Nice. I see Dave about twice a week cause he comes in the grocery store I work at EVERY SINGLE NIGHT to buy his gallon of water and organic veggies and frozen organic dinners. He eats healthy. hahaha.. and we can't talk long about music cause his common-law-wife says, "ok Dave, let's go."
@EntertainerCentral My friend, while I appreciate your comments, it seems that you have missed the point of this demo. It is to demonstrate the similarities between SD's pu's compared to real paf's. The tone of the amps is inconsequential. If you don't dig the tone, that's fine, but try to be objective and give me your opinion on the SD pu's and how they sound relative to the paf's. Thanks, dre
@dretot Fair enough .. the sound signature is fairly close considering the differences in the wood, bridge & saddles. You presumably used teh same strings ... sounded like you had the condensor mic in the foreground still on yes? I seemed to hear a little accoustic sound of the guitar. If not what mic did you use please and was the amp and mic in a separate room?
@EntertainerCentral Thanks for that. Yes the camera mic was in the mix. Both lp's had a new set of 10's, and I set my lp up the same as the '60 (tailpiece hieght, break angle over the bridge). Amps were a '65 deluxe reverb and jtm45 clone, close mic-ed w/akg 414's in an iso both. I didn't spend much time on the amp tone since I only had the guitar for an hour, just a quick clean and dirty dry tone. Check my youtube page for the (close-mic only) version of the demo. dre
Oh I know about the differences in the wood. I own 6 LP's including a early 80's Gibson heritage 80 with Shaws(which I did switch out for a while), 2005 Gibson Jimmy Page and a couple of custom shops and everyone of them is different (just like women!).
First I would like to apologize for all of the idiotic questions or comments that have posted here. Anyway, the pickups sound great but I can close my eyes and hear a bit of a difference. I may be wrong but the PAF (bridge) seems to have, for lack of a better description, a more compressed chime. I'm definately going to check out the SD's, because so far they're the closest I've ever heard. p.s. Great video!
@nascobra Thanks for your comments. The majority of the difference is in the wood, but remember, the burst has a mid 60's pat# pu in the bridge so it has a slightly different tone. Dave's pu's are incredibly close to the paf's. Check out my vids of his vl2's and vl3's. They are even better. dre
To my ears, unplugged the vintage burst sounds more open and woody while the historic sounds tighter and brighter. However by the time you're playing electrically through the JTM45 the pickups really equalized the tones between both guitars! Damn near indistinguishable.
Wow! Great video. It's easy to tell by the acoustic sound that the old one is heavier. I wouldn't mind owning either of these. Sounds like the old neck PAF has more windings than the SD neck. I prefer the SD neck. Both bridge pickups are great. I wouldn't get a second mortgage to buy the old guitar. I'd go with the reissue with the SD pickups.
@pleximanic ha ha, thanks, but it's not chambered. It weighs 8.5lbs and has been refined. The refin really opened up the tone. Glad you like it and thanks for listening :)
@kristofferpence I think you're hearing the camera mic that's picking up the studio monitors and the guitars acoustically. Both guitars are set up with 10s (medium action) and the historic was recently plekked. Listen to the other demo close mic only I removed the camera mic.
I love the older Paul's acoustic tone. It has the real Mahogany wood tone with Mucho spank. I have a 92' reissue of that same guitar with the xtra deep body carve top and slightly thinner one piece body and slim taper neck. I have a 2000 honey burst that exhibits the same tonal difference both acoustically and through amp. Rounder and fuller but not as spanky and hard to control feed back more so on the 2002. They both sound better every year. Those pickups are very nice. Highly Recommended.
this video is totally awesome. during the clean comparison, you can really hear the difference between the guitars, but mostly in the neck and middle positions... during the bridge comparison, i had a hard time hearing any difference between the two (probably a result of the general accentuated treble of that position...). obviously, during the jtm comparison, this is even more true. i can't wait to get mine in the mail!!!! my paul is waiting... and i sold an amp to get ready for a second set.
fmilktoast, Congradulations! You are going to be totally blown away! The difference in tone is in the wood(burst vs. historic).The vl's are virtually identical to the paf's. I actually prefer the vl neck to the paf neck! I'm preparing for another set myself!
