Hydrogen Economy - Iceland

[sm0keshell]

Welcome in Chinese Iceland! ...

[intimeslikenow]

So the plan is to use geothermal to produce electricity use the electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen which is then passed through a fuel cell to produce electricity. Use the hydrogen and oxygen to power an internal combustion engine much more efficient.

[boumar19721972]

@intimeslikenow Another thing is that geothermal can be taped anywhere with the Hot Rock Energy. It doesn't need to be near a fault line.Renewable energy for ever.

[Mrdresden]

@intimeslikenow Hydrogen combustion engines aren't as efficient as gasoline/diesel engines. Using Hydrogen fuel cells gives you better energy efficiency atm. Until we can better extract the energy that hydrogen holds the cells are the way to go.

[proverb311031]

America will not be ready because the right here in the U.S. are only trying to milk the cow for all it is worth the oil cow even if it leaves our country at a disadvantage to the rest of the world in renewable energy! America created solar panel over 50 years ago, and that technology has set on a shelf since it's creation.

They have used the argument that is is not perfected as a reason for not going green, were TV's perfected when they came out, or radios, or any other technology? No!

[sierracuban]

@proverb311031 THIS IS TRUE ! Here in the United States, it's ALL about the car......Our Governor of Florida just rejected over 2 billion dollars from President Obama for a HIGH SPEED RAIL TRAIN SYSTEM......But if it had been money for highways, or for WAR, then he would have taken it......HERE IT'S ALL ABOUT SPECIAL INTERESTS, AND THE DOLLAR......GENERAL MOTORS DOES NOT LIKE TO LOSE......

THEY WILL KILL FOR MONEY.....AND THEY HAVE.....

[couchpotato43]

watch videos of john perkins then you might understand why iceland is in trouble

[funkygamecritic]

lol they said olafurragnargrimson wen it is pronounced ólafurragnargrímson

[dancthegr]

Iceland will own the world when oil runs out

[couchpotato43]

@dancthegr but who will own iceland

[winstonchurchil1945]

i believe iceland will be a prosperous economy, imagine years to come where oil runs out, hydrogen can be produced cheaper than most places, im from britain i can imagine british cars powered by icelandic hydrogen..

[Shamaroth]

@winstonchurchil1945 Unfortunately, Iceland's unique energy independence is largely because we have such vast tracts of (varied) land supporting a tiny population. If this was a country of, say, 5 million, oil/coal imports for electricity would be a significant portion of our energy grid :(

[ICEPEDITION]

@Shamaroth yes- that's what's so wonderful about Iceland- why do we really need more people anyway? If population grown prediction come true, the world will become a disgusting, terrible place in less than 100 years. Let's hope there will always be places like Iceland!

[Rainkkoat]

@ICEPEDITION Iceland's model is wonderfull and fascinating, nevertheless, corporations, private entrepeneurs and emerging economies need 3 basic things to grow, the foremost are "markets" or bigger populations everytime whose consumptions habits create "wealth" or "surplus value" and therefore economic growth. GOOD NEWS ARE, ICELAND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A PARADISE IN COMING YEARS :D

[rulav]

iceland is fine this is some thing that happens to ale contrys.

[annerough]

Iceland is unique in many ways. This little Island has good educational system, 3 universities and god health care. Amazing giving the fact that this little country only has a bit over 300 000 inhabitants. A little bit of wonder when you see how well they have done despite the crash of the economy and ill mannered bank policy for lenders. I hope Iceland will go forward with there hydrogen plans and in a stable manner change transport behavior. Good for them and us. So keep up the good work :-)

[annerough]

When it comes to the economy, most countries have suffered. And as in most countries the little guy has to pay the bill. When it comes to the riches in Iceland it is rater sad that many Icelanders do not know what they have. That been said we have to understand that most of us feel the same way in our own countries. It is as we are blind when it comes to ourselves and we think our country is fab. We do not see the faults others do from outside looking in. But we see others, don't we? :-)

[JuanMiguelArroyo]

you can install turbine to turn and attach to generator which makes electricity

[xennelul]

still their banks went down the crapper, maybe better so they chose for a brief intense pain compared to the US being determined at prolonging the recession

[watchitnz]

Looks like a very cold country.

