Thank you Lord Jesus for Your forgiveness. I have broken most of your commandments and yet you still offered me forgiveness and set me free. Praise be to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior forevermore. Amen
Listen, I just had a talk wtih Gd and he said you're all way too obsessed with Him. He just wants you to go back to simply enjoying life. Trying to know Him TOO hard is causing you all to fight each other over who is right and He says thats the opposite of what He wants. So, knock it off or I'll destroy LA.
lol god can bless sex! good one... yes, no make up your fuckin mind! why is everything that "god said" always comes out of a person mouth. i never seen a sing of god even when i did beleave in that hole stupid story... come on ppl wake up!
how the world were and is, and neither on how we should interact. You may learn a lot with reason and logic - not only that evolution or big bang is true; it's propable, but we still need that last evidence :)
All I'm saying is; that we should be allowed to utter our believes and let them be discussed freely - but only in the extent of what is reasonABLE :)
Respect each others opinions and criticise them to improve them, not to destroy them.
@ImperfectTurtle i will not respect the big bang theory, to think that nothing just exploded n became everything is offensive to believe. its clear things have been made. JESUS IS LORD
@a1mint Why does he, or any other religious individual, have to conform to what you thinks is right, in order to discuss? Believe me, I'm not religious, but if both of you have to gain anything from this discussion, you have to let BOTH of your believes stand the trial of time and criticism (as John Stuart Mill explains in 'On Liberty'). Science and religion is two different set of belives and rules. Religion should be accepted as a personal aspect of life and not as a ruling explanation of.. ->
Yeah about evolution! You act like that is a goldmine or something. If you believe that we came from Apes then why is it hard for you to believe that God existed! We didn't come from Apes my friend and there is clearly evidence for that!!!
The ape argument doesn't work. We did not come from apes, but apes and humans share a common ancestor. When you go way back in time (well over 6000 years btw), humans in its earlier form and apes in it earlier form (apes looked different as well), there is an intersection. A common ancestor.
@a1mint Tell me which common ancestor are we talking about? How does this prove that there is no God? That is what we are talking about and again I never said that there isn't proof for evolution and I can say that because I've studied it before but that does not shake or contradict in what I believe, so why are you even bringing this theory up?
@Jdpteam When you go way back in time, millions of years, both humans and one of our current apes, are both very similar. Both look different from their today's versions.
At that point they are both the same. One group split off one way, the other group the other way. One group ended up developing more brain capacity, while the other group did not. One became humans, the other did not.
@Jdpteam So the next time you hear in public, people like Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, etc, when hear them make a joke that's supposed to sound funny, how come apes are not currently evolving, or if you've ever seen one animal change into another, then you know that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
They ignore the fact that it takes millions of years.
Problem is they think the earth is 6000 years old.
@Jdpteam I don't find it unreasonable for you to believe that a god might exist. I can not disprove that. One thing that fascinates me is the fact that we have an awareness. If my parents married someone else, would I still have had an awareness?
It is that part that I can not explain and is fascinating.
But the big problem is that religious people mix in silly things and then they try to defend it.
@Jdpteam I find it completely cowardly, for Christians to defend the Bible as if their life depends on it. As if they're trying to suck up and play it safe, just in case.
Dismissing scientific knowledge and findings is just plain offensive.
When many people figure out different dating mechanism proven how old something is, that all agree with each other, then a religious nut coming along just shoving it off the table is just plain offensive.
@a1mint No my friend! If they were such proof then don't you think that we would have more evidence as far as finding more fossil remains? Darwin's theory of evolution has been refuted many times and has been corrected. How did I know that you were going to mention evolution?
No, I'm not stubborn my friend and it's actually the other way around. I mean how can you choose to believe something that has been refuted so many times. If you can believe that we came from Apes then YOU are delusional!
@Jdpteam There is lots of evidence, you're just ignoring it, are hoping it's not vast or hoping it it's shaky or wrong. It is not wrong. There is vast array of different forms of proof. I've pointed you to a good starting set of articles at the University of Berkeley. You really need to learn about this.
Evolution is very much real and an indisputable fact.
And yes, you ARE stubborn, because you refuse to consider actual hard evidence and findings. You pretend it's not there.
@Jdpteam And again, we went through this. We did not come from apes, but humans and apes share a common ancestor. Millions of years ago, but humans and apes shared the same group. One group went one way, the other group the other way. One group developed a higher brain capacity, the other did not.
That is a split, a branch, in the tree of evolution.
Can just just please NOT pretend that we have not discussed this already?
Stop saying we come from apes, we did not. Again, read very very carefully
You live in a little world with a big surrounding and you live in a world of people have limited reasoning and limited understanding and limited knowledge.
There are at least according to Einstein and others 11 different dimensions.
You really shouldn't think that this is all there is...............
I mean you've been right in some points like defining your words and all but that's about it really. Maybe you should switch to being an Agnostic because at least I'd get more out of you lol :)
@Jdpteam You're not offering any rational thoughts or logical reasoning. NONE.
A highly superstitious world and era produced a ridiculous set of stories, all clearly meant to manipulate people into submission, and thousands of years later, idiots like you STILL far for it. It's rather RATHER sad.
You only acknowledge what you think is reasonable and what defends your way of thinking, because I assure that you are not looking really for God and you won't find him. People like you are called the fools in the bible. Because you are blind to the spiritually driven world. If you don't think that there is true good and true evil then I'm sorry for you actually.
@Jdpteam If you want to coin the idea that there is a god, then I need to see evidence. So far, there hasn't been any. Instead, over time, we learn more and more about the world, about the universe, about reality.
Of course the Bible has all kinds of self defense mechanisms. The manipulative book it is has all kinds of clauses containing warnings and threats.
You'd have to be pretty damn gullible to fall for all that.
@a1mint If you want some evidence then ask God to reveal himself to you. Evidence is everywhere but you ignore these things on purpose. I mean look to the universe. I mean you don't really believe that we are just casually here by accident. Get real! Look at the statistics!!! Warnings? I'm sorry you feel this way, but really you've got to be pretty in the box!
@Jdpteam God doesn't reveal himself to anyone, because that is not possible. There is also no evidence of a god appearing to anyone. It's all just in people's heads. People are sick, ill, have a mental disorder.
If there is evidence, show it to me and the rest of the world. But you can't, because you don't have any evidence. Noone has any evidence.
Fossils on the other hand, IS evidence that dinosaurs and humans did not roam the earth at the same time.
@Jdpteam Oh and about that universe. Yes, look up in the sky at night. All those stars. They're really really far away. It's more evidence that the universe is older than 16 billion years at least. Completely in conflict with that young earth theory that Christian fundamentalists subscribe to.
@a1mint "They're really really far away. It's more evidence that the universe is older than 16 billion years at least" When did I ever say anything about that? Yeah, so what? You must be kidding! It's doesn't even say that in the bible. Now, does the scripture actually say that the earth is 6000 years old? No, not really. Some people debate on it.
But it looks to me like you only grab certain information that supports what you believe, so please!
@Jdpteam Reality is that the earth is over 4.5 billion years ago. Dinosaurs lived long long before humans did. Various stages of humans are found in fossils. Various dating mechanisms such as radiometric dating allows us to measure how old the various fossils were. Peacing evidence together allows us to form a reasonable (but rough) representation of the evolutionary time line tree.
@Jdpteam Fundamentalist Christians wish to defend the Bible to the letter. When you add up the various time lines and periods, supposedly it adds up to about 6000 years. Plus minus something, but that kind of ballpark.
The prehistoric time periods completely do not fit in.
The story about Adam and Eve are just too ludicrous to even bring up.
It is specifically that fundamentalist aspect of Christians that I have a problem with, because they're disrespectful to all the hard work that's been done
@Jdpteam Couldn't help but notice how you completely evade issue at hand here.
I've pointed out how fundamentalist Christians come to the conclusion that the earth supposedly is about 6000 years old.
I've asked where in the Bible there is any mention of dinosaurs.
And then I've expressed my disappointment how people (like you) can be so dumb, because it's so obvious you're dumb (yet it STILL completely escapes you).
@a1mint "I've pointed out how fundamentalist Christians come to the conclusion that the earth supposedly is about 6000 years old"
And "I" told you already that it doesn't say that the earth is 6000 years old and just because "some Christians believe that the Bible says that doesn't mean that I do" so this is pretty irrelevant.
The question you asked about the Dinosaurs is in the book of Job. Job41. just for example but there is more.
@a1mint "Fundamentalist Christians claim the earth is 6000 years old"
Still never showed me the scripture to back it up. Just because some Christians claim this doesn't mean all Christians do so I don't really care what Some Fundamentalist Christians claim!
About the dinosaurs. Do you actually think that back in the days when the old testament was written they would call these things "dinosaurs'? Get real!!! They are basically describing the same thing and I gave you scripture so???
@a1mint Must I go there again. I gave you scripture or multiple scripture that was perfectly describing what we (now) give the term (dinosaurs) and I'll make it more clear to you. Job 40:15-19
And another thing you probably have avoided about 50% or more no wait yes more of what I have given to (TRY) to reason with your little mind and all you come back with is.
"you're delusional" you're fantasizing" yayaya but still you give nothing but childish responses. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously and how can you really be that ignorant. I mean seriously have you heard your replies?
@a1mint Nope I'm not delusional and you have overused that word.
I believe in a God that does exist.
It is childish because it is only your conclusion that you have come up with because your observation revolves around nothing and that's why no one can disprove that God doesn't exist. That's because he does!
I gave you evidence. What have I left out? Tell me because I think you've obviously missed something. Who takes me seriously? Most people do and they should! Get real!
@Jdpteam You believe certain events have taken place when science clearly shows us that those events could not have occurred. You ARE delusion - very MUCH so.
You don't have any evidence that there is a god.
No you did NOT give me any evidence at all?
What about that list? You haven't answered a damn thing!
@a1mint You say that science shows that these stories are impossible but what you're really saying is that science hasn't been able to disprove it and that's really the truth because just like everything else that you claim is false you are only stating that because you are uncertain.
Just because we don't know or science hasn't figured out something doesn't make it not true!
@Jdpteam Science shows us what is realistic and what is possible in the reality we live in.
The stories break those scientific discoveries.
For example, we know that languages develop in isolated groups of people.
Your "story" says that god created these languages after striking down a tower, out of revenge. It is a ridiculous story. Your story is not true, period.
@a1mint "Science shows us what is realistic and what is possible in the reality we live in"
Correct but this is not the only reality that there is so because we have limited understanding in this reality it is poor to say that these things that happened in the Bible could have never happened.
