The man in black suit used to be a monk, see how he bad mouths HH. He should look at himself first ...he violated the very basic vows of a monk and insulted the very foundation of buddhism and still talking about religion?.
i can guarantee all this ppl protesting against His Holiness is jus a fuckin slave of chinese....u ppl r such a shame 2 tibetan community.....fuckin chinese faggot...
I know about his role. He is the temporal and religious leader of Tibetan Buddhists. He belongs to the Gelug school buth he´s trying to preserve the whole Tibetan Buddhist tradition, four schools, five , if you include the Bon tradition. That is his responsibility. The head of Gelug school is Ganden Tripa.
The Shugden practice has stopped in the Gelug monasteries. Gelug lamas agree on this. The Dalai Lama is fully supported in his view by the monastic communities.
dalai lama has no support from any monastic communities because he does not represent real buddhism at all. in real buddhism, it is the ideas behind the teachings that matter more than some living god. the system in tibet is very different from buddhist teachings of peace and acceptance of peoples differences. definitely not the race purifications that is proposed by dalai lama
dalai must be wet dreaming. all schools support him? let me see some written papers. then it must be schools in india. there is no religious prosecution? the ds practioners just filed a lawsuit against dalai lama recently for religious prosecution. aj dismissed these claims in 1998? then why they made an hour long video of prosecution of dorje shugden religion ten yrs later? aj must be nuts and repeating himself. dalai lama's best defense is ds is all commie financed propaganda. ha, ha,
Go to Amnesty International Document - China (1998) if you want to know their position on "alleged abuses against worshippers of Tibetan deity Dorje Shugden."
people should realize that tibet has multiple religions and dalai only represents one division of buddhism and he does not have the right to tell people not to pratice other types
@Varavaken go search wikipedia or read any books about religions in tibet or budhism. dalai only represents a the yellow hat sector in tibetant buddhism and he should not have any political powers at all. the video shows the perfect example of what happens when politics is combined with religion because the leader would use his power to eliminate other religious beliefs.
yes they have the right to protest, but what the heck are they protesting for?? The dalai lama doesn't' practice shugten and advices his people to abstain from it because it brings harm, he never took the freedom of religion from people who practice this, so why are they exactly protesting, he never ordered people to invade shugten practitioners home etc, tibetan people mad the choice of staying away from shugten people because the shugten people have killed a number of dalai lama followers.
I was scared to leave NKT. I thought my merit would run out; they frightened me into thinking that leaving would be the worst possible thing ever. Well I want to tell anyone reading this that leaving was the best thing I have ever done and I am far happier outside than I was ever inside. I am connecting with people again, feeling true to myself for the first time in years.
Hold on, just hold on. I promise you with all my heart it does get better.
the truth will come out...its not about tibet / china issue, the dalai lama is to blame. dorje shugden practice will become mainstream, not just in china, but the entire world.
Just wanted to inform all that there is a newly launched website which is very informative, serpommonastery(dot)org. It is very inspiring to read about how this monastery started. There are many other sections such as news, monastic programs etc. Do check it out.
DS is completely represented by WSS. No one talked about DS in the west until WSS did.
NKT is WSS, from conception through today.
This new attempt to portray NKT as suddenly Dalai Lama-friendly comes too late, unfortunately.
If NKT has had a change of policy and heart, it will have to spend as many years (or more) counteracting its original propaganda as it did generating it.
Well mine is no different if ds has helped you i request you to make it known to the world. ds is not bad! DS only concern is that we all be happy..... long term.
More info can be found in their forums.. check itout
checked the forums I didn't even know this issue was soo huge for the tibetans. Here in the west all we know is the dalai lama.
He is soo kind and compassionate, well the side i have seen all these years. I hope i can be so bold as to say I'm sure HHDL has his reasons and they can never be ill intended.
I think I shall be one ot those people who will sit on the fence and see how everything pans out.
When is the WSS going to open up their videos to comments? Or are they afraid of the opinions of the larger Buddhist community?
In one of the videos on WSS's site, a young NKT Buddhist says 'There is no practice without him (shugden).
Clearly the NKT has recruited the least experienced of their students for these protests, who have no knowledge of Buddhist history and the fact that Shugden came well after the time of Tzongkhapa.
WSS please open your vids to comment for honest dialogue.
If anyone is really keen to know who is this DORJE SHUGDEN that the Dalai Lama seems to have such a huge love for and keeps on publicizing him to everyone... go to dorjeshugden(dot)com
Don't just listen to rumours and believe what anyone tell you, find out who this BAD DUDE is.
@thepurpleaster : The site dorjeshugden(dot)com is very informative. All you ever wanted to know about Dorje Shugden . And more. Thank you for pointing us there.
Tibetans are too attached, sorry to say to this their pain and suffering they've experienced. Too deep in their roots in relying upon just one person to shoulder all their hopes and well responsibilities. So long as they keep at this thinking, Tibetans although famous for their religious practice which is suppose to be Buddhism, I am afraid not many do actually practice the Dharma/laws of cause and effect. Unless they can believe and accept their karma, they will have no peace.
indeed all these bans and dramas going about the entire world isnt making any sides look better but what can we get from Tibet which can help heal both parties and benefit the world.
let's focus on it's buddhist teachings. I got these from dorjeshugden{dot}com
IF YOU DON'T WANT CHINA TO CREATE PROPAGANDA... THEN STOP THE DORJE SHUGDEN BAN. SIMPLE! DORJE SHUGDEN CANNOT HARM THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN REFUGE IN THE THREE JEWELS IF HE IS TRULY A SPIRIT. OR IS HE NOT? Loads of info at dorjeshugden(dot)com about this protector who is Manjushri!!!
I for one am not a Big FAN of China. But you know what all this demonstration and baning DS hooha is not really making both sides look any better.
LOOK if we condemn the Dalai Lama, it's going to look like we are the same as those TGIE and the world is sympathetic with the Dalai Lama. Dorje Shugden have never once said go against the Dalai lama. In fact he encourages us to be patient and don't disrespect the Dalai lama and that all will be revealed. dorjeshugden(dot)com
This is such obvious Chinese propaganda. The western tibetan nun was criticizing the Chinese media's misrepresentation of the Dalai Lama, She says, "Have an open mind and not be fooled by the media image that's presented of the Dalai Lama." Her comments are taken completely out of context.
dalai lama If you say one thing to everyone in the West, but in your own backyard you engage in systematic calculated political religious repression, then what is the world to think?
Chinese have, for many different reasons, befouled their nests and must seek to adopt the survival strategies of the cuckoo bird. Tibetan high lamas who held unquestioned authority in Tibet--Tibetans giving them respect, power and life's savings made the choice to put lineage and position above the law of karma. The Dalai Lama is the rebel from this clique of power and pelf; he knows Shugden cult inside out and we, Buddhists, thank him. Shugdenists and CCP have a common cause: Tibetans don't.
They are Tibetan Buddhists, not Tibetan monks. The title is not entirely true. Tibetan monks cannot against Dalai, because they don't have the rights to. Dalai is their king. Just be truthful and resourceful.
I personally don't think Dalai is evil, he wants more power which is a very nature thing for human. Americans help him because it's good for political strategies. Anyway, it's complicated. Don't mess with politics, it sucks.
I don't think it was very smart of you to say a humble spiritual man want "POWER". Just just shot yourself in the foot because that is exactly what WSS is saying that all Dalai Lama wants is power!
FREE TIBET,Free China from its backward brainwashing, totalitarian ultra-nationalist national socialist government.Human rights for China,Freedom for Tibet.
Indian High court in New Delhi is summoning Dalai Lama to court due to his unconstitutional ban on the ancient practice of Dorje Shugden on his own people.
In India where there are so many religions and their subsects, it is unheard of that a secular/religious leader can issue such a ban.
It has shocked the Indian psyche.
Preliminary hearings have began.
Aljazeera news has a special report. It is posted on the youtube.
Chinese want to denounce japanese for what they did in nanjing. that is fair, but they want to wipe out from history what they did in tibet, specially in amdo and kham regions. it was the worst holocaust, worse than nanjing. CHinese bastards, get the fuck out of Tibet!!
see..here u go, its bs if others suffer, and its REAL only when you suffer. that speaks for you and your masters. this is the kind of attitutede that makes others say what happend in naniing is also bs.
Well, I don't care if you or anyone else thinks what happened in Nanjing is bs. If there was really a genocide in Tibet, it would still pale in comparison to what happened in Nanjing.
well..what can i say to a brainwashed idiots like u? look outside the box, if you value your pain and freedom, let Tibetans have theirs too. they simply don't want to live under china, can't u see it?? but i am telling you, its only a time before ur country explodes into a thousand Tian an Men incidends and uprisings in many provinces. Then u will remember what i am saying to you now..u can fool and control people for some time, but not forever.