[whotookmynickkokokai]

this professor is an idiot.. what does the electricity? Oil and gas!

if you use electricity to extract hydrogen, there will be energy losses.. the energy losses is greater than using oil and gas.

so in the end, where do you get more energy to power your hydrogen car when oil and gas is gone?

[mackat4ck]

I think the electricity will all come from geothermal energy and hydroelecticity, so no oil and gas.

[whotookmynickkokokai]

that is too wasting...

energy sure lost...

it is not like we have 50 years energy reservoir

capacity for the whole world

[mackat4ck]

Fair point; but I guess they are still looking at ways to do this efficiently. I heard that ydrogen can be more efficient at storing energy than powerlines though. Also If they were to use technology like CCS at the oil and gas powerstations there would be less co2 and other emmisions. (Obviously this does not solve the oil and gas problem completly, but it could be a start)

[ahumanweaponvideo]

you would use hho to power the stations that make electricity to run hho generators its a simple equation actually oil is simply an easier means to control world economies

[whotookmynickkokokai]

how to you expect to do electrolysis on h20 without using energy from external source?

you cant equate it back...

even fussion/nuclear energy has to use particle mass to form energy...

something has to lose out, in order to gain..

[ahumanweaponvideo]

once the cycle is set in motion ie if you use solar to generate original source of power it can be self generating, its very clear and simple to me but maybe im being nieve

[RTJaKaL]

wow, its funny you say that, my son and I just made a science experiment using a consumer bought solar panel and a couple of small stainless steel plates in water and baking soda. Yea, its small scale, but it works. So if we can do this at home, why cant a well funded facility do it on a larger scale?

[Choken1]

Nobody ever made the claim that they were making energy out of nothing. Everyone around are well aware that electricity is required to split hydrogen from water, including that "idiot" professor.

The Icelanders are exited about this because they DON'T use oil or gas to produce electricity. They use a combination of hydroelectric and geothermal energy which this documentary clearly points out. If this works out for them, they can cut out a huge import cost from their economy.

[Dandrewz]

Iceland uses hot water and other sources of water to make electricity. More and more countries are beginning to make electricity with sun, water and wind. Þetta reddast!

[tundrasheep]

Why does Iceland continue to kill whales?

-They do it in a pathetic attempt to hold onto the past so that they can continue to identify with their bloody legacy of whaling

-It is a blood sport to them and a way of indulging in the sadistic pleasure of killing whales and thumbing their noses at other nations.

-Killing whales is the pursuit of little people with small minds with a lust to destroy creatures more intelligent and more beautiful than themselves.

[JohanGasMask]

last i checked, japan and iceland were the only nations hunting whales also its pretty good for iceland to hunt whales becaues it provieds more food becaues whales eat alot of fish and we get more food and more fish to sell.I respetc youre opinion and i respetc you as a person but whale hunting isint so bad as long as two contries are only hunting

[funkygamecritic]

@tundrasheep all nations have its blood thirsty maniacs

[litetheory]

Make tons of money while deceiving the public, destroying the environment and stealing resources from other countries? Or make very little money doing just the opposite? Tough choice huh?

[rock3tcat]

It doesn't have to be that way, people can make a lot of money by saving the environment and using clean and renewable energy. :)

[litetheory]

Yes I believe it can, but not in the near future, unless a global revolution occurs. The truth is that Governments and Industries are already too embedded in the infrastructure and corruption that the only true way for Green-businesses to penetrate in a global scale is for Governments to see the "supplemental" income it could generate if it were to transit to the new form of business.

[gtatix]

lots of disinformation by ignorant idiots within these posts. Hydrogen is THE WAY. SOLAR can produce hydrogen virtually for FREE!

