Public unions and private unions are two different things. Those teachers in Wisconsin were already making well over $100K plus insane retirement bennies. They were making more than double the average income in that state. It goes far beyond protecting the teachers from poverty or abuse. That governor, along with the people, just suggested reining them in a little. Do you believe that the will of the unions supercedes the will of the people?
@mark1m What was the point of commenting? I don't care about your subjective view of what length my hair should be. If I am ignored for my appearance, then they are discriminatory and not paying attention to the opposing arguments. My hair is not much longer than Ben Franklin's, the main difference being he was balding.
@gormanilius my point is that this is the internet, and this is the stupid stuff ppl say on the net. And honestly, i think your hair is too beautiful for me to take you seriously. Im banned from commenting on lee dorens videos, and i agree with everything you say... but your hair is freaking magical and i cant take you seriously. Honestly, wtf is your shampoo? i cant take my eyes off those long locks.
@mark1m I will take that as a compliment. You know, though, the same can be said about men who won't listen to a woman talk because they are too busy staring at her breasts. Just saying. lol. For the record, I mainly use VO5 Tea Therapy, and its counterpart conditioner. My hair is much shorter though, and may actually be even shorter due to soon possibly getting a job working with food.
@gormanilius oh im totally guilty of getting my gaze caught in a bosom or two (usually two, because they generally come in pairs).
again i would like to comment on your very well thought out opinions.... but that hair... it commands 100% of my attention. It really just steals the show, i would recommend hats for the next video.
@mark1m That is a pointless comment. There is no logical reason why men should be subjected to pointless gender stereotypes about being expected to have short hair.
If conservatives ignore the message of the video because he has long hair then it just goes to show how dumb they are.
I myself am quite flamboyant with my appearance and don't need to define myself on conservative terms. I am not conservative so don't want to look like one, if they criticize my appearance, that is ad hominem.
I'd like to point out you can peacefully assemble without expecting to be paid to protest. Tea partiers didn't lie about being sick to miss work. They can totally assemble, but if it interferes with their work, they shouldn't expect amnesty. No one has a "right" to collectively bargain, especially in the public sector. Bargaining from the government to the government creates a third payer problem with the taxpayers. On second thought, I can't possibly respond to everything in this video.
I was once a liberal, not in the classical sense that I am now, but in your sense. I will tell you brother that the most liberating thing you can do is take responsibility for your own life. The more freedom we have to choose, the better you can make your life. You talk about rights and freedom, but when you are part of some collective you give up a lot of that. Re-examine your beliefs and you might have the same epiphany I had over 15 years ago as a college student.
If you want to persuade people with your arguments, trying taking a few tips from Lee Doren.
Firing up your web cam and starting to babble is ineffective. Make sure you have read the Constitution, are familiar with pertinent statutes, consult some statistics (but actually have the ability to discern some information from the numbers without someone else telling you what to think), provide sources, and shoot for some sort of consistent message..
In Wisconsin there was record, or near record voter turnout for an off Presidential year. Voters in Wisconsin choose a Reagan conservative for Gov and a Tea Party candidate to replace ultra progressive Russ Feingold. Former Gov Doyle and long time Rep and progressive Dave Obey didn't even bother to seek re-election. Despite the media narrative, the change occurring in Wisconsin is what the citizens voted for, what you see on the news is a vocal minority protecting their own pocketbooks.
Someone should point out that it is illegal for a teacher to strike in Wisconsin. Teachers have the right to peaceably assemble on their own time. You're confusing Wisconsin statutes and the Constitution.
In Wisconsin, taxpayers, through their elected representatives, gave public employees the privilege of collective bargaining in 1959. It is a statute, not an amendment to the State Constitution.
The peak of union membership, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, was in 1954. Less than 4 out of 10 wage and salary earners were represented by a union. That is less than 40%. What about the "rights" of the other 60%?
I know we have been told that without unions there would be nothing but tyranny. But remember, most were probably taught by a union member from a text that was likely written by a union member or union sympathizer. I suspect union history has been distorted.
Dude you're an idiot. The solution to fixing a failed social/public system is not by giving it more money..Thats retarded. In America the average cost 8000-10000 per student per year. Private Schools on the other had cost half that much and produce better kids so no the solution is not to give public schools more money you dumbass.
Ohh wow, wow a rebuttal... Typical Liberal responds. Anyways, I invite you to take a look at our public school system and compare it to the private school system.
So what are you anyways? A white liberal who likes sucking nigger cock? That be my guess.
My profession as a timber faller which is possibly the MOST dangerous job you can do.
There are NO unions out in the woods, and we get payed for our ability and our will to work and perform. A good privately employed contract timber faller makes far more money than any grade school teacher...
