I've been in chiropractic practice for 20 years, see 500 pv/week with 50 new patients/month, adjust babies to geriatrics. Not only does chiropractic help more effficiently and safely than medicine. However, unlike medicine, it's based in scence. Only 15% of medicine has scientific research to back its claims. You medics out there, when deleting pharmaceutical company "Junk Science", you got nothing! Get thee to a doctor of chiropractic (DC), who will help the body heal its self. ADIO!
you are a chiro QUACK tor , practicing Chiro QUACK tic care ?
Chiropractic is Nothing but a bunch of unscientific asinine nonsense and obvious Quackery , Chiropractors are spreading all over America like cock roaches in massive #s yet we have more people in Pain due to structural issues than ever before !
i have lots of experience with Chiro Quack tic care and most of it is pure Quackery bs
you would have to wonder how the budget for this was mustered up when they would not even consider putting the money to work on a chiropractic research project. I can confirm some babies stop crying when adjusted. I can demonstrate. I dont have the money to prove it. I just do it. Put your money into something constructive.
Parents whose children I have treated refer others. I do not advertise it.
Just Ask yourself one question, pseudosceptics: who has the monopoly on treating colic?
The person who made this video needs to take a long hard look at themself in the mirror. As the Buddha said: Every action,thought and deed should be motivated by loving, kindness, gentleness and compassion. Obviously not what I would call a peaceful mind. Rather disturbing. Maybe you should go and see a chiropractor and get adjusted.....or.....maybe not!!!
you cannot treat people in the REAL world with a cook book. Studies are a guide and a more reliable source in order to make better decisions in treatment. Clinicians know this. "Non clinicians ....well, you just don't see it. Keep an open mind yo.
Being a skeptic and not knowing much about chiropractic, I decided to see what "evidence" exists. First, it's well-proven that spinal adjustments do nothing for colic, and non-back issues.
It is also dangerous in some number of cases, so you can't dismiss it as being "harmless."
The only halfway-legit information I could find about its efficacy on back pain is that the effect is "modest" and that chiropractic should be done in conjunction with REAL treatments.
I invite you to come spend 1 week in my office, then you would know. I also guarantee you will never take me up on that. If you were honestly concerned with what it is we do & it's efficacy, you would make efforts outside of cyberland. Real ife action is concerably harder than anonymous insult. Its often the people that know too little that say too much and there is no doubt in my mind you fit that profile.
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@abbiejfox How in the hell is someone supposed to judge the efficacy of the treatment by observing individual, non-blinded cases without any control group?
"I want everyone who only has anecdotal evidence to leave the room."
Ahem...that's you.
@your other comment ("As for me standing on the shoulders of our MD's I can promise you I'm side-by-side"): If you were accepted to medical school but chose to join the circus instead, would that mean that the circus has an equally valid philosophy of patient care? It's not about you; you may be very smart. It's about the scientific rigor of your field, and THAT is not on par with medicine.
My friends that remained and I frequently compare education and I've often had the opportunity to inform them of gaps in their knowledge. I spoke with one, immediately after finishing the respiratory portion of his education, still didnt know what a bleb was. We can go round after round, but you waste my time. You are closed minded and I pray that you never have a condition that is best suited for chiropractic treatment, cause you will go without and be miserable.
As for me standing on the shoulders of our MD's I can promise you I'm side-by-side. Contrary to your belief, I chose chiropractic. I was accepted to pharmacy school decided against. I earned my pre-med degree and spent 2 and 1/2 years in molecular physiology research laboratories studying cancer, spent 6 years in pharmacies learning everything I could about drugs for future patient care. Was accepted and started med school and decided against.
Doctors, of any kind, should listen to their patients goals and treat accordingly to improve their ailments keeping in mind what the person wants, hence nutritional counseling, life-style changes and advise which HAS impacted her life for the positive that (regardless of what level of medical professional could have told her the same thing) her MD was neglegent to do & chose instead over a dozen drugs to prescribe.
I'd be thrilled to know what credentials are behind your name, that make you even moderately aware of the ins and outs of patient care. After all my years of education I assure you I have no delusiions about the nature of human physiology. I do not charge for nutritional couseling and I haven't adjusted the lady that is under my care in an effort to come off of her medications.
@chiropractic47 It's hilarious, you're fellow chiropractors must be so embarrassed with you. anyone coming here for a view of chiropractors must be getting a fabulous view with messages like "jerko" "sucked of judges" and "fuck face". I actually pity your colleagues, their main representative here makes them look like a bunch of 5 year olds who make things up and abuse people when they're challenged. Thanks for making things so clear. Oh, and you are, comprehesively, a liar.
@thistlesdm You just lied; I'm not a liar. LOL! When ever I feel the urge to take a piss I come to this video...It's not respectful thus desrves no respect. My collegues are my fans and are happy to see one of their very own and a successful chiropractic doctor poop on your party of pill popping, needle jabbing, scalpel wielding medi-pharma reps. Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 I accuse you point blank of being a liar, it is a verifiable fact, a concept I appreciate you are not familiar with.. You say you have inside knowledge of the British legal system. You say Simon Singh "sucked of the judge" (actually there were 3 who all found the BCA to have no evidence, he must have been busy) If you're not a liar, sue me.
victory to Simon Singh - not even Britain's appaling libel laws can now prevent people stating the truth of the total lack of evidence for chiropractic. An i still await chiropractic47 prmosed denunciation of the BCA when he claimed he "knew" that Singh's appeal would be dismissed and would denounce the BCA if it wasn't.
As a chiropractor I had to admit this was funny. Unfortunately, there is some truth to the idea that our research is still in its infancy. However, a search of PubMed for "Chiropractic infantile colic" actually yields 19 papers, including the most recent that suggests long term benefits of chiropractic on infants with colic. Other RCTs showed chiropractic was better than dimethicone...none involved a "just holding the baby" control group; but it was pretty funny, even if misleading.
@thistlesdm In the last RCT by Olafsdottir et al, while there was no statistical difference, a greater percentage of chiropractic treated babies than placebo treated babies had improvement; in an earlier trial by Wiberg et al, chiropractic was more effective than dimethicone after one week and after two weeks. Go to PubMed to check this out before saying there is no evidence. RL
@RobLeach I am familiar with the evidence and the complete intellectual demolition of the credibility of all the studies that chirpractors refer to. And I just love the way you say "while there was no statistical difference" as if that is a trivial matter rather than the heart of evidence.
@thistlesdm Kindly tell me where is the Hitler video highlighting the lack of benefits of Dimethicone over chiropractic? Yet at least here in the states this drug is still widely used instead of gentle chiropractic procedures. I certainly agree there is only weak evidence supporting chiropractic; the fact is we don't have large pharmaceuticals funding our research, so we wind up with small scale trials that suffer from Type II error (i.e., no statistical sig; not enough subjects).
@RobLeach You brought up dimethicone, it's a distraction, the debate here long ago ceased to be about the video, it's a joke. Those of us who care about evidence are equally happy to criticise drugs and drugs companies when there is no evidence for their claims, as there certainly isn't with dimethicone. Sad if it is still widely used, but most family doctors in the UK advise parents not to bother, but that is irrelevant to the debate on chiropractic, other than them both being evidence free.
@RobLeach Oh and before you accuse people of not knowing studies and citing them in defence of chirpractic, please familiarise yourself with them. Olafsdottir et al's conclusion "Chiropractic spinal manipulation is no more effective than placebo in the treatment of infantile colic." That is what they found, that is the evidence, thanks for highlighting it.
@thistlesdm Rather than going through this debate with you all day (I have patients waiting, willing to see a quack:), I will refer you to Moerman and Jonas (2002), and Moerman's prior work: he argues some research may involve nothing more than testing one placebo against another. Since study groups are so large, they increase the probability that a sample can be found that responds to one placebo over another. Where's that Hitler video?
@RobLeach Classic. a) cite a study as evidence of your position. b) have it pointed out that this study categorically refutes evidence for your position. c) criticise aforementioned study that you cited as being methodologically flawed. Can we also stop this "poor chiropractic" thing. Chiropractic is a multi million pound industry that could easily afford research. The hundreds of thousands it has just spent trying to bully Simon Singh could have funded a useful study.
@thistlesdm Actually I don't think I referred to the study as being methodologically flawed, but merely tried to point out the dichotomy between searching for statistically significant versus clinically meaningful differences; with 168 characters remaining I find myself responding in sound bytes:) I do not ask you to "pity chiropractic" but rather I ENCOURAGE you to point out outrageous claims my colleagues may make. Understand, however, science (videos)should equally apply to pharmaceuticals.RL
@RobLeach Fair enough Rob, and am happy to say you seem much more balanced than most of your colleagues here. I would also point out (and what most of your collegues seem to miss) is that most of us concerned about chiropractic are indeed equally scathing of the many dubious, anti scientific activities of drug company's and other mainstream medicine. (Ben Goldacre for instance, scathing of both). I do however say that medicines ability to accept evidence based criticism is much, much healthier.
@servorules No...experiment876 is the Hitler lover. 9pt9 is a hero to the people! We respect 9pt9 for his courageous despiction of a mad man trying to disenfranchise, as does medicine and pharma.
@chiropractic47 so............ basically, if someone says what you want to hear then they get to be a hero but if they use the same medium to say something you dont like then theyre a Hitler lover.
Well Im sure Hitler would love your line of reasoning, its right out of the fascist play book.
Havent you ever heard of online porn? Give it a try man, you spend way to much time posting about chiropractic...... I think you need a break
@chiropractic47 I'm convinced you're actually a seven year old now. "U-suck Hitler's tally wacker"? Really? I'm floored someone let you into college, albeit a fake one.
