Melting scrap aluminum for ingots

[alpoughaugustine]

hi

[scottiblasto]

would I be able to use an old ceramic crock pot (slow cooker) pot?

[Nubs4TheWin]

Minecraft needs Aluminum

[Paintfiend123]

can you make knuckel dusters with this method?

[210482fmj]

tell me anybody could i make a jet engine casing at home using this kind of technique if i made a mould? what basic equipmetn do i need for metling metal apart from propane. does it need to be a high pressure burner or low pressure burner regulator.

[TheTanker2010]

@210482fmj you could never make a jet engine from aluminum there is to much stress. plus they are kind of big and its not easy theres many parts inside it that turn and cranks that create the jet force so yea no you couldnt.

[DRAT311]

Again, you're being silly by asking for proof that the WTC did burn as hot as an office fire. It is an office fire. So in the absence of proof that it was somehow spectacularly cool and unusual a scientific mind must assume it burned at normal temps like any other fire. Ok, here is the link AGAIN. Don't ignore it this time - wwwDOTmaceDOTmanchesterDOTacDO­Tuk/project/research/structure­s/strucfire/Design/performance­/fireModelling/nominalFireCurv­es/defaultDOThtm

[jiminiflix]

could you makes it even shorter?

[mooners40]

can aluminum ever glow orange and be molten because of a fire in a building?

[mike4ty4]

@mooners40 Yes. In this video, it is already glowing red. Get it hotter and it can glow even more.

[mooners40]

@mike4ty4 a furnace is not an office fire 

[mike4ty4]

@mooners40 No, but such fires can get up to a thousand degrees centigrade or higher, at which point aluminum will glow even more intensely than this.

[mooners40]

@mike4ty4 don't be ridiculous - a roaring forest fire can maybe reach 1000c - an office fire? no chance - aluminum is silvery when molten - the container is not made of aluminum - the container is glowing orange

[mike4ty4]

@mooners40 Not the WTC fires, which have been determined by hard sicence to have reached over 1000 degrees c. Presuming those are the fires you are referring to (since that's the only "office fires" of which I know that people discuss so mucha bout especially when making claims about molten metal in a building fire on net forums.). The container is glowing, but when it _pours into the mold_ you can see it glowing red _while it is in the mold_ for a bit before it cools.

[mooners40]

@mike4ty4 the silver is reflecting the red - like a mirror - an office fire cannot reach 1000c - show us all your hard science source

[mike4ty4]

@mooners40 Look more closely. If you look early in the pour, as the crucible is moved, there is a light spot that moves -- while the rest still has a dull red glow. The moving one is the reflection, while the overall red glow comes from the self-glow of the metal, and only some of what it seen there is reflection. The stuff is so "shiny" that it does not give a diffuse, spread-out reflection like you'd need.

[mooners40]

@mike4ty4 hard science source?

[mike4ty4]

@mooners40 For what? The fire temps?

[mooners40]

@mike4ty4 for aluminum glowing ORANGE WHEN MOLTEN - EVEN WITH ORGANICS MIXED - RESEARCH WEIN'S LAW -  caps lock oops

[mike4ty4]

@mooners40 Wien's law only gives the peak wavelength, not the full spectrum. And organics should help to increase the epsilon (emissivity), I'd think...

[mooners40]

@mike4ty4 watch?v=cxFXFkN6FaI

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 wwwDOTmaceDOTmanchesterDOTacDO­Tuk/project/research/structure­s/strucfire/Design/performance­/fireModelling/nominalFireCurv­es/defaultDOThtm - "For example, the modern offices tend to contain large quantities of hydrocarbon fuels in decoration, furniture, computers and electric devices, in forms of polymers, plastics, artificial leathers and laminates etc. Consequently, the fire becomes more severe than the conventional standard fire." "hydrocarbon fires... 1100°C and 1120°C..."

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 wwwDOTdoctorfireDOTcom/flametm­pDOThtml - "Of interest is the maximum value which is fairly regularly found. This value turns out to be around 1200°C"

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Here is another video of someone melting aluminum in their back yard and pouring it. Not that sand is not a heat sink like the metal mold in this video so the aluminum retains its heat and its red glow long after there is nothing to possibly be reflecting. watch?v=NU956GwJDRQ

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 what proof do you have that it is aluminum?

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 You think that guy was able to melt steel in his backyard with fire? What happened to not wanting to violate the laws of physics? You can literally believe anything you want if you simply dismiss any evidence you dislike as not being 100% proven because "anything can be faked." Thats the kind of subjective reality you need to be a conspiracy theorist.

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 did you watch what i posted? conspiracies happen all the time - don't be brainwashed

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Yes, i watched what you posted. I've seen it many times before. It shows the complete and total lack of understand of physics (or simple dishonesty) of CT's. Aluminum becomes liquid at 1200f. At that temp it pours silver. It glows around 1800f. Office fire temps reach 2000f. Just because it CAN flow silver doesn't mean it MUST flow silver. This is basic logic 101. The videos I linked show it flowing orange at normal fire temps.