[buda3d2007]

I agree with that, but how do you store it and when with they replace Platinum in Fuel cells, two major factors that get in the way

[juggernautxtr]

in anyway you look at this shit it's all been the push of green renewable's that's killing the economy.

OH NO'S the world is heating up because of co2 bullshit is the purpose to drive this bull crap. wonder why england with crap and tax still has a 10% unemployment rate.cause they fell for the global warming scam.

[KwokJing]

Funny meeting you here. Hihihi

[Auzaanmos127]

hey dethpk22 , iceland peaple is not dumb, they are like any others people in other countrys,

[jackooboy1]

Interesting how this country is now bankrupt.

[JAM1SN]

interesting how pretty much the whole world is on the edge of bankruptcy.

[Bunanodan21]

were not really bankrupt.. just low on cash and were on a huge debt. But we will get over it, cus were awesome :P

[shfbdfi1273]

remember the Space Shuttle hydrogen tank explosion? Hydrogen is dangerous.

[JAM1SN]

what a noob, a better example would have been the Hindenburg... in any case you have to remember that pretty much any good form of transporting energy is dangerous, you cant contain massive amounts of energy without being dangerous.

[vorjay]

No *YOU* noob! Hindenburg is not a better case. A combination of electricity, fabric skin, paint, and hydrogen caused the disaster not hydrogen alone.

[JAM1SN]

no im pretty sure ur a noob, im pretty sure the electricity didn't explode, and im pretty sure the fabric didn't explode, im pretty sure it was the hydrogen that exploded, it may have been hydrogen, but if it was an inert gas like helium in the Hindenburg then there would have been no explosion, just a bit of burnt fabric.

[vorjay]

it was fabric skin, and flammable paint it would of lit up like a match. Not only that but the structure of the hindenburg was unstable. Go watch some more mythbusters.

[JAM1SN]

what exploded.... i know what was the source of ignition... but what exploded, i know the fabric skin and paint where the cause of ignition and the cause for the visible flames... but without the hydrogen there wouldnt have been an explosion... the hydrogen exploded!

[dethpk22]

i dont think iceland gets anough credit and gets slamed for cold tempertures just because of its names... because there are dum people out there that probley think polerbears would live there..!!no!! hydrogen is also perfectly safe it's the volcanic landscape that not god

[dethpk22]

my mom acualy watched her house burn down when she was about 8 er 10...

o yea i didnt mean to say god lol ment say good

[FakeDaveRowe]

So, how do you make sure that a country, who is about to prove that oil is unnecessary, fail?  Kill it through the banks. Petro-Dollars win again!

[SoPsychoSexy]

Yeah, funny. What killed their banks was their carry trade. One could snag some krona and make a profit by trading to euros. Of course the toxic sub-prime garbage America's banks traded all over the world didn't help.

[adamdren]

It really is such a beautiful country.

Incredible landscapes. I have to visit.

All this debate is trivial, because there will come a point were a choice wont be available anymore and this will be our smartest, long overdue and only decision.

[applenaut]

Yes areharald, I was aware. Were you aware that Hydrogen is more volatile? This would be why they drop Hydrogen bombs instead of Molotov cocktails. I think there are safer alternatives.

[Choken1]

Whoa... back up.

A hydrogen bomb is actually a nuclear weapon. How it works is both complicated and highly classified but it involves fusing hydrogen molecules to amplify the destructive nature of the nuclear detonator. I may not have a degree in nuclear physics but I'm pretty sure they don't just ignite hydrogen gas to make a mushroom cloud.

[Choken1]

It's true that hydrogen is highly flammable, there's no question about it. You should remember though that cars don't detonate on impact like they do in the movies and a car crashes that's likely to rupture a hydrogen fuel tank is likely to kill you anyways whether or not the hydrogen ignites.

[applenaut]

Did we all forget the Hindenburg? You want people driving around in bombs?

[areharald]

You do know that gasoline is actually flammable?