@chiropractic47 You talk like that and at the same time honestly wonder why chiropractors aren't taken seriously as actual medical professionals? Really?
@sleepcity Shit for brains! Chiropractic is separate and distinct from medicine; thus chiropractic doctors...the largest group of holistic primary care doctors...are not medical professionals...you know? Medicine killed 800,000+ Americans last year...who wants a part of that? Fuk no! Chiripractic Now!
@chiropractic47 Still awaiting your promised denunciation of the BCA given Simon Singh's fabulous victory for truth despte your "insider knowledge" that his appeal would be rejected? When will you admit you were talking nonsense and condemn the BCA as you promised.
@chiropractic47 God you make this easy by proving what a fool you are. So you confirm you'r own declaration that if what you said wasn't true that you are full of bullshit, and then, beautiful irony, you engage in some clear cut libel. You couldn't make it easier to demonstrate the utter ridiculousness of your position by lying (it that's not true, sue me) and then making outrageous claims that libel Simon Singh AND the judge. Oh I look forward to you suing me in front of Mr Justice Eady, liar.
@thistlesdm Jerko, for now your girly demeanure is just enough entertainment for me. I surely would appreciate it that sometime in the near future you would defend yourself as a "Real" man. Make an appointment with a "Real Doctor"...a chiropractic doctor...girly man. Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 Did you actually just chalenge me to a fight, absolutely hilarious? I can just see it now. MD presents report in the Lancet on cancer treatment. Colleague doesn't like ti and challenges him to "defend himself like a real man". Oh no, actually they would challenge the evidence and then the other person would respond professionally.
@thistlesdm Me? Challenge you to a fight??? Uhh, I don't hit girls. MD's "treat" cancer? Or do they battle the body? Which is the one putz-face? Chiropractic helps the body balance itsself as a means to destroy cancer cells and prevent their proliferation with; spinal adjustments and lifestyle counseling (think everything, including the elimination of drugs). Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 yea smart guy, what about that "insider knowledge" of yours about Simon Singh... or was that just you "innate intelligence" talking?
You cant hind you odvious shame and humiliation forever!
Simon Singh (and truth and justice and science and rationality) kicked chiropractics ignorant ass, now humbly beg for forgiveness and I might respect you in the morning.
@servorules Simon lost his fight against chiropractic...by other means. He's presently dealing with his scandalous affair with one of his former male students. His type almost always vent their confusion upon those he secretly admires. Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 ooooh... sorry, not nearly good enough... I expected so much better from you.
Tell me that the BCA hasnt taken a huge black eye with their little PR blunder, I dont think theres anyone left in England that still has any respect for them.
Your nothing but a fucking fascist for supporting their attempted supression of free speak. You and Hitler would get along just fine.
@servorules shmuck! We don't care wether the British court un-hung Singh's balls. His initial determination of guilt humbled him deeply...A lesson to him and skeptics alike. Chiropractic Now!
@servorules Are you suggesting that if I sleep with you I'll be respected in the morning? Simon get ya "Singhing"? look you fag! If we were in the same room you'd be eating your own balls with fava beans and a cheap chianti. Me alpha male...you pussy. Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 Ad hominem is the best you can do? Thanks for acknowledging that chiropractic is not medicine. I'm glad you are honest enough to admit it. Now you just need to go back to math class and learn some basic risk/benefit analysis. "Chiripractic" indeed.
@sleepcity Sorry Ad hominem is the best I can do for "you". By choice, chiropractic refuses to be in the same bed as medicine. We know what to expect from our observations of the osteopaths, a dying profession. Why would the largest holistic health care profession and the fastest growing primary care doctor wish to be enjoined with an allopathic profession that is intricately linked to 800,000+ American deaths per year? (Gary Null, PhD.. et al.)
@chiropractic47 you keep quoting Gary Null as some sort of expert, I googled his name and he claims HIV doesnt even cause AIDS, you can expect to even be taken seriously with that kind of thing... I mean thats really sick when you think about it, you should seriously apologize.
Is that the kind of crap they teach you in chiropractic school?
@chiropractic47 sorry but the last time I checked the DO's had opened something like 10-12 new schools in the past 20 years... thats a lot more than chiropractors. If anything they are growing by leaps and bounds. How many new chiropractic schools have opened up recently?
You just want to be called primary care doctors so that some i nsurances will pay you better, not because you think anyone actually believes that you really are.
@chiropractic47 if your a primary care doc Im the lord of the flys.
Chiropractors cant do shit for people with heart disease or pneumonia or AIDS by themselves, they NEED real doctors. All a chirorpactor can do is a little song and dance about subluxations and innatte intellegence and magic healing fairys.
You never answered for your Gary Null citation... shame on you!
Chiropractors ARE "real" doctors. We can do something for those with heart disease and AIDS. We DO open lines of communication from the brain to the body, but we don't stop there. I am currently treating a patient with obesity, congestive heart failure, diabetes, high blood pressure, and hyperlipidemia. I work with her to change her diet, take off the extra weight, increase her endurance to allow her to exercise, and add supplements which affect the body just as much as traditional meds.
@abbiejfox OK... he honest... take 2 identical patients just like the one you mention. 1 is treated ONLY by an MD, the other is treated ONLY by a chiro... which is likely to live longer... be honest.
We both know that you contributions outside of Rx (insulin, beta blocker/ACE, statin, ect.) are maginal beyond basic nutritional counseling that she could get through a nurse educator.
P.S. My patient is down 20lbs, her latest blood work showed drops in LDL's, VLDL's and triglyceride levels, she has needed less insulin daily, and is now able to exercise for 10+ minutes daily......all this accomplished 2 months....something her MD DID NOT achieve in over 3 years of treating her, even with her being on 13 medicines.
@abbiejfox what a total shocker... an obese person loses 20lb and their insulin requirement/LDL/trigs decrease.
Surely your not claiming that you spinal adjustments did shit to appreciably decrease her wt... again, diet/exersize alone that an MA/LVN could supervise are responsible for that beyond basic/standard of care pharmacotherapy that is lost on you.
How much are you administrations adding to the already catastrophic cost of her chronic disease state management?
@abbiejfox at the end of the day your no different than good ol chiropractic 47 her... deluded about the very nature of human physiology on the basis of a century old fallacy and consumed by desperate wishful thinking about what you can really do with your little activator and traction tables and back cracken.
Stop trying so hard to stand on your tippy toes to be shoulder to shoulders with MD's... it makes me so sad to watch.
@servorules Nope, fuck face...Google no longer allows the use of copyrighted videos or private consumption. This means asswipe druggie needle and scapel wielding assholes such as yourself can no longer high jack copyrighted vids. Chiropractic can not help asswipes...you're doomed.
@servorules Hitler loved medicine to the tune of atrocious medical experiments that operated on jews without anesthesia. Mediocine is best int ER, while in the field...medicine kills millions worldwide each year. Chiropracxtic rules and you are a troll/shill visiting chiropractic miracle vids?
@chiropractic47 chiropractic miracle my ass. The only miracle is that there are still fools out there that fall for your lies and keep quacks like you in business.
By the way, Simon Singh WON!!!! Theres a chiropractic miracle for you!
@chiropractic47 2 months ago you stated "My source for the ultimate denial of Simon Sihng appeal will remain a secret. However, I will guarantee you it is accurate. If I'm full of BS I will denounce the BCA." Singh this week won his appeal and your legendary BS is yet again exposed. I look forward to your promised denounciation of the BCA. No more will wealthy bullies be able to prevent evidence based free speech due to the imminent reform of libel law the fools at the BCA have set in train
Folks! This is a video with subtitles by a sick anti-chiropractic man. Experiment876 is a Hitler lover. Notice how he uses the anti-christ as a means to punish chiropractic. A healthy mind would use a protagonist recognized for their positive attributes to our lives, instead Hitler is chosen by the vids author in attempt to defame. Clearly a video produced by a sick mind. May the lord have pity on his soul...NOT!
@chiropractic47 Does that mean your good buddy 9pt9 is just as big a "Hitler lover"?
After all, he (or she) is using the "anti-christ" as a means to praise chiropractic. Wouldnt a "healthy mind" use better "protagonist".
Surely you would have to agree that 9pt9 has just as sick a mind as experiment876 here, or does that line or reasoning only apply to those that challenge chiropractic?
Your never at a loss for words... lets hear you defend the undefensible.
Wow, what a miserable life you must have to just sit around and subtitle a movie with chiropractic slander, lol. The only reason garbage like this is ever created is due to a fear by m.d.'s that what they have spent their lives doing was ineffective and harmful, and that chiropractic allows the body to heal in a manner that it was intended to heal.
The original poster should get himself educated instead of spreading negative propaganda like the Nazi's. This would have been more realistic if it was done on vaccinations or the state of the US sickcare.
Bayer, the same German company that makes the aspirin also made the Chlorine Gas, Zyklon B and VX to kill the Jews and many other people in Germany. It was Hitler that was genetically altering people, it was Hitler that used drugs to kill people.
For a Yid to need evidence that something works seems strange to me. Do you need a peer reviewed article to prove that God is real? Or you're dear Moses and his burning bush? Or are the stories you heard from your ancestors evidence enough? I pity haters of Chiropractic. You too will become believers when the Allopaths fail you with their potions and snake oil. There are no athiests in foxholes. GO CHIRO!!!
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Some people just don't understand what chiropractic is. It's not a question of whether or not it works. IT DOES! By removing interference from the nervous system, chiropractors enable the body to heal and operate much more efficiently.
Are you angry my dear chiroquack? Are you afraid of being discovered by the scientific method?... Your spine adjustments are useless, that's a fact, and you know it.
