0:14 SEXi NICKi was called a"traitor" by english=CUNT students=Druggies, Alchies&Oral+ANAL-PERFORMERs (especially white,english"posh"+ policeOfficers'preTEEN daughters beg/pay! Black/Muslim men4PornSEX in theirGOBs).@least he's NOt a criminalGAY like allUNeducated english police"men" or a SwineWC like their daughters or HogTOILET like their MUMs who even b4the'60s didN't spend timeLearning:Cooking,LANGUAGEs(like NICK's family & Wife) but SWALLOWing: Pee,Cum+even!Poo,4Free!Get out of cuntUK Nick
Nick Clegg is so inspirational. You watch him in the debates during the time when people ask questions, the Torries and Labor just answer the question with preplanned party lines, Nick actually bothers to remember the names of the questioner and talks directly to them. He also obviously cares about the answer.
Clegg will take the Lib dems to power, just watch him do it, and what a great change it will be to have a leader who cares about policy instead of enforcing tired old ones.
If you ask me mr clegg u sold us all BS with your election...I cant Believe your going to be Camerons poodle I will never VOTE LIB DEM AGAIN... You made out to us all you was diffrent...YOUR just like the rest...!!!!! BS!!!!!
Don't expect anything to change after the election whoever you vote for. All the main parties are loyal to organizations like Common Purpose, the Bilderberg group, the EU and the globalist banking cartel. All are aiding the subversion of the UK on behalf of the EU. All support the growing police state, the aggressive wars, the banker bailouts and the destruction of British freedom and sovereignty. The voting system is there to give the illusion of choice. Research the new world order.
Just reminder, if you don`t know what is all about ! Nick Clegg, is the British Member of Parliament for Sheffield Hallam and, since 18 December 2007, leader of the Liberal Democrats.
I agree with him on both issues. EU, and crime. Rehabilitation should be the focus of dealing with crime, not 'punishment', by throwing people in prison and throwing away their lives.
what is wrong with you all you euro-nationalist morons. Go and get your eyes tested. Europe is destroying us and our civil liberties. By supporting the EU you are giving away your basic freedoms! Please don't do that to yourselves! Vote for someone with backbone that will tell the greedy Eurocrats where to go! Vote UKIP who actually care about Britain without the racist agenda of the BNP!
UKIP who have somehow made millions of pounds disappear from nowhere! They are a party that cannot be trusted and only focus on issues like immigration and the EU. There is no way they can sort out this economical mess.
Oh really? The Lib Dems were the only party to predict the economic downturn, the only big party to oppose Iraq. If the Lib Dems had sufficient say in how this country is run then it would most likely be in a better state. They are also the only party willing to take the EU seriously and use it to our advantage
The Lib Dems did not by any stretch of the imagination predict the economic downturn. Vince Cable did make some comments about the overpricing of the housing market, but did not (and specifically disavowed having claimed to) predict the global economic crisis which was caused primarily by the American mortgage markets.
Was the Falklands War the most pointless war of all time, with hundreds of British soldiers losing their lives for nothing? Why defend some islands thousands of miles away, when at home whole towns and cities were being invaded with Mosques and Temples being built on Christian Land. After all it is a cross on the Union Jack, the very symbol of Christianity. Or is our own flag racist?
Wasnt it labour who introduced youth offender panels through the 1997 Criminal Justice Act?
By not putting criminals in prison, do you think any politcal party can survive in parliament, due to the strong harsh views echoed daily in the press?
U talked about confronting criminals with thier victims. This was good.
But that you would push the lisbon treaty (as said in an interview) that would shift alot of parliment power to the EU and allow EU laws presidence over Sovereign laws, that it would add an additional citizenship to each person that would take priority of our old one. That it would have a supreme court without jury, THAT IT IS SELF AMENDING!
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Erech01:
You nonse. Who elected G.Brown in??? Not the Brits. Who elected to go into the EU..? Not the Brits. Where did you go to school ? ... Brussels? You need a good kick in if you ask me. You arnt Britsih or with the majority of the people. I bet your an MP? Its people like you that drag this country down with you Pro Illegal EU fantasys which MOST OF BRITAIN HAS HAD ENOUGH OF.