[insAneTunA]

Hindenburg started burning because of the paint that was used. There was not enough knowledge back in those days.Normal gas can ignite from about 10 meters from it's source, that will never happen with hydrogen because it is so light that it will rise up to the sky immediately. Hydrogen is very safe compared to gasoline, but because hydrogen 'can' give a loud bang it scares people. In general people are scared of things that they do not know, that is called primal behavior, use your mind instead

[applenaut]

thanks for clarifying that. my bad.

[JAM1SN]

true that!! hydrogen still needs an ignition source!!

[zogaatiegoed3]

Never see it because of the world's policy??

Come on, if the United States were a little more forthcoming in it's alternative energy policies the past decade(s) similar like countries as Germany and South Korea for example u would've drove a hybrid at this very moment.

As it is now, we will have to wait a couple of years or decades more.

The fact is we are running out of oil.

There is no other way. This is the future.

[saevaroa]

Thats the color. Brown and grey is a better description

[dieper2dieper]

great, it's mine now,

give me back my money,

or piss off from my island

[KhmerD0g]

iceland is bankrupt. iceland is dead. iceland is now frozen ice. iceland is full of white trash bitches

[timboslayer]

Where do you holiday?

[KhmerD0g]

i holiday inside my house. i don't go anywhere during the holidays. i live in the U.S. iceland krona is dead last week. the dollar will die.

[timboslayer]

Oh, I was just wondering why you think a country with, until last week, a per capita GDP of over $40,000 (which is among the world's highest) would be full of "white trash bitches" overnight. I think their econmomy will recover, as will others.

Anyway, happy holidays inside your home, inside America.

[Aronbj]

Iceland is not and will never be bankrupt (It's literally impossible)

Iceland also has the most educated people per capital and will be just fine.

And also the Ice is in Greenland.

So your just wrong on just about everything

[KhmerD0g]

what can i buy with krona? nothing! krona is dead. they will join E.U. and switch to the euro. krona national symbol is dead. iceland will be assimilated into E.U.

iceland owes $65 billions and their GDP is something like $5.4 billions. how can they pay off the debt. they will be slaves to their creditors.

[Aronbj]

I agree that the krona is dead(At he moment at least), but Iceland has always been a fishing economy not a financial economy and it will recover within 10 years or less.

And we also have alot of untapped natural resources at our disposal.

Don't get me wrong the quality of life will decline(slightly) and we're in for some tough times. But it will be fine.

[KhmerD0g]

iceland will not be fine. iceland has food stocks for about 3 to 5 weeks. after that they will need to do something, like go out and fish. since icelandic people are very protective of their fishing industry, they will resist joining the E.U. resistance is futile because they will go hungry soon. either join E.U. or die on their own.

their financial institution is now control by the government just like north korea or cuba. hahahahaa. commie iceland.

[saevaroa]

You are a stupid man. We have enough food in the county for everyone. Fish and meat. We are not your everyday european here. We are hard working innovative and ready for everything.Thereis so much in the pipes in Iceland.Tourism,Trolls,Elves,H­idden people,vikingsagas,geneticrese­arch, hydrogenandothergreenenergy,wa­terfalls, geysers,Ice,snowvolcanos,great­nature. Wehavesurvivedinthislandforman­y centuries.Weareofvikingblood. Strong bloodandsmartblood.Wedontthink­likeyou.Wewilljusttakeuptheold­habits

[KhmerD0g]

tourism? hahhaa. u are joking. who is willing to exchange krona for gold or other real currency? the only vikings i see are trolls roaming around the world looking for someone willing to take the worthless printed krona. hey viking, let's me know if you found somebody willing to take your national trash - krona. iceland is isolated now. get use to the fact that the rest of the world is ignoring you icelanders. your country is broke and now begging IMF for pocket change just to have the light on.

[saevaroa]

I challenge you to come to Iceland :-)

[KhmerD0g]

i would if i could. there is no way to exchange U.S. dollar for krona. nobody wants krona, except your own country. how can i spend money there? u want me to walk around like a zoombie in a bankrupt country doing nothing like your unemployed people? besides, your country inflation is like zimbabwe. i see a lot of zeros on your currency. your government even consider dumping the krona in favor of the euro.

i bet your country has problem paying your salary as police officer.

