it on ebay. Check before talking you a__
DarkSonicProductions 1 year ago
@DarkSonicProductions What's a a__? And no, you don't. Searching "R4 DS" on eBay yields nothing... hmm... And yes, it is illegal. Anything that allows piracy is illegal.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree You moron it does come up on ebay. IN FACT Nintendo came out with a Licensed product that was nothing more than a better copy of the R4. You buy a sub to the nintendo website and download the games to your micro SD. |DONT REPLY Im sick of your sucking.
DarkSonicProductions 1 year ago
@DarkSonicProductions "I was proven wrong GTFO don't reply". What is this "licensed product" that was a copy of the R4? And no, it isn't on ebay. Because searching "R4 DS" yields nothing.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
type r4i on the ebay search bar and the first one you see should be an R4. it ends in two day though.
DarkSonicProductions 1 year ago
@DarkSonicProductions It'll be down sooner because it isn't ALLOWED on eBay.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree stop replying. i dont even own an r4. im just standing up for him.
DarkSonicProductions 1 year ago
@DarkSonicProductions standing up for who?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree The guy who made the vid. Sorry ive been a jerk anyweh.
DarkSonicProductions 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Then I guess Windows is illegal, as it allows piracy. Dumbass.
DSFanboy360 1 year ago
@DSFanboy360 No, idiocy allows piracy you fucking moron. Windows allows piracy in the way a Q-tip allows you to commit murder. It takes an idiot to pirate, but a bigger idiot to try to defend it.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree I'm not the moron here, shit-for-brains.
DSFanboy360 1 year ago
@DSFanboy360 Man, you are like... wow. So freaking smart huh? Shit-for-brains? That's your comeback? well you're done with the argument obviously.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree You kind of proved his point. Windows allows piracy in the same way a Q-tip allows murder and in the same way an R4 allows for piracy to occur. All three can be used to commit an unlawful act, but in themselves they're harmless.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII The R4 has no purpose other than to pirate considering you can do anything it can (butcher sound quality and stuff) on your computer, which you have to own to order an R4.
And no, you get instantly banned on XBL if you have a modded 360, same for PS3, and both companies can and HAVE reserved the right to brick a modded console.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Backup up is NOT piracy, especially not under European copyright law. And actually, neither Sony nor Microsoft are known to have banned anyone using the current firmware hacks, though it'll probably be soon.
Again, no. They have the right to refuse you a service, which in this case would be online gameplay, but they do NOT have the right to deliberately damage anybody's property. That's bullshit on a whole new level, so I'd like to see your source for that information.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree That's a very flawed comparison. That's like saying that a chair isn't good for anything other than hitting people with, since it's just as possible to sit on a carpet floor.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DarkSonicProductions Just because you're paying for it doesn't mean it's legal
newwatch51 1 year ago
@DevilSpree The R4 itself isn't illegal. It's often used to play illegal ROMs, but it can also be used to play homebrew ROMs and listen to music.
newwatch51 1 year ago
@newwatch51 the music is likely pirated anyway. Anything to allow piracy is against the law, it's common fact.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Any MP3 player can play pirated music. Does that mean that all MP3 players are illegal? No, it doesn't.
newwatch51 1 year ago
@newwatch51 R4's are innately illegal though. It's very easy for the makers to just make it only play music, pictures, etc. Why make it play ROMs, which is illegal?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree They DON'T make it play ROMs, though. It's a bootable flash cartridge, and that's it; it's the firmware you load onto the R4 which enables you to pirate games.
Here in the UK, the reason it was banned was because the core firmware of the cartridge (the one that you can't change, and is hard wired onto the board) deliberately circumvents some pretty comprehensive secuirity measures. Despite what some media reports say, piracy isn't the argument that held up in court.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Anything that's specifically ALLOWING you to pirate (i.e., CFW for PSPs, etc) is illegal. Sorry.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Again with definitions. Backups do not equal piracy. Circumventing the complicated copyright protection using COPYRIGHTED CODE from existing cartridges is what got the R4 banned. Unlocking a device to run unsigned code isn't an act of piracy as long as no copyrighted code is distributed in the process. In fact, this exact case was recently made in the high courts in the US, and they went in favour of consumers unlocking their iPhones. Not a SINGLE piece of legislation prohibits this.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Did it by any chance occur to you that some people use it to back up their NDS games, or so they don't have to carry around their games if they want to switch between them?