@a1mint "There is no evidence of another reality. There is no evidence that the Bible stories took place"
You can't not really be that ignorant can you? Apparently you can! Scientist including Einstein believed that there are more dimensions than we think and so far science claims there to be at least 11 different dimensions which means that there is more realities out there then what we perceive to be and I've gone over that already!
You say I haven't given any evidence but clearly I have!
@a1mint That's completely unrelated to religion, the Bible, Jesus, Christianity
That's funny because you bring up evolution that has nothing to do with religion. I was simply trying to show you that there are more dimensions that we know of so if that is the case then there is so much that we do not know of and if that is the case don't you think that it's pretty foolish to go ahead and say that believing in God is ridiculous? I think not! You need to stop listening to Richard Dawkins! :)
@Jdpteam The problem with your version of religion is that you discard evolution. You also discard other science that contradicts to the Bible stories.
We we're able to get to the point yet about the notion of a god or a higher presence, the existence of it or not. You were too focused on defending bible stories.
You think that science and people that defend science, are ridiculous. Richard Dawkins is not ridiculous. HE points out how people are being ridiculous. He's right.
The people of Babel were descendants of Noah, hence the genealogy in the preceding chapter. It was decided upon that the descendants would be divided into tribes (as was the custom for sons to start their own clans or tribes, i.e.., the 12 tribes of Israel). The tribes were all to go to separate regions, as each tribe grew, they were to spread out away from each other so that every one had room. That was God’s plan!
@Jdpteam People wrote that book. It's the word of those people that wrote it. There is no evidence that a god was dictating anything.
Evidence shows how humans started in Africa and branched off in different directions in different groups. Evidence in the ground and DNA examinations of locals prove that. The only logical conclusion is that those groups developed their languages. Nothing to do with any tower or any god striking it down.
@a1mint The people that wrote the Bible were saints and followers of Christ and the word was inspired by God. You still do not understand that Christianity is about Faith!
God gave us one language to begin with and because people did not obey God he confused the languages so we could not comunicate. Evidence does not show that humans started in Africa because we have not been able to go that far back even using DNA! We can go far back but not to the beginning of humanity!
@a1mint Much of the Bible was written before Christ (supposedly), so they were not "followers".Inspired by god isn't proven at all. Faith is the process of non-thinking.
That's why there is the New testament and the Old testament need I say more?
God gave us vocalization you fool! God created humanity and if you want to assume that we came from some mysterious dust or evolved up into what we now are then that's just pretty sad!
@Jdpteam So can you please admit that the old testament is a load of crap and deserves to be tossed in the garbage then?
You don't know if a god created humanity. You have no evidence for that.
Religious simpletons can only see dust and humans, and fail to grasp the notion of time. Billions of years of evolution, with small increments over time.
@Jdpteam This stage of evolution is where humans began to show unique characteristics as opposed to other ape like creatures, such as upright walking, and the use of tools in ways no other animals did.
This evidence does not require dna.
Boy oh boy, you are so lost. You are so frustrated that none of your stories are working out. You must hate science don't you?
Shouldn't you be in bed resting for Sunday service?
@a1mint Who said I'm frustrated? The only one who is frustrated would have to be you according to the sarcastic remarks and cursing which suggest so haha!
Again why are you still talking about evolution? This has nothing to do with what the point of our conversation was but IF you want to go there we can.
Actually I rather like science but if you think that science is all we need and explains everything then you have problems! I don't even go to church so.........yeah!
@Jdpteam I think we're both frustrated. I'm frustrated because some people just can't seem to admit to any common sense at all. You feel you need to defend each and every little thing in your bible, even though it's crystal clear how the stories pointed out are completely impossible. Instead of considering rational thought and sound reasoning, you're making excuses to somehow make your stories work.
@Jdpteam And you're frustrated because your doctrine, your believes, are under attack, and you feel that you must do a good deed and defend and stand up for what you believe in. Our conversation would go a whole lot better if you would think a little more rationally. Admit that evolution is real, there was no Adam and Eve, there was no flood, tower of bable, parting of the red sea, etc.
Then we continue to talk so that science and your beliefs do not collide.
@Jdpteam It isn't necessary for science and beliefs to collide. But here, and in many other arguments I've had, science is in conflict with people's doctrines.
It's not unreasonable to think there is a god, surprise surprise. I've eluded to that much earlier in our fights. But it didn't seem to register.
I think it's wise to explore your thoughts, and be reasonable. Know what's real and what's not. Things like a world wide flood isn't real.
@Jdpteam One interesting aspect of our humanity is the fact that we have an awareness. I find that aspect the most fascinating of all.
I don't even find the origin of the Universe all that questionable. There are reasonable hypothesis out there that can, in somewhat far fetched ways, rationalize how it can start. Start of life and evolution are a piece of cake.
But there is the matter of the fact that we know we exist.
It seems to me that no matter what kind of support or structure that you get it's only to criticize Christians and you refute everything else on your own behalf and do not acknowledge anything else such as history, archaeological finds, or any of that other stuff right?
@Jdpteam It does not matter how much evidence and logic that is presented to you and people like you. You only ever deny anything and everything that does not fit in perfectly well with your doctrine.
I go by evidence, you do not. That puts you on the losing side.
@a1mint ok you're basically saying what I say in different words. You see you haven't presented any evidence to me so how can I refute what you haven't given?
Losing side? Wow! No, the losing side would have to be the fools that only believe what they can see and deny everything else like yourself.
Again you go by (some) evidence because I have AGAIN like I said given you evidence with support and you look the other way and I back up what I say when I say it!!!
@Jdpteam You have NOT giving any evidence. I'm still waiting on evidence how an ocean can be parted, how dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time, evidence for a world wide flood, evidence that humans started with Adam and Eve, evidence that before a tower all people spoke the same language. The list goes on and on, but zero evidence.
I've provided credible information how evolution is real, here it is again:
evolution(dot)berkeley(dot)edu
Also,to brush up, look up the definition of science
@a1mint The problem that I'm having with you is that you say that God does not exist and you have no proof, and instead of just saying that you are unsure of God's existence you say that it's impossible and it's fantasy. It's just not very wise if you ask me!
I mean seriously if you want to know about God then you need to read the scripture and even better why don't you ask God yourself if he's real. Maybe he'll even answer you!
@a1mint Ok so you are saying the stories like the ten plagues and the story of Sodom and so is all fake? Yeah ok! The story of the ten plagues has been proven again and again that they could have happen and what's weird is that if they happened then they would have happened in the exact same order as they occurred! Weird huh? The story of Sodom would be another example. During this time a comet or meteor caused it. Don't you watch discovery channel?
@Jdpteam I haven't delved too much into the specifics of those plagues, but I do remember seeing some debunking on the subject.
But plagues and various diseases existed long before people starting to write bible stories. Just because someone mentions a disease in the bible, and how later we find evidence for a disease somehow, that does mean that anything magical took place.
@a1mint ok these 10 plagues had nothing to do with disease!!! Oh yeah you've never read the bible. The 10 plagues were a series of events that took place because the king of Egypt would not release Gods people.
It's not the fact that these plagues happened that was so "magical" it was because it was prophesized right before it happened to Egypt. These things such as the sea turning blood red happened and could have happen and actually have happened in modern days!
And you basically are saying that what YOU are uncertain about and what YOU do not understand without reason without research without any of these things besides hearsay you automatically say that it's fantasy which is clearly just telling me that you are very ignorant in this whole conversation and that you should probably just go buy yourself a Bible and then come back and we can finish this little thing up because you have clearly no knowledge about what you're even discussing!
@a1mint You're argument has so far consisted of just calling me delusional and that's basically all you have done because like I said you never actually gave me anything to believe that God is fake.
Just like this example that you have just given about evolution! I know there is evidence of evolution and so what? What does that have to do with anything?
some of Darwin's theories have also been refuted by modern science as well.
@a1mint Again you don't understand that with God anything is possible. People with faith can do incredible things such as healing people and predicting the future and performing miracles. Are you suggesting that anyone who claims these things is just delusional?
Yes the universe was created! Why do you think that we can't find out how the universe began? We can't because we do not know how the Big bang theory came into play and how the universe came to be. It was created!!!
@Jdpteam There is no evidence that anything supernatural exists. We look around the earth and universe, and we are understanding reality more and more.
The whole notion of a god poking around and doing stuff is completely unsubstantiated.
Faith truly is the process of non-thinking.
There is no such thing as magical healing. Any healing is perfectly explainable.
About the universe. First of all, if a god started it, what created god? And if a god is timeless, then why couldn't something else be timeless that could have started the universe. Science is coming up with interesting and plausible hypothesis what might have got it going.
String theory shows that a sustainable configuration of laws of nature out of random eternal soup might proliferate, and then expand like a sphere, depositing matter on it's edges as it grows.
@Jdpteam Others have other thoughts how a big bang might start. The hadron colliders might shed some light on what the very early stage of the universe was like, which lead to further answers.
All this is already far more reasonable than your faith-based-stop-thinking-just-buy-the-bible-stories-face-value nonsense.
@a1mint Also who told you that the parting of the waters didn't happen? From what I hear it is possible that it could have happened my friend and it has been proven that it IS possible and even tested. You also completely ignore the many points that I have taken up to show you that there is a great possibility of a creator. You take things out of context of a book that you never read and never took seriously and you get information from "certain" sources only for what you believe so....Come on!
@Jdpteam One of the stories in the Bible is about some sort of saint separating a sea so that some people could cross it.
It would help a great deal if you admit that these Genesis stories are just complete nonsense. There was no flood, there was no Adam and Eve, there was no tower of Babel, evolution is proven and real.
And guess what - there IS room for a creation aspect. I can't disprove it. There isn't any proof, but I can't disprove it.
@a1mint in your own words you say that there is room for creation but your can't disprove it. Ok so it "IS" obvious that it's possible which means exactly that you are unsure. This means that it IS possible that there IS a creator. Why say not?
Why tell people that they are wasting there time into something that they believe and have faith in? If there is room for a creator that could have created the heavens in the earth than don't you think he could do the impossible? I believe so?
@Jdpteam My major point is that fundamentalist Christians defend things that can not be real. It is that stubborn delusional stiff close mindedness that I can not stand.
There was no flood. Everyone, including fundamentalist Christians just need to come out, and admit that, no, there was no flood.
Once the insanely ridiculous parts are set aside, we can start talking with a clean slate.
A reasonable suggestion would be a god that helped things along.
@a1mint "I believe *IF* there is something about life that outside our understanding it's purely on a conscience level, our awareness might be due to something else"
Wrong again! Oh we have yet to understand MANY things and that something else is God which you deny. There are other realities and other realms and other dimensions so I don't understand how you can think that what I believe isn't possible and "false"! There are things that we cannot measure!