Well, as long as China continues developing, your dream is still shattered. And from the looks of how the world is going right now, it's not looking that great for you. Many thought the financial crisis would burst China's "economic bubble", but now, many see this time as China's great leap forward in terms of catching up.
I know people like you would love nothing more than chaos in China. But guess what, Chinese aren't trouble-makers like you. We're productive.
Ch1neseDrag0n , you are a bug in this life itself. in your next life you will "reincarnated" again as chinese animal and keep trying to get to US or some other western country..all the 'protesters' here are chinese paid jokers, chinese are prisoners in their own country.
I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
fucking christ, you again!? i can copy and paste too
I submit to you, that despite all these horrible things you mention, the PRC is still better for the Xi Zang people than the Lamaist aristocrats. The Tibetan people can get an education often for free and have (I shit you not) MORE FREEDOM under the Chinese flag than the proposed theocracy of the dalai lama.
I consider myself quite liberal, but I am ashamed of how hippies in America accept the lies by the Western media.
Furthermore, sumtingwung, I suspect from your (closed) account, that you are an American Republican, so you should appreciate the following:
Tibet falls in a similar situation as Xin Jiang. Xin Jiang is an semi-autonomous state exactly like Tibet whose religious minority also seeks freedom from Chinese "tyranny." If Tibet gains independence, you will find Xin Jiang will want the same. The Xin Jiang Muslim extremists (who the Chinese police brutally suppress) support Osama bin Laden.
This American white guy has been to China several times, thinks communism is retarded, supports reasonable capitalism, votes Democratic, grew up in a union household, supports green efforts...
And totally loves the Chinese culture and thanks China for keeping in check the religious extremist Muslims of Xin Jiang and the oppressive Lamaists of Xi Zang (Tibet) from establishing more theocracies.
fuck these monks i wanna fuck u all!~~~u stop lying !~~ur religideon is the devil,Dalailama trying to save u!wake up stupid monks!~!~~~open your eyes and look at urself,and u'll see how sick u are!~~~fuck !~~~long live DALAILAMA!~~
These fake western monk and nuns don't even care about tibetan buddhism. they are just hired to put on these robes to protest. They just go where the money is. Dalai lama is the voice and hope for millions of tibetans in Tibet, and these fake monks and nuns are trying to silince it. Dalai Lama is right, they are spirit worshipers. No wonder china is actively supporting them.
If you truely want to practise shugden for the benefit of all people this is not they way to go about your cause even if there are threatening or violent opposals. Otherwise you dont believe in karma. Also holding onto a practise so tightly isn't Buddhism and clearly holds no wisdom of change. I repect all shugden practitioners and wish them Happiness in all future lives, may all be enlightened for the benefit of others.
on the contrary, we do believe in karma and this isnt just about our own right to protest. we have taken vows to protect people and that includes the Shugden practitioners in India and Tibet who are being persecuted but ignored by the worlds media. If you saw someone being victimised and bullied on the street would it be Buddhist to walk on by and refuse to come to their aid?
Is it Buddhist to take no action? Or is it Buddhist to help beings that you perceive to be suffering?
If it is right to protest against the PRCs brutal subjugation of the Tibetan people - which it is - surely it is also right to protest against the Dalai Lamas subjugation of sections of his own people. Both are permitted.
You cant have it both ways without being a hypocrite.
The Dalai Lama has spoken about shugden practise, just like Maitreya who was a Bohdisattva in the time of Buddha Shakyamuni incarnated to show the way of a Bohdisattva H.H practised shugden to show us the downfalls of the practise and why we shouldn't. As someone who follows the Buddha and who Believes H.H DL is the Buddha of Compassion we should repect his advice. Taking sides or calling him a liar is a total lack of wisdom and gratitude for his teachings.
Well thats fine. You believe the DL is Avolakiteshvara, so you respect his advice.
Personally I cant see how his actions are consistent with that belief so I reserve the right not to.
And if he truly believes in religious freedom, tolerance and compassion (as the Buddha of Compassion should do) he will make an announcement that categorically offers his protection to the shugden worshippers. Then his supporters might leave them alone....
Trying to make the Dalai Lama look like a hypocrite is total B.S. There isn't a person on the planet more committed to peaceful co-existence.
here is the "strategy" of this approach to discredit:
1)Mao orders infiltration of Buddhist monasteries.lots of fake monks,even a "monk factory"
2)PRC uses nut jobs like this nun (like Jim Jones used people to do mass suicide as "Mission")2whine2the world when HHDL calls them out on many bad things,i.e.murder
yeah the stupid "free tibet" people, don't even know where Tibet. watch the video on that. they are so ignorant, believe so blindly. they dont even realize the Dalai lama's advisors and closest friends were Hitler's top officers and friends.google it and visit the museum or achives where this imformation can be found.
I see many rubbish comments from people here saying that the protestors were paid by the chinese government. They are not even living in China, they are protesting in New York for God's sake!
Please remember that the most basic human rights are rights to survive(be fed, clothed, sheltered, educated and able to make a living to bring up a family and also protected from being cannibalised by outside hostile, lowerly and evil forces). China has alot more to do but has done this quite well and no human right organisations, ngos,UN and all western countries combined have done more as far as these basic human rights are concerned.
At first Amnesty fight for human rights in the whole World and in every Country !
second , I have dozend of Videos and Books about Tibets History and the Occupation of China because a lot of brave Europeans were there make films and take photos , films and reports from the tibetians !!!
That has nothing to do with Antichinastuff !!
I also can give you a horrible reprort about Germany 1930-45 , or about Stalins Russia a.s.o. The point is to talk and report about cruelness Barbarism !
These basic human rights mentioned above are those most important and require the most heavy lifting work and are all done by the Chinese govt. It is very easy and cheap for hamn rights fanatics to talk and shout slogans and bash in the limelights as doing the greatest things. To me most of these people are either opportunists, bandwagon riders or birdbained.
While their causes are honourable I suspect their motive are probably not. Of course there good genuine Hr activists but I hope they are not so narrow minded.
1: I never said that no shugdens in Europe or USA , I said they are supported by Chinese Gouvernment, becauase they always made trouble in the Buddhism World nearly since more than 300 years. So they always against the Dalai Lama. The Fact that Chinas media know reports about monks who argue against the Dalai lama is pure propaganda.
no, you said the shugden can fly here and there, must be funded by CCP, then i'm telling you they don't need to fly, therefore your conclusion for CCP funding shugden is wrong.
3, i never asked you to shut up, you can talk, but i'll point out your mistake, you are upset and trying to defend your mistake by calling me communist.
again i'm telling you, there are tens of thousands of shugdens in europe and american, then don't have to fly after DLLM, there are plenty protesters waiting for him in his destination.
The answer is very very simple . China takes 30 000 CCP agents for the censorship in China and Europe , wich means they manipulate , lie , a.s.o. This monks simply paid by the chinese Gouvernment , thats it .
It was the same like the comunism Partys in germany 1960-80 , the are all supported by the UDSSR ort the DDR .
it is useless to defend yourself with your stupid reasons, how come CCP censor european website when all european server providers are non-ccp?
i'm telling you again, i'm not ccp, i pointed out your mistake, if you want to defend yourself, then put evidences forword such as: there is no shugdens in EU or USA, go ahead.
1.there were no9 feudalism in Tibet , the People loves their lamas!!
2.1,2 Million Tibetian nuns and monks killed, tortured and imprisoned since 1949 from the Chinese Occupators. 100 Thousends of tibetian Women are forced steriliced since today!
-more than 6000 monasteries are destroyed by the chinese Armee.
-The Tibetian Language was forbidden to speak in school,100 thousends of monks were forced educated!!
Considering the fact that the population of Tibetans was just over 1 million in 1950s and now over 6 millions, th CCP can't be that bad. If the CCP was one-fifth as bad as the Nazi towards the Jews, there should no have been any Tibetans left after 50 years of CCP rules. This has got to be a miracle. Today, many Tibetans are highly educated, top singers, soldiers and professionals. Anyway, China is a country consists of many minorities.
also, the shugden protesters in london, USA and germany are locals, not tibetan shugdens. it is stupid for you to say that they are flying around with the money from Beijing.
Ill be sure you can´t bring the democracy to China , people like you and your friends only bring cruelness and fear to the people thats your function , nothing else !
your words are nonsense, as i will not defend myself by calling you falun gong fools.
i'm answering the conclusion that the protesters are funded by CCP, if you watch the news, the protesters are locals, they are european, americans. They don't need to fly after DLLM.
in europe there are many shugdens as well, the shugdens are demostrating in Rotterdam almost every week.
