She is lucky that she doesn't HAVE to march to the war drum. It's only young men that are conscripted, taken violently from their home and physically and emotionally beaten until they are sent out to die screaming in a foreign field. Thatcher, Mier, Gahndi all women who used male only conscription. This is so self-centered it's offensive.
It's not just a bunch of men who are prepared to accept a violent world so that a small minority can be rich at the expense of the majority. Both genders experience negative emotions such as greed and hate which can lead to war.
She wasn't man bashing. When she says "man" I'm sure she means it in the general sense. As in mankind. Let's not forget women fight in wars too! She's talking about innocent civilians losing their lives, families ripped apart by war. She's saying she wants no part of it but at the same time there's no hate in her heart. She just wants peace.
Some men misinterpret when they hear a women like Suheir speak. We are not against men. We just believe that a different mind set would help this world. The male dominated world has brought war on people and to the Earth. The qualities that women represent are compassion, love, peace etc. What male can argue that these are not what this world needs now. Men, do you want your children's children's children etc. to live in a world of war and pollution or one of peace and clean air?
I liked it. Well spoken., the start was great, and it ended the same way. Poetry is art and many cannot ,or refuse to ,understand it. I am niether ., I can not refuse to try and understand and enjoy.
This is a really sad bunch of comments. How is this misandry? Is it because she never really mentions men at all? How many male TED speakers have gone through their entire talk without using a single feminine pronoun? Is that an example of sexism? Is that an example of sexism deserving a huge avalanche of negativity like the ones found on virtually every talk from TEDwomen?
TED Women? Wow, I lost a whole lot of respect after seeing that. What's next? TED Black, Disabled TED, TED Turner Commuinications Corp. Why not just stick to the original TED with no special target or interest group and just people who want to see other amazing people talk?
Your need for an "alternative" to war shows you have it precisely backwards. Those who advocate war must bear the burden of proof -- and a high burden it is, for you must justify the inevitable violent killing and maiming of innocent women and children. The argument against violence is automatic, whether it's a man brutalizing his wife or a powerful country demolishing a weaker one. The fact that such obvious truisms escape notice is evidence of hubris and an American education.
@colemiller56 You speak of burden of proof. War is not a high-minded discourse. Not a debate. It is the culmination of myriad human impulses and emotions.
Shall that weaker country lay down and die. Shall they entreat peace with people intent on their destruction.
Pacifism is at best a delusion & at worst a lie. A falsehood made possible in the peaceful places that warriors have created at great cost in blood.
We work to make war obsolete. We do not pretend it was never necessary.
I would have liked this, but I met this woman in Rammalla at the cast party for Milh Hadha al-Bahr [Salt of This Sea], I was with her costar and she was a B-E-O-T-C-H to me. Arrogant, tried to belittle me, borderline racist... So
lol. You made my day. Still with all the hate in here including yourself 'kak poetry'.
Shite it my be, I don't know her from Adam but now I like her a little more. Your dizzy flatulence pooped from your supreme bum lacks everything including charm.
Beat poetry is okay I don't know why some people have to be so anal despite listening to TED. I liked other speakers better as well and I liked some less...
This isn't a bad video because of what her subject matter, it's bad because it's shitty poetry. Plain and simple. Read Woolstonecraft or Plath or Sexton or Barbauld or H.D., but please don't complain about bias when she's just a bad poet.
Women are equal? Just take a look at the dislike bar for this video. Then compare it to that of any other male TED speaker. Surely, not ALL of them are better than this speaker? Yet she is looked down upon because she is speaking about a topic that she is passionate about. A topic that men tire to hear of because that's all women talk about. That attitude of "just another women talking about inequality" is what remains to be a strong issue in our society.
@MistressSerenity I don't appreciate her world view. War is terrible yes, but she fails to offer a solid argument as to any other alternative. It's one thing to say War is bad. Better philosophers than I have said that. And I agree with it. In fact, I'd argue most DO agree with that statement. But it doesn't offer a solution. It's emotion without substance. Elizabeth Lesser talked about seeing from another's point of view in debate. She offered a problem and a solution.
@himansku I can respect that. I appreciate that you at least supported your opinion with reason. Her poem to me, is just more of an art piece, something to be appreciated but not to be taken too seriously.
@MistressSerenity I don't know about the other people who disliked this video, but I disliked it because it is bad poetry, not because of the subject matter.
@MistressSerenity Yes, ALL of the other TED speakers are better than this speaker. She is looked down upon not because of her gender, but because a poetry reading does not meet the standards that we have come to expect for an intelligent TED presentation. I mean, what's next? Interpretive dance?!
@lemonrind Really? Your taste in poetry is so cultivated that if anyone appreciates poetry that is not up to par with your standards, they appreciate shitty poetry. Many words come to mind but contemptuous sums up what you are to perfection.
@MistressSerenity Sorry. That's just bullshit. Take a look at Liza Donnelly, or Cynthia Breazell, or Ali Char-Chellman. Examine their like/dislike ratio if you please.
She isn't being attacked because she is talking about equality. She is getting thumbs down, because they don't like her poems.
TEDwomen isn't getting a massive hate-on because "Men" are tired of "just another women talking about inequality". It's because those of us who believe in equality are tired of being talked down to.
@MistressSerenity Really reflect for a moment. Do you often find yourself talking about "men" as an all-inclusive group? Does that give you pause at all?
I ask because if I say "Women need to stop complaining about things they already have," my insides curl a little bit. They curl because that's bullshit. "Women" don't need to stop doing anything. "Women" aren't a homogeneous group with a unified agenda. Neither are "Men".