@Jdpteam I believe *IF* there is something about life that outside our understanding it's purely on a conscience level, our awareness might be due to something else.
That would first of all be far more interesting notion.
But what kills everything all the time, that people are stuck with a bunch of fairy tales that are just too idiotic for words. People need to drop that shit, and use their heads.
@a1mint "I believe *IF* there is something about life that outside our understanding it's purely on a conscience level, our awareness might be due to something else"
Wrong again! Oh we have yet to understand MANY things and that something else is God which you deny. There are other realities and other realms and other dimensions so I don't understand how you can think that what I believe isn't possible and "false"! There are things that we cannot measure!
@Jdpteam You have absolutely no evidence that there is a god. It might well be that we're all an element in some sort of collective soup of conscience, in a way we currently can't comprehend.
But you cling to this ancient bronze age set of myths. I think you're a coward. You're trying to suck up to what you perceive as your god. You're not thinking freely and exploring thoughts at all.
If I were your god, I'd be highly disappointed in your lack of exploration.
@a1mint But you cling to this ancient bronze age set of myths. I think you're a coward. You're trying to suck up to.......
You call them myths because you are uncertain. Bronze age set of myths? Ok??? Shows your knowledge of the Bible. I'm a coward? I'm sorry you feel that way. I mean it's only a matter of an opinion because that's all you've been capable of is giving an opinion for the things that you cannot explain. Likewise I feel the same about you.
@Jdpteam I'm 100% certain that the bible are a bunch of stories and that things like Adam & Eve, tower of babel, ocean splitting in half, world wide flood, are all completely and utterly untrue.
I go by evidence and science. I have clear evidence and proof on my side. You have nothing but faith and scriptures on your side.
Where are you "hearing" that it is possible to split a sea open and hold back its water? How is one supposed to react to this? It's too insane for words.
Like seriously. You *actually* believe such a thing is possible?
Take a good look around you. Can't you tell what's real and what's not?
It just hurts to know that people walk around thinking that it is possible.
You need help. Seriously.
COME ON ALREADY ! Splitting a sea in half. The thought just hurts, it really does.
@a1mint What pains me is that you only think that things are possible "ONLY" if science approves it but you fail to realize again and again that there are so many things in this world that we know very little about that happen that we or scientist or even reason doesn't apply to. You would be foolish to think not and apparently you are just that and you are making yourself out to be ignorant from the things that I've heard from you!
@Jdpteam Science shows a reasonable outline of things that are possible and what things are not possible. Splitting a sea open is not possible. Noone can do that now, noone will ever be able to do this, and noone has ever been able to do this. It's fantasy.
Thinking otherwise is purely delusional.
It's not ignorant, it's recognizing reality and rational thinking.
@a1mint A new study by a group of scientists using computer simulations suggest that strong persistent winds could have shifted the depth of water enough to bend and part the Red Sea. and if you want to know details how such a thing could be questionable to occur the check out this source as well as many others msnbc.msn.com
@Jdpteam Absolutely ridiculous. The crap people like you make up is beyond insane. Provide a clear link. Use tinyurl or some other domain bookmarker to paste the link into here.
@a1mint All you have come up with is how "insane" or "delusional" all this is to (YOU) but that's all you have done when I have tried to be rational with you but I'm starting to think that you are wasting my time and I'm probably right!
You are 100% certain???
Ok and I'd like an explanation why and I'd to know what exact story or stories that you're referring to. Give me sources not your gibberish and I'll pick out everything that you deny and reason it out.
@Jdpteam Suggesting that "wind" can "separate" an ocean or sea such that people can cross, is literally insane. ANY normal rational thinking human being 100% agree with that.
Yes I am 100% certain that wind can never do that.
And you have again avoided backing up your claim. You're clearly fantasizing and making up stories.
@Jdpteam I'm reading about a wind causing a shallow water to get an ebb effect enough to reveal mud to walk on. I'm readying how it's not at the Red Sea but elsewhere, and how an eastern wind couldn't have caused it. There is also a lack of evidence of skeletons and armor of the Egyptians.
It's all just clutching at straws. And to suggest that it all happened on command is ridiculous.
@a1mint You're reading an example of how this natural phenomenon could have happened and have taken place and I've taken it that you haven't read the article how they found all the chariot wheels at the bottom. I mean that is something that isn't hard to find really.
Clutching at straws???? ok???
You don't know how God works do you? of coarse not! God can do anything my friend!
@a1mint I gave you more than once source for that question. It was explaining that it's possible that high winds over a prolonged time can push the waters up water because in this case there was an underwater ridge beneath the body of water so what are you not understanding? What excuses? I have none!
There is archaeological evidence of the Tower of Babel which actually shows the base of the tower that once existed? I mean all you have to do is look it up and you will see that I'm right!
@Jdpteam Archeological evidence of the Tower of Babel? Please tell me, show me a link, I'd love to see it. Especially how it is evidence and not some other random piece of rubble from the past?
And the development of languages. Does it not make more sense how different isolated groups of people each develop their own language?
I'd really like you to answer that. What kind of excuse are you going to make up this time?
@a1mint You say to me that I have no evidence but I give you more than what you have given me. It's pretty funny that you avoid certain points that I have brought and all you have done is repeat yourself and that's because you have no answers.
Seriously what are you trying to accomplish here? How can you seriously try to make an attempt to debate me when you have very little knowledge about the Bible?
@Jdpteam Yes, I'm telling you, you don't have any evidence whatsoever, period. Nothing, nada, zip.
I'm not avoiding a damn thing. You on the other hand, ARE avoiding key things. Science, you're discarding it completely. You're avoiding looking at evolution - you pretend it's not real.
What I'm accomplishing here, is that I'm proven how an indoctrinated religious nut like yourself is not capable of looking at or considering facts and evidence.
@a1mint first off you haven't proven anything. I mean you say that I'm a religious nut but that's pretty much your own opinion. You have not really accomplished a thing as far as I'm concerned. All you have done is pretty much deny what I say.
I mean you first said that Jesus didn't exist and I gave you historical proof that he did and then I gave you evidence of the shroud which you have ignored and other major points as well so who is pretending?
@Jdpteam The countless of scientists have done the work to prove it. I am aware of some of that information, and it is perfectly logical and reasonable. It is far more reasonable than assuming a bronze age set of stories and then discarding any of the evidence and knowledge we have learned in todays world.
Have you browsed around that University of Berkeley site on evolution yet? Or do you think it is not necessary to even consider it?
@Jdpteam About Jesus, you keep pretending that you have given historical proof, while in fact, you have not.
None of your messages have pointed to anything that supposedly can serve as evidence that he existed. Second, there is also no evidence of any of those supposed miracles.
The only one here that is ignoring things, is you. You are ignoring information I have given you about evolution.
I'm adding pathological liar to my list of diagnosis for you. How many do we have now so far?
@a1mint About giving historical proof of Jesus! Did you know the bible is considered as such?
I keep wanting to give you some more sources and websites to look at but everytime I try to send it an error pops up and it won't let me send so I don't know what it up with that.
@a1mint 1st the Bible it self is a gathering of historical documents but I sent you a message to explain the evidence about God's existence.
2nd I didn't ignore what you have stated about evolution and in fact I agreed that evolution does happen but I did mention that alot of what Darwin has stated has been refuted and it has. You haven't really even talked about evolution up until just recently anyways so the only one lying is YOU! add whatever youd like and then read it back to yourself! :)
@Jdpteam The Bible is a set of stories. A set of stories is not historical evidence. Evidence is backed up findings to substantiate its claims. No such evidence exists.
I have not been lying at any point about anything here.
You however, back stories for which no evidence exists.
The likelihood of you speaking about things that are untrue is far FAR greater than mine.
You seriously don't go by science because then you would see that I am right on the claims that I make. You don't go by science nor history because you've already made it up in your mind that you're not going to believe any of this no matter how true because you don't WANT to believe it!!! That's why you're a fool! Another thing tell me exactly what I'm losing in believing in something. Some people can't stand it which is funny actually!
@Jdpteam On the contrary. Science is in the way for you. Science means using evidence to prove a theory. Science is revealing answers that are different than the claims made in the Bible.
@a1mint I've already gave you a source to check into about the parting of the sea but obviously you didn't really except it.
Yes, such thing could be possible but it's foolish to say such a thing could not happen. You know it's funny that some people only believe that science has all the answers but not only that science is always correcting it's mistakes so if they could be wrong once then they could be wrong again. What a foolish thing to think!!!
@Jdpteam Your link between a guy showing how wind can lower an already shallow water level to dryness and a Biblical event where 2,000,000 million people using oxen and whatnot, taking days and days if not weeks, crossing through hurricane condition, induced by someone commanding this sustained wind, is ridiculous.
It is not proof, evidence, and it is not even reasonable.
@Jdpteam So it is clearly foolish to even suggest that it might be possible.
It *IS* funny, actually, no, I find it sad and disturbing that people like you try to defend and make excuses for bronze age fairy tales that are too ridiculous for words.
It makes me worry about the human race. To see people that delusional and without the mental capacity to think rationally.
And science is finding new answers all the time, it's dynamic and it grows. Your doctrine has stood still for thousands of yrs.
Even when God walked the earth there were those who still didn't believe him and had to see miracles. That's why Jesus did alot of miracles, to make us believe.
But again some people don't believe anything or even consider and even if they see with there own eyes they will not. I don't expect that to change because some people are like that. They were then and even now!
@Jdpteam There is no proof that a God (which one by the way?) "walked the earth". There is no proof that Jesus even existed (it's all based on stories), or that he or anyone else performed any miracles.
Many people don't believe in things that don't exist, and only consider ideas and information that can be understood.
Sounds pretty healthy to me!
Some people believe in bronze age stories and fairytales without question or rational thought. Sounds pretty sick to me!
@a1mint You really need to look at both sides. I have done that already. I know what science says about these things but you know that there are some scientist that say there is a god and some that do not. Just because you can't see something or haven't experienced something "Doesn't" mean it isn't! You yourself have no proof yourself and you trot on my beliefs which is ignorant basically on the fact that you take only what's around "you" and what happens to "you" and say everything else is fake
@Jdpteam And the problem is that this emotional delusional superstitious crap is passed from generation to generation. It's like a pest, a disease. People wage wars because of all that illogical crap.
There is a major limit to how well the human race can do on average (so far), because it takes so much effort to get people to grow up steering clear from all the mentally insane crap.
Yes, believing in something crappy like a bible is literally insane. It's nuts.
