@blutowpi, disclaimer here. Some of your facts do have truth but some just plain stupid. I have done tons of research on the LDS faith and Church because I want to find any loop hole I can. To this point I have found none. Some of our claims are just claims made from mis conceptions. Read the Book Of Mormon and ask God the questions. It's obvious he is the only one that you will believe.
@blutowpi, was Joseph Smith the editor of Times and Season at that time. Is putting words into a Prophets mouth count as a Prophets words? I would check your facts again. Prophets are men. I agree that BY did take part in the COVER UP but that had more to do with the threat of California and the Us Army. It's been said that if the Civil War had not happened the US Army would have ended mormonism. Especially after the massacre. But d this is opinion from scholars. Why don't you do the research f
@blutowpi, again your quotes are factual statements made by leaders on the LDS church but they are considered OPINION. They are not Official Church Doctrine. It never will change with you guys. Same cards same hand....
I dont blame Mormons for running away from what the "prophets said in the past. I would never follow an organization that claims to be true but its entire foundation is so riddled by flim flam men who claimed to speak for God. Blacks cursed forever. Inter racial couples killed. Men on the moon and sun. Polygamy required for salvation. God having sex with the virgin Mary. Jews coming to America. Gold disappearing plates in deformed egyptian. Magic underwear. Magic spectacles. Men becoming gods.
Have you Mormons been to the temple in Independence Mo. ? I doubt it because its another false prophesy of the one true churchs prophet. we can say we built this temple for as the Lord lives we will build up Jackson county in this generation, (cries of amen,) and we will be far better off with regard to temporal things, when we have done, than ever we were before. - Times and Seasons 6:956 (April 6, 1845) As the Lord lives??? Mormongod never existed . Hes as much god as a cow in India
What happen was a tragedy and murder but you can't condemn the Mormon religion or it's people for bad choices made by others who happened to be Mormons. It's like saying that all Muslims are bad because of the few Muslims who carried out the 911 attacks.
@Jz81650 We agree. I dont blame the Mormon people. I blame the false prophets they worship with pictures on their walls and the system of religion that replaces a personal relationship with the creator of the Universe. Jesus Christ. The Muslims follow their leaders too as Brighams followers did when he ordered the murder at Mtn Meadows. Both systems follow a man who claims to be a prophet and lies about what God supposedly told them. I pity Mormons and Muslims who are so blinded by wolves
@Jz81650 Hear the word of god thru Brigham your beloved "prophet"
In the days of Joseph it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones. - JoD 4:40 (Aug 31, 1856)
Its 2012 and Mormon elders are still not thought of as kings. Just bike pedaling folks pushing a counterfeit god , jesus who is the devils brother and a false gospel
@IExposeMormonism, you continue to bring up the Martial Law Declaration without saying why it was issued. Brigham Young was preparing for the Utah war and felt that the US Army was coming to Utah to finish off Mormonism once and for all. This being based on what California newspapers where saying about Mormons in Utah.Young was preparing the people for a standoff. You obviously use partial statements to make a so called point. As a Mormon I'm used to this from anti mormonism. Most of the time y
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. - JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863) Notice this is from God according to the liar B Young. I would strike his racist name from the BYU campus. He lied about what God said then. You cannot trust a word he ever uttered. He lied about men becoming gods too
Any "prophet " who said that a white person who marries a negro should be killed according to mormongod would not hesitate to slay a group of folks in a wagon train if he thought it could be a threat to his power in the area. Brigham was a liar and a murderer and no prophet of God. Mormongod is a creation of Joe Smith and Briggy and the band of so called prophets elected ever since. Mormons need to repent and come to the God of creation who died for their sins and loves them. Morgod is imaginary
@blutowpi As the Mob before, you offer no facts, just accusations. There is no evidence that Brigham Young ordered any attack on that wagon train no matter how much you howl.
The isolation of the Mormon communities (before telegraph) incomplete news of the approaching U.S. Army, fear of non-Mormons, and other factors lead to paranoia on the part of the Mountain Meadows com
The leaders sent a rider to Brigham Young to ask what to do in Salt Lake. James Haslam, the rider, left on Sept. 7, a 300-mile journey. Young's return message, "In regard to the emigration trains passing through our settlements, we must not interfere with them until they are first notified to keep away. You must not meddle with them. The Indians we expect will do as they please but you should try and preserve good feelings with them." two days after the massacre, on September 13, 1857.
It's doubtful 2 Missouri folk were in the train. The Dukes train, behind them, were Missourians. The Train Never "lashed out" or did anything to the Mormons. This is nonsense and DM Quinn should know better. The onus for such false accusations against these people falls on the Mormons making the accusations. It was the Mormons who destroyed all the evidence, robbed the emigrants, sold their property at auction and Mormons who kidnapped the children. It was Mormons who destroyed Mormon diaries
@scottwins2 "Proof"? It's staring you right in the face with this video and others which are more objective that this purely propaganda piece. At least own up to your history and be a honorable person instead of being a shameless coward like the ones who murdered the innocent women and children at Mtn. Meadow.
@wovokanarchy John D. Lee was not authorized by Brigham Young or the Apostles to attack these people. You accuse with mob fervor yet provide no facts that the church at large was invovled in this attack. None, nor can you chow it nor will you since it does not exist. As for me being a coward? You don't know me so don't be ignorant.
@scottwins2 You accuse me of being ''ignorant'' but you apologize for a massive crime committed by the Mormon Church through the direct orders of BY. Why would BY send a report to the Dept.of Ndn Affairs blaming the Indians for the massacre and trying to cover up the crime? In modern day criminal investigations such behaviour would most definitely hold up in a court of law as to the guilt of B Young's culpability to this mass murder at the hands of Mormons. Religious fanatics like you fail to un
@scottwins2 And your basing on your defense of mass murder on what? Religious fundamentalism, a video based on lies, a racist institution like the Mormon Church? How can you defend mass murder of Americans? You might as well defend the mass murder of the victims in New York by extreme Muslims on 9-11.Your extreme religious fundamentalism are from the same source.
@wovokanarchy You can squeal like a stuck pig all you want. There is no evidence that Brigham Young gave any order to attack that wagon train. Instead of offering facts you are stuck in your on biggotry of Mormons.
@scottwins2 There is no evidence Osama Bin Ladin planned the attack also but he created the environment for 9-11 to occur. Jim Jones didn't personally force to drink the cool-aid but he created the environment for it to occur. B Young may not have given the direct order but he created the environment for the masscre to occur. Keep defending the racist Mormon church Scott and also the mass killing of American women and children. At least we now know where your moral compass is on mass murder.
@wovokanarchy If you say it enough you think people will believe you what my moral compass is? I think the whole thing is sad, very sad. But you changing the topic awyay from Brigham Young does not make him guilty. You have no facts and no proof. Just your bias, biggotry on the matter. We have a copy of the letter he sent telling the Saints to not do anything, you have nothing. this is my last note on the matter. So go have your last say and accuse and accuse with no facts.
Brigham Young, Blood Atonement Sermon: Journal of Discourses Vol. 3, p. 243-249 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands".
I wanted to say thank you. I'm a Mormon this is the first accurate account of what happened I have seen by non Mormons. It is true the Mormons did an unbelievable evil that day. However it is also true that Brigham Young's only wrong if you feel this was a wrong was that he told Mormons not to sell supplies to non Mormons. John D. Lee obviously had a bone to pick with Young because he disagreed with him it is just like comments Joseph Smith's enemies made about him they were slanderous lies.
the monster killer "prophet" brigham young" was an occultic killer like the muslims muhammed..they attacked anyone who entered the state and usualy killed them,then they call themselves "chritsians"...all dead mormons now reside in Hell where they will be forever and ever....sorry folks,dont call mormons christians and give true christians a bad name..mormons are of the occult and think theyre going to get their own planet full of vigins when they die...lmao!!..repent,mormonmaniacles,
Please research this for yourself! No LDS spin. The reason for this was that like all religious looneys, the mormons did not consider any non-mormons human and so had no qualms about slaughtering them. The mormon belief in "blood atonement" has led to MANY situations like this and will again. Make no mistake, the only reason any mormon cares about you is as a potential convert. Nothing else. Just like all religious nuts.
@curtisgoat Do I care about you as a convert? Not particulary no, because I know that it's unlikely that you'll covert. Do I care about you as a fellow human being? Yes. Therefore your distorted view of Mormons are false.
What do you call it If, with one hand, Im spoon feeding a satisfied child that obeys me, and with the other hand choking a starving child that disobeys me?
It is important to realize that this was NOT an isolated incident!! This was a bad one that they got caught for! Mormon TERRORISM against wagon trains was standard procedure for decades!
this is moron propaganda to make the morons innocent of the event
lie #1 the Mormons felt threatened that these immigrants were going to harm them.
lie #2 the Mormons were driven out of the east into Utah. the Mormons were the ones that caused trouble, they left for Utah to start a cult, because cults need isolation to grow
lie #3 Brigham young was trying to stop it with a last minute message was nothing more than PR damage control when the story reached the press
@majinish And do tell, why would a holy Mormon need a message to NOT attack 90 women and little kids and some men? Brigham controlled Utah and all the Mormons with an iron fist. You got married with his permission. He sent G.A. Smith just in front of the train and he spewed hatred against them even though he was days IN FRONT of them. And there were 2 Martial Law Declarations, the Aug 5 one was Never communicated to the train by any Mormon in the 6 weeks it was in effect
@IExposeMormonism @"Brigham controlled Utah and all the Mormons with an iron fist." What makes you think that, September Dawn? lol Please. That movie is highly inaccurate.
@majinish Everything I typed is accurate. Anyone studying Mormonism, Mormon or not, knows B.Y. controlled Ut. The mail service was a spy network. . He had 2 MLD published, 8-5 and 9-15. He "gave all the cattle on the road" to the Indians (D Huntington). There is no shortage of testimonies of his authority over peoples personal lives. If you want to believe he knew zip of the attack prior to it, go ahead, your Mormon. But to believe he wasn't accessory after the fact is absurd & easily disproved
@majinish Using smurf Mormon logic works for you. Poor Briggy, he kept such control over his saints and then this one little incident. I wonder what Dimick Huntington meant in his diary by quoting Briggy "Give all the cattle on the road to the Indians." I doubt if the owners of the cattle agreed with the living dead Mormon profit.
@IExposeMormonism " '"Give all the cattle on the road to the Indians.' " When Brigham spoke of cattle here he meant cattle, as in cows. How is that hard to get? The cattle wasn't a bribe like you're claiming. Yes, I'm aware of the allegation. Brigham asked that the Indian chiefs scatter the cow on the trail to close it off. Brigham, a true prophet of God, had nothing to do with the massacre. Many people, such as you, completely distort the history of the church.
