@MasterJoshuaSeven I don't know if Martin Luther King in fact said this, but it's incorrect. Semites are Arabs. Jews don't own that word anymore than they own the word Holocaust. The Palestinians are the rightful owners of the word holocaust, now, under the brutal and totally illegal occupation by Israel. So what's your point. I, personally, condemn everyone who supports this atrocity. If you're a jew and you support this, than I condemn you. If that's uncomfortable, change the behavior.
@karmagal Show me pictures of the ovans, the piles of arab bodies and the internment camps where Israel has been ruthlessly torturing and killing the arabs. Then, maybe they can "own" the word Holocaust.
And if all you want to do nit-pick over the semantics, I'll just say the "Palestinians" don't "own" that name either. Until the early twentieth century, there were no "Palestinian" people.
And Israel is a legitimate country, Britain and the League of Nations said as much in the 1940s.
@StardustWarrior16 And that’s all it is…a religion. You’re not a “people”. You’re entitled to nothing more than anyone else. News flash: you’re nothing special. Your just people with an unbelievable, undeserving murderous attitude of entitlement.
@StardustWarrior16 If the holocaust against Jews was wrong, and I think we can agree it was then it’s wrong when you carry it out. And I’m tired of hearing what is your “divine” right. The bible/torah is not a friggin land deed. It’s a worthless book full of genocide. And Palestine was not Balfour’s to give away. It was Palestine. If you’re going to deny Palestine and it’s people are real, I’ll have to say Jews are a fake made up religion cashing in on an event that happened not JUST to you
@StardustWarrior16 The entire West Bank is an open-air walled in prison camp. Israel is making a conscious choice to slowly starve people to death and murder them whenever it gets the opportunity. You've got everyone so concerned about being called anti-semite (which is ridiculous) that those murders go virtually unmentioned in the U.S. press but read something besides U.S./Israeli propaganda and it's there. And it's condemned (rightfully so) by the world.
@StardustWarrior16 As the holocaust against Black Africans shows, and the one suffered by the East Timorese, and the North Vietnamese and EVERY peoples throughout history shows, you don’t need ovens to carry out murder. I’m not interested in the murder weapon, just the murder itself.
@StardustWarrior16 Israel is it's own worst enemy and it will be it's demise. As you continue to try and take more and more land you will be squashed as you deserve to be. Pushing Palestinians off their own land (which Israel continues to do, illegally) wasn't enough. You have to continue to take more. That's been the the addiction since the beginning of time and why you continue to have trouble.
@karmagal If Jews have such a "murderous attitude of entitlement", why didn't they just destroy the Al-Aqsa when they had the chance? And why are there arabs in the Knesset? I'm not gonna say Israel is perfect but it's completely fallacious to campare the situation to Aparthied.
@StardustWarrior16 The ONLY reason you won't compare it to apartheid is because Israel is swinging the club. If the shoe were on the other foot, it would be considered the worst atrocity known in human history. It only counts when it's happening TO jews.
@StardustWarrior16 Hamas is a democratically elected govt. The only ones who consider it a terrorist organization are Israel and the U.S. The occupation is predictably going to create extreme behavior from it's victims. If Israel was serious about stopping attacks from Hamas it would end the occupation. Israel is far more terroristic but that's worthy terror because it's being carried out by Israel. Just because jews didn't fight back during their holocaust doesn't mean no one else will.
@karmagal Um, the U.S. considering it a terrorist organization is good enough for me. The reason Israel put a blockaid is to prevent Gaza from obtaining WMDs. If Gazans need food, water or anything else Israel is perfectly fine letting things like that through it's side of the border. And lets not forger the fact that egypt lifted it's own part of the blockaid.
Gaza is not hurting, they have options and, as I said before, if anyone is hurting Gazans it's Hamas.
@MasterJoshuaSeven Again, a convenient explanation. It's good enough for you because it works in your favor. The wall has been condemned by the highest court in the land, namely the World Court, but with the same disgusting attitude the U.S. has, laws don't apply to Israel. She does what she likes (only because it's got the U.S. on it's side. It could do nothing with the U.S. arming it to the teeth). Yeah, Gaza has options. Do what we tell you or we'll kill you. No one would accept that.
@karmagal The explaination is convenient because it's the truth. Hamas wants Israel gone because they're muslim extremists that believe it is their duty to capture land away from the 'infidels'.