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'modern medicine", the one that killed 800,000 Americans last year? Can you imagine how many people "modern medicine" killed world world wide? Ouch! I think we'd better keep "modern medicine" in the ER, rather in the hands of a novice (patient with prescription drugs).
Errors in medicine are common. Doctos are humans like you and me. But who many lives have been saved thanks to the "evil medicine practice"? Millions, chiropractic47...MILLIONS of people....Science is reached only by the scientific method. On the other hand, chiropractic is based on the teachings of D.D. Palmer and son. (The super Quacks!)
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caba-babba, how many lives must be lost due to your "doctors"? The federal govt. "super conservatively" estimates that 150,000 Americans died last year from MD mis-diagnosis alone. 7,000 died last year form illegible handwriting on prescription slips. 250,000 died last year from NSAIDS. It's estimated 5,000,000 Americans died last year from the after effects of surgeries and drug therapies (secondary iatrodenic death). The ER docs save lives, not most of the field docs caba-babble. CHIROPRACTIC!
How many lives have been saved by chiroquacks? NONE, That's a fact. Millions of people cured and saved because of the scientific study of our bodies during the last 200 or more. Don't hate doctors (MDs) chiroquack, you will need one soon or later in your life.
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"many lives have been saved by chiropractic". Unfortunately "you" would have a terrible time recognizing it due to your monocular vision created by the over dramatization of medicine. Your covenent with medical mimicry denies you of seeing beyond the ER. The nervous system controls every cell in our body, and it is chiropractic that is so astutely tuned to address this fact of life. To chiropractic...
Prove it with scientific data. Prove that a patient with pneumonia or brain damage could be healed just by massaging the neck or back. (that is, using chiropractic "approaches"). No data supporting your arguments quack. Read some medical journals or medical books and you will find the truth.
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cabba-babble, not so fast...you slicky-medicated-sicky. Research submitted in PubMed, etc. reveals; spinal adjustments cause a huge release of infection fighting white blood cells. Hey, I got a great reading exercise for ya! Google "Less chiropractic and osteopathy patients died during the 1917-1918 swine flu epidemic". Munch on it medic. Roll in it!
caballeroinex You wrote: "Errors in medicine are common". In the ER is where hero MD's work miracles. Outside the ER, in the field, is where medicine leaves carnage. The hundreds of thousands of Americans killed by medicine and pharma each year is unacceptable. You postulate wouldn't be acceptable to you if it were your own child who died from vaccines or other drugs would it? Now well then...its not the same now is it?
@chiropractic47... hahaha yeaah whatever you think of Modern Medicine is OK for me. I don't care what you think. What I really care is about the thousands of (ignorant) people going to the chiroquacks, spending millions of Dollars for nothing more than a creepy massage or the placebo effect. As a Quackery, Chiropractic should be banned.
@caballeroinex Your "modern medicine killed 800,000+ Americans last year...oh so proud? Chiropractic kicks medicine's ass all day...all night....Chiropractic!
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sleepcity, take whatever few neurons you can conger; Google "iatrogenic deaths and injuries". Read then...piss off. My last post reflected sentiment for the miracle ER docs, RN's, PA's and ancillary staff who save thousands of lives each year. Field MD's are misdiagnosing and dispensing drugs and vaccines that kill or maime at an unprecendented rate. They're out of control along with their unholy relationship with Big Pharma. Parents are pissed off at medi-pharma and they now want chiropractic!!
chiropractic47: Once again, your brilliance shines. A "conger" is a type of eel, "conjure" is the word you were looking for. I also know what the word iatrogenic means. Are you saying that ER staff save thousands of lives but all other doctors/nurses/PAs/NPs, etc. are careless murderers?
Can you please point to something more substantial to back up your broad assertions than conspiratorial allusions to "Big Pharma"? It's awfully boring to hear you repeat over and over.
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sleepy, Uhhhh...ohh!, sorry for misspelling "conjure", LOL!. Yes sleepy, I'm implying; outside the ER (and sometimes in the ER) medicine is a mess. sleepy, I find it hard to believe you not agreeing "Organized Medicine" and "Big Pharma" don't "sleep" together. I mean, this is a fundamentally and universally accepted world wide with out contest. Hey, a former RN and pharm rep attest to this fact in their own YouTube vids...? Or are you just being oppositional for argument sake? I can accept this
@chiropractic47: Wow, your grammar is atrocious. No wonder you go to Life "University".
It is "universally accepted" that "Organized Medicine" and "Big Pharma" "sleep" together? What does that MEAN exactly? You need to be precise for your words to matter, guy!
So YouTube videos by a former RN and pharmaceutical rep somehow prove your conspiracy theory?
To be sure, there are problems with the pharmaceutical industry. But you just generalize, giving NO specific claims or evidence whatsoever.
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sleepy, LOL! You were so amused with my grammer that you tripped and wrote "No wonder you go to Life University" (the largest and most modern chiropractic institution in the world and exceeds Harvard Med. in curricula, etc.) First: I "went" to Life University. Second: Poor syntax. Oganized Medicine and Big Pharma's unholy union is not only "our" concern, the federal govt. is stepping in to break them away from each other (Medical Student Union vs Harvard Medical College. & Phizer). Chiropractic!
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sleepy, LOL! You were so amused with my grammatical errors? You wrote "To be sure, there are problems with the pharmaceutical industry" What's this? sleepy..."give in" now and I'll promise you a car wash job? Chiropractic!!!
@chiropractic47: It's like you're incapable of understanding nuance or complexity, These seem to be very foreign concepts to you.
Can't be too much homework at Life "University" considering how much time you spend online trolling countless threads, sputtering nonsense, and getting downvoted.
sleepcity, come on! Didn't you think my post was funny? I friggin laughed for 15 minutes. Putting our differences aside...the actor depicting Hitler is amazing. He sends chills up my spine no matter how many times i watch the vid, as if Hitler was resurrected or we were allowed to look into a time portal; to 1945. Peace...and, uh, chiropractic!
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cabba-babble, we ran an electronic tracer on your post to sleepcity. It came "fro and to" your bedroom. Give princess (sleepcity) a kiss for me. Chiropractic!
@sleepcity "But you just generalize, giving NO specific claims or evidence whatsoever"
What sort of specific claims and evidence were you looking for? Something like over 1 million iatrogenic deaths/year amounting to nearly a $300 billion dollar cost? Or something like...
10 year span Projections: Unnecessary Hospitalization- 89 million
Unnecessary Procedures- 75 million
Total Iatrogenic events- 32 million
These may just be numbers to you, but they are people to me.
@chiropractic47 because that's how it works. You have no evidence and it so infuriates you to know you have wasted your life on a fraud. Simon Singh, we salute your victory over ignorance. When are you going to denounce the BCA as you promised?
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@caballeroinex I myself am a chiro and I get frustrated with those who think that we do not need scientific evidence. However medicos or medically minded people who refuse to look at the existing evidence also frustrate me. Prof John Murtagh a prof in General medical practice states that spinal manipulation is more effective for uncomplicated lower back pain, he provides 4 references to back this up. I suggest that you look at the data & research more thoroughly b4 shooting your mouth off
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This data can be found in Murtagh's text John Murtagh's General Practice 4th edition, page 383. He also recommends spinal manipulation as management for chronic low back pain on page 376, also backed up with references!
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"Giebelman"? You asked for it my man. It was you who came on attacking chiropractic as if you understood it. You don't! Furthermore...that you would come on any vid and drop your poop is "asking for it". So. from one yid to another, I accept your "Shabbat Shalom".
@chiropractic47 He is confrontational and prone to internet rage it would appear, and I think it likely that we won't get thru to him...he enjoys picking on people he can't confront in person...gives him a feeling of power.
Doing a bit of quick math, I think there is roughly 1 MRI machine in the US for every 40,000 people, i.e. ~325x more MRI machines per capita than Cuba. So I tend to favour the idea that if Cuba does indeed practice "modern medicine" it is certainly a more grass roots and low tech style of it, and not quite the same as in western industrialised countries.
MRI machines don't improve diagnosis by a huge amount but are a massive moneyspinner for countries without national healthcare programmes (like the US) where they are used for unnecessary screening which many doctors argue has a negative effect on healthcare in general, just like the disease-mongering that Big Pharma and its marketers are involved in (restless-leg syndrome etc.)
The current conception of the healthcare system is actually more akin to a sickness-care system than anything else. Its perhaps glib, but focusing on peoples' wellbeing would really help combat this problem. In NZ big pharma has convinced authorities to make Losec available OTC. This may help certain people combat the negative impacts of their bad diet and bad lifestyle. But its not optimum. And those people are still going to an earlier grave, even if they feel more comfortable while doing it.
So, yes, you're right, but the US is a terrible example (the only OECD nation without universal public healthcare provision), you shoud see how pissed of British doctors get when patients demand pointless and expensive MRI scans!
With the US the culture of litigation is a big factor as well. You bump your head and get a bit of a bruise, and someone is going to want to take an MRI of it. Just in case something bad happens down the track, a subarachnoid haem. or some such, and you sue for negligence. The fact that simply doing the MRI will result in additional insurance income for the faciltiy - bonus!
chiropractic47, are you a practicing chiropractor or a chiro student? Or neither? Regardless, your demeanour and comments here are highly unprofessional. Taking giebelman's bait only reinforces the old, bad stereotypes lingering from the AMA anti-competitive smear campaigns against chiros (70's and 80's). I take it that you have never worked in a professional setting with other highly trained individuals - healthcare, technical, management or other - before. It really shows.