@Jdpteam And the problem is that this emotional delusional superstitious cr@p is passed from generation to generation. It's like a pest, a disease. People wage wars because of all that illogical cr@p.
There is a major limit to how well the human race can do on average (so far), because it takes so much effort to get people to grow up steering clear from all the mentally insane cr@p.
Yes, believing in something crappy like a bible is literally insane.
@Jdpteam And the problem is that this emotional delusional superstitious cr@p is passed from generation to generation. It's like a pest, a disease. People wage wars because of all that illogical cr@p.
There is a major limit to how well the human race can do on average (so far), because it takes so much effort to get people to grow up steering clear from all the mentally insane cr@p.
Yes, believing in something crappy like a bible is literally insane.
@Jdpteam But here's the kicker. Science in general doesn't even have anything to do with religion, the lack thereof, and isn't in conflict with religion for most things.
Science is simply about finding evidence to prove something, finding answers, making observations.
Then when a scientists that happens to be looking for evidence how old the earth might be, and his findings show that it's about 4.5 billion years old, then that is that. That is something he observed.
@a1mint What gets me is that if you don't know something then you just completely rule it out. Just like when you say that God is fake or it is pathetic. It's only your opinion. You know when all these prophesies take place you will probably think the same but these things are coming to past.
@Jdpteam It's safe to rule out people getting 600 years old, a world wide flood, an ocean being separated, someone walking on water, a virgin giving birth, earth's languages being a revenge curse after building a tower too high.
It's not mentally sane to believe those stories.
And again with the prophecies. I've already pointed out that a ton of those prophecies are a complete farce. Need those links again? Are you stupid or something?
@a1mint "It's safe to rule out people getting 600 years old....." Ok I'd like proof then my friend and no these things are not ruled out. If you were there then I'd understand but.......
On the other side. You can't not rule out the "FACT" that things happen every day that we can not explain!!!! Yes this is true so only a fool would thing otherwise that things in this world that we know little about have to happen a certain way.
@Jdpteam People do not and have not ever reached 600 years of age, period. Thinking otherwise is not sane, period. If you think that is possible then you fail to recognize what's real and what's not and you are delusional and need help.
Everything has an explanation. Sometimes we don't have the answer right away, but answers are eventually found. It's called reality.
I think you ARE a fool at this point, I really do. So now what?
@a1mint "People do not and have not ever reached 600 years of age, period. Thinking otherwise is not sane, period"
On the contrary! Prove this is not possible and prove to me that this can NOT happen. Everything has an explanation. Sometimes we don't have the answer right away, but answers are eventually found!
Ok, the answers are NOT always found because we still haven't answered questions that have always been around am I right? yes, I believe I am!
@Jdpteam Crazy loony Christians always hide behind this ridiculous notion of "prove it". You come up with a fantasy fairy tale, and then claim its true because noone is proven it's false.
Well, it IS false, because we know what the lifespan of a human is. After a given number of years, cell division is failing and dna fails to properly live on. There is plenty known about this, and *NO*, no human has not ever lived to 600.
@a1mint "Crazy loony Christians always hide behind this ridiculous notion of "prove it"
Sounds like the Atheist standing point doesn't it? Don't be hypocritical! I mean that IS what you have been saying all along and you're contradicting yourself according to what come up with.
It's ridiculous to say that everything is "false" if you are not certain yourself and just because you or science hasn't proven it yet doesn't mean it isn't so?
@Jdpteam No it is not an Atheist point of view, it is the point of view in line with what we know is possible and what is not. People living to the age of 600 is not possible.
It's just highly disturbing to know that people that freely roam the streets, think it is possible.
I have not been contradicting myself anywhere here. If you think I am, explain.
Again, you're delusional and superstitious. I think you need help.
@a1mint your the one who has been saying "prove it" all along so???? 2nd you contradict yourself when you say that you are all out facts and evidence and when I have given you evidence and reasonable explanations you ignore it so yeah I'd say so.
No need to keep repeating yourself. Especially if you were wrong the first time. I do need help and that's why I have God! lol!
@Jdpteam You have not provided any evidence in any shape or form. You have not spoken in any reasonable manner. You have made excuses to sell a story that too ridiculous for words.
It boggles the mind that people as pathetic as you freely roam the streets. You need help. You're superstitious and delusional. Any rational person will 100% agree with me on this.
Wind bending an ocean so people could walk through... pffff. you're insane.
@a1mint You know It's actually you that hasn't been able to be reasonable because any time that I give a reasonable explanation of things then you do not acknowledge it so you tell me. I don't make excuses and I'm not trying to sell anything because in fact I really don't care who believes me or not because it's not them that I worry about.
"Wind bending an ocean......".it's a natural phenomenon I thought we went over this already and I even gave you a source with a reasonable explanation
@Jdpteam The problem is that you have not given any reasonable explanations. Wind parting an ocean is not a reasonable explanation. It's fantasy, made up, it's an excuse. Any normal person completely agrees with me on this.
If there was any truth at all to what you say, then you can back it up with something that someone has written about this. You haven't provided any links whatsoever.
Respond to this video...How can I be a coward in believing that my faith is the truth? Doesn't make sense really. Oh I think freely and it's actually YOU that doesn't think freely. My beliefs cover more than this reality that is only determined by your five senses so hum......
Yes, there is evidence for God but you have overlooked it like everything else I have been trying to explain.
@Jdpteam You're a coward to not consider that information in your bible is incorrect. You're fantasizing and making up stories and excuses in an attempt to straighten up tales that are proven to be impossible.
The mental disorders you're suffering from clearly includes superstition, delusion, and you're absolutely in denial. To discard reality in favor of impossible fairy tales.
@a1mint "You're fantasizing and making up stories and excuses in an attempt to straighten up tales that are proven to be impossible"
Ok I'm not making anything up and I'm not "fantasizing" about any of this. I'm just getting my info from scripture and scientific structure unlike you. What have YOU given? Nothing except weak criticism basically and you not it's true. Every time I start exploring the foundation for my beliefs you say nothing except calling it all lies and delusion!
@Jdpteam Yes you *ARE* making things up. Wind parting an ocean is something you made up. The fact that you're defending this clearly shows that you're not normal. You're actually delusional. You're suffering from a mental disorder.
Something is wrong, because it is not normal to think that things that ridiculous are real.
It's puzzling to me how someone can believe things that are so obviously over the top impossible.
Delusion: "a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process) and is held despite evidence to the contrary"
Superstition: "a credulous belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge"
Denial: "a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence."
You're denying actual science, and you're delusional and superstitious.
@Jdpteam But then some fundamentalist Christians get offended, because it is in conflict of what's written in their Bible. So they dispute that scientist's findings. They make up excuses to make it seem incorrect.
And that is insane. That is one of the core problems I have with religious people. The fact that they pretend that certain scientific findings are incorrect. It is an insult to all the great people and their great work.
@Jdpteam As for me not being able to prove that what you believe is incorrect. You can't prove that what you believe is correct. What you regard as miracles, I see as something for which an explanation exists. Some of which we can't answer right away, and some of which warrants research.
So what about all those Bible stories, what do you think about all that? Tower of Babel, People living over 600 years, earth being 6000ish years old, world wide flood, all that stuff?
@a1mint Do you really think that sooooo many people in this world would believe in God without proof? I don't think so. Millions of people everyday that have died and come back to life prove this. Do you think that if just one prophecy that was in the bible failed to come to past then we would have as many believers? Highly doubt it! The bible is the "ONLY" book in the world that has been 100% accurate with prophecy. Why do you think "Christianity" is the #1 religion on the planet.
@Jdpteam Do I think that soooo many people in this world are delusional? Absolutely! The evidence is everywhere. Superstition is a major problem with people. Look at all the homeopaths, astrology, psychics. Look in history, witch hunting, blaming old ladies for failed harvests. The list goes on and on and on. Look at the patterns of how people think. People are emotional beings. Their emotions often take precedence over rational thought.
Another great message...
Thank you Lord Jesus for Your forgiveness. I have broken most of your commandments and yet you still offered me forgiveness and set me free. Praise be to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior forevermore. Amen
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Listen, I just had a talk wtih Gd and he said you're all way too obsessed with Him. He just wants you to go back to simply enjoying life. Trying to know Him TOO hard is causing you all to fight each other over who is right and He says thats the opposite of what He wants. So, knock it off or I'll destroy LA.
SamFreedom 9 months ago
lol god can bless sex! good one... yes, no make up your fuckin mind! why is everything that "god said" always comes out of a person mouth. i never seen a sing of god even when i did beleave in that hole stupid story... come on ppl wake up!
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Doctorchops 1 year ago
how the world were and is, and neither on how we should interact. You may learn a lot with reason and logic - not only that evolution or big bang is true; it's propable, but we still need that last evidence :)
All I'm saying is; that we should be allowed to utter our believes and let them be discussed freely - but only in the extent of what is reasonABLE :)
Respect each others opinions and criticise them to improve them, not to destroy them.
ImperfectTurtle 1 year ago
@ImperfectTurtle i will not respect the big bang theory, to think that nothing just exploded n became everything is offensive to believe. its clear things have been made. JESUS IS LORD
babyjdad 1 year ago
@a1mint Why does he, or any other religious individual, have to conform to what you thinks is right, in order to discuss? Believe me, I'm not religious, but if both of you have to gain anything from this discussion, you have to let BOTH of your believes stand the trial of time and criticism (as John Stuart Mill explains in 'On Liberty'). Science and religion is two different set of belives and rules. Religion should be accepted as a personal aspect of life and not as a ruling explanation of.. ->
ImperfectTurtle 1 year ago
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sluggo06 1 year ago
Yeah about evolution! You act like that is a goldmine or something. If you believe that we came from Apes then why is it hard for you to believe that God existed! We didn't come from Apes my friend and there is clearly evidence for that!!!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Evolution is a proven fact.
The ape argument doesn't work. We did not come from apes, but apes and humans share a common ancestor. When you go way back in time (well over 6000 years btw), humans in its earlier form and apes in it earlier form (apes looked different as well), there is an intersection. A common ancestor.
What part of that don't you understand?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Tell me which common ancestor are we talking about? How does this prove that there is no God? That is what we are talking about and again I never said that there isn't proof for evolution and I can say that because I've studied it before but that does not shake or contradict in what I believe, so why are you even bringing this theory up?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam When you go way back in time, millions of years, both humans and one of our current apes, are both very similar. Both look different from their today's versions.
At that point they are both the same. One group split off one way, the other group the other way. One group ended up developing more brain capacity, while the other group did not. One became humans, the other did not.
What is so hard to understand about that?
