@TaylorHH1887 well that's not a miracle, is it? The MIG 29 is in duty since1983, F22 since 2005, that is more than 20 years later... Would be bad if it wasn't better, don't you think?
Russians got crazy skills in war Games , maybe US got better technology but they cant compare to Russian mastery , Russians are the true born wariors for the whole history no one can take Russian land, thats why Russia is so big STIL !
@7777777fresh; the earlier generation has prooved themselves pretty tough, although i think the next generation of russian (as well as american) citizens are much softer,
-i dont hope we will see how they do, (no "WW3" please)
@JVC7400 i am not talking about citizens of US or Russia i am talking about spirit of Russian man because US man fighting for money , Russian man fights for the freedom and true and his country, so than the shit will realy goes down American man will say fuck the money if i die who will need it , whith the Russian man its way more diferent hi will die for his land and never goes back , and anyway if the ww3 will starts it will be US who will start it look what they are doing to the world !
@7777777fresh People in russia is just as greedy as the americans. just shut up, the new russian generations have newer seen war, and is jkust as cowardly as anyone else.
the soviet and russia s battlefild :mig 29 escorting low altitude su 25 and mi 35 su 27 at middle height and mig 29 and mig 31 serving as mini awacs and escorting a50s at high altidude and intercepting bombers this is the the role of the mig 29 smaller than the su 27 is less vulnerable to anti air weapons the su 27 was to deal with american strike and fighter ex:f 15 e f 16 d etc
because they were always greater in number and you have to check the conditions that these shot sowns happen.. have you search how the mig 19s were shot down by F4s?
ofcourse Migs were always sent in a suicide mission since they were 4 VS 8 the most... soemtimes 1vs4...
The manuverability of the Sukhois is non questionable. besides that ialways has to do with funds and sales also.. IN many aspects and ways,,
unbeatable in air battle. Russians will always be better in the air than the U.S. fighters.
Now as concern air to ground attacks the US seem to be better. That could have balanced a bit out if the Su34 got in massive production as that aircraft could also match the A-10 as concern ground attacks and it;s supersonic also...
@pavcon Well perhaps you can explain what "superior in a dogfight" means considering only four US built aircraft have been lost in air-to-air combat since 1974 while over one hundred soviet built aircraft have been shot down by the F-15 alone.
cant compare mig 29 with f 22....there is a very large difference.....but you can compare the su 37 with f22....as the su 37 .....you right RAFienne....the mig 29 comparing with sukhoi ,is an deffence fighter.
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Viktor Khristenko, Russian Industry Minister as well as Russian President Medvedev mentioned recently that investments in Russian arm projects didn't bring quality. One of examples is MiG 29 SMTs which were given back by Algeria, India reported that even 50% of R77 missiles aren't able to use. Unfortunately, 20-year airframe of MiG 29 doesn't look great, e.g. cracks are visible and co. Poor quality - that's why so many Russian MiGs can't even take off. MiGs are cheap but get poor quality.
Thats absolutely not true, soviet design bureaus stressed the need to build an aircraft that is durable and robust, they used to say that the pilot would break before the mig 29 would. Migs are very durable and cost much less to maintain than the american counter parts.
I agree, Migs themselves are excellent machines but they are not properly maintained. Sure, they are far more reliable than the other planes of the world but even Migs need to maintained. Most of the Migs don't even get placed in hangers for storage, so obviously Migs are giving bad performances.
Thus Russian planes will have support from ground base radar systems and mig 31 controlling the area.If that would be the case i doubt the F22 could penetrate very far, since russian radar systems are very very good. Not saying the f22 is bad, far from that, it is an awesome machine, but a confrontation between it and any other fighter is very unlikely except in mock ups. And because the fighters perform differently in different situations the question is what is the best fighter? BVR or WVR?
@Scotty: Not only F-22 can do it. When it comes to MiG 29s, any fighter equipped with AMRAAMs can shot them. We live in XXI c., missiles and homing systems are almost perfect (but nobody forgets internal cannons!), MiG 29s have no chance in a distance fight. When they come closer everything can happen. Ofc, then still so much depends on your aircraft but the key issue is how good's its pilot.
I wouldn't dismiss the Mig 29 so quickly. It still is one of the worlds best performing fighters that equaled if not surpassed the mighty f15. and while the f22 is built in very limited numbers it is more likely to remain a parade aeroplane rather than a very valuable asset. And as with any advanced state of the art tech stealth as known today is far from flawless. And as pointed out Russia has a very low military budget hence Russia will fight on their ground only.
Unfortunately, MiG 29s HAVE NEVER BEEN ones of of the world's best performing fighters. What would it mean, BTW? How many MiGs were shot down and how many aircraft were hit by MiG 29s? Cos I remember only 1 Georgian UAV, heh. :P Dogfights are the only one hope for 29s, an experienced pilot can win over few types of western aircraft but it's not that likely to come close enough to start a h2h dogfight.
Well the mig 29 were a very serious response to the American superfighter the F15 and they packed quite a punch. A punch large enough that the US decided to buy some of them from post soviet countries like Moldova and still use them. Mig 29 was not just a superb performing dogfighter but also a capable interceptor. And yes, many migs were shot down and the mig 29s scored little or no aircraft, but on the other hand they were piloted by inexperienced poorly trained pilots.
But the USA doesnt offer a "chuck norris"ish fighter either. even the F 15 have been shot down by enemy fire. And besides the f15 other teen series fighters are primeraly more or less dogfighters. But in my opinion thats what a fighter plane is- a dogfighter. BWR attack aircraft are in my opinion merely interceptors or airborne rocket launchers- nothing more.
Also it is probable that the russians are holding exact specs of the planes back to achieve a better element of surprise when needed.
Hmmm, I guess you confuse Su 27 with MiG. MiG 29 was rather designed as an opponent and equivalent of F-16 while Su 27 was comparable to F 15. Heh, and US bought also Su 27 and other post-Soviet aircraft. ;)
And what MiG 29s really were? They were supposed to be cheap to make as many aircraft as possible. Retarded avionics, low load capacity, ultra short range... Great manoeuvrability and thrust but it's not enough. Also such a beautiful shape isn't enough. ;) But it looks great indeed. ;)
no im pretty sure i dont confuse the two. the sukhoi is much larger with slightly better performances. But both aircraft were designed to compete with both the F15 and F16 for simplicity purposes. But both aircraft were equaly good so the russian air force decided to mass produce both because they didnt want to offend any of the two legendary bureaus.
Both aircraft have similar performance, while the sukhoi excells as a strike fighter the mig is more of a defense fighter.