The "vertebral subluxation" is an outmoded concept from chiropractic history which some quarters of the profession still hang on to. *Shrug* There are newer iterations of the concept, but none wholly satisfactory, and the weight of the historical conceptual baggage remains unhelpful. Oh and before you acuse people of "junior high name calling" giebelman, perhaps you should check your own elitist, over generalising, superiority complex name calling. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour after all.
By the way, its arguable that Australia has a superior healthcare system to NZ. But its still what Americans would nervously call "socialised" healthcare. The poor and the vulnerable (and the uninsured) still get top medical treatment. In the US it seems easier to fund F-35's than it is to fund cover for the uninsured.
The chiropractic profession needs to get its act together to raise internal standards of practice, education and post grad training. And to police its own members harder. The profession is its own worst enemy and needs to transform into a serious, modern, evidence informed player. However, many patients still dislike, or have found useless, the medical treatment options they are given, which is why great chiropractors are still highly sought after by people in local communities.
That is a practical observation, but if the chiropractic profession was capable of doing so dont you think they would have already done so in the past 100+ years?
Physician, for the most part, practice in large multispecialty groups w/ sophisticated business models and close coordination w/ large hospital systems.
Chiropractor, in my observation, seem to be primarily relegated to stripmall offices w/ solo practitoners hustling for business in low end print advertising. Not much future in that.
@giebelman You're pointing out that organised medicine in the US is big corporate business, and it has worked to lock out non-medical providers from the system to secure its own business model and margins? So you are aware that your country pays the most for healthcare in the OECD yet gets generally average healthcare outcomes?
What do you think pays for the Mexican maid and gardner that sweep my floors and mow my lawn, or the Canadian nanny that raises my kids so I dont have too?
Seriously, its a free marketplace and if chiropractors had a legitimate nitch they would have found it by now and come in off the lunatic fringes by now.
Subluxation theory is about as valid as the tooth fairy and bigfoot.
I have yet to hear of a single American immigrating to New Zealand for the great healthcare on offer there, have you?
I know quite a few Americans doing their PhDs or post-docs here. Hey did you just say "cultural imperialism wins every time"? & did you just applaud the FBI for undermining democratic values? & did you just show off that you have enough wealth to offer menial work to foreigners? OK, now it seems unnecessary to rebuke your claims to a great democracy, as you don't personally believe in democractic values per se, just in your country. Did you see AVATAR? Great visual effects from NZ eh? (WETA)
physician...practice in large multispecialty groups..." due to medicines lack of an understanding of how the body is made and what it needs to survive, ie. a nephrologist to monitor and manage the kidneys that went kabonkers because of the overload of toxic meds dumped in by the OB/GYN, etc. on and on... What a f^%^ken mess!
The shear depths of your ignorance know no bounds... what the hell did that "Life University" of your do to your poor little brain?
Kidneys (outside of chiropractic circles perhaps) dont go "kabonkers", and Im not familiar with many particularly "toxic meds" that OB/GYN's "dump" into patients.
I thinks its high time you took a long hard look at your professions fantastically myopic perspective on human physiology and pathology... its just not all about subluxations and toxins my little man.
LOL!! Can someone here explain to gieber-schmuk that DC complete more anatomy, physiology, and pathology than the MD and DO? (Google: Grisanti Report, DHHS, "Dr. Bruley Goes to Chiropractic School", etc.) giebel-schmuk? LOL!!
Interestingly enough MD/DO get their's in the first 2 years then get on with seeing patients in hospitals/clinics which chiropractors have to spread their course work out over 4 years... that says a lot right there doesnt it?
From your post I don't see the advantage of the MD/DO circumventing the additional 500 hrs. of advanced health sciences that the chiro must complete. I guess it does..."says a lot right there doesn't it?" CHIROPRACTIC gives giebelman a big fat FASCIAL!!!
I like to think that two years of clinicals (that chiro's dont complete) more than make up for 500 hours of "advanced health sciences that the chiro must complete".
The very fact that you cant see the advantage in MD/DO's having 2 years of clinical study that chiropractors dont get/cant use is very...well...interesting.
Can somone here teach giebel-schmuk DC's are educated, trained, and licensed to understand all the above, save DC's don't repair episiotomies (he misspells this). Glomerular filtration rates? LOL! All the poor putz can come up with to test me is wether I know and understand the rate the kidneys glomerulus can produce filtrate? Shoulder dislocation? LOL! Ironically, I set a dislocated shoulder shortly after graduation! LOL! UA? LOL! Of course the DC is licensed to perform U/A and blood! LOL!
A shoulder dystocia isnt a dislocated shoulder shoulder genius, so I guess the answer to that question is a big no.
I asked if you knew how to interpret a GFR (which subluxation do you adjust to improve it?)
I asked if you could do a UA (or serum chemistry for that matter) in your office, not if you were licensed too do so... Im guessing that the ansmwer to that question is another "well, uh, no but..."
LOL!!! "Which subluxation do you adjust to improve it?" Like an asshole like yourself understands spinal mechanics, neurophysiology, and their relationship to the vertebral subluxation complex! LOL!!!! You know nothing because you are nothing...but a poor babbling masturbating medi-pharmacist counting his pills while fondling his yongies while in his parents upstairs john. A giebel-putz!
I can only assume that this wanton bit of innane rambling is little more than a tacit admission that you simply cant explain how manipulation of the mythical "vertebral subluxation complex" actually does... anything... typical.
Whenever you resort to junior high name calling I figure rational argument on the point at hand is simply beyond your weak little grasp. Again, sad but all too typical of your breed. Back to the margins of society with you... tell the homeopaths I said hello.
something to think about...how many medical procedures used today are actually evidence-based or properly research? (are all surgeries researched or by trial and error and experience??)
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Has anyone picked up on the videos sub-title author continuous reliance for an outside source (Fairies) to heal the body? This is typical of a diehard medic..."Don't rely on the body to heal its self, it always needs foriegn poisonous chemicals, needles, and knives to hepl it along". MD's insist on calling themselves the "Healers" of the body. DC's on the other hand insist that the word "Doctor" means teacher, assisting the bodys inherent healing powers and "teaching" a healthful lifestyle.
I'm in awe of how many are in awe of chiropractic. Chiropractic...the fastest growing primary health care profession in the U.S.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
I've been in chiropractic practice for 20 years, see 500 pv/week with 50 new patients/month, adjust babies to geriatrics. Not only does chiropractic help more effficiently and safely than medicine. However, unlike medicine, it's based in scence. Only 15% of medicine has scientific research to back its claims. You medics out there, when deleting pharmaceutical company "Junk Science", you got nothing! Get thee to a doctor of chiropractic (DC), who will help the body heal its self. ADIO!
chiropractic47 2 months ago
@chiropractic47
you are a chiro QUACK tor , practicing Chiro QUACK tic care ?
Chiropractic is Nothing but a bunch of unscientific asinine nonsense and obvious Quackery , Chiropractors are spreading all over America like cock roaches in massive #s yet we have more people in Pain due to structural issues than ever before !
i have lots of experience with Chiro Quack tic care and most of it is pure Quackery bs
AnatomicalALIGNMENT 2 months ago
@AnatomicalALIGNMENT You're obviously sick. G-d speed in your recovery...if you should ever recover? Otherwise, Chiropracrtic Rocks!
chiropractic47 2 months ago
DC's > MD's
TheLumberjack41 2 months ago
you would have to wonder how the budget for this was mustered up when they would not even consider putting the money to work on a chiropractic research project. I can confirm some babies stop crying when adjusted. I can demonstrate. I dont have the money to prove it. I just do it. Put your money into something constructive.
Parents whose children I have treated refer others. I do not advertise it.
Just Ask yourself one question, pseudosceptics: who has the monopoly on treating colic?
joelchiro 6 months ago
The person who made this video needs to take a long hard look at themself in the mirror. As the Buddha said: Every action,thought and deed should be motivated by loving, kindness, gentleness and compassion. Obviously not what I would call a peaceful mind. Rather disturbing. Maybe you should go and see a chiropractor and get adjusted.....or.....maybe not!!!
rotheugen 10 months ago
you cannot treat people in the REAL world with a cook book. Studies are a guide and a more reliable source in order to make better decisions in treatment. Clinicians know this. "Non clinicians ....well, you just don't see it. Keep an open mind yo.
haishalehaish 10 months ago
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Being a skeptic and not knowing much about chiropractic, I decided to see what "evidence" exists. First, it's well-proven that spinal adjustments do nothing for colic, and non-back issues.
It is also dangerous in some number of cases, so you can't dismiss it as being "harmless."
The only halfway-legit information I could find about its efficacy on back pain is that the effect is "modest" and that chiropractic should be done in conjunction with REAL treatments.
In other words, it is garbage.
DukeNavarre 1 year ago
Chiropractic adjusts the spine. Any chiropractic treatment will help with back problems, and little else.
theneonfire 1 year ago
I invite you to come spend 1 week in my office, then you would know. I also guarantee you will never take me up on that. If you were honestly concerned with what it is we do & it's efficacy, you would make efforts outside of cyberland. Real ife action is concerably harder than anonymous insult. Its often the people that know too little that say too much and there is no doubt in my mind you fit that profile.
abbiejfox 1 year ago 4
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@abbiejfox How in the hell is someone supposed to judge the efficacy of the treatment by observing individual, non-blinded cases without any control group?
DukeNavarre 1 year ago
@abbiejfox
"I want everyone who only has anecdotal evidence to leave the room."
Ahem...that's you.