@MasterJoshuaSeven It's propaganda. That's the truth. Hamas wants the Israeli boot off the throats of the Palestinians. Are the extreme? No doubt. I do not condone violence under any circumstances, however I expect it when people are being forced to live under the conditions the Palestinians are forced to live under, courtesy of Israel. Hamas isn't the problem It's the result of hideous oppression being carried out by Israel and it's IDF for more than 40 years. So, yes, I expect this.
@StardustWarrior16 Lol, This is just laughable. So colonialism is good and stealing land and doing whatever one likes to that land and it's people is good. Gotcha. Hope you feel that way if anyone ever has it's boot on the throat of Israel.
@karmagal I'm not saying what happened in WW1 was good but it is how the world works. If "colonialism" is a good enough reason to uproot Israel then the same logic applies almost every other nation on the planet.
@MasterJoshuaSeven So would you calmly say this is how the world worked during WWII? Why are we all so bent out of shape about the jewish holocaust if that's the attitude? Hypocrite. So if it's done to you, you have the "right" to do it to someone else. We're not talking about biblical times, we're talking modern times. Not interested in peace or justice, you just want to be the one swinging the club. It's your divine right. I keep forgetting.
@karmagal World War 1 was a WAR. There is a difference between a war and an entire country deciding to viciously murder an enitre sect of it's own population.
@karmagal This is exactly what MLK was talking about in that quote. I never mentioned the Bible or Torah, you did. Your venon also seems to be directed at Jews in general, not just Israel. I believe it's obvious, you sir/madam, are an anti-semite.
@StardustWarrior16 You're so weak. The anti-semite comment is totally predictable. That's how you get to sleep at night by saying someone hates jews. Remember, semite means Arab (I support Palestine), which a good chunk of Israelis are not. They are Euro descent. Even American jews, who are a large chunk of settlers think they're entitled to something simply by "birth right". Half of which don't even practice the religion. If you don't practice, you're not a jew. It's a religion.
@karmagal You don't have to practice being Black or Asian or Italian, etc. you just are. I can become a jew (though I wouldn't) but I can't become any of the above. So Israel's existence is because of a religion. No other religion has that. So you don't have to mention the torah, it's always the crux of any issue when speaking of Israel.
@karmagal Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and almost every other country in the Middle-East is inhabited by muslims and based on Islam. Even America is inhabited mostly by christians and our laws are based on Judeo-Christian principles.
@MasterJoshuaSeven Do I really need to explain this. Saudis, Egyptians, Iranians, Palestinian, Americans, etc. are all those things, first. If I ask them what they are they say, Saudi, Iranian, Palestinian, American. If I ask what religion they are they answer accordingly. Jews are the only one who answer jewish. Most American jews don't even know they're heritage as it's unimportant. They're jewish. Even if they've never set foot in temple.
@karmagal Israel wasn't created for Poles, Germans, French, etc. It was created for Jews. It's a jewish state. It's the only state that identifies by a religion rather than heritage.I understand the need for it at the time, but NOT at the expense of another people. You don't see that and that's where the break down happens. You think you and your fellow jews are "entitled" due to the WWII. Everyone has had an atrocity. You don't have a corner on the market.
@karmagal And so the oppressed has become the oppressor. Even worse as this is the longest occupation in history. It's a slow horrible death being carried out, not by Hamas, but by Israel (with the U.S., of course) If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for ALL. NO ONE (for emphasis, not yelling) gets a pass. This is a basic moral truism. If people don't understand this, they're not in the moral universe. Israelis have a right to live in peace too, but they won't if they don't stop their terror.
@karmagal Again it's not an occupation. You know, this entire time I've never mentioned anything about God giving the Jews any kind of right to the land. My argument has been that Israel is a legitimate country by earthly standards, by the standards with which every other country claims legitimacy. You're the one who keeps bringing God.
@MasterJoshuaSeven OMG, you're thick or just resistant because it doesn't fit your "story". Those countries weren't created for Muslims. Those countries are inhabited by Saudi Arabians, Iranians, etc. who some of which are muslims. Not all are. Jews always consider themselves jews, even if they don't practice. "I'm a jew, but I don't follow the religion" is the claim. Then you're not a jew. Whether Saudis or Iranians practice their religion has no bearing on them being Saudi or Iranian.