meeperpieman 1 year ago
@meeperpieman "B'awww we're lazy fucks let's buy something that's illegal"
The sole PURPOSE of the R4 is for pirating. You fucks probably defend PS Jailbreak too.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Did you... by any chance READ the comment I posted? BACKING UP YOUR OWN GAMES IS NOT ILLEGAL. Someone (in this case you) needs to learn to think.
meeperpieman 1 year ago
@meeperpieman Possession of ROM files is illegal. Fail harder.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Actually, in the EU it's legal to make a single backup of any forms of software or media you've purchased. If you destroy that backup, then you are of course permitted to create a replacement. If you feel like shifting that ROM file over to your R4, then so be it. (though they ARE illegal here for OTHER reasons)
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Still illegal. You buy essentially a license to play the game, not to do as you please with it.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Erm, did you not read my comment? In the EU, there is legislation EXPLICITLY making exemptions in copyright law for backups in cases where people have already purchased said license to play the game. End user license agreements NEVER take precedence over law in any democratic society. Never.
I'm already well versed in the legal mechanics behind DRM and digital copyright law, thanks.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@meeperpieman Oh, and another thing: You actually don't have right to back up the games.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree As far as nintendo goes, they allow these 2 things, ask them if you don't believe me:
1. possesions of roms of games you own
2. Backing up your own games.
I've been to nintendo events before, and asked them myself if it was ok. they had NO problem with it whatsoever. I admit, maybe with other companies it's illegal, but no with nintendo.
meeperpieman 1 year ago
@meeperpieman Fucking bullshit. Nintendo regularly blocks out these illegal cards with DS firmware updates.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree well, clearly they didn't care about mine.
meeperpieman 1 year ago
@meeperpieman yes because they can trace all you american pirating assho(l)es.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree 1, are you saying it's easier to track me, rather than do something right when I show them the card? and 2, if they can track me, and if they do care, why haven't They done it yet?
meeperpieman 1 year ago
@meeperpieman It's very easy to track you, look at the people who are getting sued for using that PS Jailbreak shit.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree If it's so easy to track me, my question is why in the hell haven't they done it yet?
meeperpieman 1 year ago
@meeperpieman Have you not just said this the last like 55 comments you American pirate?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree only because you consistently say they can easily track me, without answering my question. And, as you fail to notice, backing up my own property, games I paid for, isn't piracy.
meeperpieman 1 year ago
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@meeperpieman @DevilSpree
will both of you children GROW UP
babygirl18canada 1 year ago
@meeperpieman You don't own right to back up the games, though. It's not YOUR game to back up. It's theft - plain and simple, sugarcoat it to look stupid.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Nobody got sued for using it, Sony threatened to sue some people who were writing comprehensive "how to" guides on the internet designed to circumvent their secuirity, but (surprise surprise) fuck all HAPPENED.
Stick to reputable news sources and avoid forum geek sensationalism please.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII They did sue people, where do you get your info, no-lifer? This many comments? LOL
Piracy is theft and it is indeed recognized as a crime. People get caught by the FBI all the time.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Breaking the law is always an act of crime, I know that, Captain Common Sense. What I said was that it rarely ends up going to criminal court. Huge difference.
The FBI catches people? Hah! That isn't at all what happens; individuals and companies with their own interests just join a few public trackers, dump IPs and pass them on to law enforcement, who send cease and desist letters.
You can't be criminalised for copyright theft unless someone PRESSES CHARGES.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII People were sued for over 2.3 million dollars for pirating Super Mario Galaxy 2, which I highly approve of.
"active and producing products and releasing updates. "
Sony's been slowly blocking it out.
"And "no-lifer"? Is that your comeback to being called out for making shit up? Nice going there, buddy"
b'awww Q_Q more I need 9 comments to say the same thing 999 times over.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Two things; first of all, what's your point? I don't see how that disproves what I said about copyright infringement rarely ending up in criminal court. Of course it does from time to time, but by and large, it doesn't happen, and is a far lesser crime when compared to actual theft.