@your other comment ("As for me standing on the shoulders of our MD's I can promise you I'm side-by-side"): If you were accepted to medical school but chose to join the circus instead, would that mean that the circus has an equally valid philosophy of patient care? It's not about you; you may be very smart. It's about the scientific rigor of your field, and THAT is not on par with medicine.
seal869 1 year ago 4
My friends that remained and I frequently compare education and I've often had the opportunity to inform them of gaps in their knowledge. I spoke with one, immediately after finishing the respiratory portion of his education, still didnt know what a bleb was. We can go round after round, but you waste my time. You are closed minded and I pray that you never have a condition that is best suited for chiropractic treatment, cause you will go without and be miserable.
abbiejfox 1 year ago 2
As for me standing on the shoulders of our MD's I can promise you I'm side-by-side. Contrary to your belief, I chose chiropractic. I was accepted to pharmacy school decided against. I earned my pre-med degree and spent 2 and 1/2 years in molecular physiology research laboratories studying cancer, spent 6 years in pharmacies learning everything I could about drugs for future patient care. Was accepted and started med school and decided against.
abbiejfox 1 year ago 4
Doctors, of any kind, should listen to their patients goals and treat accordingly to improve their ailments keeping in mind what the person wants, hence nutritional counseling, life-style changes and advise which HAS impacted her life for the positive that (regardless of what level of medical professional could have told her the same thing) her MD was neglegent to do & chose instead over a dozen drugs to prescribe.
abbiejfox 1 year ago 2
I'd be thrilled to know what credentials are behind your name, that make you even moderately aware of the ins and outs of patient care. After all my years of education I assure you I have no delusiions about the nature of human physiology. I do not charge for nutritional couseling and I haven't adjusted the lady that is under my care in an effort to come off of her medications.
abbiejfox 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 libelous liar
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm You want to suck my what? Chiropractic for all!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 It's hilarious, you're fellow chiropractors must be so embarrassed with you. anyone coming here for a view of chiropractors must be getting a fabulous view with messages like "jerko" "sucked of judges" and "fuck face". I actually pity your colleagues, their main representative here makes them look like a bunch of 5 year olds who make things up and abuse people when they're challenged. Thanks for making things so clear. Oh, and you are, comprehesively, a liar.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm You just lied; I'm not a liar. LOL! When ever I feel the urge to take a piss I come to this video...It's not respectful thus desrves no respect. My collegues are my fans and are happy to see one of their very own and a successful chiropractic doctor poop on your party of pill popping, needle jabbing, scalpel wielding medi-pharma reps. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 I accuse you point blank of being a liar, it is a verifiable fact, a concept I appreciate you are not familiar with.. You say you have inside knowledge of the British legal system. You say Simon Singh "sucked of the judge" (actually there were 3 who all found the BCA to have no evidence, he must have been busy) If you're not a liar, sue me.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm Simon Singh sucked off all three judges during court recess? Wow! He's good?... Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
victory to Simon Singh - not even Britain's appaling libel laws can now prevent people stating the truth of the total lack of evidence for chiropractic. An i still await chiropractic47 prmosed denunciation of the BCA when he claimed he "knew" that Singh's appeal would be dismissed and would denounce the BCA if it wasn't.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
As a chiropractor I had to admit this was funny. Unfortunately, there is some truth to the idea that our research is still in its infancy. However, a search of PubMed for "Chiropractic infantile colic" actually yields 19 papers, including the most recent that suggests long term benefits of chiropractic on infants with colic. Other RCTs showed chiropractic was better than dimethicone...none involved a "just holding the baby" control group; but it was pretty funny, even if misleading.
RobLeach 1 year ago
@RobLeach better than dimethicone? That's because there is not a drop of evidence for dimethicone either.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm In the last RCT by Olafsdottir et al, while there was no statistical difference, a greater percentage of chiropractic treated babies than placebo treated babies had improvement; in an earlier trial by Wiberg et al, chiropractic was more effective than dimethicone after one week and after two weeks. Go to PubMed to check this out before saying there is no evidence. RL
RobLeach 1 year ago
@RobLeach I am familiar with the evidence and the complete intellectual demolition of the credibility of all the studies that chirpractors refer to. And I just love the way you say "while there was no statistical difference" as if that is a trivial matter rather than the heart of evidence.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm Kindly tell me where is the Hitler video highlighting the lack of benefits of Dimethicone over chiropractic? Yet at least here in the states this drug is still widely used instead of gentle chiropractic procedures. I certainly agree there is only weak evidence supporting chiropractic; the fact is we don't have large pharmaceuticals funding our research, so we wind up with small scale trials that suffer from Type II error (i.e., no statistical sig; not enough subjects).
RobLeach 1 year ago
@RobLeach You brought up dimethicone, it's a distraction, the debate here long ago ceased to be about the video, it's a joke. Those of us who care about evidence are equally happy to criticise drugs and drugs companies when there is no evidence for their claims, as there certainly isn't with dimethicone. Sad if it is still widely used, but most family doctors in the UK advise parents not to bother, but that is irrelevant to the debate on chiropractic, other than them both being evidence free.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@RobLeach Oh and before you accuse people of not knowing studies and citing them in defence of chirpractic, please familiarise yourself with them. Olafsdottir et al's conclusion "Chiropractic spinal manipulation is no more effective than placebo in the treatment of infantile colic." That is what they found, that is the evidence, thanks for highlighting it.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm Rather than going through this debate with you all day (I have patients waiting, willing to see a quack:), I will refer you to Moerman and Jonas (2002), and Moerman's prior work: he argues some research may involve nothing more than testing one placebo against another. Since study groups are so large, they increase the probability that a sample can be found that responds to one placebo over another. Where's that Hitler video?
RobLeach 1 year ago
@RobLeach Classic. a) cite a study as evidence of your position. b) have it pointed out that this study categorically refutes evidence for your position. c) criticise aforementioned study that you cited as being methodologically flawed. Can we also stop this "poor chiropractic" thing. Chiropractic is a multi million pound industry that could easily afford research. The hundreds of thousands it has just spent trying to bully Simon Singh could have funded a useful study.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm Actually I don't think I referred to the study as being methodologically flawed, but merely tried to point out the dichotomy between searching for statistically significant versus clinically meaningful differences; with 168 characters remaining I find myself responding in sound bytes:) I do not ask you to "pity chiropractic" but rather I ENCOURAGE you to point out outrageous claims my colleagues may make. Understand, however, science (videos)should equally apply to pharmaceuticals.RL
RobLeach 1 year ago
@RobLeach Fair enough Rob, and am happy to say you seem much more balanced than most of your colleagues here. I would also point out (and what most of your collegues seem to miss) is that most of us concerned about chiropractic are indeed equally scathing of the many dubious, anti scientific activities of drug company's and other mainstream medicine. (Ben Goldacre for instance, scathing of both). I do however say that medicines ability to accept evidence based criticism is much, much healthier.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@RobLeach be careful of these chiropractic haters. They really suck.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Chiropractic is the best kept secret in the world
lovelara2 1 year ago
Chiropractic rules!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 whatever, you didnt answer the question. Is 9pt9 just as big a Hitler lover as experiment876 here?
Im sure he wants to know
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules No...experiment876 is the Hitler lover. 9pt9 is a hero to the people! We respect 9pt9 for his courageous despiction of a mad man trying to disenfranchise, as does medicine and pharma.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 so............ basically, if someone says what you want to hear then they get to be a hero but if they use the same medium to say something you dont like then theyre a Hitler lover.
Well Im sure Hitler would love your line of reasoning, its right out of the fascist play book.
Havent you ever heard of online porn? Give it a try man, you spend way to much time posting about chiropractic...... I think you need a break
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules Hitler sucks and U-suck Hitler's tally wacker. Witch every way u- look at it...you and Hitler suck!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 your on frustrated chiropractor... go figure.
Did I mention that Simon Singh WON!!!! Suck on that loser!
servorules 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 I'm convinced you're actually a seven year old now. "U-suck Hitler's tally wacker"? Really? I'm floored someone let you into college, albeit a fake one.
sleepcity 1 year ago
@sleepcity Sucking Hitlers tally wacker caused cancer in laboratory rats...must 'suck" to be a Hitler rat?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 damn you really are one ignorant wanna be, Ive got a 3rd grader that can do better than that
oh ya.... Simon Singh WON!!!! Dont tell me youll ever get tired of hearing that!
servorules 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 You talk like that and at the same time honestly wonder why chiropractors aren't taken seriously as actual medical professionals? Really?
sleepcity 1 year ago
@sleepcity Shit for brains! Chiropractic is separate and distinct from medicine; thus chiropractic doctors...the largest group of holistic primary care doctors...are not medical professionals...you know? Medicine killed 800,000+ Americans last year...who wants a part of that? Fuk no! Chiripractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Still awaiting your promised denunciation of the BCA given Simon Singh's fabulous victory for truth despte your "insider knowledge" that his appeal would be rejected? When will you admit you were talking nonsense and condemn the BCA as you promised.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm Simon sucked off the judge during recess...the oldest trick in the book? Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 God you make this easy by proving what a fool you are. So you confirm you'r own declaration that if what you said wasn't true that you are full of bullshit, and then, beautiful irony, you engage in some clear cut libel. You couldn't make it easier to demonstrate the utter ridiculousness of your position by lying (it that's not true, sue me) and then making outrageous claims that libel Simon Singh AND the judge. Oh I look forward to you suing me in front of Mr Justice Eady, liar.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm Jerko, for now your girly demeanure is just enough entertainment for me. I surely would appreciate it that sometime in the near future you would defend yourself as a "Real" man. Make an appointment with a "Real Doctor"...a chiropractic doctor...girly man. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Did you actually just chalenge me to a fight, absolutely hilarious? I can just see it now. MD presents report in the Lancet on cancer treatment. Colleague doesn't like ti and challenges him to "defend himself like a real man". Oh no, actually they would challenge the evidence and then the other person would respond professionally.
thistlesdm 1 year ago
@thistlesdm Me? Challenge you to a fight??? Uhh, I don't hit girls. MD's "treat" cancer? Or do they battle the body? Which is the one putz-face? Chiropractic helps the body balance itsself as a means to destroy cancer cells and prevent their proliferation with; spinal adjustments and lifestyle counseling (think everything, including the elimination of drugs). Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 yea smart guy, what about that "insider knowledge" of yours about Simon Singh... or was that just you "innate intelligence" talking?