@majinish This distortion of history is done by the Mormons themselves. Just as you have done here. Briggy "gave all the cattle" to the Indians. And the implication is obvious to anyone except a smurfy Mormon. Just as you falsely accuse the Indians of Mormon crimes. Just as you dress as Indians and murder and accuse them of your crimes Just as you deny polygamy and practice Just as you deny the contents of the obscene Mormon endowment ceremony There is no end to Mormon denials and little truth
@IExposeMormonism We don't distort the truth. You critics of Jesus Christ's church do that. I gave a fact. Why do even say "just as you" as if ALL of the Mormons, including us of today, had a hand in the massacre? Don't generalize all of us because of a small group over 100 years ago. Do you completely ignore the persecutions the early saints went through? Yes. The church has never denied plural marriage, something that has been done away with.
@IExposeMormonism You talk about denial and you desperately try to say Brigham was behind the massacre when you know full well he wasn't behind it. Again, the cattle was used to stop the army or to at least slow them down. You're blinded by what you've been told by others. You don't care to learn anything. Not about the church, not about facts, not about truth.
@majinish "The cattle were used to slow down the Army" how was that?By the carcases on the road?The MMM was north of St George. The Army was at Ft Bridger, 500 miles apart. The cattle were, however, Branded with the Mormon Church brand. Do U know what it was? A Christian cross. And do U know what happened to those cattle? over 250 of them were sold to the army you just referred to. Now, wake up and flee Mormonism. I am not "told by others" I tell others. Like where the Massacre Really took place
@majinish The video tells us On Aug 5th Martial Law was declared. No one anywhere told them.G.A. Smith was sent in front spewing lies about them. Many Mormons traveled with them,Mormon spies and just some Mormons who happened along. No says anything bad about them when traveling with them.Nor do others that knew them along the route. We know 55 Mormons under the Endowment Oaths did everything I said above, blamed the Indians, stole the goods,stored them in the Tithing office, sold it at profited
@IExposeMormonism @"The video tells us" September Dawn is pretty much crap that doesn't tell anything about the real history of the Mountain Meadow Massacre.
@"We know 55 Mormons under the Endowment Oaths did everything I said above, blamed the Indians, stole the goods,stored them in the Tithing office, sold it at profited"
Ok, and? I know that some early Mormons did this. At the same time it doesn't characterize the church.
@majinish Yes it does. Endowment Ceremony is where men sell their souls and manhood to the Hierarchy. And placing stuff in the Tithing house has implications. And auctioning it off for grain. Everyone knew what it was. And covering it up involves many hundreds of people. And then there are the numerous prayer circles held to get Mormon gods permission to do the deed. This video isn't September Dawn, it's another movie/documentary. And having Martial Law and not telling people isn't very nice.
@majinish What they did was part and parcel of an agenda that began Prior to G.A.Smith leaving SLC at B.Y. "counsel" and G.S. spewed lies In Front of the train. The Mormons, carefully crafted the event, held numerous prayer circles, falsely accused others (Indians and the train), covered up the crime, denied and colluded together to profit from the crime, kidnapped children and billed the USA for the event. B.Y. Clearly, at min,' knew after the fact,A crime. D.Huntington's diary shows his intent
@godscuttingyoudown John D Lee also said that Bungham Young had given the order to kill the wagon train. So much for the propaganda piece I just watched. These mormon prophets fail every test the bible puts forth to test the prophets whether they be from God. God knew there would be many false prophets so he gave us a way to test the "prophet". Not feeling a warm fuzzy feeling in our tummys. Jalapenos will do that. How lazy to trust your soul to feelings rather than truth found in the bible
@blutowpi "Lee's claim that George A. Smith met Lee in southern Utah on 1 September with orders of destruction was impossible, Smith was in Salt Lake on that very day. ...which we can verify...
@godscuttingyoudown Yeah, the mormons actually used the indians to do it and they tried to make it look like it was solely the fault of indians but when the caravan noticed that white men were leading the indians they proceeded to kill all witnesses.
@godscuttingyoudown The Mormons were forced to leave Missouri, and then Nauvoo. The Mormons were denied religious freedom in a land of religious freedom, a travesty if I've ever seen one. Critics like you often cite Mountain Meadows, but fail to recognize all the other terrible and unprovoked acts against the Saints, and you say the Mormons caused trouble?
Is this Mormon propaganda? I heard that the story about the settlers returning from California was bullshit made up by the Mormons in order to get the settlers attacked and to get the Natives to join in.
@suki603 Mormons aren't evil. Brigham Young was evil, but not all of them are, that's just stereotyping. I think mormons are stupid, because they believe in ridiculous things, but not evil. If you are christian (or believe in any religion, really) then you have no right to be criticizing mormons. The public is desensitized towards people believing in a god or gods, but not so much towards mormon beliefs. All in all, religious people are not evil, just misguided.
@ImmaDwarfKicker ur totally correct ,misguided would b the appropriate word. i believe that the attitude of defense that most mormons show when they encounter a discussion with a bible only christian believer makes this same christian intolerable (at times, and some christians not even a mayority) having his arguments no effect and that is just naturally frustrating to some. i say let them be, but waste no time in presenting the bible truth in firmness & kindness, and if taken good if not,well.
The ONLY reason Fat Boy Haslam was sent to SLC was because Laban Morril and other Milk sucking Mormons had the Moral temerity to suggest it wrong to systematically murder all these people. When Laban left the meeting that night he had been proceeded by Stewart and McFarland, 2 major murderers at MMM. (The stories!!) Laban saw these two and didn't go home. And he didn't sleep in his home for MONTHS after this meeting. BECAUSE he had dared to suggest not murdering the train. Haslam is a RUSE
Minute 1:45, "Don't trade, we need the food.." PROVES Mormon Diaries Fabrications: Jesse N Smith and others diaries say "DO sell them food but not for fodder" So, Which way is it?? ALSO, This video says "Under the ML Decree's, (Plural) of Briggy. And: "They INSISTED on taking the Southern route". Fancher had crossed here Twice, he was going to VISALIA, N of Bakersfield. There was NO reason to travel west. If Rich did "council" them west, so what?, It was Much shorter and familiar to go south
FIRST:: This documentary ADMITS the Aug15th Martial Law Declaration. Mormons try and use BOTH MLD. Can you believe it!? Yet they get away with this violent 2X MLD nonsense! If the train did so enter Utah, why were they NEVER told ML existed?? Why is the 9-15 MLD used so often?? I POSTED MANY MLD videos on this subject and Welcome conversation. The MLD is critical to the MMM. In Aug' G A Smith and Hamblin Camped Next to them and said NOTHING. Why didn't they say "hey, why you being so mean"?
Wrong... in the last 25 years, every effort has been made to wipe out the Missouri Wildcats memory. It's just plain brainwashing is all. Wash the story so you can hate someone 160 years ago. You Indian Killers!
If you haven't heard of the Missouri Wildcats, then you haven't read Jaunita Brooks eye witness account of the Mtn Meadows Massacre. You are re-writing your own version of an event that happened 150 years ago, picking and choosing what you want to believe. These three men, Dudley Leavitt, Jacob Hamblin and John D. Lee, kept daily journals. What kind of outlaw does such a thing? Can you name me 3 others, or even 1? Fact is, they were productive educated people with families, unlike the Wildcats.
@dons123111 Almost all the Mormons kept so called diaries. Those so called journals are nothing but fiction written intentionally for their personal advantage. They are often altered by the writers, redacted, stolen by the Hierarchy.. Get the Jenson interviews, recently published. They show the duplicity over time The Missouri Wildcats are pure fiction, created by Mormons to promote the lie that created the MMM. The entire time line around the MMM was carefully concealed by the perpetrators. .
@IExposeMormonism Diaries and Journals are typically kept by responsible people, regardless of religion, not by mean, angry men such as yourself. When Juanita Brooks was writing about the MMM, she was blacklisted by the Mormon Church. She was educated at Columbia University and documents the Missouri Wildcatsand the account is documented at the Library of Congress. She said Brigham Young used incendiary rhetoric provoking the attack, and was an accesory after the fact and that he was paranoid.
Missouri Wildcats is a Mormon word. If you find a reference outside of Mormonism Before this event let me know. Journals are easy to manufacture for the occasion. Their content is interesting for what they leave out as much as the put in, often provably false. recently the interviews the Hierarchy ordered in c.1892 were published. (Brooks wanted those papers) The interviewers suffered from lack of sleep. not because of the mean Arkies, because of the truth, at odds with Mormon diaries and words.
@IExposeMormonism You refuse to acknowledge the probabilities and are willing to except the possibilties. Your logic is two birds in the bush is worth more then one in the pot. It's exactly the opposite of logical empirical evidence presented. I'm going to side with the Library of Congress over your possible conspiracies, I will side with the fact that responsible civilzed people keep journals, and not criminals. The Journals were kept way before MMM, and where are the Fancher Journals?
WHERE ARE THE FANCHER JOURNALS?? In the hands of their Murderers. These facts are well attested to. John D Lee supposedly destroyed one. Others that attempted to escape camp were over run and murdered. We know no one escaped! The question is, are even these stories of escape/Messages true or more Mormon stories to flesh out a huge piece of mythogogery to promote an agenda. People do this, not just Mormons. The MMM Is replete with concealment and lies. I say ALL Mormon testimony must be Provable
@IExposeMormonism Guilty until proven innocent is your final decision. Napoleanic Laws. It's no wonder Mormons don't like you. Be fair and just, or be just another Wildcat murdering and plundering. I would sleep well also after I took out the persons who were murdering my friends. Maybe it's because the Fanchers and Wildcats were white and the Indians were not is why your unfairness get's so enraged. It's always a massacre when Indians kill but a battle when the white man does it. MMDisaster
@dons123111 No, it is precisely that which caused the MMM. These people had nothing to do with Missouri. Nothing. And in all probability no one from Ms was present. And None of the 100 women and children were perps. All the Mormons at MMM were under their endowment oaths, a requirement for the deed. Wildcats is pure Mormonese, so have at it, mythogoger. How do you justify murdering kids/women, kidnapping, blaming it all on Indians and say "we're innocent"
@dons123111 You told Iexposemormonism that mormons dont like him, me personally could give a rats ass if a satanic cult like mormonism didnt like me so.......
