thank you very much for this info.. I searched all over the net to find just what you explained about mounting sink before installing countertop as well as an actual visual of the clips
I work as a Licensed Plumber's Apprentice in Houston, Texas. I'm eagerly looking forward to taking my Tradesman test around summer this year, and I was wondering if you have any recommendations on literature for Service Technicians? I would love to find any valuable sources of information that describe the proper way to lay sewer pipe, installing a Tankless Water Heater, or general troubleshooting tips for an aspiring plumber.
Congrats on your vocational decision! We need plumbers, especially dedicated ones. You better read all my past columns about Tankless Heaters before you continue to gush about them. You can start your educational journey by reading every column I have in two categories: Plumbing Design and Plumbing Supplies at my AsktheBuilder website. I cover much of what you ask. Then read the installation manuals provided by the product manufacturers.
Question for you, if your redoing your kitchen counter top, and have a top mount sink you want to install, but install it on the under side of the counter top, how would one go about doing this? I like the sink to be flush mounted or recessed or even counter sunk with the counter top. SO much easier to brush the food left overs off into the sink, and not have to worry about catching the lip where waste can get caught and start growing things.
So not even possible unless your VERY creative and innovative to get it to work. Other than that, if its built one way, and it can only be installed one way. I can live with that. Thanks.
to jump in on this one.. sure why not? as long as it's sealed and secure what's the concern? porbably not much creativity required at all.
Tim i love your videos, i learned some priceless lessons but i can't see why this shouldn't possible, perhaps not traditional but ...so what? i just saw at home depot an elkay over/under mount sink, looked very much like traditional top mount.
i think you can do it, and make the video as you do it to show the next guy.
I believe what the message of the thread is: Only install a sink the way the manufacturer designs it. If you've located a sink that's approve for both over and under mount, then go for it.
But Im encouraging GR8racingfool to proceed with the idea of mounting a top mount on the underside, give ma a legit reason why not? Because the manufacturer didn't have that in mind, who cares? if it works, if it's sealed and secure go for it.
a difference between a do-it-yourselfer and a pro is sometimes we're willing to break the rules to make it work, some pros get a little too caught up in a "standard", probably because they're billing someone else.
Because overmount sinks are not set up for that. I hate to say it, but you're the type of person that really upsets manufacturers. You take a product and use it in a way that's not approved. That's bad jujumagumbo. First and foremost it almost always voids any warranty.
do you work for the manufacturer? i don't care about that part. "sealed and secure" are my key words.
again love your videos and tips, not trying to be resistant just saying more than one way to skin a cat, right? even if it breaks tradition, i'm sure one can achieve functionality.
No I don't. What I get each day are about 100 emails from homeowners in pain whose problems are almost always traced to products installed in a way that is not approved. No need to reply, as it's obvious to all who read your comments that you feel the need to ignore recommendations. That's your right.
Gentlemen! Try using the Springfast "Pivi" Clamp sink clip which has a pivoting leg so you can preinstall clip on the sink rail, swing it out of the way, drop in sink, swing back into place and tighten screw.Look up the usual Google type links to see where obtainable.
I had to do one just like this and REALLY tight. Used a pair of ultra long long nose pliers (about 12" long tip to handle end) and grabbed the clamp with screw and worked it in then used my handy Craftsman long phillips to tighten. Took twice the time but I wasnt pulling a counter top. Make sure to mention using plumber's putty on faucets and sink installs - saves the headaches of a rotted cabinet. Great vids Tim - your roof algae vid solved what to use - I planned on everyday bleach diluted.
A great one again tim. There is one thing I never understood, what is all that stuff that is.. looks like taped on to the bottom of stainless steel sinks?
There are extension tools that can help those who cannot read screws with manual tools.
What about those who are renovating and cannot remove the old countertops?
12quillemall5321 1 month ago
thank you very much for this info.. I searched all over the net to find just what you explained about mounting sink before installing countertop as well as an actual visual of the clips
60showho 9 months ago
Good explanations that can only be found here. No one else mentioned the under sink clips or how to watch for proper mounting. Great video.
Lockemeister 9 months ago
Excellent explanation of the channels and clamps.
Better give up the cage fighting though.
johnlvs2run 1 year ago
@johnlvs2run Thanks for the kind words. I also recently discovered I have to give up wakeboarding. :-/
AsktheBuilder 1 year ago
Tim.....your the man! Great videos! Keep them coming!!!!!
dcguy4023 1 year ago
Great videos! Keep up the good work!
tuvoca 2 years ago
Hi Tim!
I work as a Licensed Plumber's Apprentice in Houston, Texas. I'm eagerly looking forward to taking my Tradesman test around summer this year, and I was wondering if you have any recommendations on literature for Service Technicians? I would love to find any valuable sources of information that describe the proper way to lay sewer pipe, installing a Tankless Water Heater, or general troubleshooting tips for an aspiring plumber.
Keep up with the awesome videos!