The Acoustic Comparison is critical to understanding how great these pickups really are. If you don't have great speakers... get out your headphones!! Listen carefully to the acoustic comparison first.
Great job on the clip. Sounds excellent. Recording the acoustic comparison was a great idea, you can definitely hear the newer guitar is brighter. It sounds like it needs to be played for 40 years :)
hey just a question..do guitars get less bright the more you play them? ive got a 58 reissue and its fairly bright at times it drives me nuts ive been looking at diffrent pick ups rather than the stock burstbuckers just not sure..cheers.
I don't really know. It might have more to do with the old guitars being made from original growth wood. The trees where older when they were cut for the vintage guitars. Try adjusting your tone knobs or use a higher value capacitor (0.033uF) if you find your guitar too bright.
yeah i know that about the old growth wood not sure if i beleive all that stuff..anyway yeah i was thinking of putting some better caps in there maybe some real paper in oil caps like the originals..
yo bro. over many years the moisture in the wood of some guitars will escape and cause the wood to sound different, which accounts for many tonal changes which can include increased 'warmth'. anyway, you should try using not only paper-in-oil .022 caps, but also using the 50's gibson wiring schematic to rewire your guitar, including using 500k pots and quality wire (not cheap plastic-coated wire). all of that will smooth out your pickups quite a bit.
thanks for the reply, yeah ive been wanting to do all those changes but its hard finding a good tech guy here in the north uk that knows what hes's doing..plus finding the parts i need here isnt easy either..i guess il have to ship the parts in need from somewhere in the us or something..where that is i dont have a clue:) cheers mate..
I like the PAF better... it's grittyer..a nd more raw... more emotional. But that is (of coarse) just my opinion. His pickup definitely sounds good though.. i would describe it as more smooth and more smooth and rounded...
I want to point out that the acoustic differences in the guitars is making the real PAFs sound a little more mellow because the guitar itself is a little more mellow, also the PAF neck pickup in the burst is a hotter wind than mine, so its a tad darker. Dre did a great demo here, very well done, good job!
thru the deluxe - the 60 by a nose. the marshall - toss up. gain in an amp is the great equalizer. at "7" through a screaming amp a First Act guitar sounds like this.
Hey don't diss the first acts... there make custom shop guitars that rock... I have a one off from them..it's the best I have ever played (made in Boston, MA at the custom shop).
To my ear the real 60 Paul is mellower with or without the pickups. A true test would be using the same guitar with the different sets of pickups.
Juda0326 8 months ago
Nice. I see Dave about twice a week cause he comes in the grocery store I work at EVERY SINGLE NIGHT to buy his gallon of water and organic veggies and frozen organic dinners. He eats healthy. hahaha.. and we can't talk long about music cause his common-law-wife says, "ok Dave, let's go."
quinnmyster 1 year ago
I'll probably get hate mail but I didn't like the sound of either very much!
Maybe the amp. But just meh bland to me & the OD sound is not very smooth .. its buzzy
EntertainerCentral 1 year ago 2
@EntertainerCentral My friend, while I appreciate your comments, it seems that you have missed the point of this demo. It is to demonstrate the similarities between SD's pu's compared to real paf's. The tone of the amps is inconsequential. If you don't dig the tone, that's fine, but try to be objective and give me your opinion on the SD pu's and how they sound relative to the paf's. Thanks, dre
dretot 1 year ago
@dretot Fair enough .. the sound signature is fairly close considering the differences in the wood, bridge & saddles. You presumably used teh same strings ... sounded like you had the condensor mic in the foreground still on yes? I seemed to hear a little accoustic sound of the guitar. If not what mic did you use please and was the amp and mic in a separate room?
EntertainerCentral 1 year ago
@EntertainerCentral Thanks for that. Yes the camera mic was in the mix. Both lp's had a new set of 10's, and I set my lp up the same as the '60 (tailpiece hieght, break angle over the bridge). Amps were a '65 deluxe reverb and jtm45 clone, close mic-ed w/akg 414's in an iso both. I didn't spend much time on the amp tone since I only had the guitar for an hour, just a quick clean and dirty dry tone. Check my youtube page for the (close-mic only) version of the demo. dre
dretot 1 year ago
The bridge pickups were nearly identical...very nice. The PAF is slightly heavier sounding, but quite close. I'd like to hear a set in my GO.