But secondly, and more importantly, that's bullshit. Again. They weren't sued for pirating the game, they were sued for UPLOADING the game for others to pirate.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree "b'awww Q_Q more I need 9 comments to say the same thing 999 times over."
Given how I've been able to negate almost every comment you've made on this video, only to have you respond to each one with more bullshit and misconstrued information, I think I could actually read another 999 of your comments and feel mildly amused. It's pretty entertaining to watch someone pretend they know things they're clueless about while they trip up.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Also, most of that figure goes towards paying the legal expenses for both sides of the suit, not towards covering the actual damage done. It's pretty easy to exploit that system, and companies often manage to squeeze extortionate amounts of money out of people by simply inflating their costs.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree I wasn't actually going to post, but I took a quick peek at your account and you've uploaded videos of yourself playing MegaMan on emulators. So... not only is most of what you say factually wrong, you're also a confused hypocrite who likes to attack pirates while speed running his way through emulated SNES games.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Capture cards. Learn 'em, live 'em, love 'em. I don't use emulators. I play on the original console most of the time, though it's usually funner to play the PS2 remakes with the way better controls.
Ignoring the other comments, as reading War and Peace is likely funner and shorter.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree "Ignoring the other comments, as reading War and Peace is likely funner and shorter."
I suppose even you have a point where bullshitting just doesn't cut it anymore. Ciao.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII No, it's more like I don't have time to read 999 comments of you repeating yourself over and over again like a damn broken record.
@newwatch51: It isn't. The tools used to back up those ROMs are illegal. This is like saying emulators are legal... which they are, but what purpose to do they have if they aren't doing an illegal act like playing ROMs?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Eh? I didn't repeat myself anywhere; each post was a correction in itself.
As for the other bit, you've gone and contradicted yourself yet again. If R4s are illegal because the only use you can identify for them is piracy, then how can you say that emulators are technically legal when they fall under pretty much the same umbrella?
(Btw, if you want a legitimate purpose, try hobbyist game development.)
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII The R4 isn't legal at all. Emulation is a gray area, I believe it to be illegal, but the fact being emulators are legal... for whatever reason.
R4s on the other hand aren't legal. Explain why they're banned from being sold in A LOT of online stores and in certain countries even?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree R4s and flash carts similar to it are illegal because they aren't simple memory storage units like they appear to be. Like a lot of mod chips, the R4 features copyrighted and encrypted code manufacturers have extracted from legitimate carts to bypass the copyright protection on the NDS, so distributing an R4 is in ITSELF an act of piracy.
This is why Sony never bothered going after CFW developers on the PSP, but they did for PS3 JB because it uses a pirated SDK for the apps.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII R4s and similar useless devices are illegal due to piracy. Glad you admitted it.
Sony didn't bother trying to stop CFW for the PSP because it spread like wildfire too fast. PS Jailbreak is proving easier to stop, even moreso with suing people.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree I've been trying to say since the beginning that it isn't the concept of the R4 that's illegal, though, just the R4 specifically. It works *because* of piracy, which is the problem, not because it enables piracy, which is what you were implying.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Anything that enables piracy specifically is illegal. Sorry.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Here we go again... I'm not going to speak for the US, I never have, but it is FACT that backup up software and media in the EU is perfectly legal. There is legislation that specifically says as much. If a workaround for the NDS copy protection was found that didn't involve embedded the carts with copyrighted code, it'd be perfectly legal under European law, since backups don't equal pirate copies. I can't make that any simpler for you.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Backups are illegal considering you can never obtain them legally nor is it your property to back up
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Did you even READ what I wrote? It's like talking to a brick wall. There is LEGISLATION which EXPLICITLY STATES that having BACKUPS is LEGAL in the EU.
Did the caps help?
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII there is legislation? There is?
You is stupid, hambro.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Yes, there is. And it's not just limited to the EU:
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 [17 USC 106], it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program"
- Straight from copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#117
Pure, unchanged and indisputable evidence that I'm right, but my gut tells me you'll carry on talking shit anyway.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Computer program. DSes and other portables are NOT Computers, nor can they run computer programs.
That site is known for being erroneous regarding copyrights, anyway.
And I was making fun of your god-awful english in the last comment but you were too stupid to see.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree In a legal context, a computer program is regarded as a set of instructions which work together to produce a desired outcome, which is exactly what a game is. In a legal context, a computer is something that can compute data.