And the mig's avionics are far from retarded. The pilots themselves refused to have fly by wire systems installed in their aircraft stating that these systems make average pilots better but a great pilot will not only not benefit from them but he will be held back from doing better. There was a very good reason for not installing complete fly by wire. And it doesent need high load capacity- its a defence fighter, it only needs a couple of rockets.
But most of countries need a multirole aircraft, they aren't able to use many types of jets as it'd be too expensive and co. And lots of them use (or are forced to) MiG 29 as a multirole fighter while MiGs suck at it. You can't only defense, you need to attack as your base's going to be destroyed finally. And you can't as you have MiG 29 - with their little range and poor ability to carry other weapons than air-to-air.
Well as with all of Russias military tech the Mig 29 is rugged, very useful, easy to maintain and prduce. And it can perform multiple roles as well. In my previous comment i stated that the Mig 29 is primeraly a defense fighter, which is true, but not becuse of its lack to deliver a strike to the enemy on the ground but because (In Russias case) the much larger Sukhoi can deliver more. But the Sukhoi is also more expensive etc..thats the only reason that the Mig is used as an air defense fighter
Well, the newest versions of MiGs aren't that bad but they are still (and forever?) rare, especially when it comes to Russian Air Force and current European NATO users. Sukhoi's more expensive (but not that expensive!!!), it's better as well. Ethiopian Su-27s showed who's better, killing some Eritrean MiG 29s.
I agree. Russia doesn't have enough money to produce them and other countries ather decide for western technology (the f16 are very very cheap i hear). And NATO users continue the tradition started during the cold war, boycoting a lot of Russian tech. I agree with you completely
Heh, not that cheap but when you order a full armament package (what's simply great!!!) + good offset, it's pretty cheap. Heh, my country's (Poland) Air Force use both MiG 29s and F-16s (Block 52+) so I'm interested in this issue. :P
@RAFiennes Ha! "Easy to maintain". According to a Russian military publication over 70% of Russian MiG29s are no longer capable of flying due to poor maintenance. The MiG29 has more than 500 crashes to its record.
@aeroshark1 well it is true that most of russias fighter fleet is non-flyable because of poo maintenance. but that has nothing to do with how hard or easy it is to maintain a mig 29. Russia operates around 1300 fighter aircraft alone (not counting cargo, support, bombers and helicopters) and simply fueling an army that vast is a challenge gor russia even today (sadly), because the country still hasnt fully recovered from the dissolution of the soviet union and the economic collapse that followed
@aeroshark1 furthermore even the seemingly undefeated F 15 with its top of the range maintanenance has over 130 known crashes. That doesent mean the maintenance is bad. It simply means that more migs crashed, due to there being more migs in service than f 15. the fact is that a lot of the countries that operate fulcrums cannot or will not pay for the required maintenance. Migs were build with maintainability and are therefore (with PROPER) maintenance as reliable as an AK-47
@RAFiennes If Migs were sooo reliable maintenance would not be a problem. F-15s require more work and are considerably older than the MiG-29. I'm a professional A&PT. I know what fixing aircraft is all about. I've backseated a MiG-29 and know first hand how hard it is to fix one. And parts ain't easy to find despite the huge number of Fulcrums there are. MiGs suck..ASS. Simple. If they didn't they wouldn't have horrible crash and combat records.
@aeroshark1 the migs are an aging fleet that hasn't seen a new model for a long time whereas the F 15 has seen quite a lot of new and improved models over the years. and are only about 8 years older but much more expensive to operate. but the US can afford it opposed to modern russia. And although you are a professional A&PT as you claim you have probably never worked on a Mig 29. Backseating one would not have given you credible information on fixing one although it must have been a great ride
@aeroshark1 well the parts normally would come from the factory that holds the rights to produce them. with the money to buy them everything is possible. Parts for the F 15 arent that easy to come by either. It is military material and that is normally hard to come by. And MiGs don't suck ASS. Simpler. If they did the USA wouldnt bother to buy the Moldavian MiG 29 fleet.
And again crash and combat records tell you nothing. Thats just a statistic made on weaker export versions of the MiG 29.
@RAFiennes What are you talking about? Was I even talking to you? NO! Military equipment isn't hard for the military to come by at all. I wasn't talking on a civil market. The F-15 damn near 40 years old and still has a much better record than the younger, supposedly better MiG29. And yes, combat and crash records tell you efficiency. How could you say they tell you nothing? Are you on drugs? The US has four MiG29s that we don't use.
@aeroshark1 what was the point of the argument and i quote "And parts ain't easy to find despite the huge number of Fulcrums there are" ? yeah but i say AGAIN with the money the US is putting in its fighter fleet Russia could operate double the amount of aircraft. Russian fighters are CHEAPER but that doesent mean russia can afford it. yes it is true that stats tell you efficiency IF they are made on a normal standard. The statistics were made on export mig 29 which were confirmed to be inferior
@RAFiennes Here dude. Here's a link. 70% of Russian Air Force MiG 29s do not fly. India uses the latest model MiG29s. They have no problem affording the resources to fix them, yet they still have an unbeaten crash rate. And yes, I workded on a particular MiG29M for a a period of three weeks in Poland. I helped repair both engines and update the avionics. I backseated it twice before I left for home. I was an aviation repair technician in the Marines, and a damn good one.
@aeroshark1 dude. i don't need a link. i believe what you say. India does use the latest model of mig 29s but their astonishing crash record comes from older MiG 21s (literaly 100s of crashes with these). heres a link of recorded IAF crashes with the first MiG 29 crash (warbirds. in /Crashes /crpage .php?cur=700&qacid=AL&qafdb=IAF&datesall= ON&fmdate =&fmmonth = &fmyear =&todate= &tomonth= &toyear =) (without the empty spaces)
going through all i could count only 7 mig 29s going down.
and I am not questioning your occupation, skills or experience. I am just saying that the MiG 29 is simpler to operate than most fighter jets and cheaper. But its major operator cannot really afford it in such quantities.
And is an outstanding performer for the price asked.
@aeroshark1 Another pointless argument about aviation on Youtube, You were a ''damn'' good technician in the Marines? Really? Is that why they sent you to Poland?
Just respect the engineering brilliance and stop talking shit.
@9882gg To answer your smart ass question...yes. That is why. Because they needed people who could speak and read Russian in order to get these aircraft to perform their best. For the sake of training our F/A-18 pilots against the MiG-29. Another nobody with no experience trying to make a point. I love you amateurs. You think you know facts but you've never even put your hands on any of this.