@Theeagerburger are you smoking crack? expose doesn't like Mormons, he's probably been excomunicated or he siwfe left him for a Mormon bishop or something, and you woudn't know satan if he bit you in the ass
@Theeagerburger do you know what happened to theeagerurger? And This ritual mass murder had nothing to do with those that killed Joe. These people are from Arkansas, not Missouri. They had no relation to Pratt. And It is doubtful they said "We are coming back". ALL of the Mormon stories are lies to cover this crime against mankind.People came from Missouri and managed to not suffer this. And Missing Mormon Documents that prove a claim, are Mormonism Par Excellence,right, down to the BofM
@IExposeMormonism The real theeager person went to jail from what I heard for writing bad checks, dont quote me on it just going by what I heard from the grapevine a while ago
@Theeagerburger wowie. I saw his account was suspended. He said he made $100K a year. But that doesn't go far in the SF Bay Area, where he was, around Mountain View, I think.
@IExposeMormonism The interviewers sufferede from lack of sleep not because of the mean Arkies, because of the truth at odds with the mormon diaries??? Do you even know how illogical unsensical this sounds? It doesn't make any sense if you are rational. You would have to somehow close your mind, and use some hateful feelings to see any substance in this sentence. Lack of sleep? LOL what a lame ass excuse..poor baby didn't get his rest..whaaah
The interviewers suffered because the Mass Murdering Maniacs continued to lie and reinforce each other in ways that were and are provably false. Not because of the mean Arkies actions. The train did nothing. No chicken snapping, nothing. No "We killed Joe". McFarland was a psychoholic and his words are meaningless for truth. McMurdy, all of them just write down and say what needs to be said. John D Lee said he slept well after the MMM. Odd the truths he confesses as he seeks to vindicate himself
What’s even more disgusting is that the Mormons bought the land as an attempt to monopolize the situation and control the damage. There is no mystery behind the massacre at Mountain Meadows! Brigham Young had been teaching the “Blood Atonement” (research) for about 4 or 5 years prior to September, 11th 1857. No doubt they thought the massacre was justified; they were sending everybody to heaven! Can you say “cult”? Mormonism is finished.
It's funny. The Mormons claimed the Indians were a cursed race to be eventually exterminated,and yet they teamed up with the Indians to commit this atrocity. Even Moroni must have been scratching his head over the whole thing.
@Rusfi16 You really got that one mixed up. Converted Indians were not as cursed as unbaptized gentiles were. There is such thing as Mormons wanting to exterminate the Indians. You are making that up. The US Government was exterminating Indians and Mormons were saving them from that destruction. That's why the Indians joined the Mormons against the US.
It remains the west most tragic episode? Oh please, make me vomit. The Indians in this country were being exterminated and massacred when this reverse massacre took place. The Mormons had sent missionaries to Indian villages for 25 years encouragring them to join their church, while the US Govt was handing out blankets to Indians with small pox on them. The Mormons had arrived in Utah and signed a peace treaty with the locals, and never once set about to exterminate them, but rather taught
Mormons are not nazis. They do not believe in genicide nor in a superior arian race... just to name a few. In fact they have nothing in common with Nazi beliefs.
Read the book "The Mountain Meadow Massacre," it tells what really occurred. It was written by three historians who show the actual journal writings, paper trails, and other historical documents surrounding this tragic story.
I implore those who see this video to understand this was a time of war. A time when the mormon men women and children themselves had been massacred and chased from their homes many times over. There are many sides to this tragic time.
@01jerm10 justify Mountain Meadows massacre? How does the US justify any war other then the Revolutionary war? The war against the Mormons was just another little dirty war like all the others. You want to tell me how Yankees justifed the slaughter of Confederate women and children? How entire nation used tariffs to punish it's own citizens?
@dons123111 So your justification of the massacre is by comparing it to other tragedies? That is an argument I would expect from a child. "They did it so we can also". Lets try and keep on topic. We are not talking about all the other crap that has happened in the world. My question is simple, "You are seriously trying yo justify this?"
@dons123111 The settlers were not a part of the US government or army, they were innocent bystanders caught in the middle, trying to emmigrate to the West. First, mormons believe a convicted con man and hustler, joseph smith, about a "new testament" of the bible (when the bible clearly states no additons to the bible are legitimate (and that was preking james) , then you massacre innocent people because "god told you to", and don't get me started on your modern lie games. You're all evil.
@TheGreenPlague They were not innocent bystanders, they were murdering Indians, who were allied with the Mormons. They could have taken other routes, but chose unwisely to leave late in the season, and those bad choices also plagued them when they allied themselves with the desperados know as the Missouri Wildcats who had murdered mormon women and children at Hans Mill. You think Abraham Lincoln was not a hustler when he forced big government on America, then you are dreaming.
@dons123111 You're a fucking retard. You keep talking about alliances and shit, this is life, IT'S SURVIVAL you arrogant nut job. Those people didn't give a damn about Lincoln or the states, or anything. You're spitting LIES and untruths. These settlers simply wanted passage to the west, when the INDIANS attacked, they fought back with guns and whooped their ass, when the gangs threatened them, they "allied" and earned passage for a toll they paid. The mormons killed women and children, u liar
@TheGreenPlague you can't debate, because of your ignorance and illiteracy on the topic, your name calling proves it. Just hang it up and move on, before you split a vein in your brain.
@dons123111 lol, you're the one name calling, and you're obviously the one who can't let it go. Sad really, look at all your comments. The level of denial is fascinating.
@dons123111 The Wagon train had women and children with it, it was from Arkansas. The US Army was a different group. But this mind set well explains how these innocents were killed. And don't confuse or use other immoral acts as an excuse or rationale. And what Mormonism does and did to its sheeple to milk money from it is what the US Fed learned from the M Hierarchy to use against its sheeple. Mormonism is years ahead of the Fed on Milking the minions.
@IExposeMormonism The Mormons saved the women and children, unlike what happened at Hans Mill Massacre, where mormon children were thrown into a well, and therefore they drew firstblood. But your mindset continues to only allow for hate of mormons in it. The Feds were milking the US citizens even before the Civil War, all you have to do is listen to the words of Davy Crocket to find the truth. "You can all (US Congress) go to hell and I will go to Texas!"
@dons123111 Where to start with you...Maine had as much to do with Hans Mill as Arkansas. Or are you using it as an excuse to blame every one not Mormon for Hans Mill and every Non M' is worthy of death? Why not blame them for Parley at least that happened in Ark? Why are non-participants of crimes worthy of Mormon Murders? If Hans is wrong, why kill children over 8? If you're getting even, and that's what your logic says, why do you murder so many other children over 8? More to follow
@IExposeMormonism Maine? LOL..if you are coming from Missouri in 1857, and from the Hans Mill Area, you are not exactly from Maine...ok? You have a situation where the Missouri Wildcats have a reputation for trouble, and yet you allign yourself with trouble. That's as good as hanging out withe Crypts and Bloods today thinking you won't get harmed by drive by shooters. You weren't there, you sit in judgement 150 years later condenming one side and not questiong the other.
@dons123111 Interesting you would compare Mormonism to Crypts and Bloods. Nice. The People of Arkansas had no more to do with Hans Mill than Maine. Point. Game. You guys generalize guilt, death on basis of state citizenship! This wasn't a state conspiracy and attack. And you need to take care of it with the responsible parties. By the way, who came after the Mormons after the MMM? If they were coming before, why not invade after such a brutal unjust mass murder?
@IExposeMormonism Interesting that you can't read the context of a sentence. Your Missouri Wildcats are crypts..you shouldn't have joined up with them, gangs like them are not healthy for anyone, and you were irresponsible to have those Indian Murderers next to your children, using your children as shields like a typical coward,, or are you one of the those Bloods who uses children as a cover as a way to justify your murdering of Indians? Your crime is putting children in harms way.
@dons, You're loosing it. You have no right to place me in the context of 1857 nor compare them to Hispanic cholo's, nor suggest they murdered Indians. Including Corn Ck. Your accusations of using children in such a way, when it was MORMONS that murdered little children 8yrs and up is beyond pale. It was 55+ MORMONS promising safe passage and murdering them. How do you justify placing the blame of the death of children on the victims. Mormons separated these people TO murder them. wake up
I cant understand the people like always looking at the past... and why are you hated LDS? are you there when the time it is happen? do you know the exact reason why its happen? I wish you can open your eyes and your heart....
@IExposeMormonism Plenty of immigrant trains passed thru Utah wihtout being harmed, other wise the Fanchers wouldn't have gone that route. Anti-Mormons continue to deny that the Missouri Wilcats were real, and the documents that are in US History hands say otherwise. The History says they murdered Indians, with the Fancher Train, and yet you continue to call documented history on US Archives a fabrication. According to your logic then any history you make up is real, and others fabricate it.
@dons1 The "Missouri Wild Cats' Was first used by a MORMON near Provo. The Word "Meri-Cats" and "Americats" is a MORMON word, not a Ute word. Utes were taught it and it was explained to them. There is NOTHING in Ute linguistics that would suggest an alliteration and meaning. "Plenty" of trains were harassed as many trains testify, like the one DIRECTLY behind Fancher, the one Jake the Snake Hamblin led around the MMM site. You have no right to impute murders of other travelers onto this train
@dons123111 Did you know Boggs passed through Utah w/o being murdered? So did hundreds or thousands of Missourians. You can arrest and prosecute those you accused. That would have been the moral action. The Fed milking it's citizenry is irrelevant. But when non Mormons passed through Utah they all take about how the Mormons are taxed to the nth degree. I think the Fed was watching how the Utah strategy worked and started applying it to the US c. 1900. Look where we are now. No more on taxes, ok?
@dons123111 Not even Turley etal will admit the Corn ck nonsense. In my opinion these people did Nothing. Remember, EVERY legal witness was murdered, we have only the cover up to go by. The diaries are fabrications. I don't blame you for not accepting that. But it's easy to do. Brigham knows it and that was part of their purpose: To create witness from text. G. Smith preceded the train spewing hate in church about a people doing nothing. many do wirte of GAS words then. They murdered no Indians
@IExposeMormonism you act like the Fanchers were the only immigrants in Utah at the time, which is another fabrication of history. You act like there were no Non Mormons living in Utah at the time, which was another fabrication also. Even Marl Twain's record of passing thru Utah on a Stage Coach is uneventful and full of humor. Diaries like Twains are typically not lies, and that goes for anyones diaries, even ruthless tyrants like Nazis filmed their murders, and hid nothing. Hate blinds
Interesting! I'm a Fancher and related to the people in the wagon train. I've been to Harrison, Arkansas a few times but have never been to Mountain Meadows, Utah. I would like to spend some time there.