You cant hind you odvious shame and humiliation forever!
Simon Singh (and truth and justice and science and rationality) kicked chiropractics ignorant ass, now humbly beg for forgiveness and I might respect you in the morning.
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules Simon lost his fight against chiropractic...by other means. He's presently dealing with his scandalous affair with one of his former male students. His type almost always vent their confusion upon those he secretly admires. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 ooooh... sorry, not nearly good enough... I expected so much better from you.
Tell me that the BCA hasnt taken a huge black eye with their little PR blunder, I dont think theres anyone left in England that still has any respect for them.
Your nothing but a fucking fascist for supporting their attempted supression of free speak. You and Hitler would get along just fine.
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules shmuck! We don't care wether the British court un-hung Singh's balls. His initial determination of guilt humbled him deeply...A lesson to him and skeptics alike. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@servorules Are you suggesting that if I sleep with you I'll be respected in the morning? Simon get ya "Singhing"? look you fag! If we were in the same room you'd be eating your own balls with fava beans and a cheap chianti. Me alpha male...you pussy. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Ad hominem is the best you can do? Thanks for acknowledging that chiropractic is not medicine. I'm glad you are honest enough to admit it. Now you just need to go back to math class and learn some basic risk/benefit analysis. "Chiripractic" indeed.
sleepcity 1 year ago
@sleepcity Sorry Ad hominem is the best I can do for "you". By choice, chiropractic refuses to be in the same bed as medicine. We know what to expect from our observations of the osteopaths, a dying profession. Why would the largest holistic health care profession and the fastest growing primary care doctor wish to be enjoined with an allopathic profession that is intricately linked to 800,000+ American deaths per year? (Gary Null, PhD.. et al.)
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 you keep quoting Gary Null as some sort of expert, I googled his name and he claims HIV doesnt even cause AIDS, you can expect to even be taken seriously with that kind of thing... I mean thats really sick when you think about it, you should seriously apologize.
Is that the kind of crap they teach you in chiropractic school?
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules Open your mind, it is glued shut with no communication to the outside world. Chiropractic for all!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 sorry but the last time I checked the DO's had opened something like 10-12 new schools in the past 20 years... thats a lot more than chiropractors. If anything they are growing by leaps and bounds. How many new chiropractic schools have opened up recently?
You just want to be called primary care doctors so that some i nsurances will pay you better, not because you think anyone actually believes that you really are.
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules I'm a primary care doc (DC) and you're not. Chiropractic for all!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 if your a primary care doc Im the lord of the flys.
Chiropractors cant do shit for people with heart disease or pneumonia or AIDS by themselves, they NEED real doctors. All a chirorpactor can do is a little song and dance about subluxations and innatte intellegence and magic healing fairys.
You never answered for your Gary Null citation... shame on you!
servorules 1 year ago
Chiropractors ARE "real" doctors. We can do something for those with heart disease and AIDS. We DO open lines of communication from the brain to the body, but we don't stop there. I am currently treating a patient with obesity, congestive heart failure, diabetes, high blood pressure, and hyperlipidemia. I work with her to change her diet, take off the extra weight, increase her endurance to allow her to exercise, and add supplements which affect the body just as much as traditional meds.
abbiejfox 1 year ago
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@abbiejfox OK... he honest... take 2 identical patients just like the one you mention. 1 is treated ONLY by an MD, the other is treated ONLY by a chiro... which is likely to live longer... be honest.
We both know that you contributions outside of Rx (insulin, beta blocker/ACE, statin, ect.) are maginal beyond basic nutritional counseling that she could get through a nurse educator.
servorules 1 year ago
P.S. My patient is down 20lbs, her latest blood work showed drops in LDL's, VLDL's and triglyceride levels, she has needed less insulin daily, and is now able to exercise for 10+ minutes daily......all this accomplished 2 months....something her MD DID NOT achieve in over 3 years of treating her, even with her being on 13 medicines.
abbiejfox 1 year ago 2
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@abbiejfox what a total shocker... an obese person loses 20lb and their insulin requirement/LDL/trigs decrease.
Surely your not claiming that you spinal adjustments did shit to appreciably decrease her wt... again, diet/exersize alone that an MA/LVN could supervise are responsible for that beyond basic/standard of care pharmacotherapy that is lost on you.
How much are you administrations adding to the already catastrophic cost of her chronic disease state management?
servorules 1 year ago
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@abbiejfox at the end of the day your no different than good ol chiropractic 47 her... deluded about the very nature of human physiology on the basis of a century old fallacy and consumed by desperate wishful thinking about what you can really do with your little activator and traction tables and back cracken.
Stop trying so hard to stand on your tippy toes to be shoulder to shoulders with MD's... it makes me so sad to watch.
servorules 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 HA, HA, HA!!!!! 9pt9 got his little Hitler video banned! I guess big bad medicine and pharma win
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules Nope, fuck face...Google no longer allows the use of copyrighted videos or private consumption. This means asswipe druggie needle and scapel wielding assholes such as yourself can no longer high jack copyrighted vids. Chiropractic can not help asswipes...you're doomed.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 whatever moron... I dont see any other Hitler vids shut down, just poor little 9pt9, this ones still going strong, to bad
by the way Simon Singh WON!!!! In your face asshole!!!!
servorules 1 year ago
@servorules Hitler loved medicine to the tune of atrocious medical experiments that operated on jews without anesthesia. Mediocine is best int ER, while in the field...medicine kills millions worldwide each year. Chiropracxtic rules and you are a troll/shill visiting chiropractic miracle vids?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 chiropractic miracle my ass. The only miracle is that there are still fools out there that fall for your lies and keep quacks like you in business.
By the way, Simon Singh WON!!!! Theres a chiropractic miracle for you!
servorules 1 year ago
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@chiropractic47 2 months ago you stated "My source for the ultimate denial of Simon Sihng appeal will remain a secret. However, I will guarantee you it is accurate. If I'm full of BS I will denounce the BCA." Singh this week won his appeal and your legendary BS is yet again exposed. I look forward to your promised denounciation of the BCA. No more will wealthy bullies be able to prevent evidence based free speech due to the imminent reform of libel law the fools at the BCA have set in train
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thistlesdm 1 year ago
Folks! This is a video with subtitles by a sick anti-chiropractic man. Experiment876 is a Hitler lover. Notice how he uses the anti-christ as a means to punish chiropractic. A healthy mind would use a protagonist recognized for their positive attributes to our lives, instead Hitler is chosen by the vids author in attempt to defame. Clearly a video produced by a sick mind. May the lord have pity on his soul...NOT!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 "This is a video with subtitles by a sick anti-chiropractic man. Experiment876 is a Hitler lover."
Nice Godwin! In the second sentence, no less. Feel free to sit down, chiro.
sleepcity 1 year ago
@sleepcity Your post was an epic "Dud....
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Does that mean your good buddy 9pt9 is just as big a "Hitler lover"?
After all, he (or she) is using the "anti-christ" as a means to praise chiropractic. Wouldnt a "healthy mind" use better "protagonist".
Surely you would have to agree that 9pt9 has just as sick a mind as experiment876 here, or does that line or reasoning only apply to those that challenge chiropractic?
Your never at a loss for words... lets hear you defend the undefensible.
servorules 1 year ago
Wow, what a miserable life you must have to just sit around and subtitle a movie with chiropractic slander, lol. The only reason garbage like this is ever created is due to a fear by m.d.'s that what they have spent their lives doing was ineffective and harmful, and that chiropractic allows the body to heal in a manner that it was intended to heal.
Chiro2222 1 year ago
Chiro2222, Amen to you! ADIO!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 And to you, keep up the dedication. ADIO!
Chiro2222 1 year ago
The original poster should get himself educated instead of spreading negative propaganda like the Nazi's. This would have been more realistic if it was done on vaccinations or the state of the US sickcare.
Bayer, the same German company that makes the aspirin also made the Chlorine Gas, Zyklon B and VX to kill the Jews and many other people in Germany. It was Hitler that was genetically altering people, it was Hitler that used drugs to kill people.
I don't see the chiropractic correlation.
belleterrechiro 1 year ago
For a Yid to need evidence that something works seems strange to me. Do you need a peer reviewed article to prove that God is real? Or you're dear Moses and his burning bush? Or are the stories you heard from your ancestors evidence enough? I pity haters of Chiropractic. You too will become believers when the Allopaths fail you with their potions and snake oil. There are no athiests in foxholes. GO CHIRO!!!
Kindspine 1 year ago
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Some people just don't understand what chiropractic is. It's not a question of whether or not it works. IT DOES! By removing interference from the nervous system, chiropractors enable the body to heal and operate much more efficiently.
aeisaman 1 year ago
What does Hitler have to do with anything?
He is dead and gone and good riddance to him.
Move on people!
Ronin6575 1 year ago
Shabbot Shalom!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Hyper LOL. I liked this vid. Very true.
caballeroinex 1 year ago
caba-baba...also a Hitler youth? Wow! I'm getting my Yid butt outta here before these Nazis....