@aeroshark1 Another pointless argument about aviation on Youtube, You were a ''damn'' good technician in the Marines? Really? Is that why they sent you to Poland?
Just respect the engineering brilliance and stop talking shit.
to the ones russia operates normally also the pilot training is not top notch in the countries that purchase them. ergo the stats mean nothing because they are made on lesser pilot+aircraft pairs Its like saying that the F 22 is crap just because 200 were shot down in africa while flying on one engine and piloted by a kid Hardly a meaningful statistic. (not meant to offend anyone)
Its not the point that the USA dont use the migs but that they consider them a threat they want to eliminate badly
@RD19902010 Thos Arab pilots were trained by Russian pilots. The Iraqi MiG-29 pilots of the Gulf War were the top, and most experienced pilots of the Iraqi AF. And they were trained by nine supposed Russian AF aces for a period of a year. The MiG-29 pilots of the Luftwaffe were the best MiG pilots in the world. And Germany, known for their engineering and resourcefulness, did not see the MiG-29 worth hanging on to. Now Poland is trying to get rid of them too for some F-16s.
@RAFiennes this concept also applied with the USAF. The F-16 is cheaper to produce and lighter while the F-15 is heavier, with longer range. soon both of them will be replace by the F-35 and F-22. I love mig-29 and SU-30 mki, 35 simply because it look agressive.
@truonghthe I think that the F-16 and F-15 will not be replace completely by new the F-35 and F-22 . MIG-29 and SU-30 will not be replace completely by new MIG and SU in Russia. Becouse the new aircrafts are very expensive, and Russia and USA are not enemies now. F15, F16, F18 destroy of terrorists is excellent now.
@OttoSkortseni I agree with you there because the F-35 already run a price tag at $70 mil per plane and same goes with the Mig-35. may be we gona keep our 1970s design for awhile.
Yeah but thta was in the day of the Soviet union. In that time they thought they could beat anyone. And they could. Just not afghanistan.
Its a fun fact that afghanistan never lost a war in its history. I believe the Indians wrote in their books that the last thing a man would want is to have natural disasters and to quarrel with afghan peolpe :)
But I think that was the only case of the USSR fighting in a direct offensive movements.
Well yes youre right but at that time Hungary was more or less a part of the USSR because they signed a treaty that allowed Soviet ocupation. And the Hungarians changed their mind in 56 and revolted. Chechnya is still a part of Russia today and is not considered as an independant state. And in the case of Georgia Russia supposedly only responded very rapidly to an attack on georgia. Suposedly they only helped georgians defend their country but i dont remember where i read that.
But i must admit that i might have stated the "on their ground only" a bit awquardly. I should have put it "Russia is only fighting on terrain they know very well" with the exception of Afghanistan.
Heh, airshows are nothing and that MiG-29 OTV has also nth to do with MiGs from mass production used in air forces. It got thrust-vectoring engines, I'm pretty sure that aircraft got such a "diet", they removed everything what was considered as a ballast. And it's a normal proceeding for MiGs and Sukhoiy's at airshows, what means no armament on board, all needless stuff out and some drops of fuel just to make a show. If it's not done, disasters like in Lviv happen.
The same people who dismiss the capabilities of Russian equipment adopt the dangerous attitude of war planners in the mid-1960's who felt that missle technology would removed the need for an internal cannon. When you disrespect your adversary, the chink in your technology is usually pointed out for you.
A single F22 could take at least a dozen of these old Russian jets out before they even knew it. I can't believe people are even debating this.
Russia made a nice acrobatic plane. But the F-22 is on another dimension technologically. Russia does well to even get stuff in the air given how limited their budget is. America spends a hundred times more money on aerospace than Russia does every year
before comparing the f-22 and mig remember that russia always does more at airshows with their aircraft than the United States. What you see in an airshow video clip of the F-22 isn't anything close to what the aircraft can really do.
F22 may be the best fighter for long range attack. But in a war it is all about tactics. I think if on of this just appear near a F22 then for F22 game is over!!
That;s an old tale without base. Mig-29 and SU-27 are inherantly aerodynamical and much better frames and their engines produce more thrust than the plane weighs. That means that you can add weapons on the plane and still maintain speed and manoeuverablity. Also all the missile are aerodynamicaly shaped, meaning they don't produce drag sufficient enough to disturb the plane's overall aerodynamic shape.
Add wing fuel tanks, those produce drag and additional weight that slows the plane down.
active electronically scanned array radar, RD-33MK engines and the newly designed optical locator system. The new OLS can provide targeting solutions for both ground and air targets at 360 degrees of the aircraft. All controls are digital displayed on LCD. RD-33MK "Morskaya Osa" engine has a 7% higher horsepower compared with the original one due to the usage of modern materials on the cooled blades. It also has systems that reduce its infrared and optical visibility.
The engines could be equipped with the thrust vectoring nozzles which would increase combat efficiency by 12-15%. This is the worlds only thrust vectoring engine that has the ability to rotate in all directions.
no one can now what kind of technology in the mig29 cause there is no areal test to these air crafts togather so dont be a proud of the f-22 that much
you guys dont know what your talking about you realy think this plane can be the f-22 what are you guys smoking its only a mig 29 with thrust vectoring and plus they wouldnt see or know if the f-22 is there accept that the f-22 is the best plane in the world if we put it out on the market russia would buy it alot of countrys will and not to forget russia cant afford the su-37 or 47 they dont have the money nore they dont have that many planes come on over 135 f-22s good luck russia.
oh realy well your probly not american thats probly why alot of you people think the sukios are better wich there not dont every try to say this plane can beat the raptor cus your rong 100% an the thing about russia is true they cant afford the su-37 and su-47 to much money an im am not 90% rong
Mig 29 OVT is an air show plane... F-22 is a combat it has the best technology in the world, alot of brain was put in, that thing... But there is a new plane russia just made the SU-47 that can compite with F-22 and at some point its better then F-22
This is an aerobatics technology-demonstrator (demonstrating thrust-vectoring). To claim that this plane could beat the F-22 (to claim that it could get anywhere near the F-22), is a sign of incredible ignorance.