Unions cause people to become lazy. Then they cannot be terminated for their poor performance. And it just gets worse. . .
I don't think you understand how bad it is to have government workers form a Union. Union Government workers, who get paid a lot more and work a lot less than their public worker counterpart, will always vote for higher benefits and higher pay at the expense of the Tax Payer.
The Public Schools are a Complete failure in America so Teachers or the public school system should be the last to ask for any raise fromt ax payers.
They all need to be replaced with private schools period.
@Budguy68 Why are people like you black and white?
If you don't like some people, you instantly remove them? You don't negotiate, you don't talk to them. No they are bad, remove, delete.
That makes you a moron.
Union sometimes protect themselves too much srewing the tax player, sometimes they failed to fight for something that is basic and fair. Your solutions for situation in favor of unions means they should be destroyed not being able to assembly?
You do you have the right to protest. In Wisconsin it violates state laws to strike because they are public servants. Not such a good idea when they are teaching children during the school year.
Lee Doran doesn't believe in worker's right or Unions. He's a market fundamentalists who thinks Americans should just shut up and be happy that the rich are generous enough to give us a job.
@smpunditz Which makes me wonder just why he thinks this way. It seems very "un-liberating". One form of oppression is just as bad as the others, it just this one is given the seemingly likable name of "Free Market Capitalism".
Public unions and private unions are two different things. Those teachers in Wisconsin were already making well over $100K plus insane retirement bennies. They were making more than double the average income in that state. It goes far beyond protecting the teachers from poverty or abuse. That governor, along with the people, just suggested reining them in a little. Do you believe that the will of the unions supercedes the will of the people?
WilliamTheFriar 1 month ago
Union leaders don't give a shit about the workers kid
AroundSun 4 months ago
Bumbling, and boring.
1uphydro 4 months ago
cut your hippie hair, if you wanna be taken more seriously... those long locks are a good reason for conservatives to ignore you.
mark1m 9 months ago
@mark1m What was the point of commenting? I don't care about your subjective view of what length my hair should be. If I am ignored for my appearance, then they are discriminatory and not paying attention to the opposing arguments. My hair is not much longer than Ben Franklin's, the main difference being he was balding.
gormanilius 9 months ago
@gormanilius my point is that this is the internet, and this is the stupid stuff ppl say on the net. And honestly, i think your hair is too beautiful for me to take you seriously. Im banned from commenting on lee dorens videos, and i agree with everything you say... but your hair is freaking magical and i cant take you seriously. Honestly, wtf is your shampoo? i cant take my eyes off those long locks.
mark1m 9 months ago
@mark1m I will take that as a compliment. You know, though, the same can be said about men who won't listen to a woman talk because they are too busy staring at her breasts. Just saying. lol. For the record, I mainly use VO5 Tea Therapy, and its counterpart conditioner. My hair is much shorter though, and may actually be even shorter due to soon possibly getting a job working with food.
gormanilius 9 months ago
@gormanilius oh im totally guilty of getting my gaze caught in a bosom or two (usually two, because they generally come in pairs).
again i would like to comment on your very well thought out opinions.... but that hair... it commands 100% of my attention. It really just steals the show, i would recommend hats for the next video.
mark1m 9 months ago
@mark1m That is a pointless comment. There is no logical reason why men should be subjected to pointless gender stereotypes about being expected to have short hair.
If conservatives ignore the message of the video because he has long hair then it just goes to show how dumb they are.
I myself am quite flamboyant with my appearance and don't need to define myself on conservative terms. I am not conservative so don't want to look like one, if they criticize my appearance, that is ad hominem.
ec123456789able 1 month ago
I'd like to point out you can peacefully assemble without expecting to be paid to protest. Tea partiers didn't lie about being sick to miss work. They can totally assemble, but if it interferes with their work, they shouldn't expect amnesty. No one has a "right" to collectively bargain, especially in the public sector. Bargaining from the government to the government creates a third payer problem with the taxpayers. On second thought, I can't possibly respond to everything in this video.
fizzingwhizbeee 11 months ago
Gormanilius
I was once a liberal, not in the classical sense that I am now, but in your sense. I will tell you brother that the most liberating thing you can do is take responsibility for your own life. The more freedom we have to choose, the better you can make your life. You talk about rights and freedom, but when you are part of some collective you give up a lot of that. Re-examine your beliefs and you might have the same epiphany I had over 15 years ago as a college student.
massacceleration 11 months ago
Open message to the left:
If you want to persuade people with your arguments, trying taking a few tips from Lee Doren.