You're clearly talking out your arse. Most of Britain has not had enough of Europe, it's a very small minority. In other words, people like you who don't understand how modern political systems work - like how we inevitably NEED Europe, whether you like it or not. Stop talking shit and keep your elitist opinions to yourself.
'Its people like you that drag this country down with you Pro Illegal EU fantasys'
People like me!!!?? Your the one who is being pesimistic about everything, its people like YOU who are only making things worse, when will the BNP and UKIP grow up and realise we are no longer the British Empire and that we cant just pull up our drawbridge to other cultures because they are different.
Grow up, get an education and make a contribution or leave!
Its sad that much of the content in response to the Lib Dem PPB is whether or note a vote for UKIP is a wasted vote. Just goes to show that Lib Dems have so far failed to make the case for continuing membership of the EU and why they are the best party to represent us.
This appeared in my sub box next to a video by the BBC entitled 'Has Stacey Lost the Plot?' - I wasn't really looking, and I thought it said 'Has Nick Clegg Lost the Plot?'.
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'Don't throw people into prison', wtf? as if they are there for no reason! Yeh; let them all out, that'll be great. thank god this lot will never get in power
He never said to not throw people into prison, but that there is no point in putting them in prison if they are just going to come back out a week later and re-offended, this way, it is still retribution because the victims decide the the punishment and the re-offending rate is over 85% lower! re-offending is over 50% of our crime, cut it and you cut crime!
Let them know theyll go to prison if they break the law. Then put them in for a long time if they do. Dont make it comfortable. Word gets around. I do 'understand' thx very much. Firmness, fairness, consistency, clarity. Most people including crims respect that way.
1.48 good system. i'm sure it works, as the figures show, but i can only imagine it working with lesser crimes and criminals. However, i would like to see the bankers go through the same process of explaining what they did to our economy and why.
Guys.... we could go into detail about the ins & outs of Brussels.... but lets not!
We in the UK are Europeans, they only thing that divides us with our European brothers & sisters is a bit of water & some salt. There isnt any nation in Europe that doesn't share the same broad history, values or ideals with.
We can dwell on how undemocratic it can be, but this is only because we the British people have let it be that way.
Yes the commission is undemocratic, however the parliament even though its really an assembly is more democratic than our own because of proportional representation.
In Britain we pride ourselves as forward thinkers dont we? we lecture other countries on whats good for them & tell them too look at the bigger picture We have institutions that broaden our view of the world much more than any other EU nations.
Frankly i think the argument for leaving say more about our national insecurities re identity & we shouldnt listen to UKIP, they are a load of rubbish, the world has changed since they were in the good old days being lectured about empire.
I hope everybody vote lib dems & starts to change the argument is the EU good for us & change it to, how can we improve it for our children.
I quite honestly and sincerely would vote UKIP even if I had a gun to my head. A vote for UKIP is a vote for blundering idiots who will withdraw us from Europe and then flounder around not knowing how to deal with the countless other internal issues that we will have to deal with.
How will UKIP fare on the international stage? Besides appearing xenophobic and uncooperative, they will be seen as weak and incapable. Ironic really, seeing as they believe the UK is strong and solitary.
Leaving the EU is a ridiculous idea! As the party has pointed out we are stronger together! Yes we may spend more on the EU than we receive directly back (I don't understand why you'd expect the same back anyway, why pool the money in the first place if you're not going to spend it on research and stability measures?) but we'd never be able to achieve the same things alone - Why do you think the USA and China are so powerful?
Please look at all the issues guys - and then VOTE LIBDEM! :)
Exactly, which is why we should stop giving (nett) the EU £40m every single day. Yes, we pay forty million pounds more to the EU than we receive back, every single day.
Think how many houses, schools or hospitals that could build.
It's not a matter of summoning up money. It's about spending the income we already produce BETTER.
