openSUSE 12.1 Review | The Linux Action Show!

[SuperTechieJ]

Microsoft is taking the same steps as GM. Both GM and Microsoft knew/know they couldn't compete in terms of product quality; so they used the legal system.

GM snuffed out Tucker. Tucker tried to enter the market with decent quality cars at decent prices. GM, Chrysler and Ford teamed up and basically "out-litigated" the much smaller company.

Now Microsoft knows it can't compete with Apple and the Linux platform.

NYSE, NASDAQ, London Stock Exchange, and the Tokyo SE migrated to Linux.

[osmanlitorunu1990]

Fuck Godaddy.com - They are for ACTA

[manlydan95]

je dai le boner

i dont know what that means

but i wanted to say:

i got a boner.

who else likes my poem????

[jakeb1997]

I'm gonna try this distro out today, but I am pretty attached to my mint.

[irigormo]

my suse upgrade was going great until it failed bad media attach point on last 4 files starting with digicam. It took 5 mins to boot and now kde crashed because tmp/var is out of space so now I need to make more space,wonder how to do that.

[91Chanito]

Gnome 3 is the best desktop to personlise, just download gnome-tweak for it.

[AndreSlimer]

I just have to say that I agree with the host that openSUSE 12.1, especially with Tumbleweed, is essentially the most well-built Linux distribution at the moment.

[asininegenius]

I gave this another try on my fiance's Compaq Presario CQ56, a 64 bit system. I was looking for something simple that I could maintain while allowing a new Linux user (her) ease of use. What can I say; it's absolutely horrible. Did you guys even use this piece of crap?

KDE4 is horribly buggy. Everything is patched to hell, and standard features are disabled everywhere. Even XFCE has this problem.

The kernel will not even boot without filling my logs with errors. 2 gigs in 3 days. Horrible.

[asininegenius]

@asininegenius This system is great for n00bs, since you won't notice that under the hood things are going horribly wrong. Errors at boot are masked by a graphical boot screen, which shows absolutely nothing informative...and for good reason. Want to see what I'm talking about? Type 'dmesg' as root.

I would not recommend this to my worst enemy. It's that bad. If you're an openSUSE fan, I'm sorry, but this sucks.

Downloading Salix 13.37 KDE right now. Now there's a good Linux distro. WTF, guys?

[danr8472]

@asininegenius Either you don't know how to read dmesg output or you're using a RC version of that distro. No errors on my side. It could also be hardware related but on my hp hdx it works great. I tried pretty much every main distro out there and this one is solid.

[asininegenius]

@danr8472 I have used Slackware exclusively on my computers since '98. I also run FreeBSD as a multimedia and file sharing server, as well as to provide network access to a few devices, mail, masquerading identd, etc. I'm pretty sure I know how to read dmesg output by now. I also know what a solid release feels like.

This is another in a long line of rushed, beta quality releases by major distributions who try to provide bleeding edge technology. I'm glad you enjoy it. I don't.

[danr8472]

@asininegenius Isn't that the trend these days, to provide bleeding edge technology? Arch does it, so does Suse with tumbleweed. Back in the days, I used to run into crazy problems with suse. broken packages, dependencies errors, crashes etc. This one however feels solid, no errors, something I cannot say about arch which I tried last night.

[asininegenius]

@danr8472 Arch is a rolling distro. Problems should be expected. Unless you are a developer or a tester, it is probably not in your best interest to run. I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying that if you are running a production system, or don't want to be bothered by new, potentially broken software, it's not in your best interest.

I like Slackware and FreeBSD because they are reliable, thoroughly tested, and will never force software updates down your throat.

[asininegenius]

@danr8472 With Slackware, if software requires patching just to function, or demands constant security updates or bug fixes, they are dropped. Everything is provided as it comes from the official software repos, with no branding or tweaking. The admin makes the decisions of when and what to upgrade, install, patch, etc.

Salix, which is a spin on Slackware, basically adopts this same philosophy of conservatism, but is more n00b friendly. These are the only two distros I recommend.

[danr8472]

@asininegenius I did some reading about Salix, It looks good as it is closely tied up to the parent distro, something chakra, for which I had high hopes is not. Thanks for bring this one up.

[sagadiablo]

Where the fuck is Bryan?

[MultiMateo89]

very good show....and informative ;)

[sbugiardo]

My OpenSuse 12.1 experience was AWFUL: slooooow installation, bugs partitioning during installation, bugs configuring WIFI network, bugs shutting down, no dual monitor automatic setup, bugs bugs bugs everywhere! What a nightmare.

[Garegin]

@sbugiardo the package manager calling from the browser is broken. I had to install the package by hand using the terminal. if this happened to apple or ms there would be people with pitchforks outside of their buildings. in ten minutes I can find five out of the box bugs.

[sbugiardo]

@Garegin haha true

@jupiterbroadcasting you owe me two hours of my life and a blank DVD ;-)

[asininegenius]

Been using Slackware forever. I am actually thinking about giving this a go with XFCE. Nice review, guys.