@BigRigAuburnTiger Interesting since I am a descendant of John D. Lee. 38 years ago I set out reading about this history. Jaunita Brooks, Diaries of John D. Lee, and The Tribune reports. I first placed blame on all of the Mormon Church. Since they were the ones who were at war with the US at the time and the Fanchers had allowed the Missouri Wildcats, and smaller wagon train, full of hate and vengence on Mormons and Indians to join up with them. Mormons were protecting themselves from a real
@BigRigAuburnTiger threat. The American Govt had said exterminating words on the floor of Congress against the Mormons. 25 Years of Mormon persecutions, and now this, a Govt with all it's power coming to finish them off. John D. Lee, and his cohorts were some of the most persecuted Mormons there were, having been at Hans Mill when women, and children were murdered by vigilantes, and their killers were never discovered, neither did the govt care to find those murderers. Mothers, sisters, brothers
@BigRigAuburnTiger cousins were in Santa Clara, watching the Wildcats harass their Indian Friends while highly motivated US Armies marched out of Washington at break neck speed to crush them. I doubt any of us can really understand this today, or why the Fanchers didn't head to Oregon instead of crossing the whole of Utah winding up in southern Utah where these familes of Hans Mill were waiting for vengence. Once placide mormons in SLC wouldn't sale them supplies, what made them think that the
@BigRigAuburnTiger more zealous Mormons in the south would treat them any better? The Southern Mormons were the most dedicated of them all. They were the most friendly to the Indians because of their zealous beliefs in the Book Of Mormon, that put Indians above the Gentiles. Why would the Fanchers keep with the Wildcats even though the wildcats were shooting and poisoning Indians in Utah? Those Indians were looked on by Mormons as being closer to God then those gentiles.
@dons123111 You are an ignorant horses ass. you know nothing of the facts behind this mass murder. And you say you are a direct descendant of JD Lee? There are some free insults in that..... Type away, you are as ignorant as you are stupid. The "Missouri Wildcats' is nonsense. They were set up in advance by GA Smith. They were lied and slandered in advance and they did nothing wrong. 50+ Mormon men, all under their Mormon endowment oaths killed over 90 women and children and some 30+ men.
@IExposeMormonism You are a nasty cuss. You Indian Killers didn't deserve any mercy, only your children. You slaughtered and murdered your way across America, and in the middle of the fight, you upped and ran out on the Fanchers like typical cowards. If you were a Fancher, you should have stayed east and travelled the southern route away from a War zone. You hooking up with the Missouri Wildcat Mormon and Indian Killers in the middle of a war was pretty damn dumb. Indian Killing advocates.
@dons123111 I'm a nasty cuss? read your absurd comments. The murderers were those in possession and control of the territory:The Mormons. They murdered along the Humboldt rv, E&W of SLC, South along the Old Spanish Trail. The Mormons murdered hundreds if not thousands of '49r's. They instructed Indians to use secret words and signs and if travelers didn't say the magic words they were murdered as gentiles. You should read the Black Hawk war and Bear River Massacre. Mormons killed Indians, too.
@IExposeMormonism I have to hand it to you, you can re-write history with the best of them. I have never seen such false accusations. By your account, Mark Twain was murdered by Mormons too when he travelled thru SLC. But according to Twain the were a pleasant people. You would want to burn his books because it doesn't match your revisionism. Mormons never murdered Indians and like the US Army that threatened the Mormons had mass genocide of the Lamanites. Las Vegas Fort was built by Mormons to
@IExposeMormonism bring peace among the Navajoes and Paiutes, and to protect Wagon Trains heading west. It's just a matter of real history. We have the Missouri Wildcats who murdered Indians along the way, and they were killed by Mormons, and you re-write the entire western history and defend those Murderers and put down a people who only knew persecution for their religous beliefs, which you only seem to be extending at any cost. How many more Indians would the Missouri Wildcats have murdered?
@IExposeMormonism The Black Hawk war was part of the Ute War, not Paiutes that were at Mtn Meadows. I don't know the history of the Utes, I have read the Journals of Dudley Leavitt, John D. Lee and Jacob Hamblin, and read Jaunita Brooks eyewitness account. I am only defending these men, not the entire Mormon Church. Dudley had an Indian wife, and Jacob and John had adopted Indian Children. John was always doing missionary work with them, so was Dudley. Jacob was helping them with agriculture.
@IExposeMormonism Jacobs Brother William helped build the Las Vegas Fort, and also Pipe Springs fort, both were built on the Navajoe Pauite Boundaries. These two tribes had perpetual war and skirmishes, and not many people were safe from a the travelling bands of renegades. The Mormons in the North whatever their motive was I cannot tell, because I am not versed in it. Dudly and William spent days on end reaching out to other tribes too, like the Anastazi and Pueblos.
The cowardly and vengeful putrid false church Mormons murdered 120 innocent children, women, and men on September 11, 1857. Pussy Brigham Young allowed the naked bodies to remain in the fields during the winter and spring. Only two queerbait losers were held accountable for the hate crime.
At minute we hear "Just after the days of Martial Law....." The wagons entered SLC on August 1. The so-called "Martial Law Declaration" is dated Sept 15th. Except, (as in all things 2 faced in Mormonism) for the August 5th MLD! But the wagons were never told of any MLD. How could they? they were ritualistically murdered on Sept 11. Peculiar indeed is Mormonism! These 2 documents are entirely different. So, just what are the Mormons up to with 2 Martial Law Declarations? Against the USA
Mormons are not killers. We believe everyone has a chance. You can be any religion and still be with god. We believe in the Celestial Terrestril and tellestianl kingdoms.
@charbz18 well it depends on your thinking of "blood atonement". We take a sacrament that cleanses our blood and renews our covent with heavnly father. No we do not purposly shed our own blood to be with god. hope that helped. sorry for the miss spells.:)
yeah and how many Mormons were MURDERED at Independance? How many Mormons were killed at Far West, or Hans Mill? Utah is the only place they could be safe. The wagon train could have gone through Arizona, and also the wagon train was boasting they had the gun that killed their prophet. So i go suggest you go read some history books. Mormonism is a religion Chetzmom,
Thank you for posting this. It was really interesting!. As for everyone out there saying that Mormons are evil, I would just like to clarify one thing: I am one and we believe the Gospel is true, however, the members of the church are not perfect. They are just like any person in this world. Please don't blame the church because its not the church. It may simply be the "person" who is in the church. We are all different and please don't judge us for our religion. Thank you
The Mormons MURDERED these people, they killed women and young children! Mormons are violent killers. I had neighbors who when they found out we were not Mormon, they ley their 8 yr old boys try to trap my 4 yr old son in their barn. Then they allowed their kids to throw large rocks at my kids because "they were going to hell any way".
Cite my proof or be labelled a liar ? from who? You? Thats hysterical! The facts speak for themselves pal. Re read the history and pay attention to the facts. Just because you live in an imaginary state of past reality does not make others liars!
If Brigham young or any other apostle been guilty the US army would have nailed them because they did the field investigation. And they would have loved to hang Brigham. Yes I have read John lees confession. He could have turned on Young even at the end. But he listed the real perpetrators. Higby Haight and winslow.
Accuses with no facts again...
scottwins2 4 days ago
@blutowpi, I meant to say that some of your claims come from misconceptions..
Jz81650 5 days ago
@blutowpi, disclaimer here. Some of your facts do have truth but some just plain stupid. I have done tons of research on the LDS faith and Church because I want to find any loop hole I can. To this point I have found none. Some of our claims are just claims made from mis conceptions. Read the Book Of Mormon and ask God the questions. It's obvious he is the only one that you will believe.
Jz81650 5 days ago
@blutowpi, was Joseph Smith the editor of Times and Season at that time. Is putting words into a Prophets mouth count as a Prophets words? I would check your facts again. Prophets are men. I agree that BY did take part in the COVER UP but that had more to do with the threat of California and the Us Army. It's been said that if the Civil War had not happened the US Army would have ended mormonism. Especially after the massacre. But d this is opinion from scholars. Why don't you do the research f
Jz81650 5 days ago
@blutowpi, again your quotes are factual statements made by leaders on the LDS church but they are considered OPINION. They are not Official Church Doctrine. It never will change with you guys. Same cards same hand....
Jz81650 5 days ago
I dont blame Mormons for running away from what the "prophets said in the past. I would never follow an organization that claims to be true but its entire foundation is so riddled by flim flam men who claimed to speak for God. Blacks cursed forever. Inter racial couples killed. Men on the moon and sun. Polygamy required for salvation. God having sex with the virgin Mary. Jews coming to America. Gold disappearing plates in deformed egyptian. Magic underwear. Magic spectacles. Men becoming gods.
blutowpi 5 days ago
Have you Mormons been to the temple in Independence Mo. ? I doubt it because its another false prophesy of the one true churchs prophet. we can say we built this temple for as the Lord lives we will build up Jackson county in this generation, (cries of amen,) and we will be far better off with regard to temporal things, when we have done, than ever we were before. - Times and Seasons 6:956 (April 6, 1845) As the Lord lives??? Mormongod never existed . Hes as much god as a cow in India
blutowpi 5 days ago
What happen was a tragedy and murder but you can't condemn the Mormon religion or it's people for bad choices made by others who happened to be Mormons. It's like saying that all Muslims are bad because of the few Muslims who carried out the 911 attacks.