Doing back-flips is for air-shows. It has little role in 21st century air-combat.
concidering that the trash F-22 Craptor is being cancled this year, i wouldnt be talking... its absolute trash... sure, the F-22 has BVR capabilities... but with the AIM-120... yeah right, the Mig-29 and Su-27/30/33/34/35 all have BVR too, with the R-77 which has greater range and manuverability than the AIM-120... therefor i emplore you to SUCK IT lol
Thats why the raptor is the most feared so called trash figher in the world. The f-22 would easily beat this plane in beyond visual range, using stealth and manouverability.
hmm... funny, seeing as the F-22 has never seen a single combat mission, so who fears it? and where did you acquire this information? lol bet you cant prove it? lol yeah thats what i though buddy...
the F-22 is getting cancled this year, thats how shitty it is lol... and the inventor of the F-16 even says that lol bitch, get off your propaganda bullshit, the F-22 is absolute trash
I don't ike the argues with guys who never step up in a plane. Facts: F22 have vectoring in 2 axes with a bearing of 22 degrees. Mig 29 OVT (total thrust vectoring) is vectoring the thrust in 3 dimensions. This is making this plane higly maneuverable. I invit you at Fairford 2009 to compare thi 2 planes and then I will expect your posts.
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MickeyJohn66613 2 weeks ago
good, but i love MiG 29 OVT
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denreal 6 months ago
I find this easy to masturbate to
KamiKaZantA 7 months ago
It's all performance thrust vector control
PsyshedelicMan 7 months ago
k so either russian airplanes or pilots must be the best? xD
temmy69 8 months ago
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F22 Raptor and Eurofighter Typhoon can do the same maneuvers if not better than MIG,,, but only in the simulator, )))
Tankerlpd 8 months ago
@UserNamei5 and what about Chechnya?
AllofStewie 8 months ago
what's the name of this song?
kinan1985sy 9 months ago
@kinan1985sy clubbed to death by Rob D, it was in the matrix
MrTeahee 8 months ago
@kinan1985sy clubbed to death by Rob D, it was in the matrix
MrTeahee 8 months ago
ЕШКИН КОТ !!!!!!
victor75h 10 months ago
Superior design. Cheap to maintain. Throw in vectoring. Win.
bellerophon602 10 months ago
Yes the mig 29 has been around since the 80's, however ovt technology didn't come into prototype form till the mid 2000's.
Intense951 10 months ago
the f22 raptor is way better (i'm by the us air force)
TaylorHH1887 11 months ago
@TaylorHH1887 well that's not a miracle, is it? The MIG 29 is in duty since1983, F22 since 2005, that is more than 20 years later... Would be bad if it wasn't better, don't you think?
Endorfinjunkie 10 months ago
@TaylorHH1887 lol. u r from usaf? in ur prifile i can c that u from germany and u r 21 =)
AllofStewie 8 months ago
@UserNamei5 Im talking about full scale world war. when entire cities are bombed on own soil, and people gets used as cheap labour on factories.
JVC7400 1 year ago
Russians got crazy skills in war Games , maybe US got better technology but they cant compare to Russian mastery , Russians are the true born wariors for the whole history no one can take Russian land, thats why Russia is so big STIL !
7777777fresh 1 year ago 19
@7777777fresh; the earlier generation has prooved themselves pretty tough, although i think the next generation of russian (as well as american) citizens are much softer,
-i dont hope we will see how they do, (no "WW3" please)
JVC7400 1 year ago
@JVC7400 i am not talking about citizens of US or Russia i am talking about spirit of Russian man because US man fighting for money , Russian man fights for the freedom and true and his country, so than the shit will realy goes down American man will say fuck the money if i die who will need it , whith the Russian man its way more diferent hi will die for his land and never goes back , and anyway if the ww3 will starts it will be US who will start it look what they are doing to the world !
7777777fresh 1 year ago 5
@7777777fresh People in russia is just as greedy as the americans. just shut up, the new russian generations have newer seen war, and is jkust as cowardly as anyone else.
JVC7400 1 year ago
B 2 BETTER OR MIG 29?
rodtorre7 1 year ago
@rodtorre7 B2 is strategic bomber...mig29 is fighter/multirole fighter...you cannot compare them :)
ITmage 1 year ago
@ITmage ohh okazzzz I DONT KNOW MUCH THANKS
rodtorre7 1 year ago
@rodtorre7 i am here to help ;)
ITmage 1 year ago 2
the soviet and russia s battlefild :mig 29 escorting low altitude su 25 and mi 35 su 27 at middle height and mig 29 and mig 31 serving as mini awacs and escorting a50s at high altidude and intercepting bombers this is the the role of the mig 29 smaller than the su 27 is less vulnerable to anti air weapons the su 27 was to deal with american strike and fighter ex:f 15 e f 16 d etc
cvonta 1 year ago
The best!!
grishina 1 year ago
what's the name of the music ???
both on the first song and that second one...
anteracmacash 1 year ago
@anteracmacash Clubbed to Death, its only one song
MrJTAC 1 year ago
@MrJTAC ok tnx...the begining sounds to me like some famous classical music but I can't put my finger on it...
anteracmacash 1 year ago
Friend, i would not be say that mig-29 it's simple plane. Now MiG-29K cost for India over than 70 mln $.
ete0 1 year ago
Plain and Simple...Russian Jets are the best!
SovjetPhoenix 1 year ago
Excellent!!!!!! Superb!!!
wilhelmschumann 1 year ago
whats the name of the song pls?
GotecskeXD 1 year ago
@GotecskeXD Clubbed to Death
MrJTAC 1 year ago
the socond song btw
BirgirZ 1 year ago
@BirgirZ Clubed to Death
MrJTAC 1 year ago
whats the name of that song?
BirgirZ 1 year ago
because they were always greater in number and you have to check the conditions that these shot sowns happen.. have you search how the mig 19s were shot down by F4s?
ofcourse Migs were always sent in a suicide mission since they were 4 VS 8 the most... soemtimes 1vs4...
The manuverability of the Sukhois is non questionable. besides that ialways has to do with funds and sales also.. IN many aspects and ways,,
pavcon 1 year ago
russian jets are so beautifull
dziczyzna24 1 year ago
unbeatable in air battle. Russians will always be better in the air than the U.S. fighters.
Now as concern air to ground attacks the US seem to be better. That could have balanced a bit out if the Su34 got in massive production as that aircraft could also match the A-10 as concern ground attacks and it;s supersonic also...
pavcon 1 year ago
@pavcon Just curious...what do you mean by "unbeatable in air battle"? Are you referring to the F-15?
aeroshark1 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 no I'm talking about the Soviet planes that are superior to the US as concern dog fights...
pavcon 1 year ago
@pavcon Well perhaps you can explain what "superior in a dogfight" means considering only four US built aircraft have been lost in air-to-air combat since 1974 while over one hundred soviet built aircraft have been shot down by the F-15 alone.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 I can still remember a Dutch f-16 shooting down a Yugoslav mig-29 in 1999 i think
Raafje84 1 year ago
@pavcon Yes Indeed!!
wilhelmschumann 1 year ago
cant compare mig 29 with f 22....there is a very large difference.....but you can compare the su 37 with f22....as the su 37 .....you right RAFienne....the mig 29 comparing with sukhoi ,is an deffence fighter.
nassimtheone 1 year ago
You gotta give it the pilots (all pilots)... G-forces must be incredible.