That's an official government run site, and its laws adhere to the Berne convention which makes similar declarations.
Finally, too stupid to see what? There was nothing wrong with my sentence. Legislation is both singular AND plural, moron.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII "there is legislation" wouldn't be proper grammar at all.
That site is official? Typical with how stupid it is considering it says song covering is infringement and such...
And don't use "legal" terms considering the government makes up retarded terms like legally blind which doesn't mean blindness at all - it just means they don't trust you with certain activities...
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Actually, it's a completely legitimate use. Tell me why you think it isn't and I'll be willing to listen, but I've yet to see you back ANYTHING up with evidence.
Like the one right there about blind people. I don't care how retarded you think it is, it IS the law, and since our little argument is OVER the law, then I'm not sure how you can dismiss evidence just because you don't like it.
Also, legal blindness implies a presence of sensory data, but no USEFUL levels of vision.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII
ITT: the law is always right it's never bent it always makes sense it has nothing retarded in it murderers deserve to live tobacco/alcohol should be legal over marijuana etc. yep, completely infalliable.
No, legal blindness just means you aren't trusted for certain activities. People with 1/400 vision have been labeled legally blind even though glasses/etc can help at that point.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree I never claimed the law was infalliable, so please don't put words into my mouth and change the topic to something else entirely, because I'm not going to argue that a lot of the laws we have aren't stupid, because they ARE.
The point is, you called backups ILLEGAL, which imples that they're prohibited by law, when I've just proven that they're not. If you want to have an ethical debate, then that's something else entirely, but also completely irrelevant to our little argument.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII the point being you can never legally obtain a backup, two, again, it's not yours to back up
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Erm... if backups themselves are legal, then it follows that the process of creating your own backup is also completely legal.
As for your second point, you're confusing ethics with law once again, because the law specifically STATES that you can make backups. Whether or not you think we *should* have the right, well, that's another topic for another time, but quit trying to change the subject after being proven wrong. It's childish.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII The PROCESS of making a backup isn't illegal. You need ILLEGAL tools to use a backup. Using common fucking sense, IT'S ILLEGAL.
You haven't proven ANYTHING wrong other than repeating yourself over and over getting a huge boner defending PIRACY of all things.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Once again, you're wrong, because in case you hadn't been following this conversation I wasn't REFERRING to the R4 per se. If you need illegal tools to make backups of any kind, well, I suppose we better start confiscating all DVD drives.
And for fucks sake, I'm not defending piracy, you absolute moron. That's what my whole fucking point has been about; that backups don't equal piracy. Somehow your peanut-brained skull can't seem to wrap itself around such a simple concept.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Why DVD drives? Trying to look like a bigger idiot? More like we should outlaw DVD ripping programs.
You ARE defending piracy considering that's ALL YOU'D EVER USE A R4 FOR. THE WHOLE "BACKUP" THING IS A SCAPEGOAT YOU USE ONLINE IN CASE FBI AGENTS ARE WATCHING
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Your stupidity just transcended anything I could've expeted from the likes of Palin or Coulter. Honestly I'm going to stop wasting my time here, because you're obviously having issues processing the simplest of thoughts, no matter how many different ways I articulate them to you.
Have a nice life. xx
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII No, it's more you constantly jump between stories and various ends of the extremes. And who's Coulter? I have a life so I don't look up random Christian fucks.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree You definitely should look her up if you're after a good laugh.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII No thanks, I'm sick of hearing about Sarah Failin and her stupid daughters. Also I thought you were done?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree So did I, but I never pass up an opportunity to tell someone about Ann Coulter. It's a gold mine of comedy that deserves to be shared.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree i have many games on mine that i have a copy of there are many reasons i perfer the r4 one i do nto need to carry my games just the ds two i can play nes sega snes ect games 3 i have a nice kjv bible on it the list goes on and on but there are reason outside of piracy cheat hacks
tupactip 1 year ago
@tupactip So... you admit to piracy, say you ruined it by putting Christian garbage on it, then say it has reasons outside of piracy (which is what you use it for) and cheats/hacks (which the AR is used for too)?