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam So the next time you hear in public, people like Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, etc, when hear them make a joke that's supposed to sound funny, how come apes are not currently evolving, or if you've ever seen one animal change into another, then you know that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
They ignore the fact that it takes millions of years.
Problem is they think the earth is 6000 years old.
Stupid fundamentalists. Ignorant ashell
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I don't find it unreasonable for you to believe that a god might exist. I can not disprove that. One thing that fascinates me is the fact that we have an awareness. If my parents married someone else, would I still have had an awareness?
It is that part that I can not explain and is fascinating.
But the big problem is that religious people mix in silly things and then they try to defend it.
I'm trying to stamp out those ridiculous things.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I find it completely cowardly, for Christians to defend the Bible as if their life depends on it. As if they're trying to suck up and play it safe, just in case.
Dismissing scientific knowledge and findings is just plain offensive.
When many people figure out different dating mechanism proven how old something is, that all agree with each other, then a religious nut coming along just shoving it off the table is just plain offensive.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam And yes, plenty of evidence supporting evolution and how humans and apes share a common ancestor. FOSSILS. Read and learn. FOSSILS.
Evolution tree !
Good FUCKING grief, why are you so stubborn and in denial. EVIDENCE buddy! E V I D E N C E - it's all there !
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint No my friend! If they were such proof then don't you think that we would have more evidence as far as finding more fossil remains? Darwin's theory of evolution has been refuted many times and has been corrected. How did I know that you were going to mention evolution?
No, I'm not stubborn my friend and it's actually the other way around. I mean how can you choose to believe something that has been refuted so many times. If you can believe that we came from Apes then YOU are delusional!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam There is lots of evidence, you're just ignoring it, are hoping it's not vast or hoping it it's shaky or wrong. It is not wrong. There is vast array of different forms of proof. I've pointed you to a good starting set of articles at the University of Berkeley. You really need to learn about this.
Evolution is very much real and an indisputable fact.
And yes, you ARE stubborn, because you refuse to consider actual hard evidence and findings. You pretend it's not there.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam And again, we went through this. We did not come from apes, but humans and apes share a common ancestor. Millions of years ago, but humans and apes shared the same group. One group went one way, the other group the other way. One group developed a higher brain capacity, the other did not.
That is a split, a branch, in the tree of evolution.
Can just just please NOT pretend that we have not discussed this already?
Stop saying we come from apes, we did not. Again, read very very carefully
a1mint 1 year ago
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You live in a little world with a big surrounding and you live in a world of people have limited reasoning and limited understanding and limited knowledge.
There are at least according to Einstein and others 11 different dimensions.
You really shouldn't think that this is all there is...............
I mean you've been right in some points like defining your words and all but that's about it really. Maybe you should switch to being an Agnostic because at least I'd get more out of you lol :)
Jdpteam 1 year ago
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Jdpteam 1 year ago
The creations always shut up once it's clear how dumb their arguments are.
a1mint 1 year ago 2
@a1mint "The creations always shut up once it's clear how dumb their arguments are" Ok what does that even mean?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam You're not offering any rational thoughts or logical reasoning. NONE.
A highly superstitious world and era produced a ridiculous set of stories, all clearly meant to manipulate people into submission, and thousands of years later, idiots like you STILL far for it. It's rather RATHER sad.
a1mint 1 year ago
You only acknowledge what you think is reasonable and what defends your way of thinking, because I assure that you are not looking really for God and you won't find him. People like you are called the fools in the bible. Because you are blind to the spiritually driven world. If you don't think that there is true good and true evil then I'm sorry for you actually.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam If you want to coin the idea that there is a god, then I need to see evidence. So far, there hasn't been any. Instead, over time, we learn more and more about the world, about the universe, about reality.
Of course the Bible has all kinds of self defense mechanisms. The manipulative book it is has all kinds of clauses containing warnings and threats.
You'd have to be pretty damn gullible to fall for all that.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint If you want some evidence then ask God to reveal himself to you. Evidence is everywhere but you ignore these things on purpose. I mean look to the universe. I mean you don't really believe that we are just casually here by accident. Get real! Look at the statistics!!! Warnings? I'm sorry you feel this way, but really you've got to be pretty in the box!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam God doesn't reveal himself to anyone, because that is not possible. There is also no evidence of a god appearing to anyone. It's all just in people's heads. People are sick, ill, have a mental disorder.
If there is evidence, show it to me and the rest of the world. But you can't, because you don't have any evidence. Noone has any evidence.
Fossils on the other hand, IS evidence that dinosaurs and humans did not roam the earth at the same time.
Also there is no evidence of that "flood".
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Oh and about that universe. Yes, look up in the sky at night. All those stars. They're really really far away. It's more evidence that the universe is older than 16 billion years at least. Completely in conflict with that young earth theory that Christian fundamentalists subscribe to.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "They're really really far away. It's more evidence that the universe is older than 16 billion years at least" When did I ever say anything about that? Yeah, so what? You must be kidding! It's doesn't even say that in the bible. Now, does the scripture actually say that the earth is 6000 years old? No, not really. Some people debate on it.
But it looks to me like you only grab certain information that supports what you believe, so please!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Reality is that the earth is over 4.5 billion years ago. Dinosaurs lived long long before humans did. Various stages of humans are found in fossils. Various dating mechanisms such as radiometric dating allows us to measure how old the various fossils were. Peacing evidence together allows us to form a reasonable (but rough) representation of the evolutionary time line tree.
What part of that do you find unreasonable?
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Fundamentalist Christians wish to defend the Bible to the letter. When you add up the various time lines and periods, supposedly it adds up to about 6000 years. Plus minus something, but that kind of ballpark.
The prehistoric time periods completely do not fit in.
The story about Adam and Eve are just too ludicrous to even bring up.
It is specifically that fundamentalist aspect of Christians that I have a problem with, because they're disrespectful to all the hard work that's been done
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Show me where in the Bible it says that the earth is 6000 years old?
give me scripture and not quotes please ;)
In the bible it talks about these prehistoric time periods that your are probably referring to. Such as the dinosaurs and so on.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam
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sums up that bullshit pretty much.
Who me where in the bible it mentions dinosaurs.
What a bunch of utter fantasy crap this Bible is. Good FUCKING grief! What the FUCK is WRONG with people? People are mentally INSANE, NUTS !
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint And what's up with all the cursing? Trying to fill in words or are you starting to get a little upset?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Couldn't help but notice how you completely evade issue at hand here.
I've pointed out how fundamentalist Christians come to the conclusion that the earth supposedly is about 6000 years old.
I've asked where in the Bible there is any mention of dinosaurs.
And then I've expressed my disappointment how people (like you) can be so dumb, because it's so obvious you're dumb (yet it STILL completely escapes you).
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "I've pointed out how fundamentalist Christians come to the conclusion that the earth supposedly is about 6000 years old"
And "I" told you already that it doesn't say that the earth is 6000 years old and just because "some Christians believe that the Bible says that doesn't mean that I do" so this is pretty irrelevant.
The question you asked about the Dinosaurs is in the book of Job. Job41. just for example but there is more.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Fundamentalist Christians claim the earth is 6000 years old.
tinyurl(dot)com(slash)2d6kt5
They're scared and afraid to consider scientific data, because they think it'll anger their god. Bunch of cowards.
The bible does not mention dinosaurs. It mentions words meaning something large, with no details about dinosaurs.
Actual evidence clearly proves that dinosaurs and humans did not live anywhere near at the same time - that's a fact you can not deny.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "Fundamentalist Christians claim the earth is 6000 years old"
Still never showed me the scripture to back it up. Just because some Christians claim this doesn't mean all Christians do so I don't really care what Some Fundamentalist Christians claim!
About the dinosaurs. Do you actually think that back in the days when the old testament was written they would call these things "dinosaurs'? Get real!!! They are basically describing the same thing and I gave you scripture so???
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam It's a combination of scriptures. You obviously were too lazy to follow that link. It's made perfectly clear there.
The authors of the bronze age stories could not have known about dinosaurs because dinosaur bones weren't discovered until the 1800s.
The Bible does not mention dinosaurs at all.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Must I go there again. I gave you scripture or multiple scripture that was perfectly describing what we (now) give the term (dinosaurs) and I'll make it more clear to you. Job 40:15-19
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Doesn't mention dinosaurs.
a1mint 1 year ago
And another thing you probably have avoided about 50% or more no wait yes more of what I have given to (TRY) to reason with your little mind and all you come back with is.
"you're delusional" you're fantasizing" yayaya but still you give nothing but childish responses. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously and how can you really be that ignorant. I mean seriously have you heard your replies?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam But you ARE delusional. You believe in things that do not exist.
That's not childish, it is a logical conclusion. An observation.
How can you expect anyone to take you seriously to back stories that are too ridiculous for words without any actual evidence.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Nope I'm not delusional and you have overused that word.
I believe in a God that does exist.
It is childish because it is only your conclusion that you have come up with because your observation revolves around nothing and that's why no one can disprove that God doesn't exist. That's because he does!
I gave you evidence. What have I left out? Tell me because I think you've obviously missed something. Who takes me seriously? Most people do and they should! Get real!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam You believe certain events have taken place when science clearly shows us that those events could not have occurred. You ARE delusion - very MUCH so.
You don't have any evidence that there is a god.
No you did NOT give me any evidence at all?
What about that list? You haven't answered a damn thing!
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint You say that science shows that these stories are impossible but what you're really saying is that science hasn't been able to disprove it and that's really the truth because just like everything else that you claim is false you are only stating that because you are uncertain.
Just because we don't know or science hasn't figured out something doesn't make it not true!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Science shows us what is realistic and what is possible in the reality we live in.
The stories break those scientific discoveries.
For example, we know that languages develop in isolated groups of people.
Your "story" says that god created these languages after striking down a tower, out of revenge. It is a ridiculous story. Your story is not true, period.
a1mint 1 year ago
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@a1mint "Science shows us what is realistic and what is possible in the reality we live in"
Correct but this is not the only reality that there is so because we have limited understanding in this reality it is poor to say that these things that happened in the Bible could have never happened.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam There is no evidence of another reality. There is no evidence that the Bible stories took place.
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@a1mint "There is no evidence of another reality. There is no evidence that the Bible stories took place"
You can't not really be that ignorant can you? Apparently you can! Scientist including Einstein believed that there are more dimensions than we think and so far science claims there to be at least 11 different dimensions which means that there is more realities out there then what we perceive to be and I've gone over that already!
You say I haven't given any evidence but clearly I have!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam That's completely unrelated to religion, the Bible, Jesus, Christianity.
