Vatican Papal mass 29th June 2008-imposition of Pallium to 4

[AndreasAntoniusMaria]

Where are the Kiko-heretics now? This Pope gives communion on the Tongue whist the faithfull kneel. Something different as the Arguello ideal, falsely based on the second Vatican Council. Hand communion was never decided at this council, and is only possible because of an Indult of Pope Paul VI.

[singapore7773]

the church is the continuation of the INCARNATION, the mystical body of Christ

[ronald14676]

people if u hav a problem with the catholic church then why do you all go on catholic videos to comment disturbing things.this is what we believe if you don't want to believe it then just ignore what we say.....this is our faith!!!!!! blessed be holy mother church for all times

[kirchenhasser]

Muppet Show!

[singapore7773]

@kirchenhasser Muppet show!... shown all over the world. Your church is where? I thought so

[kirchenhasser]

@singapore7773 I don´t need any church.

[singapore7773]

@kirchenhasser Jesus said I will build MY church. Jesus said go to the church. Jesus said the church is equal to HIM. Paul said the church is the TRUTH. and you say u dont need it.!!! how sad

[faithdefdominican09]

the debate on the Bible alone theory still goes on....the Bible was created by the early Church Fathers,,as a compilation of different books w/c they thought was written with the GUIDANCE/ENLIGHTENMENT of the Holy Spirit....

-so if there is no Church,,there is no Bible..(just an analogy)

-and Jesus did not told us to rely on a book....rather,,to rely in His Father, in Him and to what He thoght and left for us..(but i'm not telling that the Bible is unreliable..it contains the Word of God)....

[Nidder1]

I know Catholics are fond of declaring only Catholics and everyone else protestant, but how many people do you suppose were converted before Paul went to Rome? None? How many Christians do you think there were while the Romans were still feeding Christians to the lions?

[fiddlenut24]

we can do this forever, we're not going not change eachothers opinion. you have your view, i have mine, lets leave it at that. this has been interesting

[Nidder1]

I was actually thinking that earlier. So we agree on something :) I don't normally post on videos like this, but a couple posts had caught my attention. At any rate, earlier today I got a message from a friend that the CBC has re-aired a documentary called the Pagan Christ. Countering this is where the work (for me) is to be done..

God bless.

[fiddlenut24]

god bless

[lovepeacenappiness23]

hello

[jorgecarrillo2]

The letter of Paul to romans sets that Rome had a very firm church even before he had ever gone there:

Romans 1,7-8 and 13

[Nidder1]

You didn't answer the question. That being, how many Christians do you think there were while Rome was still killing Christians. Do you recall that Paul was one of those who used to kill Christians and in fact helped martyr the 1st recorded in the Bible. Christianity didn't begin in Rome.

[NihilNominis]

@Nidder1 Where they are is not the point. The point is the Apostolic Succession, from St. Peter, which was conferred upon the Bishops of Rome simply because (although this seems to have been by Divine Providence) that is where St. Peter was when he laid down his life for Christ.

Legitimate Popes resided for some time at Avignon, in France, a place which has no connexion to the Apostles' travels. He was Pope because his succession came from St. Peter.

[NihilNominis]

@NihilNominis Christianity in the West, that is, Europe, came forth from the preaching of the Apostles Peter and Paul at Rome, and the See of Rome which tey founded was, by the time of the fourth century councils, recognised as the site of the legitimate succession of St. Peter, and was ceded pre-eminence among all the ancient Apostolic Sees. Even the E. Orthodox go this far.

[NihilNominis]

All things being equal, the pope at Rome was for 1000 years the undisputed first amongst the bishops. Doctrinal issues divided the Eastern and Western Churches for some time, but these were officially resolved by the Council of Florence in 1415, even if the laity of the East still decided to reject their bishops' act of reunion. So in the Apostolic Church, the Petrine Primacy pretty clearly rests and has rested with the Roman Pontiff.

[NihilNominis]

Bah, 1445. I'm an idiot.

[Nidder1]

@NihilNominis cont. They couldn't even agree who should be pope many times, look at Alexander II. What did he do? Oh yea, put his weight behind Wiliam so he could overthrow Kind Harold. It wasn't some unknown disrupter who started the protests, it was Luther. A good Catholic monk. It was not his intention to split the church, it was his intention to remove the corruption. "So, he translated english bibles at peril of death, so the people could see they were being lied to.

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 According to your logic you shouldnt be christian because after all the apostles pretty much disowned JESUS when he was arrested and put on trial. If you think that every catholic is going to be perfect you are living n a dream world. Jesus picked Judas remember

[kirchenhasser]

@singapore7773 I do not believe in Jesus still on the shit of Churches, a hypocrite and a criminal gang.