Firing up your web cam and starting to babble is ineffective. Make sure you have read the Constitution, are familiar with pertinent statutes, consult some statistics (but actually have the ability to discern some information from the numbers without someone else telling you what to think), provide sources, and shoot for some sort of consistent message..
massacceleration 11 months ago
In Wisconsin there was record, or near record voter turnout for an off Presidential year. Voters in Wisconsin choose a Reagan conservative for Gov and a Tea Party candidate to replace ultra progressive Russ Feingold. Former Gov Doyle and long time Rep and progressive Dave Obey didn't even bother to seek re-election. Despite the media narrative, the change occurring in Wisconsin is what the citizens voted for, what you see on the news is a vocal minority protecting their own pocketbooks.
massacceleration 11 months ago
Gormanilius
Someone should point out that it is illegal for a teacher to strike in Wisconsin. Teachers have the right to peaceably assemble on their own time. You're confusing Wisconsin statutes and the Constitution.
In Wisconsin, taxpayers, through their elected representatives, gave public employees the privilege of collective bargaining in 1959. It is a statute, not an amendment to the State Constitution.
Now, we are seeing the folly in such a statute.
massacceleration 11 months ago
The peak of union membership, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, was in 1954. Less than 4 out of 10 wage and salary earners were represented by a union. That is less than 40%. What about the "rights" of the other 60%?
I know we have been told that without unions there would be nothing but tyranny. But remember, most were probably taught by a union member from a text that was likely written by a union member or union sympathizer. I suspect union history has been distorted.
massacceleration 11 months ago
@sxs0nar
"People" with big nostrils are inferior.
Dude you're an idiot. The solution to fixing a failed social/public system is not by giving it more money..Thats retarded. In America the average cost 8000-10000 per student per year. Private Schools on the other had cost half that much and produce better kids so no the solution is not to give public schools more money you dumbass.
Than you have no business talking about America.
Budguy68 11 months ago
@sxs0nar
Ohh wow, wow a rebuttal... Typical Liberal responds. Anyways, I invite you to take a look at our public school system and compare it to the private school system.
So what are you anyways? A white liberal who likes sucking nigger cock? That be my guess.
Budguy68 11 months ago
The same thing is happening in Ohio. My mother is a teacher.
PandoraLives13 1 year ago
My profession as a timber faller which is possibly the MOST dangerous job you can do.
There are NO unions out in the woods, and we get payed for our ability and our will to work and perform. A good privately employed contract timber faller makes far more money than any grade school teacher...
Unions cause people to become lazy. Then they cannot be terminated for their poor performance. And it just gets worse. . .
o56kid 1 year ago
ew, a girl with facial hair.
flik221 1 year ago
@flik221 He gets laid more than you do. And I think he's very hot. :)
SophiaAtTheDisco 1 year ago 2
I don't think you understand how bad it is to have government workers form a Union. Union Government workers, who get paid a lot more and work a lot less than their public worker counterpart, will always vote for higher benefits and higher pay at the expense of the Tax Payer.
The Public Schools are a Complete failure in America so Teachers or the public school system should be the last to ask for any raise fromt ax payers.
They all need to be replaced with private schools period.
Budguy68 1 year ago
@Budguy68 Why are people like you black and white?
If you don't like some people, you instantly remove them? You don't negotiate, you don't talk to them. No they are bad, remove, delete.
That makes you a moron.
Union sometimes protect themselves too much srewing the tax player, sometimes they failed to fight for something that is basic and fair. Your solutions for situation in favor of unions means they should be destroyed not being able to assembly?
You are stupid, or you have an agenda.
garytcw 1 year ago
@garytcw
Dude, u are completely free to support your stupid unions and the public school system. Just leave me the hell out of it. I want no part of it
I am not saying we should get rid of it. I am just telling you that I don't want to pay a 1$ into it.
So lets make it to where we are all free to individually choose whether or not we want to pay for teacher's salaries though Taxes.
Ohh thats right. u dont believe in indivual freedom cuz ure a fucking nigger loving communist.
Budguy68 1 year ago
You do you have the right to protest. In Wisconsin it violates state laws to strike because they are public servants. Not such a good idea when they are teaching children during the school year.
AllDaCraze 1 year ago
If you are interested, I give my analysis of this issue watch?v=A0AFkNA9SY8
I was blocked by HTWW, so I can't post it to his videos...
loveofphysics 1 year ago
It is ridiculous to call people thugs for organizing to defend their right to organize
loveofphysics 1 year ago 2
Lee Doran doesn't believe in worker's right or Unions. He's a market fundamentalists who thinks Americans should just shut up and be happy that the rich are generous enough to give us a job.
smpunditz 1 year ago
@smpunditz Which makes me wonder just why he thinks this way. It seems very "un-liberating". One form of oppression is just as bad as the others, it just this one is given the seemingly likable name of "Free Market Capitalism".
gormanilius 1 year ago