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Are you angry my dear chiroquack? Are you afraid of being discovered by the scientific method?... Your spine adjustments are useless, that's a fact, and you know it.
caballeroinex 1 year ago
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I'm only here to help you not hurt you. Where should we begin? Ok, you feel the body requires deadly chemicals to survive and prevent disease....
chiropractic47 1 year ago
"Deadly chemicals? Come on, you are just a chiro-fanatic that hates modern medicine. Shame on you and your quackery.
caballeroinex 1 year ago 3
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'modern medicine", the one that killed 800,000 Americans last year? Can you imagine how many people "modern medicine" killed world world wide? Ouch! I think we'd better keep "modern medicine" in the ER, rather in the hands of a novice (patient with prescription drugs).
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Errors in medicine are common. Doctos are humans like you and me. But who many lives have been saved thanks to the "evil medicine practice"? Millions, chiropractic47...MILLIONS of people....Science is reached only by the scientific method. On the other hand, chiropractic is based on the teachings of D.D. Palmer and son. (The super Quacks!)
caballeroinex 1 year ago 3
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caba-babba, how many lives must be lost due to your "doctors"? The federal govt. "super conservatively" estimates that 150,000 Americans died last year from MD mis-diagnosis alone. 7,000 died last year form illegible handwriting on prescription slips. 250,000 died last year from NSAIDS. It's estimated 5,000,000 Americans died last year from the after effects of surgeries and drug therapies (secondary iatrodenic death). The ER docs save lives, not most of the field docs caba-babble. CHIROPRACTIC!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
How many lives have been saved by chiroquacks? NONE, That's a fact. Millions of people cured and saved because of the scientific study of our bodies during the last 200 or more. Don't hate doctors (MDs) chiroquack, you will need one soon or later in your life.
caballeroinex 1 year ago 2
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"many lives have been saved by chiropractic". Unfortunately "you" would have a terrible time recognizing it due to your monocular vision created by the over dramatization of medicine. Your covenent with medical mimicry denies you of seeing beyond the ER. The nervous system controls every cell in our body, and it is chiropractic that is so astutely tuned to address this fact of life. To chiropractic...
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Prove it with scientific data. Prove that a patient with pneumonia or brain damage could be healed just by massaging the neck or back. (that is, using chiropractic "approaches"). No data supporting your arguments quack. Read some medical journals or medical books and you will find the truth.
caballeroinex 1 year ago
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cabba-babble, not so fast...you slicky-medicated-sicky. Research submitted in PubMed, etc. reveals; spinal adjustments cause a huge release of infection fighting white blood cells. Hey, I got a great reading exercise for ya! Google "Less chiropractic and osteopathy patients died during the 1917-1918 swine flu epidemic". Munch on it medic. Roll in it!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
caballeroinex You wrote: "Errors in medicine are common". In the ER is where hero MD's work miracles. Outside the ER, in the field, is where medicine leaves carnage. The hundreds of thousands of Americans killed by medicine and pharma each year is unacceptable. You postulate wouldn't be acceptable to you if it were your own child who died from vaccines or other drugs would it? Now well then...its not the same now is it?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47... hahaha yeaah whatever you think of Modern Medicine is OK for me. I don't care what you think. What I really care is about the thousands of (ignorant) people going to the chiroquacks, spending millions of Dollars for nothing more than a creepy massage or the placebo effect. As a Quackery, Chiropractic should be banned.
caballeroinex 1 year ago
@caballeroinex Your "modern medicine killed 800,000+ Americans last year...oh so proud? Chiropractic kicks medicine's ass all day...all night....Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Still at it, eh, Chiropractic47? "'modern medicine, ,,,killed 800,000 Americans last year?"
Clarify and source please. Also can you please estimate how many lives "modern medicine" saved from premature death?
Seriously...your inability to do basic cost/benefit analysis is mind-blowing.
sleepcity 1 year ago 2
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sleepcity, take whatever few neurons you can conger; Google "iatrogenic deaths and injuries". Read then...piss off. My last post reflected sentiment for the miracle ER docs, RN's, PA's and ancillary staff who save thousands of lives each year. Field MD's are misdiagnosing and dispensing drugs and vaccines that kill or maime at an unprecendented rate. They're out of control along with their unholy relationship with Big Pharma. Parents are pissed off at medi-pharma and they now want chiropractic!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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chiropractic47: Once again, your brilliance shines. A "conger" is a type of eel, "conjure" is the word you were looking for. I also know what the word iatrogenic means. Are you saying that ER staff save thousands of lives but all other doctors/nurses/PAs/NPs, etc. are careless murderers?
Can you please point to something more substantial to back up your broad assertions than conspiratorial allusions to "Big Pharma"? It's awfully boring to hear you repeat over and over.
sleepcity 1 year ago
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sleepy, Uhhhh...ohh!, sorry for misspelling "conjure", LOL!. Yes sleepy, I'm implying; outside the ER (and sometimes in the ER) medicine is a mess. sleepy, I find it hard to believe you not agreeing "Organized Medicine" and "Big Pharma" don't "sleep" together. I mean, this is a fundamentally and universally accepted world wide with out contest. Hey, a former RN and pharm rep attest to this fact in their own YouTube vids...? Or are you just being oppositional for argument sake? I can accept this
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47: Wow, your grammar is atrocious. No wonder you go to Life "University".
It is "universally accepted" that "Organized Medicine" and "Big Pharma" "sleep" together? What does that MEAN exactly? You need to be precise for your words to matter, guy!
So YouTube videos by a former RN and pharmaceutical rep somehow prove your conspiracy theory?
To be sure, there are problems with the pharmaceutical industry. But you just generalize, giving NO specific claims or evidence whatsoever.
sleepcity 1 year ago 2
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sleepy, LOL! You were so amused with my grammer that you tripped and wrote "No wonder you go to Life University" (the largest and most modern chiropractic institution in the world and exceeds Harvard Med. in curricula, etc.) First: I "went" to Life University. Second: Poor syntax. Oganized Medicine and Big Pharma's unholy union is not only "our" concern, the federal govt. is stepping in to break them away from each other (Medical Student Union vs Harvard Medical College. & Phizer). Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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sleepy, LOL! You were so amused with my grammatical errors? You wrote "To be sure, there are problems with the pharmaceutical industry" What's this? sleepy..."give in" now and I'll promise you a car wash job? Chiropractic!!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47: It's like you're incapable of understanding nuance or complexity, These seem to be very foreign concepts to you.
Can't be too much homework at Life "University" considering how much time you spend online trolling countless threads, sputtering nonsense, and getting downvoted.
sleepcity 1 year ago
sleepy, Me trolling vids? Shit! What the hell do you call what you're doing? Marketing toothpicks for geriatrics? Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Ah that one even rhymed. How I've missed your battlecry.
sleepcity 1 year ago
sleepcity, come on! Didn't you think my post was funny? I friggin laughed for 15 minutes. Putting our differences aside...the actor depicting Hitler is amazing. He sends chills up my spine no matter how many times i watch the vid, as if Hitler was resurrected or we were allowed to look into a time portal; to 1945. Peace...and, uh, chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@sleepcity... Excellent post. Congrats.
caballeroinex 1 year ago
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cabba-babble, we ran an electronic tracer on your post to sleepcity. It came "fro and to" your bedroom. Give princess (sleepcity) a kiss for me. Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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Chiro2222 1 year ago
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@sleepcity "But you just generalize, giving NO specific claims or evidence whatsoever"
What sort of specific claims and evidence were you looking for? Something like over 1 million iatrogenic deaths/year amounting to nearly a $300 billion dollar cost? Or something like...
10 year span Projections: Unnecessary Hospitalization- 89 million
Unnecessary Procedures- 75 million
Total Iatrogenic events- 32 million
These may just be numbers to you, but they are people to me.
Chiro2222 1 year ago
@sleepcity You want evidence?! Why should I give you the evidence when you can't even handle the evidence?!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 because that's how it works. You have no evidence and it so infuriates you to know you have wasted your life on a fraud. Simon Singh, we salute your victory over ignorance. When are you going to denounce the BCA as you promised?
thistlesdm 1 year ago
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chappydr 1 year ago
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@caballeroinex I myself am a chiro and I get frustrated with those who think that we do not need scientific evidence. However medicos or medically minded people who refuse to look at the existing evidence also frustrate me. Prof John Murtagh a prof in General medical practice states that spinal manipulation is more effective for uncomplicated lower back pain, he provides 4 references to back this up. I suggest that you look at the data & research more thoroughly b4 shooting your mouth off
chappydr 1 year ago
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chappydr, way to go doctor!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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This data can be found in Murtagh's text John Murtagh's General Practice 4th edition, page 383. He also recommends spinal manipulation as management for chronic low back pain on page 376, also backed up with references!
chappydr 1 year ago
Lol giebelman, Godwin says you lost this one. Try again.
bmsnz 2 years ago
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I hate Hitler and I hate the anti-chiropractic. Uh, oh no! I'm a fascist!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I think it was Hitler who once famously said "If you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth."
That stacks up nicely to chiropractic's approach to claims of scientific evidence for its rediculous claims.
I guess that does make you something of a (chiropractic) fascisit.
Strong work... Im sure Hitler himself would be very proud of you and your ongoing efforts here.
Sig Heil to you!
giebelman 2 years ago
giebelman, you wrote "...Hitler who once famously said..." Are you memorilizing Hitlers words as "famous"? You like Hitler, don't you?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Just a student of history I'm afraid.
Given the hebrew derivation of the name "Giebelman" that assertion is particularly crude even for the likes of you...
shabbat shalom
giebelman 1 year ago 3
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"Giebelman"? You asked for it my man. It was you who came on attacking chiropractic as if you understood it. You don't! Furthermore...that you would come on any vid and drop your poop is "asking for it". So. from one yid to another, I accept your "Shabbat Shalom".