[KhmerD0g]

i would not want to come to iceland (for now) because mass protests are taken place. i'm afraid of my safety.

[saevaroa]

Lol there are no mass protests. It is all very peaceful. The news media portray a unreal picture of it. What you see as a big protest aint so big at all. Because we are so few. I'll even escort you hehe lol

[diej0o]

You know what is funny? Both Saevaroa and I speak/type better English than you despite being Icelandic. If you are going to run around and point fingers and shout out offensive comments then you can expect more fingers pointing back.

[KhmerD0g]

so u can speak english? but do u have money to buy food? LOL

[diej0o]

Needless to say, of course I do. Generalizing shows ignorance and a short fuse. If I may, I will indulge myself into insulting you but you will probably not understand what I am saying. I believe that from whatever country you are from that you lack in manners and, judging from your spelling, intellect.

The game is yours, use your cards.

[KhmerD0g]

hahahaaa. u are just some homeless garbage from a bankrupt country trying to show off whatever u have left. get a life. there is no hydrogen economy in iceland. there will never be one. your thermal energy is taken over by foreign aluminum mills. they are in control of you and your future. u have nothing left. so many young icelandic people are already moved out of that tiny island in drove. only the garbage like u still stuck there. krona is dead. reykjavik is dead. iceland is a wasteland. LOL

[canascot02]

@KhmerD0g and yet thry still have one of the world's highest standards of living..... by the way, I noticed you don't tell where you are from on your channel, perhaps you could share as your country must be so much better.

[KhmerD0g]

@canascot02

USA of course.

Iceland is already bankrupt. food is getting expensive and jobs are hard to come by. Iceland needs IMF to bail them out of a jam they got themselves into.

[canascot02]

@KhmerD0g HAHAHAHA oh the USA, of course, how might I have guessed. So tell me, how much debt is the US in. Last time I checked it was $12, 939, 712, 037, 976 or about 13 trillion dollars, or about 42, 000 dollars for every american. This stat is from the 17th of May. And it increases $ 4 billion a day. Also Icelands unemployment rate is 7.7% while the US is 10%. You do the math smart ass.

[KhmerD0g]

@canascot02

so we collapse together. the entire western civilization will collapse. it will be fun.

[canascot02]

@KhmerD0g hahaha alright then, if that's your idea of fun lol. but i don't think we'll callapse, it's only gotten better since the recession so odds are it will contimue to do so. And i don't know about the USA but here in canada there are government signs for our economic action plan everywhere highways, arenas, public recreation centres etc. and their investing in all this infrastructure and creating jobs, and in my city stores are being built and already existing ones are being renovated

[funkygamecritic]

@KhmerD0g WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!­!!

[KhmerD0g]

@funkygamecritic

u are going down too. the world economy is going down.

[saevaroa]

You should come and see how Iceland is. It is not as bad as people are talking about in the news. You would get a lot for your dollar because the krona is low. The problem as I see it is that many believe that we are better off outside EU. Of course with a small currency like krona the flu comes faster and harderthanformostcountriesbut we are in apositiontobesooneroutofitthan­most othersandthatisbecauseof howcircumstancesarespecialhere­.Look atournephewsfromFaroeIslands. Theyarejustdoingfinenow:-)

[brassas]

"Iceland is not and will never be bankrupt (It's literally impossible)"

Then all the news must be wrong? And why must They loan money then?

[KhmerD0g]

a year has passed. how is is iceland today?

u said iceland will never go bankrupt? well????

[RedElfur]

:D well iceland´s reykjavík is small and cosy :) i been to big cities in europe, once to ur country. it was lil too big for me :) our countries both have their plusses and minusses. im just sooo annoyed these days how people are going mad, throwing shit at each other.

did u work or study here?