The dimensions beyond the 3rd one not known to be other realms for people to exist in. They're merely meant to explain different measurements.
You're way lost.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint That's completely unrelated to religion, the Bible, Jesus, Christianity
That's funny because you bring up evolution that has nothing to do with religion. I was simply trying to show you that there are more dimensions that we know of so if that is the case then there is so much that we do not know of and if that is the case don't you think that it's pretty foolish to go ahead and say that believing in God is ridiculous? I think not! You need to stop listening to Richard Dawkins! :)
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam The problem with your version of religion is that you discard evolution. You also discard other science that contradicts to the Bible stories.
We we're able to get to the point yet about the notion of a god or a higher presence, the existence of it or not. You were too focused on defending bible stories.
You think that science and people that defend science, are ridiculous. Richard Dawkins is not ridiculous. HE points out how people are being ridiculous. He's right.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint it's not "my story" it's God's word!
The people of Babel were descendants of Noah, hence the genealogy in the preceding chapter. It was decided upon that the descendants would be divided into tribes (as was the custom for sons to start their own clans or tribes, i.e.., the 12 tribes of Israel). The tribes were all to go to separate regions, as each tribe grew, they were to spread out away from each other so that every one had room. That was God’s plan!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam People wrote that book. It's the word of those people that wrote it. There is no evidence that a god was dictating anything.
Evidence shows how humans started in Africa and branched off in different directions in different groups. Evidence in the ground and DNA examinations of locals prove that. The only logical conclusion is that those groups developed their languages. Nothing to do with any tower or any god striking it down.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint The people that wrote the Bible were saints and followers of Christ and the word was inspired by God. You still do not understand that Christianity is about Faith!
God gave us one language to begin with and because people did not obey God he confused the languages so we could not comunicate. Evidence does not show that humans started in Africa because we have not been able to go that far back even using DNA! We can go far back but not to the beginning of humanity!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Much of the Bible was written before Christ (supposedly), so they were not "followers".
Inspired by god isn't proven at all. Faith is the process of non-thinking.
Languages were developed by humans when they use vocalization to identify objects and communicate. No god required at all.
Evidence of the earliest stages of the homo sapiens were found in Africa, and dating techniques shows they were from about 200,000 years ago.
a1mint 1 year ago
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@a1mint Much of the Bible was written before Christ (supposedly), so they were not "followers".Inspired by god isn't proven at all. Faith is the process of non-thinking.
That's why there is the New testament and the Old testament need I say more?
God gave us vocalization you fool! God created humanity and if you want to assume that we came from some mysterious dust or evolved up into what we now are then that's just pretty sad!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam So can you please admit that the old testament is a load of crap and deserves to be tossed in the garbage then?
You don't know if a god created humanity. You have no evidence for that.
Religious simpletons can only see dust and humans, and fail to grasp the notion of time. Billions of years of evolution, with small increments over time.
Why is that so hard to grasp?
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam This stage of evolution is where humans began to show unique characteristics as opposed to other ape like creatures, such as upright walking, and the use of tools in ways no other animals did.
This evidence does not require dna.
Boy oh boy, you are so lost. You are so frustrated that none of your stories are working out. You must hate science don't you?
Shouldn't you be in bed resting for Sunday service?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Who said I'm frustrated? The only one who is frustrated would have to be you according to the sarcastic remarks and cursing which suggest so haha!
Again why are you still talking about evolution? This has nothing to do with what the point of our conversation was but IF you want to go there we can.
Actually I rather like science but if you think that science is all we need and explains everything then you have problems! I don't even go to church so.........yeah!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I think we're both frustrated. I'm frustrated because some people just can't seem to admit to any common sense at all. You feel you need to defend each and every little thing in your bible, even though it's crystal clear how the stories pointed out are completely impossible. Instead of considering rational thought and sound reasoning, you're making excuses to somehow make your stories work.
That is not sane.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam And you're frustrated because your doctrine, your believes, are under attack, and you feel that you must do a good deed and defend and stand up for what you believe in. Our conversation would go a whole lot better if you would think a little more rationally. Admit that evolution is real, there was no Adam and Eve, there was no flood, tower of bable, parting of the red sea, etc.
Then we continue to talk so that science and your beliefs do not collide.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam It isn't necessary for science and beliefs to collide. But here, and in many other arguments I've had, science is in conflict with people's doctrines.
It's not unreasonable to think there is a god, surprise surprise. I've eluded to that much earlier in our fights. But it didn't seem to register.
I think it's wise to explore your thoughts, and be reasonable. Know what's real and what's not. Things like a world wide flood isn't real.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam One interesting aspect of our humanity is the fact that we have an awareness. I find that aspect the most fascinating of all.
I don't even find the origin of the Universe all that questionable. There are reasonable hypothesis out there that can, in somewhat far fetched ways, rationalize how it can start. Start of life and evolution are a piece of cake.
But there is the matter of the fact that we know we exist.
a1mint 1 year ago
It seems to me that no matter what kind of support or structure that you get it's only to criticize Christians and you refute everything else on your own behalf and do not acknowledge anything else such as history, archaeological finds, or any of that other stuff right?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam It does not matter how much evidence and logic that is presented to you and people like you. You only ever deny anything and everything that does not fit in perfectly well with your doctrine.
I go by evidence, you do not. That puts you on the losing side.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint ok you're basically saying what I say in different words. You see you haven't presented any evidence to me so how can I refute what you haven't given?
Losing side? Wow! No, the losing side would have to be the fools that only believe what they can see and deny everything else like yourself.
Again you go by (some) evidence because I have AGAIN like I said given you evidence with support and you look the other way and I back up what I say when I say it!!!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam You have NOT giving any evidence. I'm still waiting on evidence how an ocean can be parted, how dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time, evidence for a world wide flood, evidence that humans started with Adam and Eve, evidence that before a tower all people spoke the same language. The list goes on and on, but zero evidence.
I've provided credible information how evolution is real, here it is again:
evolution(dot)berkeley(dot)edu
Also,to brush up, look up the definition of science
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint The problem that I'm having with you is that you say that God does not exist and you have no proof, and instead of just saying that you are unsure of God's existence you say that it's impossible and it's fantasy. It's just not very wise if you ask me!
I mean seriously if you want to know about God then you need to read the scripture and even better why don't you ask God yourself if he's real. Maybe he'll even answer you!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I'm saying that it is impossible for those bible stories to be true.
You think it is such taboo to admit that these biblical nonsense stories are false.
THAT is the problem that is standing in our way.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Ok so you are saying the stories like the ten plagues and the story of Sodom and so is all fake? Yeah ok! The story of the ten plagues has been proven again and again that they could have happen and what's weird is that if they happened then they would have happened in the exact same order as they occurred! Weird huh? The story of Sodom would be another example. During this time a comet or meteor caused it. Don't you watch discovery channel?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I haven't delved too much into the specifics of those plagues, but I do remember seeing some debunking on the subject.
But plagues and various diseases existed long before people starting to write bible stories. Just because someone mentions a disease in the bible, and how later we find evidence for a disease somehow, that does mean that anything magical took place.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint ok these 10 plagues had nothing to do with disease!!! Oh yeah you've never read the bible. The 10 plagues were a series of events that took place because the king of Egypt would not release Gods people.
It's not the fact that these plagues happened that was so "magical" it was because it was prophesized right before it happened to Egypt. These things such as the sea turning blood red happened and could have happen and actually have happened in modern days!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I'm sure I can dig up some crap about those claims. I haven't gotten to that particular one, yet.
a1mint 1 year ago
And you basically are saying that what YOU are uncertain about and what YOU do not understand without reason without research without any of these things besides hearsay you automatically say that it's fantasy which is clearly just telling me that you are very ignorant in this whole conversation and that you should probably just go buy yourself a Bible and then come back and we can finish this little thing up because you have clearly no knowledge about what you're even discussing!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam My argument is backed by science. Your's is not. That simple.
There is evidence for evolution. There is no evidence for creationism.
That simple.
What part of that do you not understand?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint You're argument has so far consisted of just calling me delusional and that's basically all you have done because like I said you never actually gave me anything to believe that God is fake.
Just like this example that you have just given about evolution! I know there is evidence of evolution and so what? What does that have to do with anything?
some of Darwin's theories have also been refuted by modern science as well.
The universe is evidence to creation my friend!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I've pointed out how a bunch of bible stories are impossible.
I've also gave a link to very good research on evolution and the proof thereof.
You haven't commented on that at all.
The doctrine that you're defending goes against science, and thus, yes, you are delusional.
So what if Darwin's claims have flaws. Overall, he's accomplished a great deal, especially in his time. Very honorable work don't you agree?
Universe is not evidence of creation at all!
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Again you don't understand that with God anything is possible. People with faith can do incredible things such as healing people and predicting the future and performing miracles. Are you suggesting that anyone who claims these things is just delusional?
Yes the universe was created! Why do you think that we can't find out how the universe began? We can't because we do not know how the Big bang theory came into play and how the universe came to be. It was created!!!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam There is no evidence that anything supernatural exists. We look around the earth and universe, and we are understanding reality more and more.
The whole notion of a god poking around and doing stuff is completely unsubstantiated.
Faith truly is the process of non-thinking.
There is no such thing as magical healing. Any healing is perfectly explainable.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam
About the universe. First of all, if a god started it, what created god? And if a god is timeless, then why couldn't something else be timeless that could have started the universe. Science is coming up with interesting and plausible hypothesis what might have got it going.
String theory shows that a sustainable configuration of laws of nature out of random eternal soup might proliferate, and then expand like a sphere, depositing matter on it's edges as it grows.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Others have other thoughts how a big bang might start. The hadron colliders might shed some light on what the very early stage of the universe was like, which lead to further answers.
All this is already far more reasonable than your faith-based-stop-thinking-just-buy-the-bible-stories-face-value nonsense.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Also who told you that the parting of the waters didn't happen? From what I hear it is possible that it could have happened my friend and it has been proven that it IS possible and even tested. You also completely ignore the many points that I have taken up to show you that there is a great possibility of a creator. You take things out of context of a book that you never read and never took seriously and you get information from "certain" sources only for what you believe so....Come on!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam One of the stories in the Bible is about some sort of saint separating a sea so that some people could cross it.
It would help a great deal if you admit that these Genesis stories are just complete nonsense. There was no flood, there was no Adam and Eve, there was no tower of Babel, evolution is proven and real.
And guess what - there IS room for a creation aspect. I can't disprove it. There isn't any proof, but I can't disprove it.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint in your own words you say that there is room for creation but your can't disprove it. Ok so it "IS" obvious that it's possible which means exactly that you are unsure. This means that it IS possible that there IS a creator. Why say not?