@karmagal The big expense the jews imposed on the Palestinians is the loss of their land, their lives, there way of commerce, their ability to have access to food, water, education and most of all FREEDOM and SOVEREIGNTY on their own land. That's how. How old are you? Maybe I'm asking to much of you. Not taking a shot, it's a sincere question.
@karmagal Also, The Holocaust wasn't first time Jews were killed, nor was it the first time they were forced to where the Star of David and treated like dirt. There is a history of Jews being discriminated against and kicked around from one Euorpean country to the next being told to go back to where they came from.
Why should they, or more important, why should their descendants return to countries with which they share such a history?
@MasterJoshuaSeven I never said they should return to anywhere, so I'm not sure why or to whom you're posing this question. Or is this just something you like to talk about?
@karmagal I don't know about you, but personally I'm a Christian before I am anything, even an American (which I am). I don't understand any christian or jew or even muslim who would put their country before God.
@MasterJoshuaSeven Well, that's sweet, but if you attempt to get a passport, you don't apply for one as a christian. You apply as an American. This actually explains a lot and is really funny. You're defending Israel's rights to slaughter Palestinians because according to your "beliefs" (not truth, but belief, there's a profound difference) all jews need to be in Israel (Jerusalem) to perish before the second coming can happen. You're beliefs require all jews must die.
@karmagal And it's not a competition between god and heritage. If someone asks me what I am, I don't respond with believer or christian or catholic, I respond appropriately with Italian. I'm Italian. I'm an American citizen. I identify with no religion as they murder in the name of god. I'm a recovering catholic (well into my 25th year) and doing great. I have a built in moral compass and inherent compassion. I don't need fire and brimstone to keep me honest and decent. I have a soul.
@karmagal God and heritage are not mutually exclusive. You can have more than one at a time, in fact everyone does, even if it's agnostic. These two things are not related at all so what a bizarre statement it is for you to make. If you feel christian first, good luck with that. But you have to face facts that the worst atrocities are in the name of god. Both past and present and my guess, future.
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gubbengullila 2 days ago
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asmaeweida 3 weeks ago
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iqbali4u 1 month ago 3
"When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism."
-Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
MasterJoshuaSeven 1 month ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven I don't know if Martin Luther King in fact said this, but it's incorrect. Semites are Arabs. Jews don't own that word anymore than they own the word Holocaust. The Palestinians are the rightful owners of the word holocaust, now, under the brutal and totally illegal occupation by Israel. So what's your point. I, personally, condemn everyone who supports this atrocity. If you're a jew and you support this, than I condemn you. If that's uncomfortable, change the behavior.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Show me pictures of the ovans, the piles of arab bodies and the internment camps where Israel has been ruthlessly torturing and killing the arabs. Then, maybe they can "own" the word Holocaust.
And if all you want to do nit-pick over the semantics, I'll just say the "Palestinians" don't "own" that name either. Until the early twentieth century, there were no "Palestinian" people.
And Israel is a legitimate country, Britain and the League of Nations said as much in the 1940s.
StardustWarrior16 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 And that’s all it is…a religion. You’re not a “people”. You’re entitled to nothing more than anyone else. News flash: you’re nothing special. Your just people with an unbelievable, undeserving murderous attitude of entitlement.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 If the holocaust against Jews was wrong, and I think we can agree it was then it’s wrong when you carry it out. And I’m tired of hearing what is your “divine” right. The bible/torah is not a friggin land deed. It’s a worthless book full of genocide. And Palestine was not Balfour’s to give away. It was Palestine. If you’re going to deny Palestine and it’s people are real, I’ll have to say Jews are a fake made up religion cashing in on an event that happened not JUST to you
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 The entire West Bank is an open-air walled in prison camp. Israel is making a conscious choice to slowly starve people to death and murder them whenever it gets the opportunity. You've got everyone so concerned about being called anti-semite (which is ridiculous) that those murders go virtually unmentioned in the U.S. press but read something besides U.S./Israeli propaganda and it's there. And it's condemned (rightfully so) by the world.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 As the holocaust against Black Africans shows, and the one suffered by the East Timorese, and the North Vietnamese and EVERY peoples throughout history shows, you don’t need ovens to carry out murder. I’m not interested in the murder weapon, just the murder itself.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 Israel is it's own worst enemy and it will be it's demise. As you continue to try and take more and more land you will be squashed as you deserve to be. Pushing Palestinians off their own land (which Israel continues to do, illegally) wasn't enough. You have to continue to take more. That's been the the addiction since the beginning of time and why you continue to have trouble.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal If Jews have such a "murderous attitude of entitlement", why didn't they just destroy the Al-Aqsa when they had the chance? And why are there arabs in the Knesset? I'm not gonna say Israel is perfect but it's completely fallacious to campare the situation to Aparthied.