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 You need to ask yourself why you're believing a guy who's making $millions by promoting this theory even after he shows such obviously misleading videos. He heats it until it melts (1200f) and then pours it and thinks the results prove what would happen if it were heated to 2000f (Office fire).

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 2000f is an office fire? lol - you're demented pal - give proof of that - the fire that is - not your insanity 

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Office fires reach 2048f after only 40 minutes - wwwDOTmaceDOTmanchesterDOTacDO­Tuk/project/research/structure­s/strucfire/Design/performance­/fireModelling/nominalFireCurv­es/defaultDOThtm - youtube adds some invisible formatting to that link so after you paste it into a browser and press enter and get the error 404 remove every "%C2%AD" from the address bar and press enter again.

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Also see enDOTwikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Flam­e and wwwDOTdoctorfireDOTcom/flametm­pDOThtml and if fires don't reach that temp then why is fire proofing rated as a measurement of time = the time it can be exposed to fire before the steel underneath reaches 1100c.

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Cars? Yes, it's called an analogy. I know analogies always fry CT minds. There is something about the CT mental illness that prevents you guys from ever understanding how an analogy works.

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 lol - only idiots like you think that cts never happen - a diffuse fire can only reach 1000c max

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 You know 2000f is less than 1100c right? As the evidence I linked below clearly shows(with math) an enclosed(indoor) hydrocarbon fire(office fire) maintains around 1100c with max temps reaching 1260c. But even your own claim of 1000c is is 1832f which is above the point at which aluminum glows. You just admitted the fire burned hot enough to make aluminum glow. Time to rethink your idea of physics so that it can continue supporting your delusion.

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 And only CT's think that your two options are either "911 was a conspiracy" or "No conspiracy has ever been true." Strawman arguments like that are the bread and butter of CT debate.

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 watch?v=565bFybx0zk - that's what aluminum looks like molten - what evidence do you have to prove that the wtc fires were hot enough to make aluminum glow orange and molten ? And why would it wait to glow orange before becoming molten and flow out of the tower? Why would it wait and not flow out when it became molten? Do tell - and your ct option nonsense is nonsense - make some sense

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Go to 2:04 of this video watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w to see that the outer columns were bowing which means the floors above them sagging. This is just before collapse, at the same time the metal was coming out. It came out at that time because the floors sagged and liquid flows down hill. Prove the fires were hot enough to make aluminum glow orange? Office fires burn up to 1200c(see my links below for proof) and aluminum glows at 1100c (See link below for video).

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 which link do you have that a diffuse fire - an office fire- can burn hotter than 1000c - and what proof do you have that the wtc fire was this hot ? let's hear it - watch?v=HofARNpDcL0 - flir footage on the day shows just over 100c - what proof do you have? or will you ignore this?

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Also enDOTwikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Flam­e and wwwDOTdoctorfireDOTcom/flametm­pDOThtml

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Believing that that infrared camera proves the fire was only 100c demonstrates that you have no idea wtf you are talking about. 100c is below the combustion point of fire. The flame of a candle burns at 1100c. It is clear that all of your beliefs about physics were formed around your belief that there was a conspiracy, rather than the other way around. I'm wasting my time.

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 is flir fake then? or do you not like the result? sucks doesn't it - a candle burns at 1100c - can a candle melt aluminum? you're hilarious - post a video of a candle melting aluminum - i won't hold my breath numbnuts

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person Should Know... (Updated, Revised and Extended) By Jonathan Elinoff, New World Order Report - try reading that and getting a clue about conspiracies - they happen all the time - and the official story of 9/11 is a conspiracy - that a conspiracy of 19 arabs attacked the best defense in the world and hit 75% of targets in planes - and the pentagon was hit with 40 minutes warning at least - learn the definition

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 Every argument you make is a classical logical fallacy. You really need to review this page carefully - wwwDOTlogicalfallaciesDOTinfo/ When you put words in your opponents mouth and then argue against that p.o.v. thats called a strawman argument. When you argue that "everyone" believes something so it must be true that is an appeal to popularity. Insinuating that either all CT's are true or all CT's are false is a false dilemma. 

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 an idiot's standpoint- yours- occurs when you misinterpret data , believe all you're told by liars - and think that conspiracies are only believed by conspiracy theorists , whom you think are crazy to do so. And you neglected to answer any of my points - watch?v=565bFybx0zk which is another classic of you official conspiracy believing boneheads, and made shit up "When you argue that "everyone" believes something so it must be true that is an appeal to popularity.etc" I said not

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 The only point you've made so far is that fire burns at less than 200f. I want my school district taxes back. You have all of my links regarding the temperature at which different fuels burn. You have the math in front of you. You can believe it or you can believe what the people making millions of dollars off of CT dvd's want you to believe. 911 "truth" is a multi million $ market. Don't let them do your thinking for you. You're smarter than that.