Hello.... I think we have someone directly quoting thw UKIP broadcast here.... Don't believe all the figures you hear, luvdupraver. Parties always have an always will use figures to their advantage. They carelessly brainwash us throughout their broadcast to think that we are 'wasting' £40m on the EU when we gain a lot more from it than meets the nationalistic eye. What about the benefits incl. increased trade, lower transaction costs, Free movement of Labour, solidarity.....etc etc
increased trade, you mean the massive deficite we have with the EU, we owe billions to the EU, we are net importers not exporters, the EU costs us, basically we get nothing from the EU. Tell it like it is.
As luvdupraver said, we are paying millions of pounds each day to the EU. I can't see any benefits of staying in it unless we can change the way it is run. Also, some of the laws coming out of Europe are just crazy.
I'm not sure about us being in the EU. The unelected bureaucrats keep making ridiculous laws that affect all of us here. They have more power than our own parliament. I'm seriously thinking about voting for UKIP at the Euro elections. They want to take us out of the EU which I think will be great.
This will be my first chance to vote on anything and I'm very undecided about it all.
Laws go through the European Parliament. That would be what this election is for. Not exactly "unelected", is it? Maybe not believe everything UKIP tell you :)
That only happens where people don't engage in the debate, the EU has a number of bureaucrats whose job is to do research and propose new laws. These are then passed to the elected members to debate and vote on.
The UK is better off within Europe, but unless we engage with the process then we'll end up with laws that we don't agree with or ones that make no sense when viewed in a British context (because they were designed to solve a Mediterranean problem).
Yes they fuckin are unelected, i didnt vote for this shite and neither did you, no one has, it was forced on us. Well i dont like it and if you do then go live there, 80% of us dont want it, dont tell me they were elected, it started as the common market, it morphed into the EU. dont get me fuckin going.
They are voted on by elected MEPs and the Council, representing the elected governments. Without the consent of those bodies, esp the Council, proposals fail to become law.
You are, I guess, talking about the Commission actually drafting laws... but, who do you think drafts UK laws? Do you think that MPs sit down and do it? Of course not. To use your language, they are written by unelected bureaucrats... the sinister "Office of the Parliamentary Counsel".
sabW1, Actually the words of the laws may be drafted by civil servants in the UK but the principle of those laws is directed by the cabinet which is made up of elected MPs (not directly elected as I would prefer, but elected). Because we do not have an elected head of state, Commissioners are entirely unrelated to the democratic process and yet they propose legislation.
Commissioners are directed by, for example, the European Council - of elected heads of state and government.
I feel that we are dancing on the head of a pin. Your central charge - that the EU is an unelected monster and the UK Government is a pure and elected - simply doesn't stack up.
There is nothing in Brussels that is as much an affront to democracy as the very unelected House of Lords.
sabW1, I quite deliberately did not and would not defend the UK parliament for democracy. The Barnet formula, the lack of an elected head of state and, as you say, the unelected HoL are major concerns.
But the principle is true that the Commission is a non-democratic institution fulfilling a role carried out in modern democratic states by elected representatives of the people.
So if its so good why didnt we get a referendum on it, cos we would have been out thats why,we dont want it and we dont need it, you and a few others might be brainwashed but the rest of us certainly are not.
0:14 SEXi NICKi was called a"traitor" by english=CUNT students=Druggies, Alchies&Oral+ANAL-PERFORMERs (especially white,english"posh"+ policeOfficers'preTEEN daughters beg/pay! Black/Muslim men4PornSEX in theirGOBs).@least he's NOt a criminalGAY like allUNeducated english police"men" or a SwineWC like their daughters or HogTOILET like their MUMs who even b4the'60s didN't spend timeLearning:Cooking,LANGUAGEs(like NICK's family & Wife) but SWALLOWing: Pee,Cum+even!Poo,4Free!Get out of cuntUK Nick
KGBfbiSECUpolitia 1 year ago
Nick Clegg is so inspirational. You watch him in the debates during the time when people ask questions, the Torries and Labor just answer the question with preplanned party lines, Nick actually bothers to remember the names of the questioner and talks directly to them. He also obviously cares about the answer.
Clegg will take the Lib dems to power, just watch him do it, and what a great change it will be to have a leader who cares about policy instead of enforcing tired old ones.
