Glenn Beck...Margaret Sanger and today

[patsaxon]

Margaret Sanger was a saint, as many can not afford to have children. I say use condoms, than end up using abortion.

[checkyoursources]

Beck seems incapable of identifying the difference between voluntary contraception, which is an individual's choice, and forced contraception which isn't. He even said that people choosing to have less kids is "the same thing, its just not the state coming in and killing your child."?! It seems Beck would prefer women to have no choice in how many kids they have. I bet he would ban condoms too. What a tosser he is!

[MegaBeerwolf]

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[crabtrap]

@checkyoursources Beck is correct here (and no i don't like him).sanger was for forced and state sponsored sterilization.condoms and the pill did not exist for most of sangers life. please research hrer writings before 1950. she had the same goals as nazi scientists

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap the last sentence is incorrect.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux grammatically yes. Historically no.

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap Historically no, it is incorrect. The idea of breeding a master race is not the same as improving the human race as a whole.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux i'm sorry yellow but you obviously don't know the history of eugenics. Hitler took eugenics ques directly from US/Brit scientists. Sanger was part of that research. your false distinction is properly known as "negative eugenics" and "positive eugenics" both were touted by Sanger and the Nazis.

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap Actually Sanger rejected positive eugenics as impractical. And again the NAZis wanted to create a master race, while sanger wanted a healthier human race as a whole. Sorry but those are two different goals. They are both eugenic goals, but they are still different goals. I'm sorry but different is different, not the same. This doesn't change no matter how much you claim others are ignorant of history.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux not trying to be a dick but you're wrong. positive eug is the process of picking a mate with desirable treats for offspring. negative eug is the process of terminating a bloodline or fetus with undesirable traits (this covers abortion,sterilization etc). Sanger is on record supporting both as are the nazis. neg eug was used on the jews while pos eug was used for the "wunder kind" Aryan children breeders. but again the nazi's only mirrored what US/Brits were doing in the 1920's

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap Again no Sanger is not on the record promoting positive eugenics. & Again the goals of the NAZIs was a master race, while Sanger's goal was a healthier human race. That is to say that these are two separate goals, ie not the same goal. & I don't deny that the NAZIs were influenced by anyone, but it's not a relevant point so save your keyboard & stop repeating it.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux so your point is she promoted neg eugenics,the most vile act of the human race??? btw hitler didn't want a "master-race" he touted it as a healthier human race too. there is absolutely no difference in the idea. so I'm guessing at this point you believe "ya we should only breed certain bloodlines...this would improve the planet" etc etc. i'm i correct on that ??

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap No my point was that she did not have the same goal as the NAZIs . Negative eugenics is a concept not an action. Hitler did want a pure master race, this is well known. If you don't see how wanting to have a master race is different than wanting a healthier human race is different, I can't help you. & No I am not a proponent of positive eugenics, your guess is incorrect & baseless.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux despite all evidence to the contrary,you insist on stating facts that are false. you are focusing on Sangers mindset NOT her actual actions. eugenics was/is a pseudo-science based on based on arbitrary traits. as i stated hitler wanted a "healthy" "improved" race of humans,Sanger wanted to "do away with human weeds" her words not mine. my claim of you being for eugenics is not "baseless",you clearly are implying that sanger's goal was which you have shown no evidence to support

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap Again Hitlers race was on ethnicity not the entirety of the human race, again if you fail to see the difference I can not help you. "do away with human weeds" are your words. & again your assumption that I support positive eugenics is baseless, no matter how much you repeat it & Sanger also did not support positive eugenics.Everything I have said is true & no one's presented evidence to the contrary. In summery a lie is a lie, no matter how much you repeat it.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux the weeds quote is from sanger NOT me. you can scroll down this comment page and read many of her quotes and look them up for yourself. i would like to hear your personal definition of "positive eugenics" as positive eugenics is by far the lesser of two evils.

also hitler based the racial issue on what his scientist deemed inferior traits,which is exactly what sanger endorsed. you never answered me Q about your envy of sanger either

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap No that quote is from you NOT  Sanger, which is why you can't provide an actual source for it. Positive eugenics is to promote the propagation of positive attributes, as opposed to negative eugenics which discourages negative attributes. Hitler based his racial issues on racism & he formed them before he had scientists at his disposal. I can not answer your question because you have not asked it yet & thus I'm incapable of knowing what it is.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”

direct quote from sangers writings. now tell me again how she did not advocate for racial bias.and how does this differ from Hitlers Jewish solution??

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap So you have a quote that may or may not be real, that states she didn't want people to believe something that there is not evidence for. Here's the thing how would she attempt to eliminate the black pop without them noticing? Providing them with contraception would be the dumbest attempt at genocide ever attempted. So for all i know shee anticipated your conspiracy theory. Of course you could prove this quote is real & in context simple by digitizing the doc in LOC.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux you can easily verify by yourself by googling the quote and finding the exact source of when she made it(utube won't let me post links). but i fear you don't want to know the truth of sanger.the facts i have given you are common knowledge of any historian or genetics based scientist. if you're a fan of sangers eugenics/genocide based theories....well it's a free country but if you don't know her back story perhaps you should do some research on her version "a healthy humanity".

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap NO I can't every time I Google it or the source I get over 10 million hits all for your bullshit conspiracy theory, all including the same fabricated quotes & quote mines. SO it leaves me to assume that this "fact" you have given me is just like all the other "facts" that you use to support your position, That is too say another lie or deceptive quote mine. & What research should I do? Research in how to lobotomize myself so I'm too stupid to check sources?

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux you obviously are married to the idea that Sanger was some type of hero.you clearly no little of her history other then what the planned parenthood pamphlet told you. Please read "war against the weak" by Edwin Black. it he has been recognized with dozens of book awards internationaly. his book on eugenics is so riveting that is now being released as a film which has won many independent film awards also. It is focused on the broader eugenics movement but sanger's qoutes are there

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap No I just know actual history, I know how to check sources & I don't believe everything I read. & I don't take book recommendations from people on subjects which they have stated blatant falsehoods about. Just tell me is that book where you got the "human weeds" quote from? Did it give a source? Is that source verifiable? Accurate? Seriously this might surprise you but not every book that confirms your beliefs is true.

[crabtrap]

@yellowkrux apparently you don't know history or you would understand the differences between neg/pos eugenics you would also know the history of Sanger. i have pointed out that sources for Sangers quotes can be found lower on this comment page.you choose to ignore that. I point you to an award winning author who has been recognized world wide for his research.you ignore that. only an idiot argues with a fool,so i bid you good day.

[yellowkrux]

@crabtrap I know the history of Sanger, I explained the difference between positive & negative eugenics, I never asked for sources & you keep refusing to answer questions on this "award winning" book, you recommend. Is this book where you got the fabricated "Human weeds" quote? Does it give sources? Did you check those sources? Are you too stupid to answer simple yes or no questions as well as too stupid to check sources? & It's actually only an idiot argues with a sophomore

[unclepete813]

fk margaret sanger I hope she getting rape in the after life and all her nazi bloodline catch hell. they all related obama bush queen, sanger, rockafeller, sick beastly people of the reptilian draconians

[sttnta1]

Women do have control over their bodies, they can say NO....

[substentic]

Oh, she did point out that blacks specifically were genetically "unfit."

[MysteryManoLove]

Your right, Margret Sanger advocated exterminating black people, disgraceful that this author doesn't know this.

[yellowkrux]

When/where?

[substentic]

Here's something she wrote in a letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble dated Dec. 19, 1939, "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

[valmorgan]

apparently they want us to be mexican.