Fuck Tibet! ALWAYS HATED TIBET! Been there don't wanna go back there again! I'm Australian! Those fucking thugs, trying to kill my grand-parents because they are going to Hong Kong later on, FUCK TIBETANS! Fuck TIBET! HATE TIBET! They also spat on my friend's little sister for for wanting to buy shoes from Hong Kong! WTF??? FUCK TIBET! FUCK THEM ALL! Criminals! I HATE TIBET!. Love China went to China later on and enjoyed every minute of it. FUCK TIBET!
Religious harmony comes from let go Shugden practice. It is a practice which is feared by Kagyuepas and Nyingmas. If Gelugpas love sentient beings they can let go Shugden practice. Why practising something which is feared,, and is rooted in murderer, fundamentalism, schism and quarrel? Shugden kills even those of the own sect if they 'mix' teachings. Not to think about the three killed Shugden opponents. Very funny. Although Shugdenpas claim it is a religious practice it is a political practice.
These Shugden protesters are the same bunch of people that chases his holiness wherever he goes around the world lately. How come monks and nuns afford airfare and living expenses involved in the trip. Therefore, there is enough reason to testify that Beijing is funding the group in order to undermine Tibetan independence movement.
but it is not shame for them to express their opinion right? USA is a democ. country, other than China, he should not blame anybody for expressing their opinion.
Have you ever asked how come DL and his entourage can fly here and there and organised anti China activities and so many Tibetan Websites maintained by people whose full time job is such exactly. Most of these Tibetan activitists are doing what they are doing because it seems to be a good job, getting paid to live a good live and get glorifed in what is seemingly a good cause. At the same time given the greatest privileges in a foreign countries by foreign govts.
There are over 1000 "Shugden"centres with tens of thousands of adherents in 40 countries around the world, so who says its the same bunch of people at all these protests? These people are very devout and on the whole fairly well off. Who says they need China to fund them?
These Shugden protesters are the same bunch of people that chases his holiness wherever he goes around the world lately. How come monks and nuns afford airfare and living expenses involved in the trip. Therefore, there is enough reason to testify that Beijing is funding the group in order to undermine Tibetan independence movement.
As for the monks and nuns some have spent their savings believing this to be a compassionate and holy duty to protest, and a chance to give something back to their deity Dorje Shugden. Others were funded by friends who couldnt go themselves. I myself paid for a nun to fly to germany from england.
Some coaches were laid on by the organisers in europe but you have to remember that w. europe is a fairly small place, its easy to move a few hundred people around for the cost of a few plane tickets
These Shugden protesters are the same bunch of people that chases his holiness wherever he goes around the world lately. How come monks and nuns afford airfare and the expenses involved in the trip. Therefore, there is enough reason to testify that Beijing is funding the group in order to undermine Tibetan independence movement.
Does the Dalai Lama have freedom of thought and worship? why are shugden followers telling him to go against his conscience? Shugden followers are mad because the Dalai Lama said they should not attend his teachings! They are against him but wants his approval! Crazy worshippers of the undead spirit of a dead high lama? where is the Buddha or Rangzen or Tibet in your actions? Only selfcenteredness.
Western Shugden followers are not remotely interested in attending the Dalai Lamas teachings and do not want his approval. They merely wish to have the freedom to practice as their experience and conscience directs, without being condemned as devil worshipers. They are also protesting for the sake of the Shugden followers in Tibet and India whos lives and livelihoods are put in danger from violent reprisals from the Dalai Lamas followers. They have no voice and we are speaking for them....
CCP has a special department to work with Shugden worshippers. CCP, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, Trijang, Nga lama, etc., why don't you talk about the brutal murders of Shugden critics after which tibetan people came to regard Shugden worshippers as CCP
collaborators.
Worshippers of a 300 year old undead spirit of a high lama should tell the truth: Shugden worshipers in India live under Indian laws, in USA under USA laws and in europe under their laws. Dalai Lama has moral authority to say Buddha 1st.
I have seen few Tibetans among these people but they don't even know how to write there names correctly. its a matter of deceiving. not a matter of religious freedom. honestly people know the dalai lama has no such power to ban any deity. he is recognized as man of peace. most of these people are fake monks and nuns. to these people Buddhism is f actionable thing for temporary. it is pretty usual, they are also doing this to earning their living from Chinese communist government.
1) I knew these protesters follower of Kalsang Gyaltso who is great liar and real hypocrite, he called him self as a Geshe but reality he hasn't graduated and gain title Geshe. He looks humble but every monks from Sera know about him as a hypocrite, lair and robber as well. Now a days he has relation with CCP government.
2)Monks from Sera abandon relation with him many years ago because of big liar and robber of Buddhist centre from FPMT Lama yeshi's centre in England. since he stop to put image of H.H.Dalai lama and not allowed to read H.H. Dalai lama books,lot of students stop to go his centre, actually so called his centre he robbed from FPMT Lama yeshi's centre.
Really its their problem they can't geve up Buddha's advise and Shugden practice, both are contradictory. Buddha himself gave advise, buddhist Practitioner don't refuge and practice on worldly god or Shugen it Diminish our buddhist vows.H.H.Dalai Lama gave same advise that if you are really buddhist Practitioner don't refuge on worldly god or Shugden, and also if you don't want to listen my advise its upto you, you can do what ever practice you like, every body have religions freedom.
The Enemies of BUDDHISM, TIBET and TIBETANS... The PUPPETS of CCP.... They must have been paid well as it seems that same people are seen everywhere- be in England, or Germany, or US, or in Australia, where ever HH the Dalai Lama travels... Who pays for their travels expenses- CCP!!!!
Well it is understandable that chinese are against the Dalai Lama and here in this video we see more of chinese than any one else.
Ask any tibetan youth and they give or care shit about the Shugden.We just want Free Tibet.We new generation tibetan dont believe in rituals , we simply believe in Buddha teaching.For us Shugden never atain the buddhahood.So fuck with Shugden. Free Tibet
I hope due to this video, people investigate the expulsion of 900 monks by the DALAI LAMA from his own monastaries. WHY? Merely because they practice Dorje Shugden, a practice which the Daila Lama himself practiced until he was 50, and which was given to him by his spiritual guides and practiced by the great Gelugpa masters. The Dalai Lama has no spiritual justification for this BAN on Dorje Shugden practice. His aims are entirely POLITICAL.
This is not Chinese propoganda, this is ignorance about the nature of the spirit Dorje Shugden, who is most certainly a worldly, unenlightened spirit. The western people protesting there, along with the rare Tibetans, believe that Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, when he is clearly not.
The loss of life as a direct result of the invasion and occupation from 1950 to 1976 has been estimated as follows: 173,221 Tibetans died in prisons and labor camps; 156,758 by execution; 342,970 by starvation; 432,705 in battles and uprisings; 92,731 by torture; and 9,002 by suicide.
Note that these statistics refer to a period of 26 years, not just the 1950 engagement.
Why are so many Dalai Lama followers here say that this video is fake or the people are paid?
Why do u think Dalai Lama is so perfect? After all he is only a human, with flaws just like the rest of us. Why cant u accept he also has shortcomings, including in religious freedom and human rights? I am a Catholic but I dont support Pope blindly and in fact there are bad Popes in history. Please use ur own mind and dont be blinded by people in religious garb. Biggest danger is religion & politics mix
tha fake monk should try his religious freedom in china.
as far as I know them can practice their way of belief, only not allowed at meetings from the Dalai Lama. would be same if catolics were allowed to perform their rituals in prostestant church, while both aren't considered as being wrong and perhaps evil.
this is time all tibetans should be united and get media attention back on their cause since ccp is playing the good guy now with eartquake in attempt to clean reputation.
My arguments were based on trying to bridge the gap between the two sides.
99% of Tibetans are Buddhist and our system calls for the Dalai Lama to be our leader.This obviously may not be the best way to select leaders and it may not be good for Tibetans in the future...but it has worked very well for the time being.
I belive firmly that all Tibetans,followers of Shugden and those that are against have a few things in common. We all want a Free Tibet and we all follow H.H Dalai Lama.
Tibetans ...Shugden followers and against have both sacrificed their lives since 1959 for all Tibetans.
We should also not forget that respecting each others tradition is vital for our survival in or out of Tibet.
"I belive firmly that all Tibetans,followers of Shugden [...] have a few things in common [...] we all follow H.H Dalai Lama".
