APEX Clothing (Mafia 2)

[MrAlbinoGhost]

how can i get this to work on my ps3?

[HelpMyFellowPeople]

So where do I download this plugin?

[GunSotsOverMe]

"New version of Bullet physics engine SDK has a HW-acceleration support through both OpenCL and DirectCompute for compliant GPUs. However, right now HW acceleration is used only in cloth module. Also, the new plugin for 3Dmax have been released, which should get things easier for developers. Basically, it's PhysX plugin, with PhysX engine replaced by Bullet. I'd say, that's a start, finally"

Told you open source is the way forwards and physx is just a gimick

[BigdogWitBigdog]

@GunSotsOverMe For fucks sake they're physics engines. Must we get so political over pieces software?

[GunSotsOverMe]

@BigdogWitBigdog We got political over it? :o

[Jappeke007]

I hope they add smoking suits without a hat.. those hats look stupid

[bladerj]

pre sets, yeah, i figured this when every game with maleable cloth behaves the same way,like mirror edge plastic protection and Batman:AA flags,also the glass shatter the same...they just leave the preset in.

[kotsarikos13]

Yeah 500 euros for moving clothes! Thieves!

[callakt]

i think they try to make mafia 2 the best game of the year

[thedbzmaster100]

@callakt BUt what about black ops?

[GunSotsOverMe]

I loved mafia 1 so much, its sad that you guys sold out to ndivia and their gimmick physx, but I understand and forgive you.

[nooblet911]

how it's a gimmick if it makes physics better? maybe it's more visual, but it's a plus regardless. ati didn't invent physx and nvidia has no reason to share it with their competitors. if ati has a better solution, I don't know why they don't make it.

[GunSotsOverMe]

@nooblet911 What's ati has to do with it?

[GunSotsOverMe]

@nooblet911 Anyways in case you don't know nvidia are assholes for what they did and physx is a gimmick but don't take my word for it, John Carmack supports this view.

[nooblet911]

assholes for not sharing their tech with their competitors?

well from this perspective ati are assholes for not sharing their, idk, eyefinity tech with nvidia.

[GunSotsOverMe]

@nooblet911 Again what does ati has to do with it? Wake up.

They created a gimmick, rather pointless hardware accelerated eyecandy. Is there any bloody reason for mafia 2 or any other game that uses physx to use hardware accelerated physics? No. They could have used havoc or bullet but no nvidia bought them to introduce this gimmick in such a good game.

If you haven't yet, see what John Carmack has to say about it and if you don't believe him then I don't care for what you think.

[nooblet911]

I know its mainly for fancy looking explosions and such, but nvidia has it while ati doesn't. why don't they make their physx? it could be called atix and provide even bigger explosions.

[GunSotsOverMe]

@nooblet911 Youtube box is too small for me to explain you Physx but if you take your time to research what it is, you will find out its a gimmick. There are other physics open source libraries, let me give you an example, why play a crappy ball with a huge niki logo on it when you can play a very good football with no logo on it at all.

What these guys did is they got paid by nvidia to use a crappy ball (which we suffer for).

Havok + bullet = good physics, physx = gimmick.

[ZEZgamer]

@GunSotsOverMe someone is mad because he doesnt have a nvidia card

[GunSotsOverMe]

@ZEZgamer More disappointed with mafia's developers choice to sell out, they could have used software acceleration for cloth so that everybody could enjoy it goodness, including consoles.

[ZEZgamer]

@GunSotsOverMe i kind of agree with that. the fact that something like that was such an important icon of the 50s and its only visible on the pc does seem bad. but, there's probably a reason why they chose that path

[bladerj]

@GunSotsOverMe you can use cpu with apex, at least in the demo, i found if was a little better in performance then activating phsyx apex on my gpu.

[super6plx]

@GunSotsOverMe are you sure about physx being JUST a gimmick? it seems to me that all the demos I've seen with physx have done things that are INSANELY complex, much too complex for the cpu alone. eg: that bridge demo on the gtx400's where they rendered 10,000 particles just to see if they could do it, then they rendered 100,000 to push the limits, then ten million (I think) and it didn't even slow down. there was footage. I'm wondering if a cpu can do that kind of physics.

[GunSotsOverMe]

@super6plx Well such intense physics are better rendered on a gpu its not like we're going to see such implementation of physics in a game, then we'd need a dedicated physics card and kind of kills the purpose of physx.

Cpu can handle physics that physx makes its just its poorly coded for cpu, once physics libraries mature we'll need a gpu physics rendering but that is with open source physics library and not nvidia nor ati owned one.

Future lies in havok bulle andt other open source libraries

[bladerj]

@nooblet911 becouse ATI knows physx to be a gimmick just like EAX was for creative cards, why tax even more on gpu when cpu can handle it ? the problem was it is time consuming to code for multi cpu, alan awake was going to be the first to do that untill they sold out to microsoft box.

[bladerj]

@GunSotsOverMe never heard of bullets engine, what games used it ?

[GunSotsOverMe]

@bladerj Google is your friend, on top of my head, gta4 and red dead redemption.