2edsajdmsa 1 year ago
If you ask me mr clegg u sold us all BS with your election...I cant Believe your going to be Camerons poodle I will never VOTE LIB DEM AGAIN... You made out to us all you was diffrent...YOUR just like the rest...!!!!! BS!!!!!
kinesas101 1 year ago
what a sexy politician
gavancruise 1 year ago
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Don't expect anything to change after the election whoever you vote for. All the main parties are loyal to organizations like Common Purpose, the Bilderberg group, the EU and the globalist banking cartel. All are aiding the subversion of the UK on behalf of the EU. All support the growing police state, the aggressive wars, the banker bailouts and the destruction of British freedom and sovereignty. The voting system is there to give the illusion of choice. Research the new world order.
boogaloo80 1 year ago
VOTING LIB DEM 2010!
NICK CLEGG 4 British Prime Minister!
The only party and leader that has put principles above political ambition.
0613162k 1 year ago
Just reminder, if you don`t know what is all about ! Nick Clegg, is the British Member of Parliament for Sheffield Hallam and, since 18 December 2007, leader of the Liberal Democrats.
allexxandy 2 years ago 2
I agree with him on both issues. EU, and crime. Rehabilitation should be the focus of dealing with crime, not 'punishment', by throwing people in prison and throwing away their lives.
mogenim 2 years ago
I so wish we had politicians like him in the US. Instead we end up with "blue dog" democrats that prevent anything from getting done.
whitespider20 2 years ago
Now, now, you must understand that the man is a UTOPIAN FANTASIST--that is what makes him a LibDem.
gagothesith 2 years ago
Let me guess... you're either a UKIP or BNP voter..
binstig 2 years ago
what is wrong with you all you euro-nationalist morons. Go and get your eyes tested. Europe is destroying us and our civil liberties. By supporting the EU you are giving away your basic freedoms! Please don't do that to yourselves! Vote for someone with backbone that will tell the greedy Eurocrats where to go! Vote UKIP who actually care about Britain without the racist agenda of the BNP!
ivowtotheemycountry1 2 years ago
UKIP who have somehow made millions of pounds disappear from nowhere! They are a party that cannot be trusted and only focus on issues like immigration and the EU. There is no way they can sort out this economical mess.
binstig 2 years ago 2
This country is fucked and its the big three who've don it
preddo53 2 years ago
Oh really? The Lib Dems were the only party to predict the economic downturn, the only big party to oppose Iraq. If the Lib Dems had sufficient say in how this country is run then it would most likely be in a better state. They are also the only party willing to take the EU seriously and use it to our advantage
binstig 2 years ago 8
Lets not forget standing up for our civil liberties and proposing radical environmental policy before any of the other major parties.
mysteryninja 2 years ago
The Lib Dems did not by any stretch of the imagination predict the economic downturn. Vince Cable did make some comments about the overpricing of the housing market, but did not (and specifically disavowed having claimed to) predict the global economic crisis which was caused primarily by the American mortgage markets.
ianern32 1 year ago
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Was the Falklands War the most pointless war of all time, with hundreds of British soldiers losing their lives for nothing? Why defend some islands thousands of miles away, when at home whole towns and cities were being invaded with Mosques and Temples being built on Christian Land. After all it is a cross on the Union Jack, the very symbol of Christianity. Or is our own flag racist?
Temp57 2 years ago
Wasnt it labour who introduced youth offender panels through the 1997 Criminal Justice Act?
By not putting criminals in prison, do you think any politcal party can survive in parliament, due to the strong harsh views echoed daily in the press?
jakerushy 2 years ago
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123shasbat 2 years ago
U talked about confronting criminals with thier victims. This was good.
But that you would push the lisbon treaty (as said in an interview) that would shift alot of parliment power to the EU and allow EU laws presidence over Sovereign laws, that it would add an additional citizenship to each person that would take priority of our old one. That it would have a supreme court without jury, THAT IT IS SELF AMENDING!
That we shouldnt vote on that as a people?
NO VOTE!!!!!!
Archivian01 2 years ago
Hear, hear; Mr. Clegg! Only soon do I hope that you will PM!
musicalsandstuff 2 years ago
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Labour & Tories have rotated power between themselves for almost 87 years.