Are you actually saying there is one only way of being a Tibetan? How is this different from me saying there is only one standard of being an American? That if someone doesn't support Bush she is not a real American. Do you see how undemocratic and restricting your argument is?
CCP forever... tibetans are part of one of the greatest superpowers.now . they should be proud
DarkprinX2500 1 month ago
The man in black suit used to be a monk, see how he bad mouths HH. He should look at himself first ...he violated the very basic vows of a monk and insulted the very foundation of buddhism and still talking about religion?.
MsKushh 1 month ago
subtitles japanese or tibetan?
gopalscountry 4 months ago
This must be bs
karriim00 6 months ago
ching chang ching chen ching hii lol
what is this?
ShadowRaptor09 8 months ago
@ShadowRaptor09 how buddhism and dharma is spread in Tibet by skillful means or just my ignorance
gopalscountry 4 months ago
The exile Tibetans have a new political leader now, democratically elected - Lobsang Sangay.
The Dalai Lama has stepped down as political leader.
Varavaken 9 months ago
the problem with people is that they treat someone as God as think nothing but all good about Him. Who says a human being can be perfect?
GIA13615093 10 months ago
i can guarantee all this ppl protesting against His Holiness is jus a fuckin slave of chinese....u ppl r such a shame 2 tibetan community.....fuckin chinese faggot...
sowangful 1 year ago
@sowangful ikr
liltnyima 10 months ago
The Tibetan exile community is being modernised, the Dalai Lama is the main force behind this democratization.
Assembly of Tibetan Peoples Deputies is the most powerful political structure today.
Shugden extremism is an obstacle to democracy and a threat to religion.
Varavaken 1 year ago
The Shugden group (Gelug sectarians)) is a minority.
The majority are non-sectarians. Non-sectarian Buddhism is important if you want to preserve the whole Tibetan Buddhist tradition.
They´ve formed their own groups now. They are not part of Tibetan Buddhism.
They have their own monasteries. There is no suppression, no general ban.
Varavaken 1 year ago
eastern2western
I know about his role. He is the temporal and religious leader of Tibetan Buddhists. He belongs to the Gelug school buth he´s trying to preserve the whole Tibetan Buddhist tradition, four schools, five , if you include the Bon tradition. That is his responsibility. The head of Gelug school is Ganden Tripa.
The Shugden practice has stopped in the Gelug monasteries. Gelug lamas agree on this. The Dalai Lama is fully supported in his view by the monastic communities.
Varavaken 1 year ago
dalai lama has no support from any monastic communities because he does not represent real buddhism at all. in real buddhism, it is the ideas behind the teachings that matter more than some living god. the system in tibet is very different from buddhist teachings of peace and acceptance of peoples differences. definitely not the race purifications that is proposed by dalai lama
eastern2western 9 months ago
@eastern2western
Wrong. All Tibetan Buddhist schools support him, including Gelug school.
The DS practice has stopped in Gelug monasteries.
DS people have their own monasteries in India now.
There is no religious persecution. AI dismissed these claims 1998.
Varavaken 9 months ago
dalai must be wet dreaming. all schools support him? let me see some written papers. then it must be schools in india. there is no religious prosecution? the ds practioners just filed a lawsuit against dalai lama recently for religious prosecution. aj dismissed these claims in 1998? then why they made an hour long video of prosecution of dorje shugden religion ten yrs later? aj must be nuts and repeating himself. dalai lama's best defense is ds is all commie financed propaganda. ha, ha,
eastern2western 9 months ago
@eastern2western
You seem a bit confused.
Go to Amnesty International Document - China (1998) if you want to know their position on "alleged abuses against worshippers of Tibetan deity Dorje Shugden."
Delhi High Court dismissed Dorje Shugden Devotees charges 2010´(april 5).
You´re not very updated.
Varavaken 9 months ago
Shugden people were behind the triple murder in Dharamsala 1997. Two young monks and one Gelug lama were brutally murdered.
The two main suspects returned to China. They have Chinese protection now.
Shugden groups all over the world have political and financial support from China. No Buddhist groups want to be associated with them.
Varavaken 1 year ago
people should realize that tibet has multiple religions and dalai only represents one division of buddhism and he does not have the right to tell people not to pratice other types
eastern2western 1 year ago
@eastern2western
A seven member team from China (Shugden followers) attempted to assasinate the Dalai Lama four years ago (2006).
China is using this group to undermine the exile Tibetan community.
eastern2western.
Don´t talk about Tibetan Buddhism. It´s obvious you don´t have a clue.
Shugden practice is no longer a part of the Tibetan Gelug tradition. But the practice is not prohibited, they have their own monasteries now.
China and Shugden people are spreading lies.
Varavaken 1 year ago
@Varavaken go search wikipedia or read any books about religions in tibet or budhism. dalai only represents a the yellow hat sector in tibetant buddhism and he should not have any political powers at all. the video shows the perfect example of what happens when politics is combined with religion because the leader would use his power to eliminate other religious beliefs.
eastern2western 1 year ago
btw, none of these people are tibetan, they're all chinese, and the language they're speaking isn't tibetan
joliefan53 1 year ago
yes they have the right to protest, but what the heck are they protesting for?? The dalai lama doesn't' practice shugten and advices his people to abstain from it because it brings harm, he never took the freedom of religion from people who practice this, so why are they exactly protesting, he never ordered people to invade shugten practitioners home etc, tibetan people mad the choice of staying away from shugten people because the shugten people have killed a number of dalai lama followers.
joliefan53 1 year ago
DaLai Lama is fucking religous dictator.
Shut your ugly face and stop begging money from the west.
maomao667 1 year ago
@maomao667 actually it's the zionists paying him
zigyzigy13 1 year ago
I was scared to leave NKT. I thought my merit would run out; they frightened me into thinking that leaving would be the worst possible thing ever. Well I want to tell anyone reading this that leaving was the best thing I have ever done and I am far happier outside than I was ever inside. I am connecting with people again, feeling true to myself for the first time in years.
Hold on, just hold on. I promise you with all my heart it does get better.
NKTsurvivors 1 year ago
the truth will come out...its not about tibet / china issue, the dalai lama is to blame. dorje shugden practice will become mainstream, not just in china, but the entire world.
ImAnonoMouse 1 year ago
Just wanted to inform all that there is a newly launched website which is very informative, serpommonastery(dot)org. It is very inspiring to read about how this monastery started. There are many other sections such as news, monastic programs etc. Do check it out.
TheDharmaKnight 1 year ago
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DS is completely represented by WSS. No one talked about DS in the west until WSS did.
NKT is WSS, from conception through today.
This new attempt to portray NKT as suddenly Dalai Lama-friendly comes too late, unfortunately.
If NKT has had a change of policy and heart, it will have to spend as many years (or more) counteracting its original propaganda as it did generating it.
Ieedhi 1 year ago
my god, one Borg having an endless conversation with himself, lol.
Ieedhi 1 year ago
dorjeshugden (dot) com sounds like a spam entry.
Well mine is no different if ds has helped you i request you to make it known to the world. ds is not bad! DS only concern is that we all be happy..... long term.
More info can be found in their forums.. check itout
ImAnonoMouse 1 year ago
checked the forums I didn't even know this issue was soo huge for the tibetans. Here in the west all we know is the dalai lama.
He is soo kind and compassionate, well the side i have seen all these years. I hope i can be so bold as to say I'm sure HHDL has his reasons and they can never be ill intended.
I think I shall be one ot those people who will sit on the fence and see how everything pans out.
daBigmouth75 1 year ago
fake
Ieedhi 1 year ago
here u pretend 2b "innocent fence-sitter"
at the same time with your other laptop you diss HHDL
at the same time w/ur 3rd, you are pro-Gyancain
with your fourth--inform on citizens?
Sad.
Ieedhi 1 year ago
WOW, ImAnono, you joined Feb 11, just like daB (da bi)!
Amazing :)
Feb 11 = Jan 11 = WSS = CCP
Go Team.
Ieedhi 1 year ago
i get the feeling that this is a hacked account.... whats CCP got to do with anything?
nostra120 1 year ago
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When is the WSS going to open up their videos to comments? Or are they afraid of the opinions of the larger Buddhist community?
In one of the videos on WSS's site, a young NKT Buddhist says 'There is no practice without him (shugden).
Clearly the NKT has recruited the least experienced of their students for these protests, who have no knowledge of Buddhist history and the fact that Shugden came well after the time of Tzongkhapa.