parrotoid 1 year ago
Oh I know about the differences in the wood. I own 6 LP's including a early 80's Gibson heritage 80 with Shaws(which I did switch out for a while), 2005 Gibson Jimmy Page and a couple of custom shops and everyone of them is different (just like women!).
nascobra 1 year ago
First I would like to apologize for all of the idiotic questions or comments that have posted here. Anyway, the pickups sound great but I can close my eyes and hear a bit of a difference. I may be wrong but the PAF (bridge) seems to have, for lack of a better description, a more compressed chime. I'm definately going to check out the SD's, because so far they're the closest I've ever heard. p.s. Great video!
nascobra 1 year ago
@nascobra Thanks for your comments. The majority of the difference is in the wood, but remember, the burst has a mid 60's pat# pu in the bridge so it has a slightly different tone. Dave's pu's are incredibly close to the paf's. Check out my vids of his vl2's and vl3's. They are even better. dre
dretot 1 year ago
To my ears, unplugged the vintage burst sounds more open and woody while the historic sounds tighter and brighter. However by the time you're playing electrically through the JTM45 the pickups really equalized the tones between both guitars! Damn near indistinguishable.
Slammintone 1 year ago
What a great Demo! I wish everyone was this thorough, I'm sold!
rjduval 1 year ago
you cannot top the tone of that bridge position pickup in the 1960 at 4:27. so amazing
fmilktoast 1 year ago
Wow! Great video. It's easy to tell by the acoustic sound that the old one is heavier. I wouldn't mind owning either of these. Sounds like the old neck PAF has more windings than the SD neck. I prefer the SD neck. Both bridge pickups are great. I wouldn't get a second mortgage to buy the old guitar. I'd go with the reissue with the SD pickups.
charlesdespres 1 year ago
thats a killer reissue!
johnbeloe 1 year ago
these sound great but theres a vintage lab 2 set now ..im waiting for a set of over the pond guy pafs cant wait!!!
fretboarder 1 year ago
How much does the 1960 weighs?????
Sounds like it's a little heavier!
pleximanic 1 year ago
@pleximanic You're right. Not sure exactly how much, but it's a little heavier than mine. So maybe 8.75 or 9lbs.
dretot 1 year ago
That historic Les Paul must be chambered, it sounds better to me than the original 1960 both acoustically and electrically!
pleximanic 1 year ago
@pleximanic ha ha, thanks, but it's not chambered. It weighs 8.5lbs and has been refined. The refin really opened up the tone. Glad you like it and thanks for listening :)
dre
dretot 1 year ago
alot of fret buzz, sounds like you need a set up or heavier strings.. but that 60 sounds good
kristofferpence 1 year ago
@kristofferpence I think you're hearing the camera mic that's picking up the studio monitors and the guitars acoustically. Both guitars are set up with 10s (medium action) and the historic was recently plekked. Listen to the other demo close mic only I removed the camera mic.
dretot 1 year ago
I love the older Paul's acoustic tone. It has the real Mahogany wood tone with Mucho spank. I have a 92' reissue of that same guitar with the xtra deep body carve top and slightly thinner one piece body and slim taper neck. I have a 2000 honey burst that exhibits the same tonal difference both acoustically and through amp. Rounder and fuller but not as spanky and hard to control feed back more so on the 2002. They both sound better every year. Those pickups are very nice. Highly Recommended.
device9 2 years ago
what a great demo. Congratulations.
iagobroxado 2 years ago
this video is totally awesome. during the clean comparison, you can really hear the difference between the guitars, but mostly in the neck and middle positions... during the bridge comparison, i had a hard time hearing any difference between the two (probably a result of the general accentuated treble of that position...). obviously, during the jtm comparison, this is even more true. i can't wait to get mine in the mail!!!! my paul is waiting... and i sold an amp to get ready for a second set.
fmilktoast 2 years ago
fmilktoast, Congradulations! You are going to be totally blown away! The difference in tone is in the wood(burst vs. historic).The vl's are virtually identical to the paf's. I actually prefer the vl neck to the paf neck! I'm preparing for another set myself!
post a clip when you get your's!
dre
dretot 2 years ago
The Acoustic Comparison is critical to understanding how great these pickups really are. If you don't have great speakers... get out your headphones!! Listen carefully to the acoustic comparison first.