[asininegenius]

@asininegenius Well, I did it and it lasted a couple of hours. I can't help but feel restricted by such an OS. The unnecessary patching and excessive branding is enough to make me run away and not look back. When eliminating brandings (eye sores) becomes more of a pressing issue than configuring the OS and software, it's a big step in the wrong direction for a guy like me.

Although advertised as being for all skill levels, openSUSE is definitely a n00b distro.

[70rm3n70r]

enable rpm fusion in fedora and you will have most if not all.

add vlc and you have it all

[masternerdguy]

SuSe has always been a powerful distribution, mainly because of YaST. I've been using it since 8.1 and YaST was the main selling point for me. I've tried Ubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo, Debian, etc and none of them have such a powerful administration tool.

[ItBeMio]

Y NO BRYAN!?

[schreiberstein]

Where the heck is Bryan? I miss him soo much! :-(

[spitfirelmd]

mustaches 

[drnapster]

open suse is my favorit os but this release i can not get to stop crashing! so many bugs! :( makes me very sad...

[jospoortvliet]

VERY nice review guys! Fun to see how opinions on openSUSE have changed in the last year - from 'meh, yeah, is that distro still alive?' to the awesomeness now :D

If you ever wanna talk about it with me - I'd be happy to be on the show...

(Jos, oS community manager for SUSE )

[SinSchism]

I was a little turned off by their talking about "linux11" as a code. I get plugging, but it was unsavory. $1.99 for 3 months isn't crazy. Server virtualization makes adding a new server a matter of two clicks. They can dynamically share resources so it's not a problem if you use a ton of bandwidth and the others don't.

[bluePlayer34]

liked the news :) great show :)

[kiwicanuck1973]

@jupiterbroadcasting Which os do you prefer Linux Mint 12 or Open Suse 12.1? Do you dual boot into windows to run STO, or have you tried it under WINE. What results did you get if you did? Icons in Gnome 3 and Unity are fugly, they need better icons. Can we get Bryan to record his Fedora bashing rants for the show? Would love to see him back in the show. Kudos to Allan fountain of knowledge, when he can get a word in. XFCE-look for customizing your XFCE DE. Lots of great themes.

[LarixusSnydes]

Software patents should be abolished worldwide.

[reydelatierra]

Yes! Thanks for recommending XFCE. I'm always rocking it on the netbook.

[linktwo]

Best episode ever!

[HDErikBlog]

Where is my intro :/

[snaiperis]

to get x246 codegs in fedora u just have to enable rpmfusion repos and thats it ,then u play a file fedora will find it for u and install it

[MrNevertime]

Speed to get to Yast in gnome 3 is a case of typing super y a s enter. That's as fast as you can expect it to be.

[22ness0hayden]

Is threre any chance of splitting off the android stuff to a separate show? I have no idea what honey comb or ice cream sandwich are?!?

[webmastertool]

@22ness0hayden they are the best operating systems for mobile ever.

[jupiterbroadcasting]

@22ness0hayden I mainly cover Android because it's the largest scale deployment of Linux in the world, the most successfully implementation of the operating system in history, and because it's open source.

-Chris

[22ness0hayden]

@jupiterbroadcasting It may be as you say, but A) There's hardly any mention of Linux on the Android website and B) the SDK developer tools are available for Windows & Mac (infact they're Java based so most of the devs are probably using Windows). It just doesn't really seem to be promoting Linux in my eyes, not nearly as much as the desktop OS's. Sorry if you disagree with me but I just find the phone talk boring and wish it could be separate. Apart from that love your work.

[musl1m]

@jupiterbroadcasting The Android Action Show :D

[Spamazoid]

@22ness0hayden Why it's still Linux, Honey Comb and Ice Cream are just retarded names for versions of the Android OS, Ice Cream being the latest, like Apple IOS is for Iphones

[SlaveExplosion]

@22ness0hayden Google both of them :P



[Linux4UnMe]

My only problem with Suse is that the Installer tries to wipe my root partition on sda even when I am trying to auto partition it to sdb.... Not only that, but when I manually partition it won't let me get past a certain point... says that I already have /home partition even when I didn't. LoL. That was during the RC, havn't tried again since the Final release... this was with default filesystem ext4.

[Spamazoid]

Would love to give Suse the benefit, i've only been able to install Suse a few times in the past, usually they fail during the install process.

the current one seems to stop at the configuration of the bootloader and user account. "Kernel Panic mode has halted the system reverting to Text Mode" which hard locks the computer, it does the same thing with the text mode.

none of the F5 options have any effect.

thats with a high end system.