@sikok93453 You are one stupid bitch aren't you..? Women only want the privilages of equality and no consequences. One thing you stupid women need to understand is that we are not equal at all!! Name me one thing that women have done (technology-wise)..? Women don't deserve equality because they're dumb. Oh and women are more privilaged when it comes ot the law. Ever heard of casey anthony..? She got away with murdering her kid, but if it was a man he would be locked up with no proof needed.
three: Casey Anthony was found not guilty by a jury of her peers - if there isn't equality in that department, then OJ Simpson would have gotten away with killing his wife. herpa derp
Great message from these pieces. Loved it. However, everyone are people. Women are people and men are people. I tend to dislike it when people focus on the "woman's side of an arguement" because it saddens me that the distinction must be made clear. When people are hurt or in bad situations, it doesn't matter whether they are male or female. Everyone is wronged when violence happens.
i love how every upload that has anything remotely to do with women or feminisim (or even nothing) is considered bad. and people try to argue that women have complete equal standing in the first world... psh-ha!
@ 3:27 Holy fuck a guy! Fuck what the hell is going on?! I thought they went extinct during the great boxing wars of superbowl cheetohs!
All jokes aside, I am neutral to the pacifist stance. I understand that violence is necessary in many instances, but we need to be careful. More people need a "violence is wrong" mindset, and that need a larger nation overpowering a smaller one and giving it a stable government.
I dislike this. Indeed, this rhetoric is passionate and appeals to our emotions very well. But behind it I see a very skewed view of the world. A male war machine, where sprinkling estrogen on the government buildings of the world causes war to vanish, and middle/upper class people can stop it by feeling pacifistic.
I do not see beauty in this view. I see simplistic and misleading rhetoric, too vague to have substance. How about we discuss real causes of war, like poverty?
@Jotto999 I would rather take this as art. It would be to much to ask for poetry and solutions. She expresses a view of the world which you don't have to share but it is nontheless good to hear.
@reafdaw01 Not necessarily solutions, but art has messages, and it does reveal about the artist. I disagree with the messages. They seem to be of the variety where you must be a little naive or shortsighted to assert them. If you enjoyed her poetry, then that's fine, all I'm saying is that I didn't, even though she does have a nice skill with words.
Man, TEDWomen would be so much better if they showed women implementing programs to aid their cause, stuff like that. I realize the E is entertainment, but this certainly doesn't qualify as that. Instead of saying bad poetry, TEDWomen, try showing us active efforts. I'll bet you won't see the 'misogynist' comments you see here. We're fed up of bleeding hearts doing nothing but bitch and complain. DO SOMETHING, and you'll earn the world's respect;
That their absence fetters further progress as conversations and debates grow stale. The underlying assumptions are that women tend to have a different way of thinking than men, and that diversity of thought will bring about creative solutions to problems. This can also be said of a hypothetical society in which men are historically repressed. Thus, there is nothing anti-man in these premises.
Why do so many assume that if someone says women have specific strengths to bring to the table that this is "sexist" or "anti-man"? No one is advocating that men take a back seat or relinquish social or political power. That is anti-man. Rather, these videos tend to say that there is an imbalance of power, of thoughts and ideas caused by the absence of women in certain circles. That women's presence in academia, professional jobs, and public offices bring a new vitality of discourse.
@Nightriser271828 The problem isn't that they are showing the problem, but just that. They are only showing the problem. Yes we know there are inequalities, this is common knowledge at this point, at least among TED viewers. We like solutions. The men, although not always, tend to offer solutions, or projects they are working on, or new research about why it happens. Just pointing it out does nothing. Its like raising child abuse awareness, we already know it is bad, no awareness needed.
'Ted Sexist Talks' Life, so short To listen to feminazis who wear the prettiest jewels and rejoice in their victimhood. as they live on land their fathers fought for in houses men built. eat food men grow Think feminist, if you can, for animal who died so you can wear that fur coat. Or the black man who died in the mine, to bring you the diamonds on your finger The unsubscibe button beckons, it can stop this propaganda, do I have the strength to press it? to make the world a better place? Yes
TED is also about entertainment. That's what the E is for. Poetry is one form of entertainment, and I thought these poems were great. I don't get this whole mass of thumbing down any TEDWomen conference video. Yes, some are not very good, but I think most who thumb down are only thumbing down because they dislike the idea of TEDWomen. There are so many posts I want to respond to, but I don't have the energy to. Feminism is still relevant and many attitudes on these comments illustrate that.
Why do so many men feel threatened by feminism? It seems every society we know about through all human history has treated women, in some sense, as the property of men. Take a look around the world today and do you see gender equality? No, you certainly don't. I'm a guy and I don't endorse men-bashing at all, but really... is that what's happening here? I gave this video a thumbs down because I don't like the poetry, not because of any particular feminist message.
@MrDarkbloom There is couple problems here. It's simply not true that every society we know about has treated women poorly, let alone as property. We know of several societies in history, which were matriarchal. There are extant African tribes with exclusively female leadership. Even many European cultures worshiped women, before the Catholic Church.
You also can't "take a look around the world" to judge gender equality. It is at different stages in different places.
@MrDarkbloom TEDwomen is a disaster for gender equality. Instead of being a conference to talk about ideas for gender equality, the majority of the talks posted, have been one long string of male bashing garbage. It isn't about finding solutions, it's about assigning blame or talking trash.
They should have called it TEDxgender equality. Then they should have invited a people a balance of Men & Women. Then they would have gotten somewhere.
Great, You can make words fit. It's not hard, I've seen better and I've had the same message over and over again. And frankly I stopped caring because I had no other option. Please put some real stuff on.
I'm not sure when TED started it's feminism phase, but it's getting old quick. I'll grant you that being treated unequally is not fair. But writing a poem about it isn't going to do jack. If women are motivated to join the workforce and make something of themselves, that's great, their struggle is noble. But don't keep looking backwards at the ones that don't make something of themselves, pining for them to represent the demographic in a more positive light. Leave the deadbeats behind.
I'll admit as a guy I'm crap and you women are great ! so please please can we have our old TED back ,I surrender at bad poetry ,please make the poetry stop.
@dissent104 You don't "process" truth "processing" truth is what people do when they're looking to bend a truth to fit in to their "world view" and turn it in to a lie. What is expressed in poetry is feeling and opinion, and it's done so in such an esoteric and piecemeal way that it doesn't give most people even most of the story. There are so much more eloquent and direct methods of expressing one's thoughts without resorting to hiding behind an obfusticating form of "language art".
