Sorry, y'all. I'm a fucking yank who had the privilege of meeting both Cardiacs and Pixies's first album engineer Steve Albini before the end of 1986. CARDIACS CAME FIRST. Anybody who hears Pixies influence in CARDIACS is just hearing what they are able to hear. Pixies weren't even in the conversation up to "Tarred and Feathered" and "Is This The Life." Just not even known. Pixies come WAY LATER. Deal with it.
planet gong came soon after cardiacs formed, they all hung out together, cardiacs didnt become known until 78/9 but gong knew them and gong had gone stale before that, camembert was their last great album before planet gong
i wonder what Tims opinion regarding the current X Factor predicament is? Wonder whether he's got a favourite in mind? Personally, i think they should have a Cardiacs evening, where all the "hopefulls" deliver flawless renditions of Cardiacs classics. I think Fiery Gun Hand would suit the format quite nicely....
only only thing stands out as something i wouldn't personally endorse, guitarist wow ! lyrics fantastic...but ermm excuse me..Pixies ? after not before, the Pixies, Gong and a few other bands have claimed inspiration from this amazing band...brilliant , fantastic band..
agree most of the cardiacs influences come from late 60s,early 70s like gong,gentle giant,bowie ,vdgg,scar bands,peter hammill etc just like most of todays good bands,the pixies are good but more of a pop band
TBH there is no comparison between mainstream bands like the Pixies, etc., and Cardiacs.
No disrespect to the Pixies, but they are simply a fairly normal good-quality rock band, solidly normal actually. Nothing in their catalogue remotely approaches songs like 'The Everso Closely Guarded Line' or 'Buds and Spawn' by Cardiacs.
Frankly, Tim Smith is a genius, comparable to Schubert or Louis Armstrong. There is no one like him in contemporary music.
I agree that the Cardiacs are awesome and Tim Smith is a genius but I wouldn't denegrate the pixies as "a fairly normal good-quality rock band". It's hard to compare but The Cardiacs stand alone whereas the pixies influenced many great bands - take your pick but any true alternative music fan should love at least 1 or both!!
Cardiacs are massively influential but are just a bit too advanced/weird for general audiences. A bit like Allan Holdsworth - a musician's musician.
I agree that the Pixies' sound, atmosphere and music is distinctive and they are also influential. They are bit too straightforward in terms of their chord progressions/tunes for my taste though.
@FrankTownsend A true alternative music fan would want an alternative to "alternative" music. Thank god for Cardiacs. They are the alternative that alternative music needs!!!
@GuyfromScotland " Frankly, Tim Smith is a genius, comparable to Schubert or Louis Armstrong. There is no one like him in contemporary music. "
That quote is not to be scoffed at either. Cardiacs and every off shoot from them, to do with Tim Smith at least, is unlike anything i have ever heard. Favourite bands of mine have come and gone over the years, but without equal, Cardiacs will probably be the only band i will listen to all the time until i die. They NEVER gets dull, it is beautiful !
Help me !, I can't get this song out of my head, it kicks the shit outta the Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins etc .... Cardiacs get into your head and NEVER leave !!!. Hi's to All the MySpace Lesbian Chatroom girls, Chauncey, Raven, Franno, Ruca .. I love you all .x x x .
Cardiacs just play tunes that make their stomachs feel funny, I doubt they much care who's being influence by who, i know i certainly don't, what wonderful flowery music.
@jibberandtwitch -they know well their influences. And they care about them. At least cared enough to talk passionately about them all in 1986. But I doubt if they care if you know what they know.
Cardaics might have been going alot longer , But take their back catalogue from toy world to the live bootlegs at roehampton vale 1982. to the big ship in 1986, and nothing on any of these sounds anything like the pixies , But this track from the album Guns has alot to owe to The Pixies
I can see where you are coming from, but, I might argue that cardiacs/pixies come from different schools of musical thought (albeit both on the avant guard fringe). I think the pixies have a more organic approach, if you will, and I doubt that there was any conscious or cultural influence going on here. But hey, what do I know?
also when bill, sarah all jumped ship, then they was down to a 4 piece their sound changed and was less theatrical and became alot more harder faster punk edge to their tunes, you could hear alot of difference, so thats why i hear alot more pixies in their style, Also when they changed to a 4 piece and even before with sea nymphs they had a more flowing edge to their style with far less, theatrical fairground approach to their song style
vindaloo embraces patriotism. just being proud to be english. no facist overtones. every other nation on earth is proud to be but only the english get stick. it's not a contradiction to be a patriot and a liberal.
akf 2000 i cant post this on your brilliant vindaloo video because you have blocked me so maybe you'll see this. you obviously think that you are superior to everyone else yet you put a working class anthem like vindaloo up? you assumed by the comments that i left that i was some kind of yob. well you were wrong. wanker.