Jz81650 5 days ago
@Jz81650 Exactly, there is no evidence that Brigham Young gave any order to attack that wagon train. NONE!
scottwins2 5 days ago
@Jz81650 We agree. I dont blame the Mormon people. I blame the false prophets they worship with pictures on their walls and the system of religion that replaces a personal relationship with the creator of the Universe. Jesus Christ. The Muslims follow their leaders too as Brighams followers did when he ordered the murder at Mtn Meadows. Both systems follow a man who claims to be a prophet and lies about what God supposedly told them. I pity Mormons and Muslims who are so blinded by wolves
blutowpi 5 days ago
@Jz81650 Hear the word of god thru Brigham your beloved "prophet"
In the days of Joseph it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones. - JoD 4:40 (Aug 31, 1856)
Its 2012 and Mormon elders are still not thought of as kings. Just bike pedaling folks pushing a counterfeit god , jesus who is the devils brother and a false gospel
blutowpi 5 days ago
@IExposeMormonism, you continue to bring up the Martial Law Declaration without saying why it was issued. Brigham Young was preparing for the Utah war and felt that the US Army was coming to Utah to finish off Mormonism once and for all. This being based on what California newspapers where saying about Mormons in Utah.Young was preparing the people for a standoff. You obviously use partial statements to make a so called point. As a Mormon I'm used to this from anti mormonism. Most of the time y
Jz81650 5 days ago
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. - JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863) Notice this is from God according to the liar B Young. I would strike his racist name from the BYU campus. He lied about what God said then. You cannot trust a word he ever uttered. He lied about men becoming gods too
blutowpi 5 days ago
Any "prophet " who said that a white person who marries a negro should be killed according to mormongod would not hesitate to slay a group of folks in a wagon train if he thought it could be a threat to his power in the area. Brigham was a liar and a murderer and no prophet of God. Mormongod is a creation of Joe Smith and Briggy and the band of so called prophets elected ever since. Mormons need to repent and come to the God of creation who died for their sins and loves them. Morgod is imaginary
blutowpi 5 days ago
@blutowpi As the Mob before, you offer no facts, just accusations. There is no evidence that Brigham Young ordered any attack on that wagon train no matter how much you howl.
scottwins2 5 days ago
The isolation of the Mormon communities (before telegraph) incomplete news of the approaching U.S. Army, fear of non-Mormons, and other factors lead to paranoia on the part of the Mountain Meadows com
scottwins2 5 days ago
The leaders sent a rider to Brigham Young to ask what to do in Salt Lake. James Haslam, the rider, left on Sept. 7, a 300-mile journey. Young's return message, "In regard to the emigration trains passing through our settlements, we must not interfere with them until they are first notified to keep away. You must not meddle with them. The Indians we expect will do as they please but you should try and preserve good feelings with them." two days after the massacre, on September 13, 1857.
scottwins2 5 days ago
How do I use this? I wont take credit but I need it for school. :(
trilogy11 1 month ago
This is bullshit.
Young was a murderer, historical fact. These people were surrendered to not be harmed and they were open fired upon.
Don't believe these lies...
PaulAll1313 1 month ago
It's doubtful 2 Missouri folk were in the train. The Dukes train, behind them, were Missourians. The Train Never "lashed out" or did anything to the Mormons. This is nonsense and DM Quinn should know better. The onus for such false accusations against these people falls on the Mormons making the accusations. It was the Mormons who destroyed all the evidence, robbed the emigrants, sold their property at auction and Mormons who kidnapped the children. It was Mormons who destroyed Mormon diaries
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shanegfowler 1 month ago
Bugger Young a mass murderer.
wovokanarchy 2 months ago
@wovokanarchy Where is your proof? all you do is accuse it appears. Way of the mob I suppose.
scottwins2 5 days ago
@scottwins2 "Proof"? It's staring you right in the face with this video and others which are more objective that this purely propaganda piece. At least own up to your history and be a honorable person instead of being a shameless coward like the ones who murdered the innocent women and children at Mtn. Meadow.
wovokanarchy 5 days ago
@wovokanarchy John D. Lee was not authorized by Brigham Young or the Apostles to attack these people. You accuse with mob fervor yet provide no facts that the church at large was invovled in this attack. None, nor can you chow it nor will you since it does not exist. As for me being a coward? You don't know me so don't be ignorant.
scottwins2 5 days ago
@scottwins2 You accuse me of being ''ignorant'' but you apologize for a massive crime committed by the Mormon Church through the direct orders of BY. Why would BY send a report to the Dept.of Ndn Affairs blaming the Indians for the massacre and trying to cover up the crime? In modern day criminal investigations such behaviour would most definitely hold up in a court of law as to the guilt of B Young's culpability to this mass murder at the hands of Mormons. Religious fanatics like you fail to un
wovokanarchy 5 days ago
@wovokanarchy Again no facts as usual just accusations.
scottwins2 5 days ago
@scottwins2 And your basing on your defense of mass murder on what? Religious fundamentalism, a video based on lies, a racist institution like the Mormon Church? How can you defend mass murder of Americans? You might as well defend the mass murder of the victims in New York by extreme Muslims on 9-11.Your extreme religious fundamentalism are from the same source.
wovokanarchy 5 days ago
@wovokanarchy You can squeal like a stuck pig all you want. There is no evidence that Brigham Young gave any order to attack that wagon train. Instead of offering facts you are stuck in your on biggotry of Mormons.
scottwins2 5 days ago
@scottwins2 There is no evidence Osama Bin Ladin planned the attack also but he created the environment for 9-11 to occur. Jim Jones didn't personally force to drink the cool-aid but he created the environment for it to occur. B Young may not have given the direct order but he created the environment for the masscre to occur. Keep defending the racist Mormon church Scott and also the mass killing of American women and children. At least we now know where your moral compass is on mass murder.
wovokanarchy 5 days ago
@wovokanarchy If you say it enough you think people will believe you what my moral compass is? I think the whole thing is sad, very sad. But you changing the topic awyay from Brigham Young does not make him guilty. You have no facts and no proof. Just your bias, biggotry on the matter. We have a copy of the letter he sent telling the Saints to not do anything, you have nothing. this is my last note on the matter. So go have your last say and accuse and accuse with no facts.
scottwins2 5 days ago
@scottwins2 Keep living in denial just like certain holocaust deniers.
wovokanarchy 5 days ago
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Brigham Young, Blood Atonement Sermon: Journal of Discourses Vol. 3, p. 243-249 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands".
TheSoulamore 3 months ago
I wanted to say thank you. I'm a Mormon this is the first accurate account of what happened I have seen by non Mormons. It is true the Mormons did an unbelievable evil that day. However it is also true that Brigham Young's only wrong if you feel this was a wrong was that he told Mormons not to sell supplies to non Mormons. John D. Lee obviously had a bone to pick with Young because he disagreed with him it is just like comments Joseph Smith's enemies made about him they were slanderous lies.
Dandeeman26 3 months ago
the monster killer "prophet" brigham young" was an occultic killer like the muslims muhammed..they attacked anyone who entered the state and usualy killed them,then they call themselves "chritsians"...all dead mormons now reside in Hell where they will be forever and ever....sorry folks,dont call mormons christians and give true christians a bad name..mormons are of the occult and think theyre going to get their own planet full of vigins when they die...lmao!!..repent,mormonmaniacles,
doomedamerica 5 months ago
@doomedamerica you act like Christians never killed like this... Perhaps it is religion that makes good people do bad things..........
twistedfocus100 2 months ago
Please research this for yourself! No LDS spin. The reason for this was that like all religious looneys, the mormons did not consider any non-mormons human and so had no qualms about slaughtering them. The mormon belief in "blood atonement" has led to MANY situations like this and will again. Make no mistake, the only reason any mormon cares about you is as a potential convert. Nothing else. Just like all religious nuts.
curtisgoat 6 months ago
@curtisgoat Do I care about you as a convert? Not particulary no, because I know that it's unlikely that you'll covert. Do I care about you as a fellow human being? Yes. Therefore your distorted view of Mormons are false.
RainbowManification 1 month ago
Religion strikes again.
What do you call it If, with one hand, Im spoon feeding a satisfied child that obeys me, and with the other hand choking a starving child that disobeys me?
Whats that called??? RELIGION!!!
pgbruiser 7 months ago
It is important to realize that this was NOT an isolated incident!! This was a bad one that they got caught for! Mormon TERRORISM against wagon trains was standard procedure for decades!
toefur69 8 months ago
It's funny how close the words Mormon and Moron are....
amyleoness 11 months ago
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In 1857, Brigham Young declared that apostates would "become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil" (Journal of Discourses 5:332).
Mormonism and Christianity are totally DIFFERENT!
Mormonism is an 1800s racist man made religion.
If Mormons want to become Christians, there is good news! You still can be...
rickgigliotti 11 months ago
this is moron propaganda to make the morons innocent of the event
lie #1 the Mormons felt threatened that these immigrants were going to harm them.
lie #2 the Mormons were driven out of the east into Utah. the Mormons were the ones that caused trouble, they left for Utah to start a cult, because cults need isolation to grow
lie #3 Brigham young was trying to stop it with a last minute message was nothing more than PR damage control when the story reached the press
godscuttingyoudown 1 year ago 12
@godscuttingyoudown
1. the early saints did feel threatened
2. the early saints were driven out
3. Brigham Young did send a message to NOT attack the train but the message didn't arrive until 2 days after the massacre.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish And do tell, why would a holy Mormon need a message to NOT attack 90 women and little kids and some men? Brigham controlled Utah and all the Mormons with an iron fist. You got married with his permission. He sent G.A. Smith just in front of the train and he spewed hatred against them even though he was days IN FRONT of them. And there were 2 Martial Law Declarations, the Aug 5 one was Never communicated to the train by any Mormon in the 6 weeks it was in effect
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism @"Brigham controlled Utah and all the Mormons with an iron fist." What makes you think that, September Dawn? lol Please. That movie is highly inaccurate.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish Everything I typed is accurate. Anyone studying Mormonism, Mormon or not, knows B.Y. controlled Ut. The mail service was a spy network. . He had 2 MLD published, 8-5 and 9-15. He "gave all the cattle on the road" to the Indians (D Huntington). There is no shortage of testimonies of his authority over peoples personal lives. If you want to believe he knew zip of the attack prior to it, go ahead, your Mormon. But to believe he wasn't accessory after the fact is absurd & easily disproved
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism I already went over this. He sent a message for the saints to not attack. The message arrived late. Its that simple.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish Using smurf Mormon logic works for you. Poor Briggy, he kept such control over his saints and then this one little incident. I wonder what Dimick Huntington meant in his diary by quoting Briggy "Give all the cattle on the road to the Indians." I doubt if the owners of the cattle agreed with the living dead Mormon profit.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism " '"Give all the cattle on the road to the Indians.' " When Brigham spoke of cattle here he meant cattle, as in cows. How is that hard to get? The cattle wasn't a bribe like you're claiming. Yes, I'm aware of the allegation. Brigham asked that the Indian chiefs scatter the cow on the trail to close it off. Brigham, a true prophet of God, had nothing to do with the massacre. Many people, such as you, completely distort the history of the church.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish This distortion of history is done by the Mormons themselves. Just as you have done here. Briggy "gave all the cattle" to the Indians. And the implication is obvious to anyone except a smurfy Mormon. Just as you falsely accuse the Indians of Mormon crimes. Just as you dress as Indians and murder and accuse them of your crimes Just as you deny polygamy and practice Just as you deny the contents of the obscene Mormon endowment ceremony There is no end to Mormon denials and little truth
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism We don't distort the truth. You critics of Jesus Christ's church do that. I gave a fact. Why do even say "just as you" as if ALL of the Mormons, including us of today, had a hand in the massacre? Don't generalize all of us because of a small group over 100 years ago. Do you completely ignore the persecutions the early saints went through? Yes. The church has never denied plural marriage, something that has been done away with.
majinish 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism You talk about denial and you desperately try to say Brigham was behind the massacre when you know full well he wasn't behind it. Again, the cattle was used to stop the army or to at least slow them down. You're blinded by what you've been told by others. You don't care to learn anything. Not about the church, not about facts, not about truth.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish "The cattle were used to slow down the Army" how was that?By the carcases on the road?The MMM was north of St George. The Army was at Ft Bridger, 500 miles apart. The cattle were, however, Branded with the Mormon Church brand. Do U know what it was? A Christian cross. And do U know what happened to those cattle? over 250 of them were sold to the army you just referred to. Now, wake up and flee Mormonism. I am not "told by others" I tell others. Like where the Massacre Really took place
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism @"flee Mormonism" No thanks. I prefer to not leave Jesus Christ's church and to also not leave Jesus Christ.