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 the flir info is from the day - what proof of you of the temp of any fire on the day? Edna Cintron stood in the whole the plane made - what fire burned her? Others walked down past the flames - watch 'Zero' for that info - the money is being made by those who perpetrated 9/11 - and money and power were the motive - trillions have been made - and speak of 9/11 truth being a market? Don't make me sick - war is profit - for the warmongers - you're an idiot - try thinking

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 i suspect though that like many CTs before you, you're wanting proof that the fire in teh WTC burned as hot as normal fire. As if we should assume it was an unusually cold fire because thats what we need to assume for their to be a conspiracy. Can you prove that the fire wasn't at normal office fire temps of 1100c?

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 On the University of Manchester link you'll have to remove the hidden formatting that youtube adds to it. Just paste it into your navigation bar. Press enter.  Then remove the %blah%AD that appears within the address. Then press enter again and it'll take you there. Be sure to note where it says that office fires are hydrocarbon fires and hydrocarbon fires reach 1120c in 40 minutes.

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 when a video says aluminum and it isn't silvery when molten  I'm inclined to want to know more - idiots like you believe what you want to believe

[DRAT311]

@mooners40 I believe what I see in multiple videos. There are multiple videos of orange aluminum. You discard all of them and choose to believe what someone trying to sell you something says. You look at a video of silver aluminum and believe that is proof that it can't become orange at higher temps. Is that logical? If you find a video of a car going 100mph is that proof that cars can't go 150mph? And would you then disbelieve all the videos of cars going 150mph based on that one?

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 cars?? you nuts crack me up - but 9/11 is a serious issue - get a clue

[mooners40]

@DRAT311 what proof do you have that it is aluminum?watch?v=cxFXFkN6FaI

[panzuman]

did you make your crucable? if so how or at least what materials?

[cranelift]

@panzuman picked up 5 of these crucibles on ebay cheap. They are a graphite product and seem to be very tough. Still on the first one with a couple dozen melts completed.

[panzuman]

@cranelift ive actually found a suitable cruible its an iron one its made from an old torch so its really easy to come by but i do need to in vest because i plan on mkaing an induction furnace so i can melt down metals from a catalytic converter those metals are platinum palladium so they take super high temps

[soylentgreenb]

A small unglazed terracottta flower pot should do just fine for aluminium.

Obviously you don't want the kind with a hole in the bottom.

And a word of caution. Real crucibles are made of refractory materials; clay pots are brittle even at room temperature. If you're serious get real stuff, if you just want to play a little the flower pot should be fine, just be careful.

[Hairysteed]

What do you do with the ingots?

[jimmybobson123]

sell em mabey?? im sure people would buy stuff like that

[Hairysteed]

Yeah, I suppose you could sell it as scrap metal

[WoWbob396]

sell, that is what i would do

[Hairysteed]

The question is: is metal worth more in ingots?

[cranelift]

By making ingots, the alum. comes out cleaner(removers most of the oxidation and slag) so when poured into molds the results are much better. I make small parts and plaques etc.

[marcheseDS]

@cranelift Do you use any deoxidising agent during fusion to clean up the aluminium?

[Skeptic121]

If you lower the background light you can see the aluminum glow. For best results turn off all the lights and pour it. It will glow just fine. Ambient light reflects off the aluminum and overwhelms the glow. Aluminum DOES glow, but it is hard to see the glow if you have enough light to see the background.

[Mystylplx]

Note: If you're referring to the whole 911 thing, that aluminum also turned silvery quickly as the droplets fell. That's how you can tell it wasn't steel. Steel wouldn't cool down as quick and would turn black when it cooled instead of silvery.

[Weirdo10o4]

Lrn2google.

"Aluminum glow chart"

870-1200 celsius.

[treehuger47]

Why is everyone melting aluminum?

Its worth what like 30 cents a pound

[GrubFlyer]

Cus it's fricking fun!

[dundermiflinpaper]

cause its an easily meltable metal for castings and projects. and the fact that its lightweight and doesnt rust is a plus.

[JIMex2010]

awesome!

i wanna try that

[REDNEK1342]

what tipe of metal is the cup you used to poor it ?

[cranelift]

It's a graphite/clay crucible

[dieyoubastards]

BULLSHIT! Anyone can easily tell the aluminum is silver and reflecting the red container.

Unbelievable-look this experiment can be replicated- you can't fake science asshole!

[streakingcameraman]

No, it's science. The aluminum is red hot when it is poured. As soon as it begins to cool down it turns silvery. Look up the characteristics of aluminum. It's all there, as you would say, you can't argue science.

[gtg309v]

It didn't "turn silvery". It was silvery the whole time. You are simply seeing an orange/yellow reflection off of the aluminum coming from the orange/yellow container (made of iron probably). Without the reflection, you just see the silvery color... You can even see the orange reflection move with the movement of the container.

[CACBCCCU]

"RED HOT"

You need yellow-orange, but red is close enough for nazis.

[CACBCCCU]

"*Aluminum* GLOWING RED HOT!!!!"

Now make a big bucket-full of glowing yellow-orange aluminum and let us know how long it took to hear it up.

[mike4ty4]

Did you see that, 911 "truthers"? *Aluminum* GLOWING RED HOT!!!!