Get well Tim, we need ya!
Sravandrabellagola 8 months ago
I've only just realized how mind bending and beautiful this songs is, it is very mind bending and beautiful.
mioluce 9 months ago
Nothing comes close to The Cardiacs, nothing!! :-)
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bluefinger43 1 year ago
Sorry, y'all. I'm a fucking yank who had the privilege of meeting both Cardiacs and Pixies's first album engineer Steve Albini before the end of 1986. CARDIACS CAME FIRST. Anybody who hears Pixies influence in CARDIACS is just hearing what they are able to hear. Pixies weren't even in the conversation up to "Tarred and Feathered" and "Is This The Life." Just not even known. Pixies come WAY LATER. Deal with it.
Satyagrahaha 1 year ago
planet gong came soon after cardiacs formed, they all hung out together, cardiacs didnt become known until 78/9 but gong knew them and gong had gone stale before that, camembert was their last great album before planet gong
seasider1962 1 year ago
Probably my favourite from 'Guns'. The key change melody after the first verse really tickles me.
Davewood88 1 year ago
i wonder what Tims opinion regarding the current X Factor predicament is? Wonder whether he's got a favourite in mind? Personally, i think they should have a Cardiacs evening, where all the "hopefulls" deliver flawless renditions of Cardiacs classics. I think Fiery Gun Hand would suit the format quite nicely....
nonpoint418 2 years ago 2
only only thing stands out as something i wouldn't personally endorse, guitarist wow ! lyrics fantastic...but ermm excuse me..Pixies ? after not before, the Pixies, Gong and a few other bands have claimed inspiration from this amazing band...brilliant , fantastic band..
SusaninHarlech 2 years ago
agree most of the cardiacs influences come from late 60s,early 70s like gong,gentle giant,bowie ,vdgg,scar bands,peter hammill etc just like most of todays good bands,the pixies are good but more of a pop band
mrprogrock1 2 years ago
@mrprogrock1 - I mean, yeah. but you didn't mention Genesis or Sex Pistols and most of the rest of it.
Satyagrahaha 1 year ago
cardiac fans check out new band called everything everything on my space,best short song band in ages
mrprogrock1 2 years ago
@mrprogrock1 I'm enjoying it!
Davewood88 1 year ago
@SusaninHarlech Gong gained inspiration ? Gong are just about 10-12 years pre Cardiacs !
metric1977 1 year ago
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SusaninHarlech 2 years ago
The guitarist is totally awesome, and so is the song!
SenoritaKackbratze 2 years ago
TBH there is no comparison between mainstream bands like the Pixies, etc., and Cardiacs.
No disrespect to the Pixies, but they are simply a fairly normal good-quality rock band, solidly normal actually. Nothing in their catalogue remotely approaches songs like 'The Everso Closely Guarded Line' or 'Buds and Spawn' by Cardiacs.
Frankly, Tim Smith is a genius, comparable to Schubert or Louis Armstrong. There is no one like him in contemporary music.
GuyfromScotland 2 years ago 25
I agree that the Cardiacs are awesome and Tim Smith is a genius but I wouldn't denegrate the pixies as "a fairly normal good-quality rock band". It's hard to compare but The Cardiacs stand alone whereas the pixies influenced many great bands - take your pick but any true alternative music fan should love at least 1 or both!!
FrankTownsend 2 years ago
Cardiacs are massively influential but are just a bit too advanced/weird for general audiences. A bit like Allan Holdsworth - a musician's musician.
I agree that the Pixies' sound, atmosphere and music is distinctive and they are also influential. They are bit too straightforward in terms of their chord progressions/tunes for my taste though.
GuyfromScotland 2 years ago
@FrankTownsend A true alternative music fan would want an alternative to "alternative" music. Thank god for Cardiacs. They are the alternative that alternative music needs!!!