Good poetry, unfortunately for some reason as a male I have the natural urge to hit the 'dislike' button because it is poetry and a female on TED... I 'liked' it though.
@bluefootedpig Women are underrepresented in the media (and I'm not talking slightly, it's more of a 1 to 9 ratio). They're almost never the pundits featured on the news, on political debates... Despite being more educated
@Riselikethetide Well, if you look at media and the messages sent to children, women are strong independent, and just as tough as a man. Men are given messages that we are to fall in love for a women, let them control men, and that men never grow up, always being boys. Women claim equality, but the message is they want equality where they were under privileged, but want to keep the areas where men are underprivileged. We are talking about social dogma, and pundits is hardly a metric.
@bluefootedpig Women are less than 25% of published journalists, less than 13% of guests on sunday shows, 3% of those with decision-making power in the media. Out of the 435 members of the House, 79 are women, and only 17 of the 100 Senators are women. There was only one female Speaker and we're still waiting for a female President or Vice President. Don't talk about men being underprivileged.
@Riselikethetide I didn't say underprivileged in every area. I said women wanted to be equal in mainly the areas you mentioned, but then in areas like, oh the draft. I don't hear women complaining that they aren't required by law to register for a draft. Do you protest that too? or only the areas women are not equal? That is what I am referring to. In court cases, women get less sentences, in divorce women often come out better than the male. I don't hear women fighting for these inequalities.
@Riselikethetide maybe women do not aspire to these positions because they're not judged on their success ,lol , good luck with your fight against biology ,you've only got 1 billion years of evolution to deal with .
@Riselikethetide TBH I never got why you'd want that in the first place. I'm only 18 but I still have to learn why you'd give up a fine life, watching your kids grow up for some crazy ambition.
@Riselikethetide You mentioned that women are less than 25% of published journalists, would you mind specifying in what field? when you take something like engineering, and only 20% graduating are female, then a 25% publish rate means more women are being published than men. And if published means engineering phds, then your rate is only around 17%. I really do wonder though, where do you get your numbers?
@bluefootedpig Celebrating women is not an attack on men, it is an acknowlegdment of the experiences of women, which so often get ignored. Of course men are special, people are special, but the experiences of some people get projected more than others, thats why its important to have a venue for women's voices to be heard.
@freemefromiowa Well, if you watch TED, many of these women blame men for many things. Men are more risky which lead to the economic collapse was one TEDWomen talk. There are many others, where women blame men for wars, economic collapse, oppression, and many other things.
The main complaint among TED viewers is that we like innovation and solutions. Blaming, or just pointing out a problem is pointless. How did this poem in anyway offer a solution to our any problem?
Poems are for people who are afraid to openly say what they think, so they say it in a way, that leaves you interpreting their words, but they surely know what they said. In my opinion it's just emotional violence and it holds people outside who don't think like you do.
Please continue to post TEDwomen talks... if for no other reason than to help me determine who among your viewers are ridiculous misogynists in hiding. I now have a long list of people I never have to waste a second of my time on.
War isn't all that bad. If you live with the thought of a war-free world you live in an illusion. And do you strive for a war-free world you're striving for an illusion. Nice poem though.
This was quite awesome! It's going to get a LOT of hate though which is unfair. It gets a thumbs up from me anyway.
Don't get me wrong I've some lambasted TEDWomen videos for hijacking important issues for gender politics, reducing them to laughably simplistic concepts or just plain old misandry, and I stand by those comments, but this will get undue criticism. Not everyone who criticises TEDWomen is a misogynist and not every TEDWomen video about women's issues has a misandric punch line!
@GameDevMonkey Maybe we heard different poetry just now. I thought the first peace was beautiful. It seemed to say most, "I will not be your weapon."
The second piece was little false for me. It seemed to say "Woman need to have courage to overcome the male war machine." The wars of this world are not the way they are because of men alone. Women do not embrace peace with any greater readiness than men.
If you got a different message, I'd love to hear it. I'd rather like it.
@t3tsuyaguy1 Oh sure. "which male child will perish a new day, our boys deaths galvanise, we cherish corpses" my reading of this was an acknowledgment of males as death symbols in culture. We're expected to lay down our lives, to die for our families, for our countries. However its not the point of the poem, it is about women affected by violence and war and it's not an indictment of men. I like this because it IS a poem about women and war, it is not about blaming men. It blames humanity.
@GameDevMonkey Hmmmm.....like a flaw in how we deal with conflict? I think I'm getting a picture. More of a challenge to see the lesser side in all of us, so that we can overcome it together. Interesting.
@highway234 Are those anti-woman videos featured by TEDtalksdirector? Most of these videos aren't pro-woman, they are anti-man. When a woman motivates other women not to give up in the face of adversity, that is pro-woman. When a woman stands up and says that women are the answer to worlds ills and the problem is men, that's just sexist garbage.
@highway234 You are asking me to engage in a kind of debate I find childish and intellectually dishonest.
Watch each of the TEDwomen videos in their entirety. Ask yourself honestly if you would accept these talks if the gender pro-nouns were reversed. If, after that, you still think TEDwomen is a good thing, then that's your opinion.
If however, you think pointing out that this woman didn't use the words "the problem is men" invalidates my argument, then you are not a very thorough thinker.
@t3tsuyaguy1 assuming that "switching the gender pronouns" assumes that sexism doesn't exist and never has. but women and men simply don't hold the same position in this culture, and never have. so just "switching the gender positions" tries to erase our culture's history of institutional sexism and misogyny. but that seems to be your agenda, to argue there's no such thing as sexism. well, i just flat-out disagree.
@LiberaLib You have me all wrong. Kudos on your restraint, because someone arguing that there is no such thing as sexism would be the worthy target of a lot of anger.
I am arguing that many of these woman ARE sexist. Just as intelligence does not have a gender, sexism does not have a gender. Women are just as capable of baseless sexism towards men as men are towards women. Some of these women are.