[singapore7773]

@kirchenhasser still? Paul was a murderer. David was a murderer. And you say still? Did you ever believe in Jesus and why? Life is messy. Churches are messy. You cant expect people to be all clean. Jesus came for the sick not the healthy.

[kirchenhasser]

@singapore7773You are bored with your church and Jesus and Paul. I do not like fairy tales.

[singapore7773]

@kirchenhasser fairy tales? good luck

[Nidder1]

@singapore7773 Your comment doesn't relate to mine in any logical way. I believe Jesus is the head of the Church. That He forgives sins and that we cannot in any way earn or buy salvation. This is the gospel. Period.

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 I dont know what comment you are referring to ? but i will take a guess....

CATHOLICS believe JESUS is the head of the church that he forgives sins and we cannot earn or buy salvation .... we also believe this is the gospel.. period..

[Nidder1]

@singapore7773 Then why do you need indulgences? Or have pergatory?

[Nidder1]

@Nidder1 Then why do you need indulgences? Or have pergatory?

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 1. Every catholic who ever recieves an indulgence or goes to purgatory is already "saved" as u would say. 2. Every sin has 2 parts. the eternal and the temporal. Jesus paid the eternal part that we could never pay. But, Jesus also said "pick up your cross." Jesus saves us, but he wants us to participate in this salvation. Just like God creates us, but our parents thru sex participate in our creation. It is the same with salvation. In catholicism , salvation is much more technical

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 I see on your profile u quote Jn 3:16. The problem you have is "believeith." To u it seems this just means to read the bible and believe it on your own terms.. To catholics it means much more. Jesus in this same bible says "go to the church". Paul says the church is TRUTH. Jesus says "this is my body" ..Jesus says to the apostles "he who hears you hears me. We believe all these things. You dont seem to.

[Nidder1]

@singapore7773 1st. I don't appreciate you making assumptions about my faith. That doesn't seem very Christian. I also see you the part where anyone who changes what is in the Gospel in anathema. We are told that we are saved by faith and faith alone. Perhaps you should pray about that rather than condemning people you don't know.

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 I said "it seems" no offense intended. James 2:24 "we are not saved by faith alone."

[Nidder1]

@singapore7773 OK. no offence taken. In James 2:24 are we not learning that from faith comes other works? Or in other words, I can't just say I believe then keep on w/ my life in a wordly manner. Belief in Christ bring change within a person which brings forth love, chartiy etc. Ephesians 2 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 we catholics agree with all of that. but catholics go much deeper

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 not in any way earn salvation? So do u believe Hitler is in heaven? After all there is nothing we can do to earn salvation correct? And doesnt the bible say God wills all to be saved? We catholics dont believe in any way we can earn salvation either. We believe grace precedes all. Grace helps me go to mass on sunday. Grace helps me go to confession. Grace helps me pay my taxes. Grace is Christ who lives in me. I no longer live but Christ lives in me. This is Catholicism

[Nidder1]

@NihilNominis end... I'm really not wanting to disrupt, but when people tell me these things, it is frustrating. I follow the word of God, not the word of man. If you so choose to believe your church, that is your call. But it is pressed upon me to speak the truth. Nothing I have said is not in history or a part of the Bible. Thanks via Luther for our freedom/democracy and God bless you in your path.

[no1hoopsman]

@Nidder1 Do you feel pressed to speak "The Truth" about all things?

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 You mean the same Luther that the Luthern church disowned? do u mean that Luther?

[Nidder1]

@NihilNominis No, that is exactly the point. That being that the reason Rome overtook Christianity was a power play. There is no evidence for Peter in Rome. Peter was sent to the Jews, Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Throughout history it has been nothing but a power play, that is why is was illegal to print the bible in english. Once people could read the bible, they would know they were being lied to.

[singapore7773]

@Nidder1 Peter being in rome is not required. Jesus wasnt in Rome either. no biggie

long live the pope

[fiddlenut24]

32,000 protestant denominations and one catholic church. you place so much emphasis on scripture. the early christians had no bible, so how did they learn about jesus?? they learned through word of mouth, preaching and oral tradition. jesus never wrote anything for us to read, his words, actions and his message have been kept alive through the years by this same tradition. scripture alone is not enough, paul says so himself

[Nidder1]

I'm not a protestant. Also, if before the bible was written you had word of mouth I sudder to think what would have happened if everybody just went around making stuff up. You can simply look at what the 1st things apostles did after Christ ascended Ah yes, they did exactly what he said and then they turned to the scripture for their guidance.