They have become centralised, over comfortable, demotivated and apathetic.
In an attempt to half please everyone, they serve NOBODY.
It's time for a 3rd party to come in and SHAKE THINGS UP A BIT!
VOTE 3RD PARTY WITH ME!
liberaluk10 2 years ago 2
Vote the UKIP unless you want to be rules by the illegal unelected EU.
sim0b 2 years ago
'Vote the UKIP unless you want to be rules by the illegal unelected EU. '
Actually MEP's are elected, what do you think the european elections are for? the eurovision song contest?!!!
Erech01 2 years ago
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Erech01:
You nonse. Who elected G.Brown in??? Not the Brits. Who elected to go into the EU..? Not the Brits. Where did you go to school ? ... Brussels? You need a good kick in if you ask me. You arnt Britsih or with the majority of the people. I bet your an MP? Its people like you that drag this country down with you Pro Illegal EU fantasys which MOST OF BRITAIN HAS HAD ENOUGH OF.
Go home.
sim0b 2 years ago
You're clearly talking out your arse. Most of Britain has not had enough of Europe, it's a very small minority. In other words, people like you who don't understand how modern political systems work - like how we inevitably NEED Europe, whether you like it or not. Stop talking shit and keep your elitist opinions to yourself.
lcy12356 2 years ago 2
UKIP MEP Nigel Farage stunning attack on PM Gordon Brown !!! - March 2009
Try watching that you idiots.
sim0b 2 years ago
'You nonse. Who elected G.Brown in??? Not the Brits. '
What exactly are you protestign against here? i completly agree Brown should declare a GE.
'Where did you go to school ? ... Brussels?'
Newcastle...
' You need a good kick in if you ask me. You arnt Britsih'
Im more British than you!
'I bet your an MP?'
Lol, no, you fail...again.
Erech01 2 years ago
'Its people like you that drag this country down with you Pro Illegal EU fantasys'
People like me!!!?? Your the one who is being pesimistic about everything, its people like YOU who are only making things worse, when will the BNP and UKIP grow up and realise we are no longer the British Empire and that we cant just pull up our drawbridge to other cultures because they are different.
Grow up, get an education and make a contribution or leave!
Erech01 2 years ago 3
GO read the lisbon treaty , I dont want to live in a totalitarian superstate , SO FUCK U. thats why i'll vote UKIP.
mmtot 2 years ago
'I dont want to live in a totalitarian superstate '
Me either...
'SO FUCK U. thats why i'll vote UKIP. '
UKIP are a joke party.
Erech01 2 years ago 2
we will see if they are a joke party or not soon eh
mitchverr 2 years ago
Its sad that much of the content in response to the Lib Dem PPB is whether or note a vote for UKIP is a wasted vote. Just goes to show that Lib Dems have so far failed to make the case for continuing membership of the EU and why they are the best party to represent us.
Bazennyl 2 years ago
This appeared in my sub box next to a video by the BBC entitled 'Has Stacey Lost the Plot?' - I wasn't really looking, and I thought it said 'Has Nick Clegg Lost the Plot?'.
hollium 2 years ago
its that bloke whos not going to win and get replaced by another bloke whos not going to win
misterfishermaan 2 years ago
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'Don't throw people into prison', wtf? as if they are there for no reason! Yeh; let them all out, that'll be great. thank god this lot will never get in power
jollyboble 2 years ago
He never said to not throw people into prison, but that there is no point in putting them in prison if they are just going to come back out a week later and re-offended, this way, it is still retribution because the victims decide the the punishment and the re-offending rate is over 85% lower! re-offending is over 50% of our crime, cut it and you cut crime!
Erech01 2 years ago
You completely misunderstand the situation.
You see prison as a mandatory method of dealing with crime, it isn't.
The goal is rehabilitation of citezens so shit like knife crime doesn't happen.
That method was a form of rehabilitation. When the suspect knows what he did was wrong, and knows why he did it, he won't do it again.
Only truly ill-minded people like Charlie Manson are where this would probably not work.