StardustWarrior16 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 The ONLY reason you won't compare it to apartheid is because Israel is swinging the club. If the shoe were on the other foot, it would be considered the worst atrocity known in human history. It only counts when it's happening TO jews.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Actually, the reason I'm not comparing Israel to apartheid is because there is no apartheid in Israel. It's just that simple.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven This is correct. The apartheid is in Palestine.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal The West Bank is run by Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization and if people in Gaza are being starved, you can blame them.
StardustWarrior16 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 Hamas is a democratically elected govt. The only ones who consider it a terrorist organization are Israel and the U.S. The occupation is predictably going to create extreme behavior from it's victims. If Israel was serious about stopping attacks from Hamas it would end the occupation. Israel is far more terroristic but that's worthy terror because it's being carried out by Israel. Just because jews didn't fight back during their holocaust doesn't mean no one else will.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Um, the U.S. considering it a terrorist organization is good enough for me. The reason Israel put a blockaid is to prevent Gaza from obtaining WMDs. If Gazans need food, water or anything else Israel is perfectly fine letting things like that through it's side of the border. And lets not forger the fact that egypt lifted it's own part of the blockaid.
Gaza is not hurting, they have options and, as I said before, if anyone is hurting Gazans it's Hamas.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven Again, a convenient explanation. It's good enough for you because it works in your favor. The wall has been condemned by the highest court in the land, namely the World Court, but with the same disgusting attitude the U.S. has, laws don't apply to Israel. She does what she likes (only because it's got the U.S. on it's side. It could do nothing with the U.S. arming it to the teeth). Yeah, Gaza has options. Do what we tell you or we'll kill you. No one would accept that.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal The explaination is convenient because it's the truth. Hamas wants Israel gone because they're muslim extremists that believe it is their duty to capture land away from the 'infidels'.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven It's propaganda. That's the truth. Hamas wants the Israeli boot off the throats of the Palestinians. Are the extreme? No doubt. I do not condone violence under any circumstances, however I expect it when people are being forced to live under the conditions the Palestinians are forced to live under, courtesy of Israel. Hamas isn't the problem It's the result of hideous oppression being carried out by Israel and it's IDF for more than 40 years. So, yes, I expect this.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Britain did infact have every right to do whatever they wanted with the land they owned. They fought to Ottoman empire in WW1 and won.
StardustWarrior16 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 Lol, This is just laughable. So colonialism is good and stealing land and doing whatever one likes to that land and it's people is good. Gotcha. Hope you feel that way if anyone ever has it's boot on the throat of Israel.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal I'm not saying what happened in WW1 was good but it is how the world works. If "colonialism" is a good enough reason to uproot Israel then the same logic applies almost every other nation on the planet.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven So would you calmly say this is how the world worked during WWII? Why are we all so bent out of shape about the jewish holocaust if that's the attitude? Hypocrite. So if it's done to you, you have the "right" to do it to someone else. We're not talking about biblical times, we're talking modern times. Not interested in peace or justice, you just want to be the one swinging the club. It's your divine right. I keep forgetting.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal World War 1 was a WAR. There is a difference between a war and an entire country deciding to viciously murder an enitre sect of it's own population.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@karmagal This is exactly what MLK was talking about in that quote. I never mentioned the Bible or Torah, you did. Your venon also seems to be directed at Jews in general, not just Israel. I believe it's obvious, you sir/madam, are an anti-semite.
StardustWarrior16 3 weeks ago
@StardustWarrior16 You're so weak. The anti-semite comment is totally predictable. That's how you get to sleep at night by saying someone hates jews. Remember, semite means Arab (I support Palestine), which a good chunk of Israelis are not. They are Euro descent. Even American jews, who are a large chunk of settlers think they're entitled to something simply by "birth right". Half of which don't even practice the religion. If you don't practice, you're not a jew. It's a religion.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal You don't have to practice being Black or Asian or Italian, etc. you just are. I can become a jew (though I wouldn't) but I can't become any of the above. So Israel's existence is because of a religion. No other religion has that. So you don't have to mention the torah, it's always the crux of any issue when speaking of Israel.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
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MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and almost every other country in the Middle-East is inhabited by muslims and based on Islam. Even America is inhabited mostly by christians and our laws are based on Judeo-Christian principles.