Hatinonthehaters 1 year ago
With a really good pilot would be Mig 29 the best Fighter Plane in the World!
LiBWar25252525 1 year ago
I like russian jets!!the best
Dim3n3n 1 year ago
НЛО ебать)))
prichemkonkretnotak 1 year ago
I'm a big USAF guy but this is my favorite plane, cheap, reliable, awesome abilities, just absolutely love it. Those boys at MIG are good, REAL Good.
Greetings from USA
TheProjektcc 1 year ago
Teeppä sama hornetilla tuskin onnistuu jenkkien raptorikin nöyrtyy ellei taas käytetä sitä jenkkien tyyliä ei uskalla mennä lähelle ammutaan kaukaa :P
Nannu65 2 years ago
DaT FiGHTER RoOoCks
coskss 2 years ago 15
ow parabens pelo video qual é amusica que ta tocando?
andersuks 2 years ago
nice video :) too bad a little short 5*
Docdope1 2 years ago
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Viktor Khristenko, Russian Industry Minister as well as Russian President Medvedev mentioned recently that investments in Russian arm projects didn't bring quality. One of examples is MiG 29 SMTs which were given back by Algeria, India reported that even 50% of R77 missiles aren't able to use. Unfortunately, 20-year airframe of MiG 29 doesn't look great, e.g. cracks are visible and co. Poor quality - that's why so many Russian MiGs can't even take off. MiGs are cheap but get poor quality.
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
first, it's nice they can admit their mistakes
second, Algeria refused to get Migs because the French pressured them to buy Mirages
fordrugs 2 years ago 2
Thats absolutely not true, soviet design bureaus stressed the need to build an aircraft that is durable and robust, they used to say that the pilot would break before the mig 29 would. Migs are very durable and cost much less to maintain than the american counter parts.
Warrantofficer13 2 years ago
Alegia thing was politcaly motivated. As to quality of airframe you would have to see with your own eyes, other than that, its just rumor.
gosciu555 2 years ago
I agree, Migs themselves are excellent machines but they are not properly maintained. Sure, they are far more reliable than the other planes of the world but even Migs need to maintained. Most of the Migs don't even get placed in hangers for storage, so obviously Migs are giving bad performances.
MrJTAC 2 years ago
This is actually polish
vnck25 2 years ago
Наш МиГ29 - король воздуха
UNITtazas 2 years ago 2
Thus Russian planes will have support from ground base radar systems and mig 31 controlling the area.If that would be the case i doubt the F22 could penetrate very far, since russian radar systems are very very good. Not saying the f22 is bad, far from that, it is an awesome machine, but a confrontation between it and any other fighter is very unlikely except in mock ups. And because the fighters perform differently in different situations the question is what is the best fighter? BVR or WVR?
RAFiennes 2 years ago
Heh, F22 isn't an UFO or sth. :P It's not almighty, heh. It's just an aircraft, it could be visible for radars as nothing is invisible.
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
@Scotty: Not only F-22 can do it. When it comes to MiG 29s, any fighter equipped with AMRAAMs can shot them. We live in XXI c., missiles and homing systems are almost perfect (but nobody forgets internal cannons!), MiG 29s have no chance in a distance fight. When they come closer everything can happen. Ofc, then still so much depends on your aircraft but the key issue is how good's its pilot.
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
I wouldn't dismiss the Mig 29 so quickly. It still is one of the worlds best performing fighters that equaled if not surpassed the mighty f15. and while the f22 is built in very limited numbers it is more likely to remain a parade aeroplane rather than a very valuable asset. And as with any advanced state of the art tech stealth as known today is far from flawless. And as pointed out Russia has a very low military budget hence Russia will fight on their ground only.
RAFiennes 2 years ago
I agree RAFiennes
yoggi94 2 years ago
Unfortunately, MiG 29s HAVE NEVER BEEN ones of of the world's best performing fighters. What would it mean, BTW? How many MiGs were shot down and how many aircraft were hit by MiG 29s? Cos I remember only 1 Georgian UAV, heh. :P Dogfights are the only one hope for 29s, an experienced pilot can win over few types of western aircraft but it's not that likely to come close enough to start a h2h dogfight.
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
Well the mig 29 were a very serious response to the American superfighter the F15 and they packed quite a punch. A punch large enough that the US decided to buy some of them from post soviet countries like Moldova and still use them. Mig 29 was not just a superb performing dogfighter but also a capable interceptor. And yes, many migs were shot down and the mig 29s scored little or no aircraft, but on the other hand they were piloted by inexperienced poorly trained pilots.
RAFiennes 2 years ago
But the USA doesnt offer a "chuck norris"ish fighter either. even the F 15 have been shot down by enemy fire. And besides the f15 other teen series fighters are primeraly more or less dogfighters. But in my opinion thats what a fighter plane is- a dogfighter. BWR attack aircraft are in my opinion merely interceptors or airborne rocket launchers- nothing more.
Also it is probable that the russians are holding exact specs of the planes back to achieve a better element of surprise when needed.
RAFiennes 2 years ago
Hmmm, I guess you confuse Su 27 with MiG. MiG 29 was rather designed as an opponent and equivalent of F-16 while Su 27 was comparable to F 15. Heh, and US bought also Su 27 and other post-Soviet aircraft. ;)
And what MiG 29s really were? They were supposed to be cheap to make as many aircraft as possible. Retarded avionics, low load capacity, ultra short range... Great manoeuvrability and thrust but it's not enough. Also such a beautiful shape isn't enough. ;) But it looks great indeed. ;)
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
no im pretty sure i dont confuse the two. the sukhoi is much larger with slightly better performances. But both aircraft were designed to compete with both the F15 and F16 for simplicity purposes. But both aircraft were equaly good so the russian air force decided to mass produce both because they didnt want to offend any of the two legendary bureaus.
Both aircraft have similar performance, while the sukhoi excells as a strike fighter the mig is more of a defense fighter.
RAFiennes 2 years ago
And the mig's avionics are far from retarded. The pilots themselves refused to have fly by wire systems installed in their aircraft stating that these systems make average pilots better but a great pilot will not only not benefit from them but he will be held back from doing better. There was a very good reason for not installing complete fly by wire. And it doesent need high load capacity- its a defence fighter, it only needs a couple of rockets.