"Switching the pronouns" is meant to illuminate how sexist some of their statements are.
@LiberaLib To suggest that any individual should be held to accountable for historical actions of a group to which that person belongs is the very definition of discrimination. Your comments are misandric and sexist.
She is lucky that she doesn't HAVE to march to the war drum. It's only young men that are conscripted, taken violently from their home and physically and emotionally beaten until they are sent out to die screaming in a foreign field. Thatcher, Mier, Gahndi all women who used male only conscription. This is so self-centered it's offensive.
sirskeptic 1 week ago
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The47890 3 months ago
It's not just a bunch of men who are prepared to accept a violent world so that a small minority can be rich at the expense of the majority. Both genders experience negative emotions such as greed and hate which can lead to war.
DwiteTheSpriteKnight 3 months ago in playlist women poets
She's also saying that she feels that women are hit the hardest by the effects of war so that may be why it seems a little one sided.
lecifbaby 4 months ago
She wasn't man bashing. When she says "man" I'm sure she means it in the general sense. As in mankind. Let's not forget women fight in wars too! She's talking about innocent civilians losing their lives, families ripped apart by war. She's saying she wants no part of it but at the same time there's no hate in her heart. She just wants peace.
lecifbaby 4 months ago
I don't hate women. I just think this is just shitty poetry. And I'm sick of this male bashing world.
AirplaneRadio 5 months ago
fuck the haters - suheir you are a beautiful woman - your poems speak louder than their shit comments ever could - peace
justbreatheify 7 months ago
Some men misinterpret when they hear a women like Suheir speak. We are not against men. We just believe that a different mind set would help this world. The male dominated world has brought war on people and to the Earth. The qualities that women represent are compassion, love, peace etc. What male can argue that these are not what this world needs now. Men, do you want your children's children's children etc. to live in a world of war and pollution or one of peace and clean air?
deesmaz 7 months ago
Great. This should be linked to WAR POEM FOR PEACE by Michael Stone.
Ralphmichaeljames 8 months ago
I love her and I loved her performance.
Does anybody know what happened to Suheir? She has lost so much weight
Gossiptgirl 9 months ago
people, stop hating. this women is beautiful. this is true spoken word.
nattynativekid17 9 months ago
Shes wonderful!!!
folklore 9 months ago
suheir is amazing mashallah im so proud she palestinian like me!
miss3sha87 11 months ago
These things get said a lot, one way or another - But no where near often enough!!
These are actually beautiful......
Tobytrim 11 months ago
Bullshit, thanks TED!
HallounNizar 1 year ago
I liked it. Well spoken., the start was great, and it ended the same way. Poetry is art and many cannot ,or refuse to ,understand it. I am niether ., I can not refuse to try and understand and enjoy.
lencho234 1 year ago
"before form, I was storm"
"don't look for a shadow behind me, i carry it within"
Great stuff, thumbs up, and yeah, I'm male THE END IS NEAR :-o
40Lies 1 year ago 2
Corny!
randikajamai 1 year ago
@randikajamai What would you suggest/do differently?
MDubBeezy 11 months ago
wait, this is called poetry? people like this? this is considered skillful?
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
I actually dug her poetry. Gave this a thumbs up.
Zebarbas 1 year ago
This is a really sad bunch of comments. How is this misandry? Is it because she never really mentions men at all? How many male TED speakers have gone through their entire talk without using a single feminine pronoun? Is that an example of sexism? Is that an example of sexism deserving a huge avalanche of negativity like the ones found on virtually every talk from TEDwomen?
Kojak7snap 1 year ago
This girl is gangster. It shouldn't be on TED, she should be on 8 Mile.
jamestrekky 1 year ago
TED Women? Wow, I lost a whole lot of respect after seeing that. What's next? TED Black, Disabled TED, TED Turner Commuinications Corp. Why not just stick to the original TED with no special target or interest group and just people who want to see other amazing people talk?
anikinippon 1 year ago 2
What a bunch of pacifist's. I like the poem even though she isn't no Jay-Z.
boxcarbouche 1 year ago
I've always disliked this style of poetry. Give me an Emily Dickinson, or a Robert Burns or anything but this poet slam blank verse garbage.
ratholin 1 year ago
Your need for an "alternative" to war shows you have it precisely backwards. Those who advocate war must bear the burden of proof -- and a high burden it is, for you must justify the inevitable violent killing and maiming of innocent women and children. The argument against violence is automatic, whether it's a man brutalizing his wife or a powerful country demolishing a weaker one. The fact that such obvious truisms escape notice is evidence of hubris and an American education.
colemiller56 1 year ago
@colemiller56 You speak of burden of proof. War is not a high-minded discourse. Not a debate. It is the culmination of myriad human impulses and emotions.
Shall that weaker country lay down and die. Shall they entreat peace with people intent on their destruction.
Pacifism is at best a delusion & at worst a lie. A falsehood made possible in the peaceful places that warriors have created at great cost in blood.
We work to make war obsolete. We do not pretend it was never necessary.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
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colemiller56 1 year ago
Could she be anymore annoying ?
ratm2112 1 year ago
I would have liked this, but I met this woman in Rammalla at the cast party for Milh Hadha al-Bahr [Salt of This Sea], I was with her costar and she was a B-E-O-T-C-H to me. Arrogant, tried to belittle me, borderline racist... So
commiepervert 1 year ago
lol. You made my day. Still with all the hate in here including yourself 'kak poetry'.
Shite it my be, I don't know her from Adam but now I like her a little more. Your dizzy flatulence pooped from your supreme bum lacks everything including charm.
You are farting in the wind honey. Kisses. Xxx
ShakespeareAvenue 1 year ago
Beat poetry is okay I don't know why some people have to be so anal despite listening to TED. I liked other speakers better as well and I liked some less...
nesckthe44 1 year ago
What a waste of my data to watch this video!
athlon866 1 year ago
This isn't a bad video because of what her subject matter, it's bad because it's shitty poetry. Plain and simple. Read Woolstonecraft or Plath or Sexton or Barbauld or H.D., but please don't complain about bias when she's just a bad poet.
purv989 1 year ago
GREAT!!!
larutaverde 1 year ago
You people who argue right now didn't hear what she said.