PeacefulKnight 3 years ago
Congrats on your vocational decision! We need plumbers, especially dedicated ones. You better read all my past columns about Tankless Heaters before you continue to gush about them. You can start your educational journey by reading every column I have in two categories: Plumbing Design and Plumbing Supplies at my AsktheBuilder website. I cover much of what you ask. Then read the installation manuals provided by the product manufacturers.
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago
Question for you, if your redoing your kitchen counter top, and have a top mount sink you want to install, but install it on the under side of the counter top, how would one go about doing this? I like the sink to be flush mounted or recessed or even counter sunk with the counter top. SO much easier to brush the food left overs off into the sink, and not have to worry about catching the lip where waste can get caught and start growing things.
GR8racingfool 3 years ago
This is not a good idea. Go look at a true undermount sink compared to an overmount and you will see why.
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago
So not even possible unless your VERY creative and innovative to get it to work. Other than that, if its built one way, and it can only be installed one way. I can live with that. Thanks.
GR8racingfool 3 years ago
Good. Always install a product the way it should be. You need to get an undermount sink.....
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago
to jump in on this one.. sure why not? as long as it's sealed and secure what's the concern? porbably not much creativity required at all.
Tim i love your videos, i learned some priceless lessons but i can't see why this shouldn't possible, perhaps not traditional but ...so what? i just saw at home depot an elkay over/under mount sink, looked very much like traditional top mount.
i think you can do it, and make the video as you do it to show the next guy.
kthcsh 2 years ago
I believe what the message of the thread is: Only install a sink the way the manufacturer designs it. If you've located a sink that's approve for both over and under mount, then go for it.
AsktheBuilder 2 years ago
But Im encouraging GR8racingfool to proceed with the idea of mounting a top mount on the underside, give ma a legit reason why not? Because the manufacturer didn't have that in mind, who cares? if it works, if it's sealed and secure go for it.
a difference between a do-it-yourselfer and a pro is sometimes we're willing to break the rules to make it work, some pros get a little too caught up in a "standard", probably because they're billing someone else.
kthcsh 2 years ago
Because overmount sinks are not set up for that. I hate to say it, but you're the type of person that really upsets manufacturers. You take a product and use it in a way that's not approved. That's bad jujumagumbo. First and foremost it almost always voids any warranty.
AsktheBuilder 2 years ago
do you work for the manufacturer? i don't care about that part. "sealed and secure" are my key words.
again love your videos and tips, not trying to be resistant just saying more than one way to skin a cat, right? even if it breaks tradition, i'm sure one can achieve functionality.
kthcsh 2 years ago
No I don't. What I get each day are about 100 emails from homeowners in pain whose problems are almost always traced to products installed in a way that is not approved. No need to reply, as it's obvious to all who read your comments that you feel the need to ignore recommendations. That's your right.
AsktheBuilder 2 years ago
Gentlemen! Try using the Springfast "Pivi" Clamp sink clip which has a pivoting leg so you can preinstall clip on the sink rail, swing it out of the way, drop in sink, swing back into place and tighten screw.Look up the usual Google type links to see where obtainable.
springfastuk 3 years ago
hi cagefighter.
your videos are great but they are very few in number. i'd like a whole lot more, covering all aspects of housebuilding and other DIY projects.
also, we know imperial here in the UK but i prefer metric. some of your videos also mention words which i believe are America only.
dude - we are all out here listening. you got the whole world to speak to.
more plse!
jumpleadsx2 3 years ago
Thanks! More are coming....... I am building the Home-Improvement Doomsday Machine now. Wait until you see what is around the corner.
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago
Cage Fighter tee hee
Your a funny guy Tim! ,would love to see that cage fight !
Would you wear your Tool Belt ha ha !
Great tip I almost made the fatale mistake a few week ends ,luck i was on the ball
xXsnitchyXx 3 years ago
Or you could just use a longer screwdriver?!?!?!
Bretty135 3 years ago
Sure, but that is half the problem. You need to install the clips in the channel and rotate them into position....
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago
I had to do one just like this and REALLY tight. Used a pair of ultra long long nose pliers (about 12" long tip to handle end) and grabbed the clamp with screw and worked it in then used my handy Craftsman long phillips to tighten. Took twice the time but I wasnt pulling a counter top. Make sure to mention using plumber's putty on faucets and sink installs - saves the headaches of a rotted cabinet. Great vids Tim - your roof algae vid solved what to use - I planned on everyday bleach diluted.
rhblakeman 3 years ago
Thanks! Yes, you can get in there as you describe, but what a PITA!
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago
PITA puts it perfectly. Glad I don't do this for a living, only as a homeowner and part time as a handyman.
rhblakeman 3 years ago
Another great practical video!!!
Grancie48 3 years ago
Table saw got your thumb?
gschjetne 3 years ago
Nope. Hammer got tendon at base of thumb.
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago
A great one again tim. There is one thing I never understood, what is all that stuff that is.. looks like taped on to the bottom of stainless steel sinks?
Sharkie626 3 years ago
That is sound-deadening insulation.
AsktheBuilder 3 years ago