@"I am not "told by others" I tell others." As an anti-Mormon you're required by instinct to not tell the truth.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish The video tells us On Aug 5th Martial Law was declared. No one anywhere told them.G.A. Smith was sent in front spewing lies about them. Many Mormons traveled with them,Mormon spies and just some Mormons who happened along. No says anything bad about them when traveling with them.Nor do others that knew them along the route. We know 55 Mormons under the Endowment Oaths did everything I said above, blamed the Indians, stole the goods,stored them in the Tithing office, sold it at profited
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism @"The video tells us" September Dawn is pretty much crap that doesn't tell anything about the real history of the Mountain Meadow Massacre.
@"We know 55 Mormons under the Endowment Oaths did everything I said above, blamed the Indians, stole the goods,stored them in the Tithing office, sold it at profited"
Ok, and? I know that some early Mormons did this. At the same time it doesn't characterize the church.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish Yes it does. Endowment Ceremony is where men sell their souls and manhood to the Hierarchy. And placing stuff in the Tithing house has implications. And auctioning it off for grain. Everyone knew what it was. And covering it up involves many hundreds of people. And then there are the numerous prayer circles held to get Mormon gods permission to do the deed. This video isn't September Dawn, it's another movie/documentary. And having Martial Law and not telling people isn't very nice.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism What they did characterized them personally, not the church. If you think it does you really are ignorant.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish What they did was part and parcel of an agenda that began Prior to G.A.Smith leaving SLC at B.Y. "counsel" and G.S. spewed lies In Front of the train. The Mormons, carefully crafted the event, held numerous prayer circles, falsely accused others (Indians and the train), covered up the crime, denied and colluded together to profit from the crime, kidnapped children and billed the USA for the event. B.Y. Clearly, at min,' knew after the fact,A crime. D.Huntington's diary shows his intent
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@godscuttingyoudown John D Lee also said that Bungham Young had given the order to kill the wagon train. So much for the propaganda piece I just watched. These mormon prophets fail every test the bible puts forth to test the prophets whether they be from God. God knew there would be many false prophets so he gave us a way to test the "prophet". Not feeling a warm fuzzy feeling in our tummys. Jalapenos will do that. How lazy to trust your soul to feelings rather than truth found in the bible
blutowpi 5 months ago 4
@blutowpi "Lee's claim that George A. Smith met Lee in southern Utah on 1 September with orders of destruction was impossible, Smith was in Salt Lake on that very day. ...which we can verify...
scottwins2 5 days ago
@godscuttingyoudown Yeah, the mormons actually used the indians to do it and they tried to make it look like it was solely the fault of indians but when the caravan noticed that white men were leading the indians they proceeded to kill all witnesses.
WorshipInTruth 2 months ago
@godscuttingyoudown The Mormons were forced to leave Missouri, and then Nauvoo. The Mormons were denied religious freedom in a land of religious freedom, a travesty if I've ever seen one. Critics like you often cite Mountain Meadows, but fail to recognize all the other terrible and unprovoked acts against the Saints, and you say the Mormons caused trouble?
RainbowManification 1 month ago
Is this Mormon propaganda? I heard that the story about the settlers returning from California was bullshit made up by the Mormons in order to get the settlers attacked and to get the Natives to join in.
pisswizard 1 year ago
oh 17 children???? Compared what happened to the church in the midwest was probley at least 200 inocent kids dying!
MrUtahutes17 1 year ago
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Thyrfing84 1 year ago
If Mormons disappeared from the earth, all flesh would be wasted away. Mormons are the only true religion.
PaulGiffs 1 year ago
@PaulGiffs Gold plates? An Israeli tribe managed/bothered to travel to America... yeah...
I accept you have your own beliefs but why do you believe the Mormon story compared to the Christian ones?
soldier4670 1 year ago
@PaulGiffs and your a true faggot, mormons are evil fuck em all
suki603 1 year ago
@suki603 Mormons aren't evil. Brigham Young was evil, but not all of them are, that's just stereotyping. I think mormons are stupid, because they believe in ridiculous things, but not evil. If you are christian (or believe in any religion, really) then you have no right to be criticizing mormons. The public is desensitized towards people believing in a god or gods, but not so much towards mormon beliefs. All in all, religious people are not evil, just misguided.
ImmaDwarfKicker 11 months ago
@ImmaDwarfKicker ur totally correct ,misguided would b the appropriate word. i believe that the attitude of defense that most mormons show when they encounter a discussion with a bible only christian believer makes this same christian intolerable (at times, and some christians not even a mayority) having his arguments no effect and that is just naturally frustrating to some. i say let them be, but waste no time in presenting the bible truth in firmness & kindness, and if taken good if not,well.
7wiiskate 7 months ago
The ONLY reason Fat Boy Haslam was sent to SLC was because Laban Morril and other Milk sucking Mormons had the Moral temerity to suggest it wrong to systematically murder all these people. When Laban left the meeting that night he had been proceeded by Stewart and McFarland, 2 major murderers at MMM. (The stories!!) Laban saw these two and didn't go home. And he didn't sleep in his home for MONTHS after this meeting. BECAUSE he had dared to suggest not murdering the train. Haslam is a RUSE
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
Minute 1:45, "Don't trade, we need the food.." PROVES Mormon Diaries Fabrications: Jesse N Smith and others diaries say "DO sell them food but not for fodder" So, Which way is it?? ALSO, This video says "Under the ML Decree's, (Plural) of Briggy. And: "They INSISTED on taking the Southern route". Fancher had crossed here Twice, he was going to VISALIA, N of Bakersfield. There was NO reason to travel west. If Rich did "council" them west, so what?, It was Much shorter and familiar to go south
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
FIRST:: This documentary ADMITS the Aug15th Martial Law Declaration. Mormons try and use BOTH MLD. Can you believe it!? Yet they get away with this violent 2X MLD nonsense! If the train did so enter Utah, why were they NEVER told ML existed?? Why is the 9-15 MLD used so often?? I POSTED MANY MLD videos on this subject and Welcome conversation. The MLD is critical to the MMM. In Aug' G A Smith and Hamblin Camped Next to them and said NOTHING. Why didn't they say "hey, why you being so mean"?
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
Wrong... in the last 25 years, every effort has been made to wipe out the Missouri Wildcats memory. It's just plain brainwashing is all. Wash the story so you can hate someone 160 years ago. You Indian Killers!
dons123111 1 year ago
damn the mormons
Atreyufolife 1 year ago
If you haven't heard of the Missouri Wildcats, then you haven't read Jaunita Brooks eye witness account of the Mtn Meadows Massacre. You are re-writing your own version of an event that happened 150 years ago, picking and choosing what you want to believe. These three men, Dudley Leavitt, Jacob Hamblin and John D. Lee, kept daily journals. What kind of outlaw does such a thing? Can you name me 3 others, or even 1? Fact is, they were productive educated people with families, unlike the Wildcats.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 Almost all the Mormons kept so called diaries. Those so called journals are nothing but fiction written intentionally for their personal advantage. They are often altered by the writers, redacted, stolen by the Hierarchy.. Get the Jenson interviews, recently published. They show the duplicity over time The Missouri Wildcats are pure fiction, created by Mormons to promote the lie that created the MMM. The entire time line around the MMM was carefully concealed by the perpetrators. .
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Diaries and Journals are typically kept by responsible people, regardless of religion, not by mean, angry men such as yourself. When Juanita Brooks was writing about the MMM, she was blacklisted by the Mormon Church. She was educated at Columbia University and documents the Missouri Wildcatsand the account is documented at the Library of Congress. She said Brigham Young used incendiary rhetoric provoking the attack, and was an accesory after the fact and that he was paranoid.
dons123111 1 year ago
Missouri Wildcats is a Mormon word. If you find a reference outside of Mormonism Before this event let me know. Journals are easy to manufacture for the occasion. Their content is interesting for what they leave out as much as the put in, often provably false. recently the interviews the Hierarchy ordered in c.1892 were published. (Brooks wanted those papers) The interviewers suffered from lack of sleep. not because of the mean Arkies, because of the truth, at odds with Mormon diaries and words.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism You refuse to acknowledge the probabilities and are willing to except the possibilties. Your logic is two birds in the bush is worth more then one in the pot. It's exactly the opposite of logical empirical evidence presented. I'm going to side with the Library of Congress over your possible conspiracies, I will side with the fact that responsible civilzed people keep journals, and not criminals. The Journals were kept way before MMM, and where are the Fancher Journals?
dons123111 1 year ago
WHERE ARE THE FANCHER JOURNALS?? In the hands of their Murderers. These facts are well attested to. John D Lee supposedly destroyed one. Others that attempted to escape camp were over run and murdered. We know no one escaped! The question is, are even these stories of escape/Messages true or more Mormon stories to flesh out a huge piece of mythogogery to promote an agenda. People do this, not just Mormons. The MMM Is replete with concealment and lies. I say ALL Mormon testimony must be Provable
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Guilty until proven innocent is your final decision. Napoleanic Laws. It's no wonder Mormons don't like you. Be fair and just, or be just another Wildcat murdering and plundering. I would sleep well also after I took out the persons who were murdering my friends. Maybe it's because the Fanchers and Wildcats were white and the Indians were not is why your unfairness get's so enraged. It's always a massacre when Indians kill but a battle when the white man does it. MMDisaster
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 No, it is precisely that which caused the MMM. These people had nothing to do with Missouri. Nothing. And in all probability no one from Ms was present. And None of the 100 women and children were perps. All the Mormons at MMM were under their endowment oaths, a requirement for the deed. Wildcats is pure Mormonese, so have at it, mythogoger. How do you justify murdering kids/women, kidnapping, blaming it all on Indians and say "we're innocent"
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@dons123111 You told Iexposemormonism that mormons dont like him, me personally could give a rats ass if a satanic cult like mormonism didnt like me so.......