Satyagrahaha 1 year ago
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JifHall 1 year ago
@GuyfromScotland You said there is no comparison, then you went on to comparing them. Haha
JifHall 1 year ago
@GuyfromScotland And don´t forget Zappa
MartinfdeZ81 4 months ago
@GuyfromScotland " Frankly, Tim Smith is a genius, comparable to Schubert or Louis Armstrong. There is no one like him in contemporary music. "
That quote is not to be scoffed at either. Cardiacs and every off shoot from them, to do with Tim Smith at least, is unlike anything i have ever heard. Favourite bands of mine have come and gone over the years, but without equal, Cardiacs will probably be the only band i will listen to all the time until i die. They NEVER gets dull, it is beautiful !
bartram1952 1 month ago
@GuyfromScotland And dont forget Richard D James!
broom2000 2 weeks ago in playlist cardiacs
Help me !, I can't get this song out of my head, it kicks the shit outta the Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins etc .... Cardiacs get into your head and NEVER leave !!!. Hi's to All the MySpace Lesbian Chatroom girls, Chauncey, Raven, Franno, Ruca .. I love you all .x x x .
LucidityOfReality 2 years ago 4
Jim is a terribly underrated and overlooked Bassist
zombiegod 2 years ago 3
I agree 100% !
Dmanlamius76 2 years ago
I love the sense of total mania in Cardiacs
jonnywotsit 2 years ago
Cardiacs just play tunes that make their stomachs feel funny, I doubt they much care who's being influence by who, i know i certainly don't, what wonderful flowery music.
jibberandtwitch 3 years ago
and so do crashtv. One day we will be that scary-good.
crashtv 3 years ago
@jibberandtwitch -they know well their influences. And they care about them. At least cared enough to talk passionately about them all in 1986. But I doubt if they care if you know what they know.
Satyagrahaha 1 year ago
Christ, the Pixies were great and the Cardiacs are great, end of story.
This is a fantastic track and all you indie kids out there should watch and learn.
By the way, get well soon Mr Smith, thousands are rooting for ya!
FrankTownsend 3 years ago 13
Not just indie kids, my bands heavily influenced by the cardiacs and we're post punk:D
Floodinglake 3 years ago
@Floodinglake - post punk is not post pond!
Satyagrahaha 1 year ago
i dont mind Cardiacs at all, But fucking hell how much does this song owe to The Pixies
pressgangers 3 years ago
It's the other way 'round actually.
adamg709 3 years ago
Explain why the other way around
pressgangers 3 years ago
They predate the Pixies by a considerable amount of time.
mattstagger 3 years ago
Cardaics might have been going alot longer , But take their back catalogue from toy world to the live bootlegs at roehampton vale 1982. to the big ship in 1986, and nothing on any of these sounds anything like the pixies , But this track from the album Guns has alot to owe to The Pixies
pressgangers 3 years ago
I can see where you are coming from, but, I might argue that cardiacs/pixies come from different schools of musical thought (albeit both on the avant guard fringe). I think the pixies have a more organic approach, if you will, and I doubt that there was any conscious or cultural influence going on here. But hey, what do I know?
mattstagger 3 years ago 4
also when bill, sarah all jumped ship, then they was down to a 4 piece their sound changed and was less theatrical and became alot more harder faster punk edge to their tunes, you could hear alot of difference, so thats why i hear alot more pixies in their style, Also when they changed to a 4 piece and even before with sea nymphs they had a more flowing edge to their style with far less, theatrical fairground approach to their song style
pressgangers 3 years ago
fucking idiot
wigmeistergeneral 2 years ago
Contrary to what you may think, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Rhademanthus 2 years ago
@pressgangers - zero. How much do the Sex Pistols owe to Green Day? Same. Zero.
Satyagrahaha 1 year ago 2
Where has it gone? Bring it back :o( Bloody Nazis ;oP
euruski 4 years ago
We're not worthy.
JazzySimpleton 4 years ago
....I need this.
jonh2o 4 years ago
"the"? Bad man.
crashtv 5 years ago
You're not fooling anyone, by the very fact that you're reading this.
Paclypto 5 years ago
vindaloo embraces patriotism. just being proud to be english. no facist overtones. every other nation on earth is proud to be but only the english get stick. it's not a contradiction to be a patriot and a liberal.
stude 5 years ago
you're talking a load of shit, you thick twat
oldfashionedman 5 years ago
Yeah that's a crock of bullshit, Americans take a lot of shit for loveing America.
Jaussy 3 years ago
akf 2000 i cant post this on your brilliant vindaloo video because you have blocked me so maybe you'll see this. you obviously think that you are superior to everyone else yet you put a working class anthem like vindaloo up? you assumed by the comments that i left that i was some kind of yob. well you were wrong. wanker.
stude 5 years ago
twat
crashtv 5 years ago
Coolest band ever! Thanks for posting
drgonzo2012 5 years ago