TheNazgulandMacbeth 1 year ago
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Fucking Paki/Indian taxi driver's wife.
FalconFreek 1 year ago
@FalconFreek wow, that was quite eloquent.
glmiri 1 year ago
Women are equal? Just take a look at the dislike bar for this video. Then compare it to that of any other male TED speaker. Surely, not ALL of them are better than this speaker? Yet she is looked down upon because she is speaking about a topic that she is passionate about. A topic that men tire to hear of because that's all women talk about. That attitude of "just another women talking about inequality" is what remains to be a strong issue in our society.
MistressSerenity 1 year ago 36
@MistressSerenity It couldn't just be that people didn't like it. No it's a conspiracy by our male dominated world.
himansku 1 year ago
@himansku really? what didn't you like about it? I'm intrigued.
MistressSerenity 1 year ago
@MistressSerenity I don't appreciate her world view. War is terrible yes, but she fails to offer a solid argument as to any other alternative. It's one thing to say War is bad. Better philosophers than I have said that. And I agree with it. In fact, I'd argue most DO agree with that statement. But it doesn't offer a solution. It's emotion without substance. Elizabeth Lesser talked about seeing from another's point of view in debate. She offered a problem and a solution.
himansku 1 year ago
@himansku I can respect that. I appreciate that you at least supported your opinion with reason. Her poem to me, is just more of an art piece, something to be appreciated but not to be taken too seriously.
MistressSerenity 1 year ago
@MistressSerenity I don't know about the other people who disliked this video, but I disliked it because it is bad poetry, not because of the subject matter.
purv989 1 year ago
@MistressSerenity Yes, ALL of the other TED speakers are better than this speaker. She is looked down upon not because of her gender, but because a poetry reading does not meet the standards that we have come to expect for an intelligent TED presentation. I mean, what's next? Interpretive dance?!
lemonrind 1 year ago
@lemonrind Really? Your taste in poetry is so cultivated that if anyone appreciates poetry that is not up to par with your standards, they appreciate shitty poetry. Many words come to mind but contemptuous sums up what you are to perfection.
MistressSerenity 1 year ago
@MistressSerenity Sorry. That's just bullshit. Take a look at Liza Donnelly, or Cynthia Breazell, or Ali Char-Chellman. Examine their like/dislike ratio if you please.
She isn't being attacked because she is talking about equality. She is getting thumbs down, because they don't like her poems.
TEDwomen isn't getting a massive hate-on because "Men" are tired of "just another women talking about inequality". It's because those of us who believe in equality are tired of being talked down to.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@MistressSerenity Really reflect for a moment. Do you often find yourself talking about "men" as an all-inclusive group? Does that give you pause at all?
I ask because if I say "Women need to stop complaining about things they already have," my insides curl a little bit. They curl because that's bullshit. "Women" don't need to stop doing anything. "Women" aren't a homogeneous group with a unified agenda. Neither are "Men".
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@MistressSerenity Men don't like hearing about gender inequality, because they might have to give up some of their privilege.
sikok93453 10 months ago 4
@sikok93453 You are one stupid bitch aren't you..? Women only want the privilages of equality and no consequences. One thing you stupid women need to understand is that we are not equal at all!! Name me one thing that women have done (technology-wise)..? Women don't deserve equality because they're dumb. Oh and women are more privilaged when it comes ot the law. Ever heard of casey anthony..? She got away with murdering her kid, but if it was a man he would be locked up with no proof needed.
jayc342009 7 months ago
@jayc342009 one: I'm not a woman
two: Marie Curie
three: Casey Anthony was found not guilty by a jury of her peers - if there isn't equality in that department, then OJ Simpson would have gotten away with killing his wife. herpa derp
four: TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
sikok93453 7 months ago 4
@sikok93453 You're a fucking wimp for defending women. A disgrace to men.
jayc342009 7 months ago
@jayc342009 and you're a virgin
sikok93453 7 months ago
@sikok93453 u owned his ass.
di3happy 7 months ago
screw TED x Woman. just talking shit about us guys all day long...
pinochska 1 year ago
Great message from these pieces. Loved it. However, everyone are people. Women are people and men are people. I tend to dislike it when people focus on the "woman's side of an arguement" because it saddens me that the distinction must be made clear. When people are hurt or in bad situations, it doesn't matter whether they are male or female. Everyone is wronged when violence happens.
Trengo34 1 year ago
i love how every upload that has anything remotely to do with women or feminisim (or even nothing) is considered bad. and people try to argue that women have complete equal standing in the first world... psh-ha!
xXBarbeloXx 1 year ago
@xXBarbeloXx well said..
Th3Wab3 1 year ago
Okay now someone tell me... What the Hell is Amy Winehouse doing on TED?
daniel93382 1 year ago
I wonder how many thumbs down votes are american? All? Hm...
In all cultures poets where respected as seers. Once. Before you flame me when was the last time you bought or even read a poem?
Fear the unexploded. I agree.
Xxx
ShakespeareAvenue 1 year ago
@ShakespeareAvenue She's a shitty poet. If you think it's good, then your taste is in shitty poetry.
purv989 1 year ago
@ 3:27 Holy fuck a guy! Fuck what the hell is going on?! I thought they went extinct during the great boxing wars of superbowl cheetohs!
All jokes aside, I am neutral to the pacifist stance. I understand that violence is necessary in many instances, but we need to be careful. More people need a "violence is wrong" mindset, and that need a larger nation overpowering a smaller one and giving it a stable government.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
To sum up: (wo)men are in a state of being uninformed.
MargusMartsepp 1 year ago
IGNANT
geragna 1 year ago
ok...
Mat2DaW 1 year ago
male violence is a product of natural selection, if there were only females a strong form of violence would rise as well .