Why tell people that they are wasting there time into something that they believe and have faith in? If there is room for a creator that could have created the heavens in the earth than don't you think he could do the impossible? I believe so?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam My major point is that fundamentalist Christians defend things that can not be real. It is that stubborn delusional stiff close mindedness that I can not stand.
There was no flood. Everyone, including fundamentalist Christians just need to come out, and admit that, no, there was no flood.
Once the insanely ridiculous parts are set aside, we can start talking with a clean slate.
A reasonable suggestion would be a god that helped things along.
I don't believe that but it's not unreasonabl
a1mint 1 year ago
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@a1mint "I believe *IF* there is something about life that outside our understanding it's purely on a conscience level, our awareness might be due to something else"
Wrong again! Oh we have yet to understand MANY things and that something else is God which you deny. There are other realities and other realms and other dimensions so I don't understand how you can think that what I believe isn't possible and "false"! There are things that we cannot measure!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I believe *IF* there is something about life that outside our understanding it's purely on a conscience level, our awareness might be due to something else.
That would first of all be far more interesting notion.
But what kills everything all the time, that people are stuck with a bunch of fairy tales that are just too idiotic for words. People need to drop that shit, and use their heads.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "I believe *IF* there is something about life that outside our understanding it's purely on a conscience level, our awareness might be due to something else"
Wrong again! Oh we have yet to understand MANY things and that something else is God which you deny. There are other realities and other realms and other dimensions so I don't understand how you can think that what I believe isn't possible and "false"! There are things that we cannot measure!
Now that's unreasonable.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam You have absolutely no evidence that there is a god. It might well be that we're all an element in some sort of collective soup of conscience, in a way we currently can't comprehend.
But you cling to this ancient bronze age set of myths. I think you're a coward. You're trying to suck up to what you perceive as your god. You're not thinking freely and exploring thoughts at all.
If I were your god, I'd be highly disappointed in your lack of exploration.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint But you cling to this ancient bronze age set of myths. I think you're a coward. You're trying to suck up to.......
You call them myths because you are uncertain. Bronze age set of myths? Ok??? Shows your knowledge of the Bible. I'm a coward? I'm sorry you feel that way. I mean it's only a matter of an opinion because that's all you've been capable of is giving an opinion for the things that you cannot explain. Likewise I feel the same about you.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I'm 100% certain that the bible are a bunch of stories and that things like Adam & Eve, tower of babel, ocean splitting in half, world wide flood, are all completely and utterly untrue.
I go by evidence and science. I have clear evidence and proof on my side. You have nothing but faith and scriptures on your side.
Your case is without substance.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam
Where are you "hearing" that it is possible to split a sea open and hold back its water? How is one supposed to react to this? It's too insane for words.
Like seriously. You *actually* believe such a thing is possible?
Take a good look around you. Can't you tell what's real and what's not?
It just hurts to know that people walk around thinking that it is possible.
You need help. Seriously.
COME ON ALREADY ! Splitting a sea in half. The thought just hurts, it really does.
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@a1mint What pains me is that you only think that things are possible "ONLY" if science approves it but you fail to realize again and again that there are so many things in this world that we know very little about that happen that we or scientist or even reason doesn't apply to. You would be foolish to think not and apparently you are just that and you are making yourself out to be ignorant from the things that I've heard from you!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Science shows a reasonable outline of things that are possible and what things are not possible. Splitting a sea open is not possible. Noone can do that now, noone will ever be able to do this, and noone has ever been able to do this. It's fantasy.
Thinking otherwise is purely delusional.
It's not ignorant, it's recognizing reality and rational thinking.
You really do live in a land of make believe.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Again I have corrected and underminded you and everything you have written "so what now?" ;)
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam You have not underminded (did you mean undermine?) me at all.
Splitting an ocean in half is not possible. You say it is possible, which violated what we know about reality.
How about an explanation how an ocean is to be split?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint A new study by a group of scientists using computer simulations suggest that strong persistent winds could have shifted the depth of water enough to bend and part the Red Sea. and if you want to know details how such a thing could be questionable to occur the check out this source as well as many others msnbc.msn.com
Yes, I meant undermine which I have
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Absolutely ridiculous. The crap people like you make up is beyond insane. Provide a clear link. Use tinyurl or some other domain bookmarker to paste the link into here.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint All you have come up with is how "insane" or "delusional" all this is to (YOU) but that's all you have done when I have tried to be rational with you but I'm starting to think that you are wasting my time and I'm probably right!
You are 100% certain???
Ok and I'd like an explanation why and I'd to know what exact story or stories that you're referring to. Give me sources not your gibberish and I'll pick out everything that you deny and reason it out.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Suggesting that "wind" can "separate" an ocean or sea such that people can cross, is literally insane. ANY normal rational thinking human being 100% agree with that.
Yes I am 100% certain that wind can never do that.
And you have again avoided backing up your claim. You're clearly fantasizing and making up stories.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint strong here is again another source that you can take a look at which supports this "theory"
Credit: University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Carl Drews,National Center for Atmospheric Research
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I'm reading about a wind causing a shallow water to get an ebb effect enough to reveal mud to walk on. I'm readying how it's not at the Red Sea but elsewhere, and how an eastern wind couldn't have caused it. There is also a lack of evidence of skeletons and armor of the Egyptians.
It's all just clutching at straws. And to suggest that it all happened on command is ridiculous.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint You're reading an example of how this natural phenomenon could have happened and have taken place and I've taken it that you haven't read the article how they found all the chariot wheels at the bottom. I mean that is something that isn't hard to find really.
Clutching at straws???? ok???
You don't know how God works do you? of coarse not! God can do anything my friend!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam I'm not seeing any link between this biblical parting of the ocean and that research you're referring to at all.
Someone "commanding" to create a hurricane strong and long enough for 2,000,000 people to cross using oxen, taking days on end?
It's ridiculous - and YES, you ARE clutching at straws!
How many excuses will you make up to make these stories work?
How about that tower-of-babel story - have you given that any thought yet?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint I gave you more than once source for that question. It was explaining that it's possible that high winds over a prolonged time can push the waters up water because in this case there was an underwater ridge beneath the body of water so what are you not understanding? What excuses? I have none!
There is archaeological evidence of the Tower of Babel which actually shows the base of the tower that once existed? I mean all you have to do is look it up and you will see that I'm right!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Your excuses on this parting the ocean story is:
1) someone commanded a hurricane
2) hurricane lasted longer than any during recorded history
3) two million people with cattle crossed which must have taken many many days if not over a week.
4) the research shows inconsistencies how the crossing was not at the red sea and the direction of the wind was different
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Archeological evidence of the Tower of Babel? Please tell me, show me a link, I'd love to see it. Especially how it is evidence and not some other random piece of rubble from the past?
And the development of languages. Does it not make more sense how different isolated groups of people each develop their own language?
I'd really like you to answer that. What kind of excuse are you going to make up this time?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint You say to me that I have no evidence but I give you more than what you have given me. It's pretty funny that you avoid certain points that I have brought and all you have done is repeat yourself and that's because you have no answers.
Seriously what are you trying to accomplish here? How can you seriously try to make an attempt to debate me when you have very little knowledge about the Bible?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Yes, I'm telling you, you don't have any evidence whatsoever, period. Nothing, nada, zip.
I'm not avoiding a damn thing. You on the other hand, ARE avoiding key things. Science, you're discarding it completely. You're avoiding looking at evolution - you pretend it's not real.
What I'm accomplishing here, is that I'm proven how an indoctrinated religious nut like yourself is not capable of looking at or considering facts and evidence.
You'll fantasize and pretend your way through.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint first off you haven't proven anything. I mean you say that I'm a religious nut but that's pretty much your own opinion. You have not really accomplished a thing as far as I'm concerned. All you have done is pretty much deny what I say.
I mean you first said that Jesus didn't exist and I gave you historical proof that he did and then I gave you evidence of the shroud which you have ignored and other major points as well so who is pretending?
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam The countless of scientists have done the work to prove it. I am aware of some of that information, and it is perfectly logical and reasonable. It is far more reasonable than assuming a bronze age set of stories and then discarding any of the evidence and knowledge we have learned in todays world.
Have you browsed around that University of Berkeley site on evolution yet? Or do you think it is not necessary to even consider it?
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam About Jesus, you keep pretending that you have given historical proof, while in fact, you have not.
None of your messages have pointed to anything that supposedly can serve as evidence that he existed. Second, there is also no evidence of any of those supposed miracles.
The only one here that is ignoring things, is you. You are ignoring information I have given you about evolution.
I'm adding pathological liar to my list of diagnosis for you. How many do we have now so far?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint About giving historical proof of Jesus! Did you know the bible is considered as such?
I keep wanting to give you some more sources and websites to look at but everytime I try to send it an error pops up and it won't let me send so I don't know what it up with that.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
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@Jdpteam The Bible is a book with stories. That is not proof at all.
If you want to insert a link, go to tinyurl(dot)com and make the link shorter.
Then copy paste something like tinyurl(dot)com(slash)sjDfh8934
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint 1st the Bible it self is a gathering of historical documents but I sent you a message to explain the evidence about God's existence.
2nd I didn't ignore what you have stated about evolution and in fact I agreed that evolution does happen but I did mention that alot of what Darwin has stated has been refuted and it has. You haven't really even talked about evolution up until just recently anyways so the only one lying is YOU! add whatever youd like and then read it back to yourself! :)
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam The Bible is a set of stories. A set of stories is not historical evidence. Evidence is backed up findings to substantiate its claims. No such evidence exists.
I have not been lying at any point about anything here.
You however, back stories for which no evidence exists.
The likelihood of you speaking about things that are untrue is far FAR greater than mine.
a1mint 1 year ago 2
@Jdpteam Stories that are not true:
1) Adam and Eve.
2) Tower of Babel making god angry and cursing people by making them speak different languages.
3) The Ark of Noah and the world wide flood.
4) Red sea parting on command let the Israelites escape.
5) Jesus splitting bread without it getting reduced in size.
6) Jesus rising from the dead.
7) The earth being created in 6 days.
8) Methuselah reaching the age of 969.
Any claim you make I'll ask scientific evidence for, so be prepared.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Of course. jdpteam completely avoids dealing with it. It's just too embarrassing to make excuses for these things.
And other losers wish to take this on?
a1mint 1 year ago
You seriously don't go by science because then you would see that I am right on the claims that I make. You don't go by science nor history because you've already made it up in your mind that you're not going to believe any of this no matter how true because you don't WANT to believe it!!! That's why you're a fool! Another thing tell me exactly what I'm losing in believing in something. Some people can't stand it which is funny actually!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam On the contrary. Science is in the way for you. Science means using evidence to prove a theory. Science is revealing answers that are different than the claims made in the Bible.