[RedElfur]

hahaha XD u were probly soldier here? at least u talk like one :)

[RedElfur]

itsohsoshot:

ur not very well educated.

go read before u shit over others "darling" :)

[PhotonDrive]

This is dummy old tech.: STILL the FUEL FIXATION! Solar modules can split the H2O WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING! Why don't they think of it? Excuses (like Texans)- not enough sun. Easy Hydro-electricity, so why bother? All over the world the GRIDS are breaking down: so yes, it IS worth the "bother" to build new-type vehicles that are truly Fuel-Less! Poor Islanders, it is so simple, yet far beyond their limited imagination & skills.

[timboslayer]

Yes, we know. People are already making them, and using them, but Lo and Behold they're not catching on. Hmmm. I wonder why...

I didn't mark you down BTW. Perhaps someone with a Texan connection did.

[heroman2011]

oh and goodforrj we used to have a military base there until 2006 when the base closed and i had to move to england + there are no hydrogen reserves dumbass hydrogen is a man made fuel

[heroman2011]

goodforrj your a dumbass you cant just take over a country dipshit ummm let me think it has a goverment.

think dumbass think

[dogspawn]

Given the current economic climate, I do not think this video is appropriate.

[Carriochella]

Iceland has both extremes in one place, hot and cold temperatures through Steam and Snow, they need to hook this infrastructure up to a few stirling engines, to make hydrogen which is then placed in the stirling engines instead of air. Every icelandic home could have hot water pumped to them from the springs and then this could power a stirling engine in each home with the hot water passing one side of the stirling engine and the other end connected to the exterior of the home. Yep, Awesome.

[Goodforrj]

YEAH. I think if they wanted to, they would. They are pieces of shit.

[Goodforrj]

if the United States decides that it wants hydrogen, it will just take Iceland over (they don't have much for a military) and take control of the hydrogen reserves just like they do in the middle east with oil. It is so sad but so true. I hate our government.

[trex250]

LOL! The US taking over Iceland if it wanted too.LMAO!! Ever heard of Nato......? Iceland is Nato as is the US and you think the rest of Nato would let big mighty America take control here? NOT!

[ChemicalMikeUK]

funny but probably true. water becomes the desired commidity like oil is today. and we already know that countries LOVE to fight over stuff like that.its happening today,(as you already know, no doubt) ;)

[paweleve]

try bathing in power plant waste water in the united states...

[kiddpepz]

you will wake up the next morning whit 3 legs

[jquilkin]

lol

[greatatan]

I've saw this station on my island trip the previous month... but why the hell the price is in euro (9'17) while it's the Islandic Kourone (ISK) which is the official currency in Reyklavik (and they don't accept euro) ??

[rimmy06]

AWESOME BABY POLAR BEAR COUNRTY

[Runepriest442]

Iceland is positioning itself to be the new Middle East, and once the world has drank up all the oil they will be left to boil in the hot desert alone and no one will give a shit!!

[PacRowSF]

SIGUR ROS!

[the1gaur]

woohoo! Iceland rules!

[WarriorFootball]

people remember that oil has alott of influence in our goverment structure. So to think that anything that will treaten that will be allowed is dumb. I wish we could cast aside or dependency on oil. That would shure show the stupid arab country how fucked their economy would become.

[paweleve]

true true

[Dancing88Mike]

The Mid-Atlantic Ridge

[MaRkIGnO90er]

how much it costs?

[Roy23Gold]

Interesting - but fails to discuss the problems of Hydrogen storage in cars due to volume of liquified hydrogen being 9x that of Gasoline

[jazzeffc]

if it weren't for oil companies who want a slice of the hydrogen sales, cars would be fitted with the mini electrolysis machines on board.

that means they would produce hydrogen on demand. no need for storage. way better for the environment

[Roy23Gold]

However - As things stand today it takes more energy to split water than the resulting Hydrogen can deliver

[jazzeffc]

i dont think thats true. (sorry can't provide evidence, not a scientist :P)

[Roy23Gold]

Sorry -- but it has to be true. If it were not the case we would have "perpetual motion". One could simply loop it round "ad infinitum"

[nick1181]

The first and second laws of Thermodynamics ought to cover it.