TheCHRM2 1 year ago
A pro-peace speaker? What a travesty! We should hate whomever the New York Times and CNN say we should hate.
tantzer 1 year ago
@tantzer Yo dats IGNANT... yo
geragna 1 year ago
love this poem. I cried. Expresses me deep feelings. thank you.
reafdaw01 1 year ago
I'm not sure if I'm the only one, and I'm not saying this woman is the only one who does it but the way she reads poems is so irritating and tacky.
gejwaites 1 year ago
Well, that was a load of brown, arse water!
whoareyoutalkingto1 1 year ago
3:23 ohhh shit, what did I just sign up for.
creamypouf8 1 year ago
urban poetry is just awful... blah blah blah bla...blah-blah, blah-blah...blah-blah (insert stuff about struggling against "the man").
eenkjet 1 year ago
I dislike this. Indeed, this rhetoric is passionate and appeals to our emotions very well. But behind it I see a very skewed view of the world. A male war machine, where sprinkling estrogen on the government buildings of the world causes war to vanish, and middle/upper class people can stop it by feeling pacifistic.
I do not see beauty in this view. I see simplistic and misleading rhetoric, too vague to have substance. How about we discuss real causes of war, like poverty?
Jotto999 1 year ago
@Jotto999 I would rather take this as art. It would be to much to ask for poetry and solutions. She expresses a view of the world which you don't have to share but it is nontheless good to hear.
reafdaw01 1 year ago
@reafdaw01 Not necessarily solutions, but art has messages, and it does reveal about the artist. I disagree with the messages. They seem to be of the variety where you must be a little naive or shortsighted to assert them. If you enjoyed her poetry, then that's fine, all I'm saying is that I didn't, even though she does have a nice skill with words.
Jotto999 1 year ago
ted talks = chick fest.
De4sher 1 year ago
'fear the unexploded'? is that a threat?
iscariottttt 1 year ago
Man, TEDWomen would be so much better if they showed women implementing programs to aid their cause, stuff like that. I realize the E is entertainment, but this certainly doesn't qualify as that. Instead of saying bad poetry, TEDWomen, try showing us active efforts. I'll bet you won't see the 'misogynist' comments you see here. We're fed up of bleeding hearts doing nothing but bitch and complain. DO SOMETHING, and you'll earn the world's respect;
DirectInjected 1 year ago
that was terrible.
LongbowGirl 1 year ago
She's pretty though
audiowiz 1 year ago
Im not sure whether I like this or not.
Tradd9 1 year ago
leave the rapping to Jay-z
RetardedFishyX 1 year ago 2
That their absence fetters further progress as conversations and debates grow stale. The underlying assumptions are that women tend to have a different way of thinking than men, and that diversity of thought will bring about creative solutions to problems. This can also be said of a hypothetical society in which men are historically repressed. Thus, there is nothing anti-man in these premises.
Nightriser271828 1 year ago
Why do so many assume that if someone says women have specific strengths to bring to the table that this is "sexist" or "anti-man"? No one is advocating that men take a back seat or relinquish social or political power. That is anti-man. Rather, these videos tend to say that there is an imbalance of power, of thoughts and ideas caused by the absence of women in certain circles. That women's presence in academia, professional jobs, and public offices bring a new vitality of discourse.
Nightriser271828 1 year ago 3
@Nightriser271828 The problem isn't that they are showing the problem, but just that. They are only showing the problem. Yes we know there are inequalities, this is common knowledge at this point, at least among TED viewers. We like solutions. The men, although not always, tend to offer solutions, or projects they are working on, or new research about why it happens. Just pointing it out does nothing. Its like raising child abuse awareness, we already know it is bad, no awareness needed.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
I could not listen to this, I hate poetry.
johncrab67 1 year ago
She has a beautiful soul and a golden heart. And that makes her even more beautiful.
lamdawave 1 year ago
Once again a women attempts to show of her Vagina to us. Tedsexist women suck
cray32 1 year ago
I saw this woman on Def Poetry Jams...she's fuckin awesome.
alexandeu 1 year ago
Andybaby 1 year ago
This is silly....
They are only subsidising themselves by having a TEDwomen....
heeh2 1 year ago
it started legit, but went bad quickly!
p.s. its not that TED cant find good women speakers /poets. its that no one with a brain would be a feminist!
kamyarghofrani 1 year ago
it started legit, but went bad quickly!
kamyarghofrani 1 year ago
Seriously ted? I don't mind ted women, it was good to see the world through a feminist perspective, but this is utter bullshit.
rodders153 1 year ago
you dont have to dance to the war drum because you dont have to sign up for the draft
i7q 1 year ago
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globaldiscordia 1 year ago
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globaldiscordia 1 year ago
bad poetry, bad attempt at making a point.
p.s.: fuck TEDwomen.
p.s.2.: fuckin sexists.
KilluaXIII 1 year ago
I didn't feel she was being anti-man. I think she just likes poetry.
sciukie23 1 year ago
Is the blond woman with short hair in the audience the chick from So You Think You Can Dance?
sciukie23 1 year ago
Complete and utter garbage. Its time to stop swaying the scales because of the trash that our ancestors did and actually treat genders as equals.
If I see one more uninspired, unoriginal, uninformative piece of feminist propaganda coming from this channel, I'm unsubscribing.
jackstorm777 1 year ago
@jackstorm777 What about this was sexist? Sure TEDwomen smells of sexism but where is it in this presentation?
reafdaw01 1 year ago
TED is also about entertainment. That's what the E is for. Poetry is one form of entertainment, and I thought these poems were great. I don't get this whole mass of thumbing down any TEDWomen conference video. Yes, some are not very good, but I think most who thumb down are only thumbing down because they dislike the idea of TEDWomen. There are so many posts I want to respond to, but I don't have the energy to. Feminism is still relevant and many attitudes on these comments illustrate that.
zmgnowai 1 year ago 2
Poetry? You're really scraping the bottom of the intellectual barrel here.
lemonrind 1 year ago 2
Another man hating cunt holding men responsible because couldn't get what she wanted in life.