Agility and thrust are all a fighter could want.
RAFiennes 2 years ago
But most of countries need a multirole aircraft, they aren't able to use many types of jets as it'd be too expensive and co. And lots of them use (or are forced to) MiG 29 as a multirole fighter while MiGs suck at it. You can't only defense, you need to attack as your base's going to be destroyed finally. And you can't as you have MiG 29 - with their little range and poor ability to carry other weapons than air-to-air.
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
Well as with all of Russias military tech the Mig 29 is rugged, very useful, easy to maintain and prduce. And it can perform multiple roles as well. In my previous comment i stated that the Mig 29 is primeraly a defense fighter, which is true, but not becuse of its lack to deliver a strike to the enemy on the ground but because (In Russias case) the much larger Sukhoi can deliver more. But the Sukhoi is also more expensive etc..thats the only reason that the Mig is used as an air defense fighter
RAFiennes 2 years ago 25
Well, the newest versions of MiGs aren't that bad but they are still (and forever?) rare, especially when it comes to Russian Air Force and current European NATO users. Sukhoi's more expensive (but not that expensive!!!), it's better as well. Ethiopian Su-27s showed who's better, killing some Eritrean MiG 29s.
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
I agree. Russia doesn't have enough money to produce them and other countries ather decide for western technology (the f16 are very very cheap i hear). And NATO users continue the tradition started during the cold war, boycoting a lot of Russian tech. I agree with you completely
RAFiennes 2 years ago
Heh, not that cheap but when you order a full armament package (what's simply great!!!) + good offset, it's pretty cheap. Heh, my country's (Poland) Air Force use both MiG 29s and F-16s (Block 52+) so I'm interested in this issue. :P
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
@RAFiennes Ha! "Easy to maintain". According to a Russian military publication over 70% of Russian MiG29s are no longer capable of flying due to poor maintenance. The MiG29 has more than 500 crashes to its record.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 well it is true that most of russias fighter fleet is non-flyable because of poo maintenance. but that has nothing to do with how hard or easy it is to maintain a mig 29. Russia operates around 1300 fighter aircraft alone (not counting cargo, support, bombers and helicopters) and simply fueling an army that vast is a challenge gor russia even today (sadly), because the country still hasnt fully recovered from the dissolution of the soviet union and the economic collapse that followed
RAFiennes 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 furthermore even the seemingly undefeated F 15 with its top of the range maintanenance has over 130 known crashes. That doesent mean the maintenance is bad. It simply means that more migs crashed, due to there being more migs in service than f 15. the fact is that a lot of the countries that operate fulcrums cannot or will not pay for the required maintenance. Migs were build with maintainability and are therefore (with PROPER) maintenance as reliable as an AK-47
RAFiennes 1 year ago
@RAFiennes If Migs were sooo reliable maintenance would not be a problem. F-15s require more work and are considerably older than the MiG-29. I'm a professional A&PT. I know what fixing aircraft is all about. I've backseated a MiG-29 and know first hand how hard it is to fix one. And parts ain't easy to find despite the huge number of Fulcrums there are. MiGs suck..ASS. Simple. If they didn't they wouldn't have horrible crash and combat records.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 the migs are an aging fleet that hasn't seen a new model for a long time whereas the F 15 has seen quite a lot of new and improved models over the years. and are only about 8 years older but much more expensive to operate. but the US can afford it opposed to modern russia. And although you are a professional A&PT as you claim you have probably never worked on a Mig 29. Backseating one would not have given you credible information on fixing one although it must have been a great ride
RAFiennes 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 well the parts normally would come from the factory that holds the rights to produce them. with the money to buy them everything is possible. Parts for the F 15 arent that easy to come by either. It is military material and that is normally hard to come by. And MiGs don't suck ASS. Simpler. If they did the USA wouldnt bother to buy the Moldavian MiG 29 fleet.
And again crash and combat records tell you nothing. Thats just a statistic made on weaker export versions of the MiG 29.
RAFiennes 1 year ago 2
@RAFiennes What are you talking about? Was I even talking to you? NO! Military equipment isn't hard for the military to come by at all. I wasn't talking on a civil market. The F-15 damn near 40 years old and still has a much better record than the younger, supposedly better MiG29. And yes, combat and crash records tell you efficiency. How could you say they tell you nothing? Are you on drugs? The US has four MiG29s that we don't use.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 what was the point of the argument and i quote "And parts ain't easy to find despite the huge number of Fulcrums there are" ? yeah but i say AGAIN with the money the US is putting in its fighter fleet Russia could operate double the amount of aircraft. Russian fighters are CHEAPER but that doesent mean russia can afford it. yes it is true that stats tell you efficiency IF they are made on a normal standard. The statistics were made on export mig 29 which were confirmed to be inferior
RAFiennes 1 year ago
@RAFiennes Here dude. Here's a link. 70% of Russian Air Force MiG 29s do not fly. India uses the latest model MiG29s. They have no problem affording the resources to fix them, yet they still have an unbeaten crash rate. And yes, I workded on a particular MiG29M for a a period of three weeks in Poland. I helped repair both engines and update the avionics. I backseated it twice before I left for home. I was an aviation repair technician in the Marines, and a damn good one.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 dude. i don't need a link. i believe what you say. India does use the latest model of mig 29s but their astonishing crash record comes from older MiG 21s (literaly 100s of crashes with these). heres a link of recorded IAF crashes with the first MiG 29 crash (warbirds. in /Crashes /crpage .php?cur=700&qacid=AL&qafdb=IAF&datesall= ON&fmdate =&fmmonth = &fmyear =&todate= &tomonth= &toyear =) (without the empty spaces)
going through all i could count only 7 mig 29s going down.
RAFiennes 1 year ago
and I am not questioning your occupation, skills or experience. I am just saying that the MiG 29 is simpler to operate than most fighter jets and cheaper. But its major operator cannot really afford it in such quantities.
And is an outstanding performer for the price asked.
RAFiennes 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 Another pointless argument about aviation on Youtube, You were a ''damn'' good technician in the Marines? Really? Is that why they sent you to Poland?
Just respect the engineering brilliance and stop talking shit.
9882gg 1 year ago
@9882gg To answer your smart ass question...yes. That is why. Because they needed people who could speak and read Russian in order to get these aircraft to perform their best. For the sake of training our F/A-18 pilots against the MiG-29. Another nobody with no experience trying to make a point. I love you amateurs. You think you know facts but you've never even put your hands on any of this.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
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@aeroshark1 Another pointless argument about aviation on Youtube, You were a ''damn'' good technician in the Marines? Really? Is that why they sent you to Poland?