WSS please open your vids to comment for honest dialogue.
fIoatinghippos 1 year ago
If anyone is really keen to know who is this DORJE SHUGDEN that the Dalai Lama seems to have such a huge love for and keeps on publicizing him to everyone... go to dorjeshugden(dot)com
Don't just listen to rumours and believe what anyone tell you, find out who this BAD DUDE is.
thepurpleaster 1 year ago
@thepurpleaster : The site dorjeshugden(dot)com is very informative. All you ever wanted to know about Dorje Shugden . And more. Thank you for pointing us there.
zamzam24388 1 year ago
Tibetans are too attached, sorry to say to this their pain and suffering they've experienced. Too deep in their roots in relying upon just one person to shoulder all their hopes and well responsibilities. So long as they keep at this thinking, Tibetans although famous for their religious practice which is suppose to be Buddhism, I am afraid not many do actually practice the Dharma/laws of cause and effect. Unless they can believe and accept their karma, they will have no peace.
thepurpleaster 1 year ago
indeed all these bans and dramas going about the entire world isnt making any sides look better but what can we get from Tibet which can help heal both parties and benefit the world.
let's focus on it's buddhist teachings. I got these from dorjeshugden{dot}com
jayasina 1 year ago
IF YOU DON'T WANT CHINA TO CREATE PROPAGANDA... THEN STOP THE DORJE SHUGDEN BAN. SIMPLE! DORJE SHUGDEN CANNOT HARM THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN REFUGE IN THE THREE JEWELS IF HE IS TRULY A SPIRIT. OR IS HE NOT? Loads of info at dorjeshugden(dot)com about this protector who is Manjushri!!!
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
I for one am not a Big FAN of China. But you know what all this demonstration and baning DS hooha is not really making both sides look any better.
LOOK if we condemn the Dalai Lama, it's going to look like we are the same as those TGIE and the world is sympathetic with the Dalai Lama. Dorje Shugden have never once said go against the Dalai lama. In fact he encourages us to be patient and don't disrespect the Dalai lama and that all will be revealed. dorjeshugden(dot)com
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
This is such obvious Chinese propaganda. The western tibetan nun was criticizing the Chinese media's misrepresentation of the Dalai Lama, She says, "Have an open mind and not be fooled by the media image that's presented of the Dalai Lama." Her comments are taken completely out of context.
scag15 2 years ago
dalai lama If you say one thing to everyone in the West, but in your own backyard you engage in systematic calculated political religious repression, then what is the world to think?
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
Chinese have, for many different reasons, befouled their nests and must seek to adopt the survival strategies of the cuckoo bird. Tibetan high lamas who held unquestioned authority in Tibet--Tibetans giving them respect, power and life's savings made the choice to put lineage and position above the law of karma. The Dalai Lama is the rebel from this clique of power and pelf; he knows Shugden cult inside out and we, Buddhists, thank him. Shugdenists and CCP have a common cause: Tibetans don't.
21Dolma 2 years ago 2
They are Tibetan Buddhists, not Tibetan monks. The title is not entirely true. Tibetan monks cannot against Dalai, because they don't have the rights to. Dalai is their king. Just be truthful and resourceful.
I personally don't think Dalai is evil, he wants more power which is a very nature thing for human. Americans help him because it's good for political strategies. Anyway, it's complicated. Don't mess with politics, it sucks.
laduch 2 years ago
I don't think it was very smart of you to say a humble spiritual man want "POWER". Just just shot yourself in the foot because that is exactly what WSS is saying that all Dalai Lama wants is power!
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
shoot those modern crusade, free China!!!
colguy11 2 years ago
fukk chinese
miighankurt 2 years ago
FREE TIBET,Free China from its backward brainwashing, totalitarian ultra-nationalist national socialist government.Human rights for China,Freedom for Tibet.
swordofpakistan 2 years ago
Where is the Tibetan monk supposedly against the DL. ha ha truth1888 is the devil re-incarnated
lhakylou 2 years ago
There is a huge religious repression going on. It is hurting so many people and their religioius rights removed.
If suddenly the catholic church said Mother Mary is a demon and you can't worship her. There would be a huge outcry.
It is the same thing with Dorje Shugden worshipped for hundreds of years. It is not a new practice.
For more information go to: dorjeshugden (dot) com/ do search on youtube for more information or google it.
truth1888 2 years ago
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Dorje Shugden manifested in a wrathful form specifically to protect those who are afflicted with most difficult obstacles.
In the most dire circumstances, Dorje Shugden is very quick and helpful.
Many high elite Tibetan Lamas invoke upon the energy of Dorje Shugden for protection of individuals.
You can invoke upon him yourself. See his website.
His protective and sacred mantra is:
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA
You can recite this as many times as possible daily visualizing help.
truth1888 2 years ago
THE DALAI LAMA IS GOING TO COURT!!
Indian High court in New Delhi is summoning Dalai Lama to court due to his unconstitutional ban on the ancient practice of Dorje Shugden on his own people.
In India where there are so many religions and their subsects, it is unheard of that a secular/religious leader can issue such a ban.
It has shocked the Indian psyche.
Preliminary hearings have began.
Aljazeera news has a special report. It is posted on the youtube.
Get Updated!
truth1888 2 years ago
Chinese want to denounce japanese for what they did in nanjing. that is fair, but they want to wipe out from history what they did in tibet, specially in amdo and kham regions. it was the worst holocaust, worse than nanjing. CHinese bastards, get the fuck out of Tibet!!
lemartian1 2 years ago
How is it worse? Because you think your made-up numbers are true? :)
Ch1neseDrag0n 2 years ago
do u think only your sufferings are painful? only your lives are valuable?
lemartian1 2 years ago
No, but our sufferings is REAL compared to your made-up bs.
Ch1neseDrag0n 2 years ago
see..here u go, its bs if others suffer, and its REAL only when you suffer. that speaks for you and your masters. this is the kind of attitutede that makes others say what happend in naniing is also bs.
lemartian1 2 years ago
Well, I don't care if you or anyone else thinks what happened in Nanjing is bs. If there was really a genocide in Tibet, it would still pale in comparison to what happened in Nanjing.
My masters are better than your masters LOL.
Ch1neseDrag0n 2 years ago
well..what can i say to a brainwashed idiots like u? look outside the box, if you value your pain and freedom, let Tibetans have theirs too. they simply don't want to live under china, can't u see it?? but i am telling you, its only a time before ur country explodes into a thousand Tian an Men incidends and uprisings in many provinces. Then u will remember what i am saying to you now..u can fool and control people for some time, but not forever.
lemartian1 2 years ago 2
They? What about what WE want?
Well, as long as China continues developing, your dream is still shattered. And from the looks of how the world is going right now, it's not looking that great for you. Many thought the financial crisis would burst China's "economic bubble", but now, many see this time as China's great leap forward in terms of catching up.
I know people like you would love nothing more than chaos in China. But guess what, Chinese aren't trouble-makers like you. We're productive.
Ch1neseDrag0n 2 years ago
those "tibetan" monks were all chinese.
it´s real bad propaganda. but what else is new.....
shut up and dance
mitim0 3 years ago
fucking rude chiness........one day i will born in your country as a leader and rule your country under tibet..........By Dalia Lama
layahero 3 years ago
See, even the followers of the Dalai Lama agree that his ultimate goal is to rule over. It's all about power for him.
layahero, you and the Dalai Lama would be considered lucky if you both "reincarnated" as bugs.
Ch1neseDrag0n 3 years ago
Ch1neseDrag0n , you are a bug in this life itself. in your next life you will "reincarnated" again as chinese animal and keep trying to get to US or some other western country..all the 'protesters' here are chinese paid jokers, chinese are prisoners in their own country.
lemartian1 2 years ago
At least I'm not a slave of some phony god-king like the Dalai Lama.
Ch1neseDrag0n 2 years ago
oh..u r slave of your communist masters, aren't you?
lemartian1 2 years ago
LOL, watch out when using the word "slave". Because Dalai Lama would still be the world's biggest slave owner today if he wasn't kicked out.
Ch1neseDrag0n 2 years ago
love each other, we are all from the same source !
Mellorion 3 years ago
I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
Globalvisual 3 years ago
Merely a bunch of Dorje Shugden wackos!
Darroth 3 years ago
1 Chinese putting poison into babys' milk to make a profit
2 Chinese killing innocent Tibetans and illegal occupation of Tibet
3 Chinese lacing children's toys with lead poisoning
4 Chinese killing people using 1000 cut while alive method
5 Chinese skinning animals while they are still alive
6 Chinese murdering 41000 Falun Gongs for their organs
7 Chinese Tiananmen massacre
Come and watch my shocking videos to get into the minds of these sadistic filths
sumtingwung 3 years ago
fucking christ, you again!? i can copy and paste too
I submit to you, that despite all these horrible things you mention, the PRC is still better for the Xi Zang people than the Lamaist aristocrats. The Tibetan people can get an education often for free and have (I shit you not) MORE FREEDOM under the Chinese flag than the proposed theocracy of the dalai lama.