ManlySlut 2 years ago 5
Let them know theyll go to prison if they break the law. Then put them in for a long time if they do. Dont make it comfortable. Word gets around. I do 'understand' thx very much. Firmness, fairness, consistency, clarity. Most people including crims respect that way.
jollyboble 2 years ago
LOL pwned
Sylvanranger 2 years ago
Much, much better than part one because we actually hear from the people.
davimurph 2 years ago
3.12 very good point to right wing groups (BNP)
1.48 good system. i'm sure it works, as the figures show, but i can only imagine it working with lesser crimes and criminals. However, i would like to see the bankers go through the same process of explaining what they did to our economy and why.
YellowJarrett 2 years ago
Guys.... we could go into detail about the ins & outs of Brussels.... but lets not!
We in the UK are Europeans, they only thing that divides us with our European brothers & sisters is a bit of water & some salt. There isnt any nation in Europe that doesn't share the same broad history, values or ideals with.
We can dwell on how undemocratic it can be, but this is only because we the British people have let it be that way.
johnnylvg 2 years ago 2
Yes the commission is undemocratic, however the parliament even though its really an assembly is more democratic than our own because of proportional representation.
In Britain we pride ourselves as forward thinkers dont we? we lecture other countries on whats good for them & tell them too look at the bigger picture We have institutions that broaden our view of the world much more than any other EU nations.
johnnylvg 2 years ago
Frankly i think the argument for leaving say more about our national insecurities re identity & we shouldnt listen to UKIP, they are a load of rubbish, the world has changed since they were in the good old days being lectured about empire.
I hope everybody vote lib dems & starts to change the argument is the EU good for us & change it to, how can we improve it for our children.
johnnylvg 2 years ago
Agreed, UKIP and the BNP make it seem asif its out to rule us whereas in reality, it doesnt have that kind of power over any member.
Erech01 2 years ago
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VOTE UKIP IF you want a future
sim0b 2 years ago
I quite honestly and sincerely would vote UKIP even if I had a gun to my head. A vote for UKIP is a vote for blundering idiots who will withdraw us from Europe and then flounder around not knowing how to deal with the countless other internal issues that we will have to deal with.
How will UKIP fare on the international stage? Besides appearing xenophobic and uncooperative, they will be seen as weak and incapable. Ironic really, seeing as they believe the UK is strong and solitary.
jessicafowler268 2 years ago
*wouldn't
jessicafowler268 2 years ago
haha
MissInformati0n 2 years ago
If UKIP MEP's are going to give us a future then why have so many UKIP MEP's quit or been fired over expense scandels?
Erech01 2 years ago
2, only 2, stop repeating what youve heard on tv.
preddo53 2 years ago
Leaving the EU is a ridiculous idea! As the party has pointed out we are stronger together! Yes we may spend more on the EU than we receive directly back (I don't understand why you'd expect the same back anyway, why pool the money in the first place if you're not going to spend it on research and stability measures?) but we'd never be able to achieve the same things alone - Why do you think the USA and China are so powerful?
Please look at all the issues guys - and then VOTE LIBDEM! :)
delponte 2 years ago 4
"I'm seriously thinking about voting for UKIP at the Euro elections. They want to take us out of the EU which I think will be great."
Do you understand what being in the EU does for this country? They pumo loads of money in to rebuild and modernise towns and old areas.
The north east in perticular has had Billions of pounds pumped into it from the EU, we would be losing too much leaving.
asdam90 2 years ago 4
You think we couldn't do that ourselves?
We created the industrial revolution in the north long before the EU existed.
luvdupraver 2 years ago
You can't just magically summon up that sort of money or we would do it. Lets face it, the EU makes a difference and leaving would be silly.
asdam90 2 years ago 4
Exactly, which is why we should stop giving (nett) the EU £40m every single day. Yes, we pay forty million pounds more to the EU than we receive back, every single day.
Think how many houses, schools or hospitals that could build.