Just respect the engineering brilliance and stop talking shit.
9882gg 1 year ago
to the ones russia operates normally also the pilot training is not top notch in the countries that purchase them. ergo the stats mean nothing because they are made on lesser pilot+aircraft pairs Its like saying that the F 22 is crap just because 200 were shot down in africa while flying on one engine and piloted by a kid Hardly a meaningful statistic. (not meant to offend anyone)
Its not the point that the USA dont use the migs but that they consider them a threat they want to eliminate badly
RAFiennes 1 year ago
@aeroshark1 they have a awful combat record simly cause arab pilots flew em.
if russia supplied the US and Israel, the Mig 29 would rule the sky.
and i KNOW under what conditions a Mig is maintained.
NOT in clean, air conditioned hangars and without good personal...
RD19902010 1 year ago
@RD19902010 Thos Arab pilots were trained by Russian pilots. The Iraqi MiG-29 pilots of the Gulf War were the top, and most experienced pilots of the Iraqi AF. And they were trained by nine supposed Russian AF aces for a period of a year. The MiG-29 pilots of the Luftwaffe were the best MiG pilots in the world. And Germany, known for their engineering and resourcefulness, did not see the MiG-29 worth hanging on to. Now Poland is trying to get rid of them too for some F-16s.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
@RAFiennes this concept also applied with the USAF. The F-16 is cheaper to produce and lighter while the F-15 is heavier, with longer range. soon both of them will be replace by the F-35 and F-22. I love mig-29 and SU-30 mki, 35 simply because it look agressive.
truonghthe 1 year ago
@truonghthe I think that the F-16 and F-15 will not be replace completely by new the F-35 and F-22 . MIG-29 and SU-30 will not be replace completely by new MIG and SU in Russia. Becouse the new aircrafts are very expensive, and Russia and USA are not enemies now. F15, F16, F18 destroy of terrorists is excellent now.
OttoSkortseni 1 year ago
@OttoSkortseni I agree with you there because the F-35 already run a price tag at $70 mil per plane and same goes with the Mig-35. may be we gona keep our 1970s design for awhile.
truonghthe 1 year ago
afganastan might disagree with you on the "their ground only" comment.
smyers820gm 2 years ago
Yeah but thta was in the day of the Soviet union. In that time they thought they could beat anyone. And they could. Just not afghanistan.
Its a fun fact that afghanistan never lost a war in its history. I believe the Indians wrote in their books that the last thing a man would want is to have natural disasters and to quarrel with afghan peolpe :)
But I think that was the only case of the USSR fighting in a direct offensive movements.
But yeah...good point
RAFiennes 2 years ago
for the record this is not a flame war but thie first time was hungary. back in the 50's....and lets not forget georgia and chechnya
smyers820gm 2 years ago
Well yes youre right but at that time Hungary was more or less a part of the USSR because they signed a treaty that allowed Soviet ocupation. And the Hungarians changed their mind in 56 and revolted. Chechnya is still a part of Russia today and is not considered as an independant state. And in the case of Georgia Russia supposedly only responded very rapidly to an attack on georgia. Suposedly they only helped georgians defend their country but i dont remember where i read that.
RAFiennes 2 years ago
But i must admit that i might have stated the "on their ground only" a bit awquardly. I should have put it "Russia is only fighting on terrain they know very well" with the exception of Afghanistan.
RAFiennes 2 years ago
Heh, airshows are nothing and that MiG-29 OTV has also nth to do with MiGs from mass production used in air forces. It got thrust-vectoring engines, I'm pretty sure that aircraft got such a "diet", they removed everything what was considered as a ballast. And it's a normal proceeding for MiGs and Sukhoiy's at airshows, what means no armament on board, all needless stuff out and some drops of fuel just to make a show. If it's not done, disasters like in Lviv happen.
anaivanovicpsman 2 years ago
hi f15 knock off how r u lol
mitsuenthu 2 years ago
Lol... random shark.
dan10024 2 years ago
The same people who dismiss the capabilities of Russian equipment adopt the dangerous attitude of war planners in the mid-1960's who felt that missle technology would removed the need for an internal cannon. When you disrespect your adversary, the chink in your technology is usually pointed out for you.
YakAV8R 2 years ago
Indredible and amazing jet :)
Benoit1911 2 years ago
A single F22 could take at least a dozen of these old Russian jets out before they even knew it. I can't believe people are even debating this.
Russia made a nice acrobatic plane. But the F-22 is on another dimension technologically. Russia does well to even get stuff in the air given how limited their budget is. America spends a hundred times more money on aerospace than Russia does every year
scotty123123 2 years ago
This is economics. Russia is poor country.
scotty123123 2 years ago
you should remember that the mig 29 was designed more than 2 decades ago and yet it is still a match for the more modern fighters.
93military 2 years ago
before comparing the f-22 and mig remember that russia always does more at airshows with their aircraft than the United States. What you see in an airshow video clip of the F-22 isn't anything close to what the aircraft can really do.
msalak87 2 years ago
mig 29 is a joke nowadays
michelangeli23 2 years ago
Many countries still use this plane. Mig 29 is a legend and a legend can never be a joke.
yoggi94 2 years ago 2
F22 may be the best fighter for long range attack. But in a war it is all about tactics. I think if on of this just appear near a F22 then for F22 game is over!!
rameesha24 2 years ago
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pup2097 2 years ago
well, u think wrong, buddy.
DerTommy86 2 years ago
I agree resheema24
yoggi94 2 years ago
I think that kind of manouver will be unnecessary during a dog fight
surfsup61 2 years ago 2
yea, its a demo plane. made to look very good but when your fully loaded with missles/bombs not much of that going on.
zackman40 2 years ago
well F22 also did all its maneuvers without load and with 50% fuel!
diasmon 2 years ago
i didnt say anything about the f-22, the mig-29 ovt beats the fuck out of it in maneuvers but technology wise it doesnt match.
zackman40 2 years ago
That;s an old tale without base. Mig-29 and SU-27 are inherantly aerodynamical and much better frames and their engines produce more thrust than the plane weighs. That means that you can add weapons on the plane and still maintain speed and manoeuverablity. Also all the missile are aerodynamicaly shaped, meaning they don't produce drag sufficient enough to disturb the plane's overall aerodynamic shape.
Add wing fuel tanks, those produce drag and additional weight that slows the plane down.
Iggy82xl 2 years ago
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21vampire21 2 years ago
It's Clubbed to death by Rob Dougan!
diasmon 2 years ago
Thanks A lot!