Corporations8MyBaby 2 years ago
listen to the clip with your eyes closed, very difficult to tell them apart. all i can detect is the slight brightness of the newer guitar
markyellowseries3 2 years ago
Great job on the clip. Sounds excellent. Recording the acoustic comparison was a great idea, you can definitely hear the newer guitar is brighter. It sounds like it needs to be played for 40 years :)
Can't wait to get one of your pickups!
forcedfirepedals 2 years ago 2
hey just a question..do guitars get less bright the more you play them? ive got a 58 reissue and its fairly bright at times it drives me nuts ive been looking at diffrent pick ups rather than the stock burstbuckers just not sure..cheers.
fretboarder 2 years ago
I don't really know. It might have more to do with the old guitars being made from original growth wood. The trees where older when they were cut for the vintage guitars. Try adjusting your tone knobs or use a higher value capacitor (0.033uF) if you find your guitar too bright.
forcedfirepedals 2 years ago
yeah i know that about the old growth wood not sure if i beleive all that stuff..anyway yeah i was thinking of putting some better caps in there maybe some real paper in oil caps like the originals..
fretboarder 2 years ago
yo bro. over many years the moisture in the wood of some guitars will escape and cause the wood to sound different, which accounts for many tonal changes which can include increased 'warmth'. anyway, you should try using not only paper-in-oil .022 caps, but also using the 50's gibson wiring schematic to rewire your guitar, including using 500k pots and quality wire (not cheap plastic-coated wire). all of that will smooth out your pickups quite a bit.
fmilktoast 2 years ago
thanks for the reply, yeah ive been wanting to do all those changes but its hard finding a good tech guy here in the north uk that knows what hes's doing..plus finding the parts i need here isnt easy either..i guess il have to ship the parts in need from somewhere in the us or something..where that is i dont have a clue:) cheers mate..
fretboarder 2 years ago
not sure where u are in the north but have u tried Jim Fleeting in Rippon he's real good!!
satch60 1 year ago
@satch60 hi thanks for the reply..im in sunderland mate so its a bit of trek going that far..
if anyone knows anyone in the sunderland area reading this then give me a shout please..cheers:)
fretboarder 1 year ago
I like the PAF better... it's grittyer..a nd more raw... more emotional. But that is (of coarse) just my opinion. His pickup definitely sounds good though.. i would describe it as more smooth and more smooth and rounded...
nickothompson 2 years ago
You are hearing the difference between the guitars, not the pickups. It's the wood that is giving that more organic sound.
Vtwin1340 2 years ago
The burst has these throaty, vocal mids that the GT doesn't. It's more noticeable with the DR.
Al112987 2 years ago
agreed.... it's got a growl to it... i tink it may have to do with age... dust... etc. but maybe not..
nickothompson 2 years ago
I want to point out that the acoustic differences in the guitars is making the real PAFs sound a little more mellow because the guitar itself is a little more mellow, also the PAF neck pickup in the burst is a hotter wind than mine, so its a tad darker. Dre did a great demo here, very well done, good job!
SDPickups 2 years ago
the originals sound like they have a little more throat and depth. but wow! those pickups are really really impressive too say the least !
kennzo5150 2 years ago
Tell us more about the JTM45 specs. I didn't like either one until you plugged into the JTM.
Straylitzia 2 years ago
thru the deluxe - the 60 by a nose. the marshall - toss up. gain in an amp is the great equalizer. at "7" through a screaming amp a First Act guitar sounds like this.
superreverbking 2 years ago
Hey don't diss the first acts... there make custom shop guitars that rock... I have a one off from them..it's the best I have ever played (made in Boston, MA at the custom shop).
nickothompson 2 years ago
The JTM45 comparisons are virtually indistinguishable.
Thanks for this, it's made my choice very easy.
Bill
ballato12345 2 years ago
Wow this is amazing, so now I got to to try some of your pups LOL!!!
StowBurst 2 years ago
Hey where can I get the pickups I want a pair NOW!!
zafasg 2 years ago
Brilliant! pretty amazing pickups keep it coming.
zafasg 2 years ago
Noitpure, Thank you. I only wish I had more time with that burst!
dretot 2 years ago
Great demo! Thanks for taking the time to do this!
Noitpure 2 years ago