PsySwitch1983 1 year ago
Why do so many men feel threatened by feminism? It seems every society we know about through all human history has treated women, in some sense, as the property of men. Take a look around the world today and do you see gender equality? No, you certainly don't. I'm a guy and I don't endorse men-bashing at all, but really... is that what's happening here? I gave this video a thumbs down because I don't like the poetry, not because of any particular feminist message.
MrDarkbloom 1 year ago 3
@MrDarkbloom There is couple problems here. It's simply not true that every society we know about has treated women poorly, let alone as property. We know of several societies in history, which were matriarchal. There are extant African tribes with exclusively female leadership. Even many European cultures worshiped women, before the Catholic Church.
You also can't "take a look around the world" to judge gender equality. It is at different stages in different places.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@MrDarkbloom TEDwomen is a disaster for gender equality. Instead of being a conference to talk about ideas for gender equality, the majority of the talks posted, have been one long string of male bashing garbage. It isn't about finding solutions, it's about assigning blame or talking trash.
They should have called it TEDxgender equality. Then they should have invited a people a balance of Men & Women. Then they would have gotten somewhere.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago 8
I'd rather hear some "Raphael De La Ghetto". You wnat REAl poetry read some George Elliott Clarke. That's the good stuff!
stevenaudet 1 year ago
Where are the bongos? I know there are some around there somewhere...
HayteTank 1 year ago
Great, You can make words fit. It's not hard, I've seen better and I've had the same message over and over again. And frankly I stopped caring because I had no other option. Please put some real stuff on.
ForYeensSake 1 year ago
I'm not sure when TED started it's feminism phase, but it's getting old quick. I'll grant you that being treated unequally is not fair. But writing a poem about it isn't going to do jack. If women are motivated to join the workforce and make something of themselves, that's great, their struggle is noble. But don't keep looking backwards at the ones that don't make something of themselves, pining for them to represent the demographic in a more positive light. Leave the deadbeats behind.
ArgueExplain 1 year ago
i have a feeling about 70 percent of the audience doesnt even enjoy this but they just support it because they're a woman
kiddhitta 1 year ago
Dear Ms sour nickers
I'll admit as a guy I'm crap and you women are great ! so please please can we have our old TED back ,I surrender at bad poetry ,please make the poetry stop.
sausage4mash 1 year ago
Once again TEDgina
shadman1911 1 year ago
@dissent104 You don't "process" truth "processing" truth is what people do when they're looking to bend a truth to fit in to their "world view" and turn it in to a lie. What is expressed in poetry is feeling and opinion, and it's done so in such an esoteric and piecemeal way that it doesn't give most people even most of the story. There are so much more eloquent and direct methods of expressing one's thoughts without resorting to hiding behind an obfusticating form of "language art".
Arcus2658 1 year ago 2
Lesbian anti-male hypocrisy. Other than that nice poem
Brandonduboff 1 year ago
Translation: No pussy for you tonight!
RareAirSupply 1 year ago
Good poetry, unfortunately for some reason as a male I have the natural urge to hit the 'dislike' button because it is poetry and a female on TED... I 'liked' it though.
jungenbum 1 year ago
Wow, this is what has become of poetry...
faraz1729 1 year ago
Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums*
Verokomo 1 year ago
Amazing Woman ... My Hero <3
nourtaibah 1 year ago
nice, but someone should tell her about Invisalign
ameera14 1 year ago
So when is TEDMen going to be on? or does TED only support women as being special?
bluefootedpig 1 year ago 82
@bluefootedpig Women are underrepresented in the media (and I'm not talking slightly, it's more of a 1 to 9 ratio). They're almost never the pundits featured on the news, on political debates... Despite being more educated
Riselikethetide 1 year ago
@Riselikethetide Well, if you look at media and the messages sent to children, women are strong independent, and just as tough as a man. Men are given messages that we are to fall in love for a women, let them control men, and that men never grow up, always being boys. Women claim equality, but the message is they want equality where they were under privileged, but want to keep the areas where men are underprivileged. We are talking about social dogma, and pundits is hardly a metric.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig Women are less than 25% of published journalists, less than 13% of guests on sunday shows, 3% of those with decision-making power in the media. Out of the 435 members of the House, 79 are women, and only 17 of the 100 Senators are women. There was only one female Speaker and we're still waiting for a female President or Vice President. Don't talk about men being underprivileged.
Riselikethetide 1 year ago
@Riselikethetide I didn't say underprivileged in every area. I said women wanted to be equal in mainly the areas you mentioned, but then in areas like, oh the draft. I don't hear women complaining that they aren't required by law to register for a draft. Do you protest that too? or only the areas women are not equal? That is what I am referring to. In court cases, women get less sentences, in divorce women often come out better than the male. I don't hear women fighting for these inequalities.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@Riselikethetide maybe women do not aspire to these positions because they're not judged on their success ,lol , good luck with your fight against biology ,you've only got 1 billion years of evolution to deal with .
sausage4mash 1 year ago
@Riselikethetide TBH I never got why you'd want that in the first place. I'm only 18 but I still have to learn why you'd give up a fine life, watching your kids grow up for some crazy ambition.
ForYeensSake 1 year ago
@Riselikethetide You mentioned that women are less than 25% of published journalists, would you mind specifying in what field? when you take something like engineering, and only 20% graduating are female, then a 25% publish rate means more women are being published than men. And if published means engineering phds, then your rate is only around 17%. I really do wonder though, where do you get your numbers?
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig Celebrating women is not an attack on men, it is an acknowlegdment of the experiences of women, which so often get ignored. Of course men are special, people are special, but the experiences of some people get projected more than others, thats why its important to have a venue for women's voices to be heard.
freemefromiowa 1 year ago
@freemefromiowa Well, if you watch TED, many of these women blame men for many things. Men are more risky which lead to the economic collapse was one TEDWomen talk. There are many others, where women blame men for wars, economic collapse, oppression, and many other things.