21vampire21 2 years ago
In long distant fight yes. In near fight of Mig-29 ОВТ (or Mig-35) will break off F-22 as a dog a hot-water bottle.
shadowname1 2 years ago
Mig-29 is a great combat aircraft, but it has no chance against the F-22 ,I am just real...respect from Germany one more time...
Ju87G1 2 years ago 4
active electronically scanned array radar, RD-33MK engines and the newly designed optical locator system. The new OLS can provide targeting solutions for both ground and air targets at 360 degrees of the aircraft. All controls are digital displayed on LCD. RD-33MK "Morskaya Osa" engine has a 7% higher horsepower compared with the original one due to the usage of modern materials on the cooled blades. It also has systems that reduce its infrared and optical visibility.
Zbyszkoz 2 years ago
The engines could be equipped with the thrust vectoring nozzles which would increase combat efficiency by 12-15%. This is the worlds only thrust vectoring engine that has the ability to rotate in all directions.
Zbyszkoz 2 years ago
stupid yankees, shiver with fear, crowd of the grown fat gays and lesbians)))
ReDDDgo 2 years ago
This is fucking amazing, it is just unbelievable. did I spelle it wrong!
adamtube2 2 years ago
ппц. ани реально думают что это ф-22 ?О.о
Nekoshik 2 years ago
no one can now what kind of technology in the mig29 cause there is no areal test to these air crafts togather so dont be a proud of the f-22 that much
corvitte 2 years ago 7
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More Russian garbage for F-22's to shoot down. Tooooo easy.
maylolik 2 years ago
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mihnea1796 2 years ago
maylolik: haha
f22 sucks and swallows. this american trough even cannot fly))))
ReDDDgo 2 years ago
you guys dont know what your talking about you realy think this plane can be the f-22 what are you guys smoking its only a mig 29 with thrust vectoring and plus they wouldnt see or know if the f-22 is there accept that the f-22 is the best plane in the world if we put it out on the market russia would buy it alot of countrys will and not to forget russia cant afford the su-37 or 47 they dont have the money nore they dont have that many planes come on over 135 f-22s good luck russia.
homboy107 2 years ago 2
and i mean beat sorry.
homboy107 2 years ago
why you don't try, govnaro
ajhiobej 2 years ago
+ - 90 % of the things you say are wrong...
lucdec 2 years ago
oh realy well your probly not american thats probly why alot of you people think the sukios are better wich there not dont every try to say this plane can beat the raptor cus your rong 100% an the thing about russia is true they cant afford the su-37 and su-47 to much money an im am not 90% rong
homboy107 2 years ago
Oh yeah right, they can't afford to buy 37s and 47s, that's why they are devolopping a much more expensive PAK-FA. Logic?
Btw: Price of 1 F-22 -> 200 mil.
Price of 1 Su-27 -> 30 mil.
But I don't think that one F-22 can beat 6 Su-27.
lucdec 2 years ago 2
Mig 29 OVT is an air show plane... F-22 is a combat it has the best technology in the world, alot of brain was put in, that thing... But there is a new plane russia just made the SU-47 that can compite with F-22 and at some point its better then F-22
Sashak1985 2 years ago
This plane could beat the F-22!
This plane could beat the F-22 !
This plane could beat the F-22 !
joelfiat147 2 years ago 4
agreed
GGAndersson 2 years ago 4
no it cant that plane wouldnt even get close to the f-22
homboy107 2 years ago
This is an aerobatics technology-demonstrator (demonstrating thrust-vectoring). To claim that this plane could beat the F-22 (to claim that it could get anywhere near the F-22), is a sign of incredible ignorance.
Doing back-flips is for air-shows. It has little role in 21st century air-combat.
michelangeli23 2 years ago
concidering that the trash F-22 Craptor is being cancled this year, i wouldnt be talking... its absolute trash... sure, the F-22 has BVR capabilities... but with the AIM-120... yeah right, the Mig-29 and Su-27/30/33/34/35 all have BVR too, with the R-77 which has greater range and manuverability than the AIM-120... therefor i emplore you to SUCK IT lol
F-22 is trash
bittemeinrammstein 2 years ago
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raptor turns to pray...
Ravenlord79 2 years ago
Craptor is trash
bittemeinrammstein 2 years ago
Thats why the raptor is the most feared so called trash figher in the world. The f-22 would easily beat this plane in beyond visual range, using stealth and manouverability.
tonygogap 2 years ago
hmm... funny, seeing as the F-22 has never seen a single combat mission, so who fears it? and where did you acquire this information? lol bet you cant prove it? lol yeah thats what i though buddy...
the F-22 is getting cancled this year, thats how shitty it is lol... and the inventor of the F-16 even says that lol bitch, get off your propaganda bullshit, the F-22 is absolute trash
bittemeinrammstein 2 years ago
No other country makes better dogfighters. They did their homework. I love it. Their jets do what was once thought impossible.
nezamo 2 years ago 2
Look at how that thing turns- on a penny! Russians have made new king of dogfight!
serbiansaber1 2 years ago
Russian aircraft the best!
maxispeed0 2 years ago 3
MiG-29 is better than the su-27 but Russia choose the su for their carrier deck!5/5!
BulgarianInCanada 2 years ago
sweet american dreams )))
AV58 2 years ago
russian engineering at its finest
okturus 3 years ago 9
I don't ike the argues with guys who never step up in a plane. Facts: F22 have vectoring in 2 axes with a bearing of 22 degrees. Mig 29 OVT (total thrust vectoring) is vectoring the thrust in 3 dimensions. This is making this plane higly maneuverable. I invit you at Fairford 2009 to compare thi 2 planes and then I will expect your posts.
Best regards
Flt cmdr Irimie Lupu
Sqdr 72 Fighters
flytalon 3 years ago 4
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JPK1990 3 years ago 4
no. our pilots, after watching the flight of f22 said that saw nothing new.
IfeuerI 3 years ago
WHAT IS THAT FROM 1.08 TO 1.10!
USArCOWARDS 3 years ago
cual es el nombre de la canción??
por favor si pueden escribirme en mi canal se los agradeceria
Whats the name of the song?- please write in my channel
and....i love this aircraft!!!
is the best!!
Shaddai310 3 years ago
I dont know the name of the song but its from the matrix! so look it up =)
quericosavor 3 years ago
moby - matrix theme
IfeuerI 3 years ago
The song is: Clubbed to death, by doug something. ^^
GL m8
PrickIttwice 3 years ago 2
.... Rob Dougan
CrimsonKingl2 3 years ago 2