I fail to see any relevancy here.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven Do I really need to explain this. Saudis, Egyptians, Iranians, Palestinian, Americans, etc. are all those things, first. If I ask them what they are they say, Saudi, Iranian, Palestinian, American. If I ask what religion they are they answer accordingly. Jews are the only one who answer jewish. Most American jews don't even know they're heritage as it's unimportant. They're jewish. Even if they've never set foot in temple.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
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karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Israel wasn't created for Poles, Germans, French, etc. It was created for Jews. It's a jewish state. It's the only state that identifies by a religion rather than heritage.I understand the need for it at the time, but NOT at the expense of another people. You don't see that and that's where the break down happens. You think you and your fellow jews are "entitled" due to the WWII. Everyone has had an atrocity. You don't have a corner on the market.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal And so the oppressed has become the oppressor. Even worse as this is the longest occupation in history. It's a slow horrible death being carried out, not by Hamas, but by Israel (with the U.S., of course) If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for ALL. NO ONE (for emphasis, not yelling) gets a pass. This is a basic moral truism. If people don't understand this, they're not in the moral universe. Israelis have a right to live in peace too, but they won't if they don't stop their terror.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Again it's not an occupation. You know, this entire time I've never mentioned anything about God giving the Jews any kind of right to the land. My argument has been that Israel is a legitimate country by earthly standards, by the standards with which every other country claims legitimacy. You're the one who keeps bringing God.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@karmagal And Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. weren't created for Muslims?
Also, what was this big expense the Jews imposed on the Arabs? I hardly call aserting their own rights imposing an expense.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven OMG, you're thick or just resistant because it doesn't fit your "story". Those countries weren't created for Muslims. Those countries are inhabited by Saudi Arabians, Iranians, etc. who some of which are muslims. Not all are. Jews always consider themselves jews, even if they don't practice. "I'm a jew, but I don't follow the religion" is the claim. Then you're not a jew. Whether Saudis or Iranians practice their religion has no bearing on them being Saudi or Iranian.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal The big expense the jews imposed on the Palestinians is the loss of their land, their lives, there way of commerce, their ability to have access to food, water, education and most of all FREEDOM and SOVEREIGNTY on their own land. That's how. How old are you? Maybe I'm asking to much of you. Not taking a shot, it's a sincere question.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal Also, The Holocaust wasn't first time Jews were killed, nor was it the first time they were forced to where the Star of David and treated like dirt. There is a history of Jews being discriminated against and kicked around from one Euorpean country to the next being told to go back to where they came from.
Why should they, or more important, why should their descendants return to countries with which they share such a history?
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven I never said they should return to anywhere, so I'm not sure why or to whom you're posing this question. Or is this just something you like to talk about?
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal I don't know about you, but personally I'm a Christian before I am anything, even an American (which I am). I don't understand any christian or jew or even muslim who would put their country before God.
MasterJoshuaSeven 3 weeks ago
@MasterJoshuaSeven Well, that's sweet, but if you attempt to get a passport, you don't apply for one as a christian. You apply as an American. This actually explains a lot and is really funny. You're defending Israel's rights to slaughter Palestinians because according to your "beliefs" (not truth, but belief, there's a profound difference) all jews need to be in Israel (Jerusalem) to perish before the second coming can happen. You're beliefs require all jews must die.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal And it's not a competition between god and heritage. If someone asks me what I am, I don't respond with believer or christian or catholic, I respond appropriately with Italian. I'm Italian. I'm an American citizen. I identify with no religion as they murder in the name of god. I'm a recovering catholic (well into my 25th year) and doing great. I have a built in moral compass and inherent compassion. I don't need fire and brimstone to keep me honest and decent. I have a soul.
karmagal 3 weeks ago
@karmagal God and heritage are not mutually exclusive. You can have more than one at a time, in fact everyone does, even if it's agnostic. These two things are not related at all so what a bizarre statement it is for you to make. If you feel christian first, good luck with that. But you have to face facts that the worst atrocities are in the name of god. Both past and present and my guess, future.
karmagal 3 weeks ago