[Knasterreal1]

@GunSotsOverMe You're the asshole

[GunSotsOverMe]

@Knasterreal1 Not really, but you are an idiot, thats for sure.

[Knasterreal1]

@GunSotsOverMe Why do you say that? You're theone that dont understand technology and competition. You're the stupid one if you call Nvidia or take2 assholes for using physx one of the best inovations in graphic cards. ATI sucks andso do u retard.

[GunSotsOverMe]

@Knasterreal1

I presume you know nothing about technology as open source is the way forward. Physx is a gimmick. I own gtx 470 so trust me I am unbiased on the subject.

I actually knwo what im talking about you don't my friend.

Again as I said before you are an idiot.

[Knasterreal1]

@GunSotsOverMe I have worked on developing graphics so i think i know morethan you so dont even start something you cant win. Nvidia and amd went to bed because intel and ati didso to lock nvidia out. Physx is an result of that. Ati has notyet been ableto create anything better than physx. It's not a friggin gimmick since it makes games smoother.

[GunSotsOverMe]

@Knasterreal1 matey you are talking about of yours ass. Open source physics engine can do cloth. Physx is a gimmick every sane person knows it.

TWIMTB and physx is nvidias asshole moves. Deal with it.

There are physx open source libraries that can do everything physx does on CPU. The only thing physx can do that others can't is smoke particle and something else don't remember fully.

Come on matey nobody tried to lock nvidia out more than nvidia tried to lock them out.

Its all marketing gimmick

[GunSotsOverMe]

@Knasterreal1 2nd comment just because you "worked on developing "graphics" " doesn't mean anything, what the fuck does it even mean you idiot, which engine or C++ easy bullshit?

Every sane developer KNWOS physx is a marketing gimmick, they get paid to implement it. They is no incentive to use physx BUT MONEY.

THey talk big talk about cloth physx, HAVOC can do it.

FUck off matey despite your arrogant view, you do in fact know nothing on the subject so piss off.

Such arrogant view angers me

[GunSotsOverMe]

@Knasterreal1 3d comment to complitely crush you.

Physx doesn't make games run smoother you halfwit, in fact it slows down games.

People need to get a dedicated gpu to run physx (whihc CPU could easily handle if nvidia allow physx to be optimised for cpu) . How fucken stupid and arrogant you have to be?!

Now read all 3 comments, realise how wrong you are and apologise for your arrogant stupidity.

[podtech115]

@Knasterreal1 What do you mean by 'worked on developing graphics '?

Are you working on a game right now? Can I ask you some questions?

[Knasterreal1]

@podtech115 No i've worked on developing graphic cards. But what question is it?

[podtech115]

@Knasterreal1 Well, let's see.... is it true that RayTracing is not as fast as it should be on the GPU? That it's even slower then an 8-core CPU?

For the Playstation 4, what would be the best way to run physics? On a GPU or on a CPU?

[Knasterreal1]

@podtech115 Yes it's true the GPU will become a kind of bottleneck if the graphic card aint strong enough. An 8-Core CPU will not have that same problem since the workload will be assigned to all the cores.

[podtech115]

@Knasterreal1 What about physics? GPU or CPU?

[Knasterreal1]

@podtech115 GPU atleast if you have a fairly new graphics card gddr5 and with 1Gb videomemory

[podtech115]

@Knasterreal1 One last question:

There's this youtube video called "Image Space Photon Mapping" which shows real-time Global Illumination. Do you think in the future you can accelerate it with a GPU? Can you add it to the pipeline, without problems?

[Knasterreal1]

@podtech115 Yes it will be accelerated. However it will be needed to look at the power required to run the cards.

[gtagtagtagtag]

hey please help me I isntalled physx but i can't find Apex why????? ansrew me please

greeting from egypt

[MarquesZero]

This clothes will be like that in consoles?

[behemuth]

@MarquesZero No, a gamespot article confirms that apex functions like this and explosion/shockwave effects will be pc version only.

[MarquesZero]

@behemuth FUCK, After i've seend the clothes in Red Dead Redemption, i thought that Mafia 2 would have for consoles too :/

[behemuth]

@MarquesZero idk if red dead redemption uses apex for clothing, then again i could be wrong about that : p

[BarryDennen12]

I hope Mafia 2 has a level where you give hard anal sex to a hot chick for betraying the Family.

[163Chaos]

This is amazing they've really worked hard on this title omg i cant wait i didnt expect this attention to detail finally an open world mob game thats like an interactive movie, hopefully this video wasn't made on the date in was posted on youtube, i really don't want to wait i'm anxious for it to be released next month, damn.

[AreNyK]

well done

[27kalashnikov]

its in english w,fjsnjgntsiu fuck

[26DeislerFCB]

great, goty 2010

[Skyrodude]

@26DeislerFCB

agreed.

[Jopari444]

@26DeislerFCB never, not even top 5

[xtreme666bio]

@26DeislerFCB Well, I'd say Game with the most potential of the year.

[26DeislerFCB]

@26DeislerFCB well its not the goty 2010, i am disappointed, in no way it could competete with mafia 1, only graphics^^