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Your forgiven Weitzman, now mind your manners...
giebelman 1 year ago
LOL!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 He is confrontational and prone to internet rage it would appear, and I think it likely that we won't get thru to him...he enjoys picking on people he can't confront in person...gives him a feeling of power.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
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Ronin..., Re: giebelman and caballero: you hit the nail on head. Beating on facists and their views gets a little boring after a while (yawn).
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Doing a bit of quick math, I think there is roughly 1 MRI machine in the US for every 40,000 people, i.e. ~325x more MRI machines per capita than Cuba. So I tend to favour the idea that if Cuba does indeed practice "modern medicine" it is certainly a more grass roots and low tech style of it, and not quite the same as in western industrialised countries.
bmsnz 2 years ago
Sorry I meant per 35,000 US population.
bmsnz 2 years ago
MRI machines don't improve diagnosis by a huge amount but are a massive moneyspinner for countries without national healthcare programmes (like the US) where they are used for unnecessary screening which many doctors argue has a negative effect on healthcare in general, just like the disease-mongering that Big Pharma and its marketers are involved in (restless-leg syndrome etc.)
hadr0n 2 years ago
The current conception of the healthcare system is actually more akin to a sickness-care system than anything else. Its perhaps glib, but focusing on peoples' wellbeing would really help combat this problem. In NZ big pharma has convinced authorities to make Losec available OTC. This may help certain people combat the negative impacts of their bad diet and bad lifestyle. But its not optimum. And those people are still going to an earlier grave, even if they feel more comfortable while doing it.
bmsnz 2 years ago
So, yes, you're right, but the US is a terrible example (the only OECD nation without universal public healthcare provision), you shoud see how pissed of British doctors get when patients demand pointless and expensive MRI scans!
hadr0n 2 years ago
With the US the culture of litigation is a big factor as well. You bump your head and get a bit of a bruise, and someone is going to want to take an MRI of it. Just in case something bad happens down the track, a subarachnoid haem. or some such, and you sue for negligence. The fact that simply doing the MRI will result in additional insurance income for the faciltiy - bonus!
bmsnz 2 years ago
chiropractic47, are you a practicing chiropractor or a chiro student? Or neither? Regardless, your demeanour and comments here are highly unprofessional. Taking giebelman's bait only reinforces the old, bad stereotypes lingering from the AMA anti-competitive smear campaigns against chiros (70's and 80's). I take it that you have never worked in a professional setting with other highly trained individuals - healthcare, technical, management or other - before. It really shows.
bmsnz 2 years ago
The "vertebral subluxation" is an outmoded concept from chiropractic history which some quarters of the profession still hang on to. *Shrug* There are newer iterations of the concept, but none wholly satisfactory, and the weight of the historical conceptual baggage remains unhelpful. Oh and before you acuse people of "junior high name calling" giebelman, perhaps you should check your own elitist, over generalising, superiority complex name calling. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour after all.
bmsnz 2 years ago
Send giebelman to the Australian outback!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
By the way, its arguable that Australia has a superior healthcare system to NZ. But its still what Americans would nervously call "socialised" healthcare. The poor and the vulnerable (and the uninsured) still get top medical treatment. In the US it seems easier to fund F-35's than it is to fund cover for the uninsured.
bmsnz 2 years ago
The chiropractic profession needs to get its act together to raise internal standards of practice, education and post grad training. And to police its own members harder. The profession is its own worst enemy and needs to transform into a serious, modern, evidence informed player. However, many patients still dislike, or have found useless, the medical treatment options they are given, which is why great chiropractors are still highly sought after by people in local communities.
bmsnz 2 years ago
That is a practical observation, but if the chiropractic profession was capable of doing so dont you think they would have already done so in the past 100+ years?
Physician, for the most part, practice in large multispecialty groups w/ sophisticated business models and close coordination w/ large hospital systems.
Chiropractor, in my observation, seem to be primarily relegated to stripmall offices w/ solo practitoners hustling for business in low end print advertising. Not much future in that.
giebelman 2 years ago
@giebelman You're pointing out that organised medicine in the US is big corporate business, and it has worked to lock out non-medical providers from the system to secure its own business model and margins? So you are aware that your country pays the most for healthcare in the OECD yet gets generally average healthcare outcomes?
bmsnz 2 years ago
What do you think pays for the Mexican maid and gardner that sweep my floors and mow my lawn, or the Canadian nanny that raises my kids so I dont have too?
Seriously, its a free marketplace and if chiropractors had a legitimate nitch they would have found it by now and come in off the lunatic fringes by now.
Subluxation theory is about as valid as the tooth fairy and bigfoot.
I have yet to hear of a single American immigrating to New Zealand for the great healthcare on offer there, have you?
giebelman 2 years ago
I know quite a few Americans doing their PhDs or post-docs here. Hey did you just say "cultural imperialism wins every time"? & did you just applaud the FBI for undermining democratic values? & did you just show off that you have enough wealth to offer menial work to foreigners? OK, now it seems unnecessary to rebuke your claims to a great democracy, as you don't personally believe in democractic values per se, just in your country. Did you see AVATAR? Great visual effects from NZ eh? (WETA)
bmsnz 2 years ago
You putz! (giebelman).
chiropractic47 2 years ago
physician...practice in large multispecialty groups..." due to medicines lack of an understanding of how the body is made and what it needs to survive, ie. a nephrologist to monitor and manage the kidneys that went kabonkers because of the overload of toxic meds dumped in by the OB/GYN, etc. on and on... What a f^%^ken mess!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
The shear depths of your ignorance know no bounds... what the hell did that "Life University" of your do to your poor little brain?
Kidneys (outside of chiropractic circles perhaps) dont go "kabonkers", and Im not familiar with many particularly "toxic meds" that OB/GYN's "dump" into patients.
I thinks its high time you took a long hard look at your professions fantastically myopic perspective on human physiology and pathology... its just not all about subluxations and toxins my little man.
giebelman 2 years ago
LOL!! Can someone here explain to gieber-schmuk that DC complete more anatomy, physiology, and pathology than the MD and DO? (Google: Grisanti Report, DHHS, "Dr. Bruley Goes to Chiropractic School", etc.) giebel-schmuk? LOL!!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Interestingly enough MD/DO get their's in the first 2 years then get on with seeing patients in hospitals/clinics which chiropractors have to spread their course work out over 4 years... that says a lot right there doesnt it?
giebelman 2 years ago
From your post I don't see the advantage of the MD/DO circumventing the additional 500 hrs. of advanced health sciences that the chiro must complete. I guess it does..."says a lot right there doesn't it?" CHIROPRACTIC gives giebelman a big fat FASCIAL!!!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I like to think that two years of clinicals (that chiro's dont complete) more than make up for 500 hours of "advanced health sciences that the chiro must complete".
The very fact that you cant see the advantage in MD/DO's having 2 years of clinical study that chiropractors dont get/cant use is very...well...interesting.
Defend that, I dare you...
giebelman 2 years ago
What would the likes of a chiropractic "physician" such as yourself know in the first place about nephrology or OB/GYN?
Do you even know what a glomerular filtration rate or biophysical profile even are, much less how to interpret them?
How do you calculate a creatine clearance or manage a shoulder dystocia... huh smart guy?
Can you even do a UA in your office?
Ever repaired an episotomy?
Your a "f^%^ken mess", and your patients pay the price for your ignorance everyday.
God help them...
giebelman 2 years ago
Can somone here teach giebel-schmuk DC's are educated, trained, and licensed to understand all the above, save DC's don't repair episiotomies (he misspells this). Glomerular filtration rates? LOL! All the poor putz can come up with to test me is wether I know and understand the rate the kidneys glomerulus can produce filtrate? Shoulder dislocation? LOL! Ironically, I set a dislocated shoulder shortly after graduation! LOL! UA? LOL! Of course the DC is licensed to perform U/A and blood! LOL!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
A shoulder dystocia isnt a dislocated shoulder shoulder genius, so I guess the answer to that question is a big no.
I asked if you knew how to interpret a GFR (which subluxation do you adjust to improve it?)
I asked if you could do a UA (or serum chemistry for that matter) in your office, not if you were licensed too do so... Im guessing that the ansmwer to that question is another "well, uh, no but..."
giebelman 2 years ago
LOL!!! "Which subluxation do you adjust to improve it?" Like an asshole like yourself understands spinal mechanics, neurophysiology, and their relationship to the vertebral subluxation complex! LOL!!!! You know nothing because you are nothing...but a poor babbling masturbating medi-pharmacist counting his pills while fondling his yongies while in his parents upstairs john. A giebel-putz!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I can only assume that this wanton bit of innane rambling is little more than a tacit admission that you simply cant explain how manipulation of the mythical "vertebral subluxation complex" actually does... anything... typical.
Whenever you resort to junior high name calling I figure rational argument on the point at hand is simply beyond your weak little grasp. Again, sad but all too typical of your breed. Back to the margins of society with you... tell the homeopaths I said hello.
giebelman 2 years ago
something to think about...how many medical procedures used today are actually evidence-based or properly research? (are all surgeries researched or by trial and error and experience??)
sherwinlo35351 2 years ago
ummm... Ok...
spynldoc 2 years ago
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Has anyone picked up on the videos sub-title author continuous reliance for an outside source (Fairies) to heal the body? This is typical of a diehard medic..."Don't rely on the body to heal its self, it always needs foriegn poisonous chemicals, needles, and knives to hepl it along". MD's insist on calling themselves the "Healers" of the body. DC's on the other hand insist that the word "Doctor" means teacher, assisting the bodys inherent healing powers and "teaching" a healthful lifestyle.
chiropractic47 2 years ago