It's not a matter of summoning up money. It's about spending the income we already produce BETTER.
luvdupraver 2 years ago
Hello.... I think we have someone directly quoting thw UKIP broadcast here.... Don't believe all the figures you hear, luvdupraver. Parties always have an always will use figures to their advantage. They carelessly brainwash us throughout their broadcast to think that we are 'wasting' £40m on the EU when we gain a lot more from it than meets the nationalistic eye. What about the benefits incl. increased trade, lower transaction costs, Free movement of Labour, solidarity.....etc etc
jessicafowler268 2 years ago
increased trade, you mean the massive deficite we have with the EU, we owe billions to the EU, we are net importers not exporters, the EU costs us, basically we get nothing from the EU. Tell it like it is.
preddo53 2 years ago
As luvdupraver said, we are paying millions of pounds each day to the EU. I can't see any benefits of staying in it unless we can change the way it is run. Also, some of the laws coming out of Europe are just crazy.
Hazzoufc 2 years ago
I'm not sure about us being in the EU. The unelected bureaucrats keep making ridiculous laws that affect all of us here. They have more power than our own parliament. I'm seriously thinking about voting for UKIP at the Euro elections. They want to take us out of the EU which I think will be great.
This will be my first chance to vote on anything and I'm very undecided about it all.
Hazzoufc 2 years ago
Laws go through the European Parliament. That would be what this election is for. Not exactly "unelected", is it? Maybe not believe everything UKIP tell you :)
Whouk 2 years ago 3
They didn't tell me that. I have seen reports that say most of laws are made by the unelected in Brussels.
The only thing I don't like about Lib Dems is that they are Pro Europe.
Hazzoufc 2 years ago
That only happens where people don't engage in the debate, the EU has a number of bureaucrats whose job is to do research and propose new laws. These are then passed to the elected members to debate and vote on.
The UK is better off within Europe, but unless we engage with the process then we'll end up with laws that we don't agree with or ones that make no sense when viewed in a British context (because they were designed to solve a Mediterranean problem).
boggits 2 years ago 2
Laws in the EU are decided by the elected European Parliament and the Council (made up of the elected governments).
Let's not get sniffy... in the UK, half our Parliament is unelected.
sabW1 2 years ago
Yes they fuckin are unelected, i didnt vote for this shite and neither did you, no one has, it was forced on us. Well i dont like it and if you do then go live there, 80% of us dont want it, dont tell me they were elected, it started as the common market, it morphed into the EU. dont get me fuckin going.
preddo53 2 years ago
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sabW1 2 years ago
sabW1, Laws are NOT made by elected MEPs. They are in some cases voted upon by those MEPs, but they are never made by them.
gavinayling 2 years ago
They are voted on by elected MEPs and the Council, representing the elected governments. Without the consent of those bodies, esp the Council, proposals fail to become law.
You are, I guess, talking about the Commission actually drafting laws... but, who do you think drafts UK laws? Do you think that MPs sit down and do it? Of course not. To use your language, they are written by unelected bureaucrats... the sinister "Office of the Parliamentary Counsel".
sabW1 2 years ago
sabW1, Actually the words of the laws may be drafted by civil servants in the UK but the principle of those laws is directed by the cabinet which is made up of elected MPs (not directly elected as I would prefer, but elected). Because we do not have an elected head of state, Commissioners are entirely unrelated to the democratic process and yet they propose legislation.
gavinayling 2 years ago
Elected like Lord Mandelson, for example?
Commissioners are directed by, for example, the European Council - of elected heads of state and government.
I feel that we are dancing on the head of a pin. Your central charge - that the EU is an unelected monster and the UK Government is a pure and elected - simply doesn't stack up.
There is nothing in Brussels that is as much an affront to democracy as the very unelected House of Lords.
sabW1 2 years ago
sabW1, I quite deliberately did not and would not defend the UK parliament for democracy. The Barnet formula, the lack of an elected head of state and, as you say, the unelected HoL are major concerns.
But the principle is true that the Commission is a non-democratic institution fulfilling a role carried out in modern democratic states by elected representatives of the people.
gavinayling 2 years ago
So if its so good why didnt we get a referendum on it, cos we would have been out thats why,we dont want it and we dont need it, you and a few others might be brainwashed but the rest of us certainly are not.
preddo53 2 years ago
Lib Dems for Britain
samaster1991 2 years ago 3
Lib Dems for government.
grungeface87 2 years ago 4