I consider myself quite liberal, but I am ashamed of how hippies in America accept the lies by the Western media.
ZombieCobain 3 years ago 3
Furthermore, sumtingwung, I suspect from your (closed) account, that you are an American Republican, so you should appreciate the following:
Tibet falls in a similar situation as Xin Jiang. Xin Jiang is an semi-autonomous state exactly like Tibet whose religious minority also seeks freedom from Chinese "tyranny." If Tibet gains independence, you will find Xin Jiang will want the same. The Xin Jiang Muslim extremists (who the Chinese police brutally suppress) support Osama bin Laden.
ZombieCobain 3 years ago
Chinese people are willing to safeguard the consolidation and sovereignty of China with all our might and main.
Chinese mainland (Tibet included) and Taiwan is one country.
Any attempt that aims to disunify our motherland shall be in vain!
MakVoiceofChinaHeard 3 years ago
This American white guy has been to China several times, thinks communism is retarded, supports reasonable capitalism, votes Democratic, grew up in a union household, supports green efforts...
And totally loves the Chinese culture and thanks China for keeping in check the religious extremist Muslims of Xin Jiang and the oppressive Lamaists of Xi Zang (Tibet) from establishing more theocracies.
WAKE UP WESTERN MEDIA!
ZombieCobain 3 years ago
the people talking are all chinese.
bazarragchaa26 3 years ago
Sir, please have a look at the previous comment posted by anti-China Mr. "czrsilp". He did even admit there were "western monk and nuns".
Please look more closely.
MakVoiceofChinaHeard 3 years ago
fuck these monks i wanna fuck u all!~~~u stop lying !~~ur religideon is the devil,Dalailama trying to save u!wake up stupid monks!~!~~~open your eyes and look at urself,and u'll see how sick u are!~~~fuck !~~~long live DALAILAMA!~~
2591675 3 years ago
all these are CCP paid goons.
CCP will pay atleast 500 dolar each after they finish this protest.
huvanlee 3 years ago
These fake western monk and nuns don't even care about tibetan buddhism. they are just hired to put on these robes to protest. They just go where the money is. Dalai lama is the voice and hope for millions of tibetans in Tibet, and these fake monks and nuns are trying to silince it. Dalai Lama is right, they are spirit worshipers. No wonder china is actively supporting them.
czrsilp 3 years ago 2
fck the dala lllama (his name doesnt deserve to be spelt correctly)
14dec92 3 years ago
If you truely want to practise shugden for the benefit of all people this is not they way to go about your cause even if there are threatening or violent opposals. Otherwise you dont believe in karma. Also holding onto a practise so tightly isn't Buddhism and clearly holds no wisdom of change. I repect all shugden practitioners and wish them Happiness in all future lives, may all be enlightened for the benefit of others.
hearer87 3 years ago
on the contrary, we do believe in karma and this isnt just about our own right to protest. we have taken vows to protect people and that includes the Shugden practitioners in India and Tibet who are being persecuted but ignored by the worlds media. If you saw someone being victimised and bullied on the street would it be Buddhist to walk on by and refuse to come to their aid?
Is it Buddhist to take no action? Or is it Buddhist to help beings that you perceive to be suffering?
alexhoskins 3 years ago
If it is right to protest against the PRCs brutal subjugation of the Tibetan people - which it is - surely it is also right to protest against the Dalai Lamas subjugation of sections of his own people. Both are permitted.
You cant have it both ways without being a hypocrite.
alexhoskins 3 years ago 5
The Dalai Lama has spoken about shugden practise, just like Maitreya who was a Bohdisattva in the time of Buddha Shakyamuni incarnated to show the way of a Bohdisattva H.H practised shugden to show us the downfalls of the practise and why we shouldn't. As someone who follows the Buddha and who Believes H.H DL is the Buddha of Compassion we should repect his advice. Taking sides or calling him a liar is a total lack of wisdom and gratitude for his teachings.
hearer87 3 years ago
your a total lack of balls and a no it all
FIXTREME 3 years ago
Well thats fine. You believe the DL is Avolakiteshvara, so you respect his advice.
Personally I cant see how his actions are consistent with that belief so I reserve the right not to.
And if he truly believes in religious freedom, tolerance and compassion (as the Buddha of Compassion should do) he will make an announcement that categorically offers his protection to the shugden worshippers. Then his supporters might leave them alone....
alexhoskins 3 years ago
Wonderful propaganda.....the "best" yet ;-)
Trying to make the Dalai Lama look like a hypocrite is total B.S. There isn't a person on the planet more committed to peaceful co-existence.
here is the "strategy" of this approach to discredit:
1)Mao orders infiltration of Buddhist monasteries.lots of fake monks,even a "monk factory"
2)PRC uses nut jobs like this nun (like Jim Jones used people to do mass suicide as "Mission")2whine2the world when HHDL calls them out on many bad things,i.e.murder
patrickmahoney 3 years ago
Yes, if the "peaceful co-existence" you are talking about is between his Buddhist Taliban government and the United States of Amerikkka.
anjingmakananjing 3 years ago
Propaganda my ass. Theh Dali Lama is a fraud and a cult leading bastard and the tibetans are much better of without that Czarina bastard.
FIXTREME 3 years ago 3
yeah the stupid "free tibet" people, don't even know where Tibet. watch the video on that. they are so ignorant, believe so blindly. they dont even realize the Dalai lama's advisors and closest friends were Hitler's top officers and friends.google it and visit the museum or achives where this imformation can be found.
IheartJFKnDrKing 3 years ago 2
I see many rubbish comments from people here saying that the protestors were paid by the chinese government. They are not even living in China, they are protesting in New York for God's sake!
ltangelic 3 years ago 11
Do you really think Dalei Lama and his friends needs a good paid Job :-D Sorry thats the most dumb argue I´ve ever heard Lol :-D
Groek123 3 years ago
Have you ever wonder who pays for DL and his entourage flying around the world so often and staying in 5 star hotels?
sgtsk 3 years ago 2
Please remember that the most basic human rights are rights to survive(be fed, clothed, sheltered, educated and able to make a living to bring up a family and also protected from being cannibalised by outside hostile, lowerly and evil forces). China has alot more to do but has done this quite well and no human right organisations, ngos,UN and all western countries combined have done more as far as these basic human rights are concerned.
sgtsk 3 years ago
At first Amnesty fight for human rights in the whole World and in every Country !
second , I have dozend of Videos and Books about Tibets History and the Occupation of China because a lot of brave Europeans were there make films and take photos , films and reports from the tibetians !!!
That has nothing to do with Antichinastuff !!
I also can give you a horrible reprort about Germany 1930-45 , or about Stalins Russia a.s.o. The point is to talk and report about cruelness Barbarism !
Groek123 3 years ago
These basic human rights mentioned above are those most important and require the most heavy lifting work and are all done by the Chinese govt. It is very easy and cheap for hamn rights fanatics to talk and shout slogans and bash in the limelights as doing the greatest things. To me most of these people are either opportunists, bandwagon riders or birdbained.
sgtsk 3 years ago
While their causes are honourable I suspect their motive are probably not. Of course there good genuine Hr activists but I hope they are not so narrow minded.
sgtsk 3 years ago
1: I never said that no shugdens in Europe or USA , I said they are supported by Chinese Gouvernment, becauase they always made trouble in the Buddhism World nearly since more than 300 years. So they always against the Dalai Lama. The Fact that Chinas media know reports about monks who argue against the Dalai lama is pure propaganda.
WE are not completely dumb in Europe ;-)
Groek123 3 years ago
no, you said the shugden can fly here and there, must be funded by CCP, then i'm telling you they don't need to fly, therefore your conclusion for CCP funding shugden is wrong.
magnietuit 3 years ago
and you are calling yourself as democratic expecting people shutting up their mouths?
if you are really democratic, why are you afraid of different voices?
magnietuit 3 years ago
First: your account is ( like the most CCP accounts 3-4 month old).
Second : Your a comunist wich is fight against democracy in China and all around you , so you can´t claim democratic rights !
Third: if there is someone afraid of the own Peoples voices ( 90 000 demostrations a year in China ) than it is the Gouvernment of China !!
Groek123 3 years ago
1, account duration is a foolish evidence.
2, i'm in holland, useless to be communist.