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree i never admited to piracy?!?
tupactip 1 year ago
@tupactip "i have many games on mine"
that's piracy right there, kid. doesn't matter if you own the games.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree nope, just google the word software piracy the 1st link i nocited that defined it clearly states it is not. If backups of things are piracy all mp3s are ilegael which means all mp3 players are not legal.
tupactip 1 year ago
@tupactip You didn't back it up yourself, you downloaded it. Hurr... legal where? What's ilegael anyway? Software backup =/= VIDEO GAME BACKUP =/= Music backup. The first you have a reason to backup, the second you've NO reason, the third... yes, you do.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree i have about 100 nintendo games i do nto want to play on the nes and i can not travel with it the nes system fail to load often and save files are lost i do not have to carry so change ds games over and over there are many reason to backup games then you have the tranlated games that never made it here to the usa i am playing dragon quest 5 on the pc emulator of ps2 that is fan translated the maker stated that it was a grea tthing that fans was tranlating it in order to enjoy the it
tupactip 1 year ago
@tupactip QQ moar retard. You pirated, end of fucking story.
DevilSpree 1 year ago
@DevilSpree In the US, it is legal to backup your own games as ROMs. It is not legal to download them, but it is legal to have them if you 1)have the game and 2)made the ROM yourself.
newwatch51 1 year ago
@DevilSpree If Sony was to sue anybody, it'd be the PS Jailbreak team, who are the ones spearheading the whole movement... but hey, guess what? They're still active and producing products and releasing updates. That couldn't be the case had they been sued. Maybe a lawsuit's pending, but nothing has happened yet, so again, I'm calling BS on your baseless stories.
And "no-lifer"? Is that your comeback to being called out for making shit up? Nice going there, buddy.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree Yes, you do.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@DevilSpree I take my DS with me almost everywhere I go. To college, to work, to my friend's house... it's almost always with me, and I love being able to carry all of my games with me. I can't imagine having to carry around fifty fucking game boxes everywhere I go, which is one of the reasons I love the PSP Go. It's actually a shame it never really took off.
SkullXII 1 year ago
yeah thanks man you really helped us all clear up how to read thanks
futokshock 1 year ago
u suck motherf*cking asshole
don't you think this vid is lame
000dominator 1 year ago 11
wow R4 sucks ass, you guys should get M3 ds real , its only like 28 bucks and you can download roms for ds and gba and u get your own pda and etc.
Nicjaymunoz 1 year ago
@Nicjaymunoz nah i think ill stick with the kick ass r4.
infernothehedgehog3 1 year ago
can an R4 ultra run this emulator? cause im buying one of those today.
superwario180 1 year ago
@superwario180
that's not even an emulator, it just launches your cartridge
Laubotje 1 year ago 2
@superwario180
I think that you should consider the dstwo supercard since it can play ds gba and soon snes roms.
DsHokage3D 1 year ago
WHY, would you launch your GBA games with R4? You've got the original, you start up R4, and then you play your GBA game with some kind of stoopid edge arround it.
slakje123 1 year ago
now how do you get the emulator to be able to do that?
hextern 1 year ago
@hextern that is not an emulator he use gba game cover in solt 2 with R4Ds
parkouryeahyeah 1 year ago
@parkouryeahyeah oh ok
hextern 1 year ago
@hextern hey sorry man
parkouryeahyeah 1 year ago
@parkouryeahyeah why r u sorry?
hextern 1 year ago
@8970sora8970 Yeah, but can you get an acekard or iplayer for $3? That's how much my R4 cost.
newwatch51 1 year ago
u suck
arnex02 1 year ago
is that a download or the game in you gba slot
rebecca4499 1 year ago
bad vid...thumps up if u agree
musadabom 1 year ago 16
1 of my firnds from school showed me this today on his r4, anyone selling an r4? i need one.
t377y000 1 year ago
Why is the r4 not capable of running gba games if it can run ds games.
TheGospelbug 1 year ago
@TheGospelbug It's a slot issue. No one has been able to access the DS's GBA capabilities through slot 1. If you want to run GBA ROMS, you need a slot 2 flash cart.
newwatch51 1 year ago
@newwatch51 acctually if you get an iPlayer cart you can play them
G0LARAMA 1 year ago
@G0LARAMA The iPlayer can play GBA ROMS, but they're emulated rather than native
newwatch51 1 year ago