The main complaint among TED viewers is that we like innovation and solutions. Blaming, or just pointing out a problem is pointless. How did this poem in anyway offer a solution to our any problem?
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig TEDMen? Oh, wait, hasn't that been the past few millennia? Of course, I'm speaking metaphorically.
Nightriser271828 1 year ago
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@bluefootedpig
Don't you know Men are the root cause of all the evil in the world? You obviously haven't taken enough feminist courses.
Mrmoc7 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig Men anything is sexist just like white anything is racist.
Khyrid 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig idiot comment
twistedbass15 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig lol
Dpesh7 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig No one ever answers this question! I want my special rights now! Because I have a penis and I need everyone's attention!
geragna 1 year ago
Poems are for people who are afraid to openly say what they think, so they say it in a way, that leaves you interpreting their words, but they surely know what they said. In my opinion it's just emotional violence and it holds people outside who don't think like you do.
Only my opinion.
OnsenEx 1 year ago 2
@OnsenEx Look everyone... some random fuckhead on the internet completely pwned every poet ever.
Idiot.
jussts 1 year ago
Dear TED,
Please continue to post TEDwomen talks... if for no other reason than to help me determine who among your viewers are ridiculous misogynists in hiding. I now have a long list of people I never have to waste a second of my time on.
jussts 1 year ago
Phoebz.. :D
Smelly caaat.. smelllyyy cat.. what are they feeding you?!
arlingo 1 year ago
@arlingo Kidding, I actually shed a tear..
So proud of my Muslim sister.
arlingo 1 year ago
Suheir Hammad is one of the great poets of our generation.
vexgodglove 1 year ago
War isn't all that bad. If you live with the thought of a war-free world you live in an illusion. And do you strive for a war-free world you're striving for an illusion. Nice poem though.
dasdafoij 1 year ago
@dasdafoij
You're insane.
If that is the limit of your hope for humanity, then that's pretty sad. John Lennon is turning over in his grave.
leisulin 1 year ago
im sorry but its lame what is she trying to read out loud alot of our sociaty problems? ...or did i missunderstand something ? ....
sashakid 1 year ago
This was quite awesome! It's going to get a LOT of hate though which is unfair. It gets a thumbs up from me anyway.
Don't get me wrong I've some lambasted TEDWomen videos for hijacking important issues for gender politics, reducing them to laughably simplistic concepts or just plain old misandry, and I stand by those comments, but this will get undue criticism. Not everyone who criticises TEDWomen is a misogynist and not every TEDWomen video about women's issues has a misandric punch line!
GameDevMonkey 1 year ago 2
@GameDevMonkey Maybe we heard different poetry just now. I thought the first peace was beautiful. It seemed to say most, "I will not be your weapon."
The second piece was little false for me. It seemed to say "Woman need to have courage to overcome the male war machine." The wars of this world are not the way they are because of men alone. Women do not embrace peace with any greater readiness than men.
If you got a different message, I'd love to hear it. I'd rather like it.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 Oh sure. "which male child will perish a new day, our boys deaths galvanise, we cherish corpses" my reading of this was an acknowledgment of males as death symbols in culture. We're expected to lay down our lives, to die for our families, for our countries. However its not the point of the poem, it is about women affected by violence and war and it's not an indictment of men. I like this because it IS a poem about women and war, it is not about blaming men. It blames humanity.
GameDevMonkey 1 year ago 2
@GameDevMonkey Hmmmm.....like a flaw in how we deal with conflict? I think I'm getting a picture. More of a challenge to see the lesser side in all of us, so that we can overcome it together. Interesting.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
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endofthecosmos 1 year ago
I feel as though she sometimes believes she's a prophet or something
joekimusic 1 year ago
did she just call out all of TED ??
joekimusic 1 year ago
Why the hell didnt my unsubscription work after the last pro-woman video...Unsubbed, again!
jgrimmier 1 year ago
@jgrimmier damned pro-woman videos!
you know, pal, anti-woman videos are pretty easy to find. happy shopping.
highway234 1 year ago 2
@highway234 Are those anti-woman videos featured by TEDtalksdirector? Most of these videos aren't pro-woman, they are anti-man. When a woman motivates other women not to give up in the face of adversity, that is pro-woman. When a woman stands up and says that women are the answer to worlds ills and the problem is men, that's just sexist garbage.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago 47
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LiberaLib 1 year ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 please show me exactly where she said "the problem is men." i'm gonna need an exact time code.
highway234 1 year ago 3
@highway234 You are asking me to engage in a kind of debate I find childish and intellectually dishonest.
Watch each of the TEDwomen videos in their entirety. Ask yourself honestly if you would accept these talks if the gender pro-nouns were reversed. If, after that, you still think TEDwomen is a good thing, then that's your opinion.
If however, you think pointing out that this woman didn't use the words "the problem is men" invalidates my argument, then you are not a very thorough thinker.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 assuming that "switching the gender pronouns" assumes that sexism doesn't exist and never has. but women and men simply don't hold the same position in this culture, and never have. so just "switching the gender positions" tries to erase our culture's history of institutional sexism and misogyny. but that seems to be your agenda, to argue there's no such thing as sexism. well, i just flat-out disagree.
LiberaLib 1 year ago
@LiberaLib You have me all wrong. Kudos on your restraint, because someone arguing that there is no such thing as sexism would be the worthy target of a lot of anger.
I am arguing that many of these woman ARE sexist. Just as intelligence does not have a gender, sexism does not have a gender. Women are just as capable of baseless sexism towards men as men are towards women. Some of these women are.
"Switching the pronouns" is meant to illuminate how sexist some of their statements are.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@LiberaLib Sexism is very real, and one of the most destructive forces in our history. It must be opposed, regardless of the perpetrator's gender.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@LiberaLib To suggest that any individual should be held to accountable for historical actions of a group to which that person belongs is the very definition of discrimination. Your comments are misandric and sexist.
lemonrind 1 year ago
@highway234 You see, you ma