3, i never asked you to shut up, you can talk, but i'll point out your mistake, you are upset and trying to defend your mistake by calling me communist.
again i'm telling you, there are tens of thousands of shugdens in europe and american, then don't have to fly after DLLM, there are plenty protesters waiting for him in his destination.
if you don't agree, put your evidence forward.
magnietuit 3 years ago
The answer is very very simple . China takes 30 000 CCP agents for the censorship in China and Europe , wich means they manipulate , lie , a.s.o. This monks simply paid by the chinese Gouvernment , thats it .
It was the same like the comunism Partys in germany 1960-80 , the are all supported by the UDSSR ort the DDR .
Groek123 3 years ago
it is useless to defend yourself with your stupid reasons, how come CCP censor european website when all european server providers are non-ccp?
i'm telling you again, i'm not ccp, i pointed out your mistake, if you want to defend yourself, then put evidences forword such as: there is no shugdens in EU or USA, go ahead.
magnietuit 3 years ago
test !
Groek123 3 years ago
some background why chinese are complaining about pro-tibetan policies, watch this:
you want to know what kind of help?
1, 95% of tibetan slave were set free, and received farms.
2, in half decades, 300 hospitals and 5000 schools, 2 airports, many roads, railway, energy-station, telecom connection etc. were built.
3, tibetan children get free education, and have 10% more chances for university entrance.
4, tibetan business have VAT-free privilege.
5, quarterly ethnic bonus to improve the life
magnietuit 3 years ago
1.there were no9 feudalism in Tibet , the People loves their lamas!!
2.1,2 Million Tibetian nuns and monks killed, tortured and imprisoned since 1949 from the Chinese Occupators. 100 Thousends of tibetian Women are forced steriliced since today!
-more than 6000 monasteries are destroyed by the chinese Armee.
-The Tibetian Language was forbidden to speak in school,100 thousends of monks were forced educated!!
As a member of AI i can tell you more !
Tibet has the right to develop themself
Groek123 3 years ago
total population in tibet before 1949 was kept balanced round 1 million.
so your conclusion is: all tibetan were monks and nuns in 1949 and 1950, and they have all been killed.
the rest is unnecessary to read.
you are member of AL, but i'm not member of CCP. nobody brainwashed me, how can i trust somebody probably being brainwashed by anti-china staff?
if you dislike somebody, no matter what he did, what he said, it's all his fault....
magnietuit 3 years ago
Considering the fact that the population of Tibetans was just over 1 million in 1950s and now over 6 millions, th CCP can't be that bad. If the CCP was one-fifth as bad as the Nazi towards the Jews, there should no have been any Tibetans left after 50 years of CCP rules. This has got to be a miracle. Today, many Tibetans are highly educated, top singers, soldiers and professionals. Anyway, China is a country consists of many minorities.
sgtsk 3 years ago
You talk shit dirty CCP Liar !
Groek123 3 years ago
stop lying baby!
at least,most school in western Sichuan,the tibetan students were educated in Tibetan！
tsihchiung 3 years ago
To lie about china and Tibet is your paid Job :-)
Groek123 3 years ago
also, the shugden protesters in london, USA and germany are locals, not tibetan shugdens. it is stupid for you to say that they are flying around with the money from Beijing.
magnietuit 3 years ago
you are the next ccp agent right !!
Ill be sure you can´t bring the democracy to China , people like you and your friends only bring cruelness and fear to the people thats your function , nothing else !
China needs a revolution !
Groek123 3 years ago
your words are nonsense, as i will not defend myself by calling you falun gong fools.
i'm answering the conclusion that the protesters are funded by CCP, if you watch the news, the protesters are locals, they are european, americans. They don't need to fly after DLLM.
in europe there are many shugdens as well, the shugdens are demostrating in Rotterdam almost every week.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Fuck Tibet! ALWAYS HATED TIBET! Been there don't wanna go back there again! I'm Australian! Those fucking thugs, trying to kill my grand-parents because they are going to Hong Kong later on, FUCK TIBETANS! Fuck TIBET! HATE TIBET! They also spat on my friend's little sister for for wanting to buy shoes from Hong Kong! WTF??? FUCK TIBET! FUCK THEM ALL! Criminals! I HATE TIBET!. Love China went to China later on and enjoyed every minute of it. FUCK TIBET!
AClassFighter 3 years ago
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Religious harmony comes from let go Shugden practice. It is a practice which is feared by Kagyuepas and Nyingmas. If Gelugpas love sentient beings they can let go Shugden practice. Why practising something which is feared,, and is rooted in murderer, fundamentalism, schism and quarrel? Shugden kills even those of the own sect if they 'mix' teachings. Not to think about the three killed Shugden opponents. Very funny. Although Shugdenpas claim it is a religious practice it is a political practice.
ABCDIR 3 years ago
Europe and the US should boycott China and make business with India !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Europe and the US should boycott China and make business with India !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Europe and the US should boycott China and make business with India !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Europe and the US should boycott China and make business with India !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Groek123 3 years ago
then what you are waiting for, go ahead!
magnietuit 3 years ago
you can be sure it would happen , and the first Nation who do that would be the USA.
Don´t forget the World has India too a a very attractive Market!
Groek123 3 years ago
10 years ago you guys are saying the same thing, and now you are still saying the same cliche.
magnietuit 3 years ago
wait and look at Peking , you can be absolutely that that the 25000 international Journalists makes the games a political desaster for China !
Groek123 3 years ago
then we'll see.
if they can make china more democratic, i'll be grateful.
otherwise, sorry.
magnietuit 3 years ago
These Shugden protesters are the same bunch of people that chases his holiness wherever he goes around the world lately. How come monks and nuns afford airfare and living expenses involved in the trip. Therefore, there is enough reason to testify that Beijing is funding the group in order to undermine Tibetan independence movement.
elephantismedium 3 years ago
but it is not shame for them to express their opinion right? USA is a democ. country, other than China, he should not blame anybody for expressing their opinion.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Have you ever asked how come DL and his entourage can fly here and there and organised anti China activities and so many Tibetan Websites maintained by people whose full time job is such exactly. Most of these Tibetan activitists are doing what they are doing because it seems to be a good job, getting paid to live a good live and get glorifed in what is seemingly a good cause. At the same time given the greatest privileges in a foreign countries by foreign govts.
sgtsk 3 years ago
There are over 1000 "Shugden"centres with tens of thousands of adherents in 40 countries around the world, so who says its the same bunch of people at all these protests? These people are very devout and on the whole fairly well off. Who says they need China to fund them?
alexhoskins 3 years ago
These Shugden protesters are the same bunch of people that chases his holiness wherever he goes around the world lately. How come monks and nuns afford airfare and living expenses involved in the trip. Therefore, there is enough reason to testify that Beijing is funding the group in order to undermine Tibetan independence movement.
elephantismedium 3 years ago
As for the monks and nuns some have spent their savings believing this to be a compassionate and holy duty to protest, and a chance to give something back to their deity Dorje Shugden. Others were funded by friends who couldnt go themselves. I myself paid for a nun to fly to germany from england.
Some coaches were laid on by the organisers in europe but you have to remember that w. europe is a fairly small place, its easy to move a few hundred people around for the cost of a few plane tickets
alexhoskins 3 years ago
These Shugden protesters are the same bunch of people that chases his holiness wherever he goes around the world lately. How come monks and nuns afford airfare and the expenses involved in the trip. Therefore, there is enough reason to testify that Beijing is funding the group in order to undermine Tibetan independence movement.
elephantismedium 3 years ago
fucking chinese
gotmituns 3 years ago
the protesters are tibetans
magnietuit 3 years ago
Each year China execute 10 000 People!
900 million Chinese are very poor Farmers which where exploited by the chinese Gouverment and the regional administrations of the Party!
China is the most unsocial Nation on this Planet,more than every kapitalism Nation !!!
China has also more than 350 000 Millionaires and Billionaires and they become richer and richer while the farmers get poorer and poorer!
China has more than 30 000 Cyberpoliceman or agents who censored the internet!
Groek123 3 years ago
>>"China has more than 30 000 Cyberpoliceman or agents who censored the internet! "
Yes, and we are seeing them here on Youtube trying to spread disinformation. China is still quite red! And SO transparent!
0birdwatcher0 3 years ago
Yes , unfortunately !
Groek123 3 years ago
Does the Dalai Lama have freedom of thought and worship? why are shugden followers telling him to go against his conscience? Shugden followers are mad because the Dalai Lama said they should not attend his teachings! They are against him but wants his approval! Crazy worshippers of the undead spirit of a dead high lama? where is the Buddha or Rangzen or Tibet in your actions? Only selfcenteredness.