Theeagerburger 1 year ago
@Theeagerburger are you smoking crack? expose doesn't like Mormons, he's probably been excomunicated or he siwfe left him for a Mormon bishop or something, and you woudn't know satan if he bit you in the ass
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 Yeah go hail you fucking piece of shit prophet of satan joseph smith
Theeagerburger 1 year ago
@Theeagerburger you sound like saaatttaannn...
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 You EFFIN mormons are of satan.. funny that a mormon can never resist bringing their leader satan up...
Theeagerburger 1 year ago
@Theeagerburger yeah, I have horns on my head and bifurcated tail...lol
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 Yeah satan loves his favorite little mormon bitch joseph smith
Theeagerburger 1 year ago
@Theeagerburger do you know what happened to theeagerurger? And This ritual mass murder had nothing to do with those that killed Joe. These people are from Arkansas, not Missouri. They had no relation to Pratt. And It is doubtful they said "We are coming back". ALL of the Mormon stories are lies to cover this crime against mankind.People came from Missouri and managed to not suffer this. And Missing Mormon Documents that prove a claim, are Mormonism Par Excellence,right, down to the BofM
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism The real theeager person went to jail from what I heard for writing bad checks, dont quote me on it just going by what I heard from the grapevine a while ago
Theeagerburger 1 year ago
@Theeagerburger wowie. I saw his account was suspended. He said he made $100K a year. But that doesn't go far in the SF Bay Area, where he was, around Mountain View, I think.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism The interviewers sufferede from lack of sleep not because of the mean Arkies, because of the truth at odds with the mormon diaries??? Do you even know how illogical unsensical this sounds? It doesn't make any sense if you are rational. You would have to somehow close your mind, and use some hateful feelings to see any substance in this sentence. Lack of sleep? LOL what a lame ass excuse..poor baby didn't get his rest..whaaah
dons123111 1 year ago
The interviewers suffered because the Mass Murdering Maniacs continued to lie and reinforce each other in ways that were and are provably false. Not because of the mean Arkies actions. The train did nothing. No chicken snapping, nothing. No "We killed Joe". McFarland was a psychoholic and his words are meaningless for truth. McMurdy, all of them just write down and say what needs to be said. John D Lee said he slept well after the MMM. Odd the truths he confesses as he seeks to vindicate himself
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
What’s even more disgusting is that the Mormons bought the land as an attempt to monopolize the situation and control the damage. There is no mystery behind the massacre at Mountain Meadows! Brigham Young had been teaching the “Blood Atonement” (research) for about 4 or 5 years prior to September, 11th 1857. No doubt they thought the massacre was justified; they were sending everybody to heaven! Can you say “cult”? Mormonism is finished.
godnessdude 1 year ago
It's funny. The Mormons claimed the Indians were a cursed race to be eventually exterminated,and yet they teamed up with the Indians to commit this atrocity. Even Moroni must have been scratching his head over the whole thing.
Rusfi16 1 year ago
@Rusfi16 You really got that one mixed up. Converted Indians were not as cursed as unbaptized gentiles were. There is such thing as Mormons wanting to exterminate the Indians. You are making that up. The US Government was exterminating Indians and Mormons were saving them from that destruction. That's why the Indians joined the Mormons against the US.
dons123111 1 year ago
Michael Quinn at 0:36. Now there's a breath of fresh honesty. Thank mother earth for the detractors, eh, anti-Mormons?
DrCaustic 1 year ago
It remains the west most tragic episode? Oh please, make me vomit. The Indians in this country were being exterminated and massacred when this reverse massacre took place. The Mormons had sent missionaries to Indian villages for 25 years encouragring them to join their church, while the US Govt was handing out blankets to Indians with small pox on them. The Mormons had arrived in Utah and signed a peace treaty with the locals, and never once set about to exterminate them, but rather taught
dons123111 1 year ago
lds please go to your own planets and leave normal people alone
dixiejon 1 year ago 11
@dixiejon : "lds please go to your own planets and leave normal people alone."
Not until final judgment, dixie. You'll just have to be patient. Obama brand carrot sticks anyone?
DrCaustic 1 year ago
Mormons are not nazis. They do not believe in genicide nor in a superior arian race... just to name a few. In fact they have nothing in common with Nazi beliefs.
mlja11 1 year ago
Read the book "The Mountain Meadow Massacre," it tells what really occurred. It was written by three historians who show the actual journal writings, paper trails, and other historical documents surrounding this tragic story.
I implore those who see this video to understand this was a time of war. A time when the mormon men women and children themselves had been massacred and chased from their homes many times over. There are many sides to this tragic time.
mlja11 1 year ago
@mlja11 You are seriously trying yo justify this?
01jerm10 1 year ago
@01jerm10 justify Mountain Meadows massacre? How does the US justify any war other then the Revolutionary war? The war against the Mormons was just another little dirty war like all the others. You want to tell me how Yankees justifed the slaughter of Confederate women and children? How entire nation used tariffs to punish it's own citizens?
dons123111 1 year ago
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@dons123111 So your justification of the massacre is by comparing it to other tragedies? That is an argument I would expect from a child. "They did it so we can also". Lets try and keep on topic. We are not talking about all the other crap that has happened in the world. My question is simple, "You are seriously trying yo justify this?"
01jerm10 1 year ago
@dons123111 The settlers were not a part of the US government or army, they were innocent bystanders caught in the middle, trying to emmigrate to the West. First, mormons believe a convicted con man and hustler, joseph smith, about a "new testament" of the bible (when the bible clearly states no additons to the bible are legitimate (and that was preking james) , then you massacre innocent people because "god told you to", and don't get me started on your modern lie games. You're all evil.
TheGreenPlague 1 year ago
@TheGreenPlague They were not innocent bystanders, they were murdering Indians, who were allied with the Mormons. They could have taken other routes, but chose unwisely to leave late in the season, and those bad choices also plagued them when they allied themselves with the desperados know as the Missouri Wildcats who had murdered mormon women and children at Hans Mill. You think Abraham Lincoln was not a hustler when he forced big government on America, then you are dreaming.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 You're a fucking retard. You keep talking about alliances and shit, this is life, IT'S SURVIVAL you arrogant nut job. Those people didn't give a damn about Lincoln or the states, or anything. You're spitting LIES and untruths. These settlers simply wanted passage to the west, when the INDIANS attacked, they fought back with guns and whooped their ass, when the gangs threatened them, they "allied" and earned passage for a toll they paid. The mormons killed women and children, u liar
TheGreenPlague 1 year ago
@TheGreenPlague you can't debate, because of your ignorance and illiteracy on the topic, your name calling proves it. Just hang it up and move on, before you split a vein in your brain.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 lol, you're the one name calling, and you're obviously the one who can't let it go. Sad really, look at all your comments. The level of denial is fascinating.
TheGreenPlague 1 year ago
@dons123111 You're blind.
TheGreenPlague 1 year ago
@dons123111 The Wagon train had women and children with it, it was from Arkansas. The US Army was a different group. But this mind set well explains how these innocents were killed. And don't confuse or use other immoral acts as an excuse or rationale. And what Mormonism does and did to its sheeple to milk money from it is what the US Fed learned from the M Hierarchy to use against its sheeple. Mormonism is years ahead of the Fed on Milking the minions.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism The Mormons saved the women and children, unlike what happened at Hans Mill Massacre, where mormon children were thrown into a well, and therefore they drew firstblood. But your mindset continues to only allow for hate of mormons in it. The Feds were milking the US citizens even before the Civil War, all you have to do is listen to the words of Davy Crocket to find the truth. "You can all (US Congress) go to hell and I will go to Texas!"
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 Where to start with you...Maine had as much to do with Hans Mill as Arkansas. Or are you using it as an excuse to blame every one not Mormon for Hans Mill and every Non M' is worthy of death? Why not blame them for Parley at least that happened in Ark? Why are non-participants of crimes worthy of Mormon Murders? If Hans is wrong, why kill children over 8? If you're getting even, and that's what your logic says, why do you murder so many other children over 8? More to follow
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Maine? LOL..if you are coming from Missouri in 1857, and from the Hans Mill Area, you are not exactly from Maine...ok? You have a situation where the Missouri Wildcats have a reputation for trouble, and yet you allign yourself with trouble. That's as good as hanging out withe Crypts and Bloods today thinking you won't get harmed by drive by shooters. You weren't there, you sit in judgement 150 years later condenming one side and not questiong the other.
dons123111 1 year ago 2
@dons123111 Interesting you would compare Mormonism to Crypts and Bloods. Nice. The People of Arkansas had no more to do with Hans Mill than Maine. Point. Game. You guys generalize guilt, death on basis of state citizenship! This wasn't a state conspiracy and attack. And you need to take care of it with the responsible parties. By the way, who came after the Mormons after the MMM? If they were coming before, why not invade after such a brutal unjust mass murder?
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Interesting that you can't read the context of a sentence. Your Missouri Wildcats are crypts..you shouldn't have joined up with them, gangs like them are not healthy for anyone, and you were irresponsible to have those Indian Murderers next to your children, using your children as shields like a typical coward,, or are you one of the those Bloods who uses children as a cover as a way to justify your murdering of Indians? Your crime is putting children in harms way.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons, You're loosing it. You have no right to place me in the context of 1857 nor compare them to Hispanic cholo's, nor suggest they murdered Indians. Including Corn Ck. Your accusations of using children in such a way, when it was MORMONS that murdered little children 8yrs and up is beyond pale. It was 55+ MORMONS promising safe passage and murdering them. How do you justify placing the blame of the death of children on the victims. Mormons separated these people TO murder them. wake up
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@dons123111 fuck all mormons, cat-like or otherwise.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
@deceiver123m
AND WHY ALL MORMONS? YOU THINK ALL MORMONS WANT IT... EVEN THE PEOPLE DID THAT DIDN'T WANT...
salina070389 1 year ago
@dons123111
I cant understand the people like always looking at the past... and why are you hated LDS? are you there when the time it is happen? do you know the exact reason why its happen? I wish you can open your eyes and your heart....
salina070389 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Plenty of immigrant trains passed thru Utah wihtout being harmed, other wise the Fanchers wouldn't have gone that route. Anti-Mormons continue to deny that the Missouri Wilcats were real, and the documents that are in US History hands say otherwise. The History says they murdered Indians, with the Fancher Train, and yet you continue to call documented history on US Archives a fabrication. According to your logic then any history you make up is real, and others fabricate it.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons1 The "Missouri Wild Cats' Was first used by a MORMON near Provo. The Word "Meri-Cats" and "Americats" is a MORMON word, not a Ute word. Utes were taught it and it was explained to them. There is NOTHING in Ute linguistics that would suggest an alliteration and meaning. "Plenty" of trains were harassed as many trains testify, like the one DIRECTLY behind Fancher, the one Jake the Snake Hamblin led around the MMM site. You have no right to impute murders of other travelers onto this train
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@dons123111 Did you know Boggs passed through Utah w/o being murdered? So did hundreds or thousands of Missourians. You can arrest and prosecute those you accused. That would have been the moral action. The Fed milking it's citizenry is irrelevant. But when non Mormons passed through Utah they all take about how the Mormons are taxed to the nth degree. I think the Fed was watching how the Utah strategy worked and started applying it to the US c. 1900. Look where we are now. No more on taxes, ok?