[fiddlenut24]

have you ever actually read the bible? and not just those cute little quotes from all the anti catholic websites?? if you have you would discover that the bible itself preaches against sola scriptura

[Nidder1]

Yes. Your ad hominem or red herring attempts at diversion are really not appropriate.

[Nidder1]

And concerning Peter: "There is a hundred times more evidence that Peter was buried in Jerusalem than in Rome." ~~ Rev. Father J.T. Milik, Roman Catholic Priest and archaeologist

"Well, we will have to make some changes... but for the time being, keep this thing quiet." ~~ Pope Pius XII, the Bishop of Rome

[Nidder1]

About Peter: he was given to minister unto the circumcized: Gal2 7 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter"

It was Paul who was commissioned to the uncircumcized.  Also see: II Timothy 1:11, Rom. 15:16, Romans 15:18 Rom. 1:11

[fiddlenut24]

there is no biblical reference for this, it's taken from the catechism of the catholic church.

[Nidder1]

No biblical reference? That's convenient.

[fiddlenut24]

i dont quite know where you got your information but the church has never proclaimed the pope to be god.the pope is a servant of god, and the leader of the catholic church. the first pope was st peter, and i cant recall anyone calling him god

[Nidder1]

fiddlenut: is it not true that the Pope is referring to as the Holy Father? Given that the term is used once in the entire bible when Jesus was praying to God, do you think it appropriate? Do you not think it odd that Peter was commissioned as the minister to the circumcized and that it was Paul who was minister to the uncircumcized?  About Rome: Did Paul not say "Only Luke is with me" (II Tim. 4:11). Yet you place Peter in Rome?

[fiddlenut24]

the pope, bishop of rome and peters successor "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and the whole company of the faithful" " for the roman pontiff, by reason of his office as vicar of christ, and as pastor of the entire church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered" i suggest you read the catechism if you intend to tell us catholics what we believe

[Nidder1]

I'm not telling 'you' what you believe, I'm advising you on what you don't know. You said the pope had not been not called God, you were wrong. You have not in any real way tried to answer my questions.

[fiddlenut24]

no i am not wrong. the words "holy father are used once in the gospel of john, and never again in any other gospel. so if the name of god is the holy father, why is it mentioned only once in the entire bible? furthermore if it's so important a name why does it appear in only one of the gospels? no pope has ever declared himself to be god, nor has any catholic considered the pope to be god, any suggestion otherwise is in error

[Nidder1]

Holy Father, perhaps because it was used by Jesus in a time of prayer. It places it in special importance because of that dont you think? However, many names given to God are / have been applied to the Pope.

[Nidder1]

As for calling the Pope God ""The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh, ...continues His ministry amongst men .. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ Who is speaking. Does he teach? It is Jesus Christ Who teaches. Does he confer grace or pronounce an anathema? It is Jesus Christ Himself Who is pronouncing the anathema and conferring the grace." etc. -Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15

[fiddlenut24]

the lord made simon alone, whom he named peter, the "rock of his church. he gave him the keys of his church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock. the office of binding and loosing which was given to peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head. this pastoral office of peter and the other apostles belongs to the church's very foundation and is continued under the primacy of the pope

[Nidder1]

Could you please provide the biblical reference for this?

[mrpaiva04]

There would not be a Western Civilization the way we know it without the Catholic Church.

[Nidder1]

mrpaiva04: Are you referring to the inquisitions?

[mrpaiva04]

Yes. that too, but that's history now. The Church has learned from its human mistakes.

[av3rRageGameName]

No matter how many attempts the devil and his angels make the church shall forever be triumphant, with all our holy fathers, from st. peters and so on and they shall sit at theright hand of christ and rule over the new earth on the final judgment!!! peace to all those who love in christ. cursed are all those who dont accept as king and saviour

[1987filipeson]

Really?

[lanivil0209]

we've been here since 2000 years ago, so we're the Only church

[GaullistFan]

It is the true church cause it is the largest in the world u fucking idiot!

[fiddlenut24]

the catholic church was founded by jesus christ and his apostles, it was, is, and ever shall be only true christian church

[GaullistFan]

i agree

[Nidder1]

fiddlenut24: Actually, Jesus was a Jew as were his diciples. The Romans (including 'Paul') were persecuting the early Christians.

The church was usurped by the Romans and was indoctrined w/ pagan practices. Throughout our history the RC Church has claimed the Pope to be God. This is not true. Furthermore, the exclusion of others who are not Catholic is very wrong. John3:16