Akhutonpa 3 years ago 2
Western Shugden followers are not remotely interested in attending the Dalai Lamas teachings and do not want his approval. They merely wish to have the freedom to practice as their experience and conscience directs, without being condemned as devil worshipers. They are also protesting for the sake of the Shugden followers in Tibet and India whos lives and livelihoods are put in danger from violent reprisals from the Dalai Lamas followers. They have no voice and we are speaking for them....
alexhoskins 3 years ago 2
stupidity. Why should anybody respect that scam artist?
FIXTREME 3 years ago
CCP has a special department to work with Shugden worshippers. CCP, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, Trijang, Nga lama, etc., why don't you talk about the brutal murders of Shugden critics after which tibetan people came to regard Shugden worshippers as CCP
collaborators.
Worshippers of a 300 year old undead spirit of a high lama should tell the truth: Shugden worshipers in India live under Indian laws, in USA under USA laws and in europe under their laws. Dalai Lama has moral authority to say Buddha 1st.
Akhutonpa 3 years ago 2
I have seen few Tibetans among these people but they don't even know how to write there names correctly. its a matter of deceiving. not a matter of religious freedom. honestly people know the dalai lama has no such power to ban any deity. he is recognized as man of peace. most of these people are fake monks and nuns. to these people Buddhism is f actionable thing for temporary. it is pretty usual, they are also doing this to earning their living from Chinese communist government.
amboy4 3 years ago
dalai Lama should knee before china tibetan to ask for forgiveness before he still have time as he is old already.
kilanggula 3 years ago
1) I knew these protesters follower of Kalsang Gyaltso who is great liar and real hypocrite, he called him self as a Geshe but reality he hasn't graduated and gain title Geshe. He looks humble but every monks from Sera know about him as a hypocrite, lair and robber as well. Now a days he has relation with CCP government.
sonam21 3 years ago
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2)Monks from Sera abandon relation with him many years ago because of big liar and robber of Buddhist centre from FPMT Lama yeshi's centre in England. since he stop to put image of H.H.Dalai lama and not allowed to read H.H. Dalai lama books,lot of students stop to go his centre, actually so called his centre he robbed from FPMT Lama yeshi's centre.
sonam21 3 years ago
Really its their problem they can't geve up Buddha's advise and Shugden practice, both are contradictory. Buddha himself gave advise, buddhist Practitioner don't refuge and practice on worldly god or Shugen it Diminish our buddhist vows.H.H.Dalai Lama gave same advise that if you are really buddhist Practitioner don't refuge on worldly god or Shugden, and also if you don't want to listen my advise its upto you, you can do what ever practice you like, every body have religions freedom.
sonam21 3 years ago
fucking chinese .... u r the one who lying ...
TAGASHO 3 years ago
The sad thing is that this vedio would not showed on American channels.
acaca11 3 years ago 2
The Enemies of BUDDHISM, TIBET and TIBETANS... The PUPPETS of CCP.... They must have been paid well as it seems that same people are seen everywhere- be in England, or Germany, or US, or in Australia, where ever HH the Dalai Lama travels... Who pays for their travels expenses- CCP!!!!
Bastards
tenzinzigme 3 years ago
Well it is understandable that chinese are against the Dalai Lama and here in this video we see more of chinese than any one else.
Ask any tibetan youth and they give or care shit about the Shugden.We just want Free Tibet.We new generation tibetan dont believe in rituals , we simply believe in Buddha teaching.For us Shugden never atain the buddhahood.So fuck with Shugden. Free Tibet
jimmy7391 3 years ago
I hope due to this video, people investigate the expulsion of 900 monks by the DALAI LAMA from his own monastaries. WHY? Merely because they practice Dorje Shugden, a practice which the Daila Lama himself practiced until he was 50, and which was given to him by his spiritual guides and practiced by the great Gelugpa masters. The Dalai Lama has no spiritual justification for this BAN on Dorje Shugden practice. His aims are entirely POLITICAL.
floatinghippos 3 years ago 2
This is not Chinese propoganda, this is ignorance about the nature of the spirit Dorje Shugden, who is most certainly a worldly, unenlightened spirit. The western people protesting there, along with the rare Tibetans, believe that Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, when he is clearly not.
jmlee369 3 years ago
從視頻中的中國紅衛兵說法會看出中共如何進行洗腦宣傳.
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西藏大屠杀详细内容：
The loss of life as a direct result of the invasion and occupation from 1950 to 1976 has been estimated as follows: 173,221 Tibetans died in prisons and labor camps; 156,758 by execution; 342,970 by starvation; 432,705 in battles and uprisings; 92,731 by torture; and 9,002 by suicide.
Note that these statistics refer to a period of 26 years, not just the 1950 engagement.
象德国总理勃兰特70年代在华沙犹太人墓前下跪一样，有一天，中国的元首也应当将达赖喇嘛请回布达拉宫，并向他及西藏人民下跪请求原谅。
YAPONLUQ 3 years ago
This kind of "internal trouble" will favor China.
YAPONLUQ 3 years ago
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The chinese is the biggest liar...carry out genocide against Tibet and lied that they are "good" to Tibet..
nusld 3 years ago
1/2 a centuary liar which create by CIA , act living god or big liar ?
kilanggula 3 years ago
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newties21 3 years ago
Why are so many Dalai Lama followers here say that this video is fake or the people are paid?
Why do u think Dalai Lama is so perfect? After all he is only a human, with flaws just like the rest of us. Why cant u accept he also has shortcomings, including in religious freedom and human rights? I am a Catholic but I dont support Pope blindly and in fact there are bad Popes in history. Please use ur own mind and dont be blinded by people in religious garb. Biggest danger is religion & politics mix
newties21 3 years ago 4
100% support for China...go China go!
BruceLeeKickYoAss4 3 years ago
fuck chinese dog gyaltso and adhar
wangqinlee 3 years ago
Sadly, just another piece of Chinese anti-Dalai Lama propaganda.
The truth will prevail, and it will haunt the Chinese government until they start the dialogue of piece, not oppression.
2pasha2 3 years ago
tha fake monk should try his religious freedom in china.
as far as I know them can practice their way of belief, only not allowed at meetings from the Dalai Lama. would be same if catolics were allowed to perform their rituals in prostestant church, while both aren't considered as being wrong and perhaps evil.
this is time all tibetans should be united and get media attention back on their cause since ccp is playing the good guy now with eartquake in attempt to clean reputation.
Valfore95 3 years ago
My arguments were based on trying to bridge the gap between the two sides.
99% of Tibetans are Buddhist and our system calls for the Dalai Lama to be our leader.This obviously may not be the best way to select leaders and it may not be good for Tibetans in the future...but it has worked very well for the time being.
tsetop77 3 years ago
the person in the video is a faggad
kongpo 3 years ago
now Really time 2 Freedom work for Free Tibet
Really sham of this grups
LONG LIFE HIS HOLINESS THE DALAI LAMA
sxyplay 3 years ago
I belive firmly that all Tibetans,followers of Shugden and those that are against have a few things in common. We all want a Free Tibet and we all follow H.H Dalai Lama.
Tibetans ...Shugden followers and against have both sacrificed their lives since 1959 for all Tibetans.
We should also not forget that respecting each others tradition is vital for our survival in or out of Tibet.
tsetop77 3 years ago
"I belive firmly that all Tibetans,followers of Shugden [...] have a few things in common [...] we all follow H.H Dalai Lama".
Are you actually saying there is one only way of being a Tibetan? How is this different from me saying there is only one standard of being an American? That if someone doesn't support Bush she is not a real American. Do you see how undemocratic and restricting your argument is?
burntodie 3 years ago
Drazun pangko Gyatso,Bullshit Bastard Butcher
Bodme rangzen tsod-dhu,Gyamer lakpa tang khen
Dalai kur-wa tap nai, Kho-ray zhota thon-song
Rangla jamkyong jedkhen, Kheyang drenpa me jed
Khed-rang dra-wai mene, Khe-ye drangla me-tsod
Kyab gon Dalai lama, Kut-tse ten-par shok-chen
LONG LIVE H.H THE DALAI LAMA
jangchubdorje 3 years ago
Drazun pangko Gyatso, Bullshit Bastard Butcher
Bodme rangzen tsod-dhu, Gyamer lakpa tang khen
Dalai kur-wa tap nai, Kho-ray zhota thon-song
Rangla jamkyong jedkhen, Kheyang drenpa me jed
Khed-rang dra-wai mene, Khe-ye drangla me-tsod
Kyab gon Dalai Lama, Kut-tse ten-par shok-chee LONG LIVE H.H THE DALAI LAMA
jangchubdorje 3 years ago
BULLSHIT,BASTARD,BUTCHER
jangchubdorje 3 years ago