Hydrogen is a storage medium, not a primary energy source.

[saevaroa]

I think that is just a matter of product develpment. If we look at history the first petrol car wasn't a very good one I believe.

[saevaroa]

I hear them talking about cars with hydrogen and a rechargeable battery (plugged). So you can use the battery for shorter distance and hydrogen for longer distances. It is very viable and feasible. I think they already have those cars. We will probably see it in couple of years.

[MassiPacchio]

i think we will never see those cars according to the world's policy!

[Choken1]

@Roy23Gold. There's very little energy lost in the electrolyzing-fuel cell process.

A fuel cell engine is far more energy efficient than a combustion engine.

You're right about the storage problem though. However it is because hydrogen is stored in form of gas, not in liquefied form.

There's also the problem that you require electricity to "make" hydrogen and if you pollute to make electricity anyways then it becomes counter productive to switch to hydrogen since it's supposed to be green.

[saevaroa]

There are cars that run on water. I think

[zeromnia]

Nanotechnology.

[lesmcluffalot]

Kewlios

[angelinakitty]

great vid. iceland is a beautiful country. this is such a good thing. i hope other countries do it. thanks

[CommanderUTube]

I am surprised to see so little ice in Iceland. This must have been filmed in summer.

[wotan20]

They way I know Iceland is a misnomer. It should be called Greenland and vica versa. I'm only half-joking.

[saevaroa]

Some people say it was designed that way by the farmers that settled in (that did not want to be vikings and kill each other) so that the vikings would go to greenland and not kill and rob the Icelanders.

[wotan20]

'Saevaroa', that is as good an explanation as any I've heard. Beside, a 'bit of deception and mimickry has frequently been used to aid survival both in Nature and in Human societies. Canada for example originally meant a lowly village in one of the native tribe's tongue. Too bad that the French and later English explorers didn't understand the word, and conquered the whole continent regardless. :D

As they say; sometimes you win, sometimes you loose.

[brassas]

Greenlenders aren't they eskimos? I don't think we can call them vikings

[saevaroa]

No you misunderstand me. The naming of Iceland and Greenland was designed in a way to bluff the vikings to go to Greenland. Wether it worked or not is not the case. Just the fact that it was dont to fool potential attackers. There are stories about vikings sailing to greenland and as far as america. I never said that Greenlanders that is the eskimos were vikings. The vikings did not settle in in greenland. They died out. And no one knows why. Maybe because they could not tolerate the cold

[brassas]

Aha...now I understand, what you mean. That could actually be a good idea, but I don't think it worked, since both Iceland and Greenland was discovered and settled by Vikings. Im sure Ingólfur Arnarson and his fellow Viking people, Knew what they was dealing with. They were busy as you know. Adminstrate Northern Great Britain and found Dublin + raid rest of western europe, but also help their Swedish viking brothers in raids eastwards

[saevaroa]

Maybe you could say it worked because all the vikings that tried to settle in in Greenland died out.

[brassas]

Eirik Raude or Eirik The Red founded the first Nordic settlement in Greenlandin 985. He was Born in the Jæren district of Rogaland, Norway. But That was long time after the other Norwegian Ingólfur Arnarson, founded the Icelandic settlements. Greenland settlements vanished during the 14th and 15th centuries, likely due to famine and increasing conflicts with the Inuits.

[saevaroa]

I think it is fascinating how far they sailed and in what conditions. I heard that some of them sailed as far as Constantinobel.

[saevaroa]

You are only half joking I think because. Iceland was first called snowland because all they could see first was snow. And where they settle first in in Greenland is in east part and on a very small area there there used to be a green place. So they both got their names from a relatively small areas. Or isolated circumstances. But I like better the story of the vikings that became farmers in Iceland calling it those names to divert other viking attackers to Greenland.

[langbrok]

Why? because of the name? Iceland is green and greenland is mostly covered in ice. Last winter it was raining all the time here in iceland but very little snow.