Mint installer just works, how hard can it be ;p

[Sverro2]

I switched too OpenSUSE this release after using Kubuntu for 2 years. I really like the KDE implementation of OpenSUSE, the nice spashscreen (A lot better than Kubuntu with NVIDIA drivers installed) and OpenSUSE feels a bit faster than Kubuntu. There were some things I didn' t like though. The mouse I always used didn't work properly anymore, NVIDIA drivers had to be installed manually (from the NVIDIA website) and the packaging is slow and lacks some important packages. Perhaps I'll switch back

[VonHOG]

I love opensuse but I'm too stubborn to leave debian-based systems

[FeelItRising]

Opensuse repos dirve me crazy.....nothing seems easy compared to other distros.....I don't have the patience for openSuse

[archlinuxrussian]

yeah, i ditched opensuse. i wanted to try it, and probably will, but have had nothing but trouble installing it. it will not install with lvm (i reboot to "no active partition") and will not delete my previous lvm's when i try to install with regular partitioning. going back to fedora for now lol. anyone else run into that lvm problem?

[mendband]

Wow. I am impressed with how little actual content can be addressed in 55 minutes. Someone mentioned rambling in a prior comment.  Rambling is an understatement.

[Spamazoid]

Mint 12 is still the overall way to go.  It has the best of all worlds with an out of the box experience.

[casterfile]

hey can someone tell me what happen to Brayan ....

[Spamazoid]

@casterfile on permanent hiatus to concentrate on his software/app development business and comic strip.

May or may not return. He has a website you can check out

[palmachr]

@casterfile Took a hiatus to work on other projects.Per his blog "I love the Linux Action Show. But, right now, I need to focus my time on some other areas. (If you pay attention to my various shenanigans, you’ve got a pretty good idea of what I’ll be spending my time on.) There’s only so much one man can do… so I had to make some cuts somewhere."

[RobLoach]

@casterfile I want the "Bryan Action Show" :-( .

[lindsaymobil22]

@casterfile Says on his blog he's taking a break to do some other things

[74ryanwolf]

@casterfile He left :( I was all wondering wtf happened too..

[AciliusOperator]

@74ryanwolf He didn't leave. He's on sabbatical.

[BrownCornelius000]

@casterfile I know he's kind of got his "nose to the grind stone" working on a programming language.

[AciliusOperator]

@casterfile He's on sabbatical(sabbatical or a sabbatical is a rest from work, or a hiatus, often lasting from two months to a year).

[webmastertool]

@casterfile his wife died.

[739199]

@casterfile Where's Bryan?

[Spamazoid]

@739199 this is an old one. Bryan was absent for many months to spend time on his own projects. He's been back for a month

[0neinch]

I look forward to this show ever week. I love linux and I love this show. :D

[mini3013]

Awesome show.

[nvanadium]

Please don't shoot the messenger but 14:54 just because a patent may sound ridiculous as they often are, that doesn't mean that they don't indeed own these patents. Don't get me wrong they shouldn't be able to, but this is how the patent system is so incredibly broken

[applefanpc]

Was that Mac OSX

[codeythesilent]

I hate how half of every single one of their videos is random rambling...

[Hermetiqa]

@codeythesilent

Stop whining.

[codeythesilent]

@Hermetiqa

Fuck you, asstard. Plenty of other people shared my opinion, yet you didn't bitch at them.

[cavibird2005]

Allan's Canadian eh? Keeps saying "a boot" Just connecting the dots don't mind me

[MriBackup]

How is opensuse 12 different from 11?? They both have the same kde right??

[Hermetiqa]

@MriBackup

There is more to a distro than the desktop environments and window manager. Many, many packages have been upgraded and new features have been added.

[MriBackup]

65Rrdt

[CMDRSweeper]

Well some of the features in OpenSUSE that you presented made me go and download for some VMWare testing.

Besides in regards to Fedora he has gripes with a lot of other stufff than just codecs as he said, but that was what he showed us anyway.

[OhHeyItsLou]

To be fair @ChrisLAS the main reason you jumped all over @Fedora 16 is codecs and you quietly skirted around the same issue with @OpenSUSE 12.1 it's evident you just have something against @Fedora and not sure why? I'm not married to @Fedora but be fair in your reviews it only hurts #Linux as a whole when you're not.

[Hermetiqa]

@OhHeyItsLou I agree. How DARE someone have an opinion that is different than yours! How dare they!?

[OhHeyItsLou]

@Hermetiqa I never said my opinion was the only one I just encouraged Chris to be fair. You do remember in the last episode when he accused Fedora of bigotry right? That's a pretty heavy accusation. Even those who don't care for Fedora will agree they're contributions upstream for the good of Linux as a whole has benefited all distros. This type of show isn't for extremists it's suppose to be fair and balanced and it's just my personal opinion that their view of Fedora is way off base.

[mastercontrol5000]

8th! win

[carlblemming]

First!  ....OK not really

[webmastertool]

Sorry i couldn't stay on the live chat for the review Chris i had to go. This is Brandon_R btw.

[JonathanIsrael708]

I remember a couple seasons ago, you (Chris) and Bryan said Microsoft actually seemed like the good guys compared to crap Apple was doing. Boy oh Boy!

[joeyjobear]

OpenSUSE review: 31:10

[TheOutspokenman1]

@joeyjobear Thank you!  OMFG

[TheHackerCrab]

Mr. First... RIGHT HERE!

[foxyd3]

First!

Sorry! I had to do it!

[adamtech57]

@foxyd3 5TH

Sorru! we dont care.