Systema Russian Martial Art by Vladimir Vasiliev Takedowns with Shirt Collar

[jonoderidder]

the t-shirt move looks awesome! I reckon it would often be easy to position a hand near the chest of someone 'posturing up' without them noticing/reacting - eg just palm out 'calm down' motion.

[NYWAORCANZ]

what DVD is this?

[blakeleblanc1]

Thank you for sharing this Vladimir! Was this around the same time as the recent clothing seminar? I've heard nothing but really good things about that event, it must have been fun to have that many instructors/students under one roof!

[specialist2016]

Друзья ! не сомнивайтесь в системе, и самое главное не сомневайтесь в себе. Данные действия очень эфективны в самом начале возникновения конфликта, и если конфликт не удалось разрешить словами, необходимо действовать. На видео показана демонстрация самых простых движений, которые помогут выйти победителем в некоторой конфликтной ситуации...

[criticalthinker74]

Interesting. I wonder how this would look in a real street fight with a resisting opponent. Has Vladimir every been into a street fight situation? Any stories that he might have told his students? (I don't mean a military operation..etc but an actual street fight?)

[creepychris11]

@criticalthinker74 Manipulating someone with their own clothing is something that has been done for as long as there has been clothing. Also... hand to hand combat is the same whether you are on the street or on the battlefield. (A punch is a punch etc.) Unless you are training with some specific weapon of course. In other words, there is only systema, not two different systema.

[criticalthinker74]

@creepychris11 well, it's true that the same concepts do apply in both training and real street fights. But it's a little hard to imagine that in a real heated street fight, your opponent would fall down so easily just by having his clothes twisted like that. I am not questioning the efficiency of systema. Just wondering if anyone has any anecdotes about how this was tested in a real conflict.

[TheKingdomeOfOldKing]

@criticalthinker74 If you had trained any martial art you whould know that every technique is to be used when the situation is right, everything is about timing. Perhaps this manoveur could be used to suprise the opponent? or as said, if it seems right for the situation, therefore tactical thinking is very important no matter if it is a "heated street fight" or a military operation.

[creepychris11]

@criticalthinker74 You can't show people something new if they can't see it. The technique must be demonstrated before the opponent can start applying resistance. Most fighting systems have been addressing clothing manipulation for hundreds of years. (at least) This is simply the r.m.a. version.

[stillnessinmovement]

@criticalthinker74

your not seeing how this works. he's not only twisting the clothes. that's one half of the fulcrum, with the other (main)half being the hand or fist. and it's the scissoring or reversing action that makes it work, it's not that it's so strong, it's that force is coming from opposite or splitting directions against a poor angle. as vlad says, it's not hard, the neck isn't very strong. the main point? be able to see ALL options. these are some options...

thx 4 post vlad!

[criticalthinker74]

@stillnessinmovement I see that. and somehow it works but better when Vlad does it.

[NYWAORCANZ]

@criticalthinker74

many of us would have too much disire to force the technique to work

Vald is far more relaxed then most of us not to mention his experince and if his technique does not work for him ...story simply changes but of course the new story also has Vald winning as well.

[buboetherat]

@criticalthinker74 You'll go down pretty quick with that poke to the throat off of the snap of the shirt collar. Even done lightly in class, it's VERY uncomfortable to say the least to get poked there. 

[criticalthinker74]

@buboetherat I have no doubt about that. I have been at the other end of Vladimir's attacks before. As I said I am not at all questioning the efficiency of systema. I was looking to hear anecdotes of how this stuff has been useful on the ground.

[SlavaSvarogu]

@criticalthinker74 so this is real street fight,no one fight like ninjas in street fights,making derty,easy triks its only solition in this conflict

[theocp]

hahaha very cool work!

[jmmurdy]

Nice video