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@dons123111 Not even Turley etal will admit the Corn ck nonsense. In my opinion these people did Nothing. Remember, EVERY legal witness was murdered, we have only the cover up to go by. The diaries are fabrications. I don't blame you for not accepting that. But it's easy to do. Brigham knows it and that was part of their purpose: To create witness from text. G. Smith preceded the train spewing hate in church about a people doing nothing. many do wirte of GAS words then. They murdered no Indians
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism you act like the Fanchers were the only immigrants in Utah at the time, which is another fabrication of history. You act like there were no Non Mormons living in Utah at the time, which was another fabrication also. Even Marl Twain's record of passing thru Utah on a Stage Coach is uneventful and full of humor. Diaries like Twains are typically not lies, and that goes for anyones diaries, even ruthless tyrants like Nazis filmed their murders, and hid nothing. Hate blinds
dons123111 1 year ago
eh, mormons are nazis... they both are idioitical terrorists...
ForgotteMemories101 1 year ago
Sad. I don't know much about the Mormons-they are very secretive.... :(
ChristineCAlb 1 year ago
Don't forget what really happened to the Donner Party!
toefur69 1 year ago
Interesting! I'm a Fancher and related to the people in the wagon train. I've been to Harrison, Arkansas a few times but have never been to Mountain Meadows, Utah. I would like to spend some time there.
joant1221 1 year ago
@joant1221 My mother and grandmother were Fanchers, Birmingham Fanchers. I visited the massacre site today and just posted my video
BigRigAuburnTiger 1 year ago
@BigRigAuburnTiger Interesting since I am a descendant of John D. Lee. 38 years ago I set out reading about this history. Jaunita Brooks, Diaries of John D. Lee, and The Tribune reports. I first placed blame on all of the Mormon Church. Since they were the ones who were at war with the US at the time and the Fanchers had allowed the Missouri Wildcats, and smaller wagon train, full of hate and vengence on Mormons and Indians to join up with them. Mormons were protecting themselves from a real
dons123111 1 year ago
@BigRigAuburnTiger threat. The American Govt had said exterminating words on the floor of Congress against the Mormons. 25 Years of Mormon persecutions, and now this, a Govt with all it's power coming to finish them off. John D. Lee, and his cohorts were some of the most persecuted Mormons there were, having been at Hans Mill when women, and children were murdered by vigilantes, and their killers were never discovered, neither did the govt care to find those murderers. Mothers, sisters, brothers
dons123111 1 year ago
@BigRigAuburnTiger cousins were in Santa Clara, watching the Wildcats harass their Indian Friends while highly motivated US Armies marched out of Washington at break neck speed to crush them. I doubt any of us can really understand this today, or why the Fanchers didn't head to Oregon instead of crossing the whole of Utah winding up in southern Utah where these familes of Hans Mill were waiting for vengence. Once placide mormons in SLC wouldn't sale them supplies, what made them think that the
dons123111 1 year ago
@BigRigAuburnTiger more zealous Mormons in the south would treat them any better? The Southern Mormons were the most dedicated of them all. They were the most friendly to the Indians because of their zealous beliefs in the Book Of Mormon, that put Indians above the Gentiles. Why would the Fanchers keep with the Wildcats even though the wildcats were shooting and poisoning Indians in Utah? Those Indians were looked on by Mormons as being closer to God then those gentiles.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 You are an ignorant horses ass. you know nothing of the facts behind this mass murder. And you say you are a direct descendant of JD Lee? There are some free insults in that..... Type away, you are as ignorant as you are stupid. The "Missouri Wildcats' is nonsense. They were set up in advance by GA Smith. They were lied and slandered in advance and they did nothing wrong. 50+ Mormon men, all under their Mormon endowment oaths killed over 90 women and children and some 30+ men.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism You are a nasty cuss. You Indian Killers didn't deserve any mercy, only your children. You slaughtered and murdered your way across America, and in the middle of the fight, you upped and ran out on the Fanchers like typical cowards. If you were a Fancher, you should have stayed east and travelled the southern route away from a War zone. You hooking up with the Missouri Wildcat Mormon and Indian Killers in the middle of a war was pretty damn dumb. Indian Killing advocates.
dons123111 1 year ago
@dons123111 I'm a nasty cuss? read your absurd comments. The murderers were those in possession and control of the territory:The Mormons. They murdered along the Humboldt rv, E&W of SLC, South along the Old Spanish Trail. The Mormons murdered hundreds if not thousands of '49r's. They instructed Indians to use secret words and signs and if travelers didn't say the magic words they were murdered as gentiles. You should read the Black Hawk war and Bear River Massacre. Mormons killed Indians, too.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism I have to hand it to you, you can re-write history with the best of them. I have never seen such false accusations. By your account, Mark Twain was murdered by Mormons too when he travelled thru SLC. But according to Twain the were a pleasant people. You would want to burn his books because it doesn't match your revisionism. Mormons never murdered Indians and like the US Army that threatened the Mormons had mass genocide of the Lamanites. Las Vegas Fort was built by Mormons to
dons123111 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism bring peace among the Navajoes and Paiutes, and to protect Wagon Trains heading west. It's just a matter of real history. We have the Missouri Wildcats who murdered Indians along the way, and they were killed by Mormons, and you re-write the entire western history and defend those Murderers and put down a people who only knew persecution for their religous beliefs, which you only seem to be extending at any cost. How many more Indians would the Missouri Wildcats have murdered?
dons123111 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism The Black Hawk war was part of the Ute War, not Paiutes that were at Mtn Meadows. I don't know the history of the Utes, I have read the Journals of Dudley Leavitt, John D. Lee and Jacob Hamblin, and read Jaunita Brooks eyewitness account. I am only defending these men, not the entire Mormon Church. Dudley had an Indian wife, and Jacob and John had adopted Indian Children. John was always doing missionary work with them, so was Dudley. Jacob was helping them with agriculture.
dons123111 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Jacobs Brother William helped build the Las Vegas Fort, and also Pipe Springs fort, both were built on the Navajoe Pauite Boundaries. These two tribes had perpetual war and skirmishes, and not many people were safe from a the travelling bands of renegades. The Mormons in the North whatever their motive was I cannot tell, because I am not versed in it. Dudly and William spent days on end reaching out to other tribes too, like the Anastazi and Pueblos.
dons123111 1 year ago
this is outrageous. I always thought the mormons were a pestilent throng, but it seems their treachery knows no bounds.
macmaghnusa 1 year ago
The cowardly and vengeful putrid false church Mormons murdered 120 innocent children, women, and men on September 11, 1857. Pussy Brigham Young allowed the naked bodies to remain in the fields during the winter and spring. Only two queerbait losers were held accountable for the hate crime.
TakeAShowerStinky 1 year ago
At minute we hear "Just after the days of Martial Law....." The wagons entered SLC on August 1. The so-called "Martial Law Declaration" is dated Sept 15th. Except, (as in all things 2 faced in Mormonism) for the August 5th MLD! But the wagons were never told of any MLD. How could they? they were ritualistically murdered on Sept 11. Peculiar indeed is Mormonism! These 2 documents are entirely different. So, just what are the Mormons up to with 2 Martial Law Declarations? Against the USA
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
Mormons are not killers. We believe everyone has a chance. You can be any religion and still be with god. We believe in the Celestial Terrestril and tellestianl kingdoms.
lolizaprox 1 year ago
@lolizaprox : well i'm just curious..is it true that mormons do blood atonement inorder for their souls be acceptable in the kingdom of God?
charbz18 1 year ago
@charbz18 well it depends on your thinking of "blood atonement". We take a sacrament that cleanses our blood and renews our covent with heavnly father. No we do not purposly shed our own blood to be with god. hope that helped. sorry for the miss spells.:)
lolizaprox 1 year ago
@charbz18 No the LDS Church does not do Blood Antonement, this is the year 2010.......things have changed.
lyra2008 1 year ago
yeah and how many Mormons were MURDERED at Independance? How many Mormons were killed at Far West, or Hans Mill? Utah is the only place they could be safe. The wagon train could have gone through Arizona, and also the wagon train was boasting they had the gun that killed their prophet. So i go suggest you go read some history books. Mormonism is a religion Chetzmom,
krsiss 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this. It was really interesting!. As for everyone out there saying that Mormons are evil, I would just like to clarify one thing: I am one and we believe the Gospel is true, however, the members of the church are not perfect. They are just like any person in this world. Please don't blame the church because its not the church. It may simply be the "person" who is in the church. We are all different and please don't judge us for our religion. Thank you
vivicha90 1 year ago
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kramd1 1 year ago
Mormons are a cult and violent, destructive one at that They are violent and hateful.
chetzmom 1 year ago
The Mormons MURDERED these people, they killed women and young children! Mormons are violent killers. I had neighbors who when they found out we were not Mormon, they ley their 8 yr old boys try to trap my 4 yr old son in their barn. Then they allowed their kids to throw large rocks at my kids because "they were going to hell any way".
Mormons are evil.
chetzmom 1 year ago
@chetzmom Wow.. how hideous their behavior... Utah also has the highest sexual assault cases in the nation. go figure...
ripmeanewon 1 year ago
Cite my proof or be labelled a liar ? from who? You? Thats hysterical! The facts speak for themselves pal. Re read the history and pay attention to the facts. Just because you live in an imaginary state of past reality does not make others liars!
jonf1023 1 year ago
If Brigham young or any other apostle been guilty the US army would have nailed them because they did the field investigation. And they would have loved to hang Brigham. Yes I have read John lees confession. He could have turned on Young even at the end. But he listed the real perpetrators. Higby Haight and winslow.
None of us today have a clue about 153 years ago.