You're in denial.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint I've already gave you a source to check into about the parting of the sea but obviously you didn't really except it.
Yes, such thing could be possible but it's foolish to say such a thing could not happen. You know it's funny that some people only believe that science has all the answers but not only that science is always correcting it's mistakes so if they could be wrong once then they could be wrong again. What a foolish thing to think!!!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Your link between a guy showing how wind can lower an already shallow water level to dryness and a Biblical event where 2,000,000 million people using oxen and whatnot, taking days and days if not weeks, crossing through hurricane condition, induced by someone commanding this sustained wind, is ridiculous.
It is not proof, evidence, and it is not even reasonable.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam So it is clearly foolish to even suggest that it might be possible.
It *IS* funny, actually, no, I find it sad and disturbing that people like you try to defend and make excuses for bronze age fairy tales that are too ridiculous for words.
It makes me worry about the human race. To see people that delusional and without the mental capacity to think rationally.
And science is finding new answers all the time, it's dynamic and it grows. Your doctrine has stood still for thousands of yrs.
a1mint 1 year ago
Even when God walked the earth there were those who still didn't believe him and had to see miracles. That's why Jesus did alot of miracles, to make us believe.
But again some people don't believe anything or even consider and even if they see with there own eyes they will not. I don't expect that to change because some people are like that. They were then and even now!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam There is no proof that a God (which one by the way?) "walked the earth". There is no proof that Jesus even existed (it's all based on stories), or that he or anyone else performed any miracles.
Many people don't believe in things that don't exist, and only consider ideas and information that can be understood.
Sounds pretty healthy to me!
Some people believe in bronze age stories and fairytales without question or rational thought. Sounds pretty sick to me!
a1mint 1 year ago 2
@a1mint You really need to look at both sides. I have done that already. I know what science says about these things but you know that there are some scientist that say there is a god and some that do not. Just because you can't see something or haven't experienced something "Doesn't" mean it isn't! You yourself have no proof yourself and you trot on my beliefs which is ignorant basically on the fact that you take only what's around "you" and what happens to "you" and say everything else is fake
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam And the problem is that this emotional delusional superstitious crap is passed from generation to generation. It's like a pest, a disease. People wage wars because of all that illogical crap.
There is a major limit to how well the human race can do on average (so far), because it takes so much effort to get people to grow up steering clear from all the mentally insane crap.
Yes, believing in something crappy like a bible is literally insane. It's nuts.
a1mint 1 year ago
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@Jdpteam And the problem is that this emotional delusional superstitious cr@p is passed from generation to generation. It's like a pest, a disease. People wage wars because of all that illogical cr@p.
There is a major limit to how well the human race can do on average (so far), because it takes so much effort to get people to grow up steering clear from all the mentally insane cr@p.
Yes, believing in something crappy like a bible is literally insane.
a1mint 1 year ago
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@Jdpteam And the problem is that this emotional delusional superstitious cr@p is passed from generation to generation. It's like a pest, a disease. People wage wars because of all that illogical cr@p.
There is a major limit to how well the human race can do on average (so far), because it takes so much effort to get people to grow up steering clear from all the mentally insane cr@p.
Yes, believing in something crappy like a bible is literally insane.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam But here's the kicker. Science in general doesn't even have anything to do with religion, the lack thereof, and isn't in conflict with religion for most things.
Science is simply about finding evidence to prove something, finding answers, making observations.
Then when a scientists that happens to be looking for evidence how old the earth might be, and his findings show that it's about 4.5 billion years old, then that is that. That is something he observed.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint What gets me is that if you don't know something then you just completely rule it out. Just like when you say that God is fake or it is pathetic. It's only your opinion. You know when all these prophesies take place you will probably think the same but these things are coming to past.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam It's safe to rule out people getting 600 years old, a world wide flood, an ocean being separated, someone walking on water, a virgin giving birth, earth's languages being a revenge curse after building a tower too high.
It's not mentally sane to believe those stories.
And again with the prophecies. I've already pointed out that a ton of those prophecies are a complete farce. Need those links again? Are you stupid or something?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "It's safe to rule out people getting 600 years old....." Ok I'd like proof then my friend and no these things are not ruled out. If you were there then I'd understand but.......
On the other side. You can't not rule out the "FACT" that things happen every day that we can not explain!!!! Yes this is true so only a fool would thing otherwise that things in this world that we know little about have to happen a certain way.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam People do not and have not ever reached 600 years of age, period. Thinking otherwise is not sane, period. If you think that is possible then you fail to recognize what's real and what's not and you are delusional and need help.
Everything has an explanation. Sometimes we don't have the answer right away, but answers are eventually found. It's called reality.
I think you ARE a fool at this point, I really do. So now what?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "People do not and have not ever reached 600 years of age, period. Thinking otherwise is not sane, period"
On the contrary! Prove this is not possible and prove to me that this can NOT happen. Everything has an explanation. Sometimes we don't have the answer right away, but answers are eventually found!
Ok, the answers are NOT always found because we still haven't answered questions that have always been around am I right? yes, I believe I am!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Crazy loony Christians always hide behind this ridiculous notion of "prove it". You come up with a fantasy fairy tale, and then claim its true because noone is proven it's false.
Well, it IS false, because we know what the lifespan of a human is. After a given number of years, cell division is failing and dna fails to properly live on. There is plenty known about this, and *NO*, no human has not ever lived to 600.
Thinking otherwise is purely delusional.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "Crazy loony Christians always hide behind this ridiculous notion of "prove it"
Sounds like the Atheist standing point doesn't it? Don't be hypocritical! I mean that IS what you have been saying all along and you're contradicting yourself according to what come up with.
It's ridiculous to say that everything is "false" if you are not certain yourself and just because you or science hasn't proven it yet doesn't mean it isn't so?
Hey I mean that's what you said so yourself ;)
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam No it is not an Atheist point of view, it is the point of view in line with what we know is possible and what is not. People living to the age of 600 is not possible.
It's just highly disturbing to know that people that freely roam the streets, think it is possible.
I have not been contradicting myself anywhere here. If you think I am, explain.
Again, you're delusional and superstitious. I think you need help.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint your the one who has been saying "prove it" all along so???? 2nd you contradict yourself when you say that you are all out facts and evidence and when I have given you evidence and reasonable explanations you ignore it so yeah I'd say so.
No need to keep repeating yourself. Especially if you were wrong the first time. I do need help and that's why I have God! lol!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam You have not provided any evidence in any shape or form. You have not spoken in any reasonable manner. You have made excuses to sell a story that too ridiculous for words.
It boggles the mind that people as pathetic as you freely roam the streets. You need help. You're superstitious and delusional. Any rational person will 100% agree with me on this.
Wind bending an ocean so people could walk through... pffff. you're insane.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint You know It's actually you that hasn't been able to be reasonable because any time that I give a reasonable explanation of things then you do not acknowledge it so you tell me. I don't make excuses and I'm not trying to sell anything because in fact I really don't care who believes me or not because it's not them that I worry about.
"Wind bending an ocean......".it's a natural phenomenon I thought we went over this already and I even gave you a source with a reasonable explanation
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam The problem is that you have not given any reasonable explanations. Wind parting an ocean is not a reasonable explanation. It's fantasy, made up, it's an excuse. Any normal person completely agrees with me on this.
If there was any truth at all to what you say, then you can back it up with something that someone has written about this. You haven't provided any links whatsoever.
a1mint 1 year ago
Respond to this video...How can I be a coward in believing that my faith is the truth? Doesn't make sense really. Oh I think freely and it's actually YOU that doesn't think freely. My beliefs cover more than this reality that is only determined by your five senses so hum......
Yes, there is evidence for God but you have overlooked it like everything else I have been trying to explain.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam You're a coward to not consider that information in your bible is incorrect. You're fantasizing and making up stories and excuses in an attempt to straighten up tales that are proven to be impossible.
The mental disorders you're suffering from clearly includes superstition, delusion, and you're absolutely in denial. To discard reality in favor of impossible fairy tales.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint "You're fantasizing and making up stories and excuses in an attempt to straighten up tales that are proven to be impossible"
Ok I'm not making anything up and I'm not "fantasizing" about any of this. I'm just getting my info from scripture and scientific structure unlike you. What have YOU given? Nothing except weak criticism basically and you not it's true. Every time I start exploring the foundation for my beliefs you say nothing except calling it all lies and delusion!
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Yes you *ARE* making things up. Wind parting an ocean is something you made up. The fact that you're defending this clearly shows that you're not normal. You're actually delusional. You're suffering from a mental disorder.
Something is wrong, because it is not normal to think that things that ridiculous are real.
It's puzzling to me how someone can believe things that are so obviously over the top impossible.
a1mint 1 year ago
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@Jdpteam
Delusion: "a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process) and is held despite evidence to the contrary"
Superstition: "a credulous belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge"
Denial: "a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence."
You're denying actual science, and you're delusional and superstitious.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam But then some fundamentalist Christians get offended, because it is in conflict of what's written in their Bible. So they dispute that scientist's findings. They make up excuses to make it seem incorrect.
And that is insane. That is one of the core problems I have with religious people. The fact that they pretend that certain scientific findings are incorrect. It is an insult to all the great people and their great work.
It ought to not be a conflict at all.
a1mint 1 year ago
@Jdpteam As for me not being able to prove that what you believe is incorrect. You can't prove that what you believe is correct. What you regard as miracles, I see as something for which an explanation exists. Some of which we can't answer right away, and some of which warrants research.
So what about all those Bible stories, what do you think about all that? Tower of Babel, People living over 600 years, earth being 6000ish years old, world wide flood, all that stuff?
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Do you really think that sooooo many people in this world would believe in God without proof? I don't think so. Millions of people everyday that have died and come back to life prove this. Do you think that if just one prophecy that was in the bible failed to come to past then we would have as many believers? Highly doubt it! The bible is the "ONLY" book in the world that has been 100% accurate with prophecy. Why do you think "Christianity" is the #1 religion on the planet.
Jdpteam 1 year ago
@Jdpteam Do I think that soooo many people in this world are delusional? Absolutely! The evidence is everywhere. Superstition is a major problem with people. Look at all the homeopaths, astrology, psychics. Look in history, witch hunting, blaming old ladies for failed harvests. The list goes on and on and on. Look at the patterns of how people think. People are emotional beings. Their emotions often take precedence over rational thought.
Rational thinking is taught.
a1mint 1 year ago