Split-time Anti-spun Butterfly Wallplane Flower

[skateboardkid]

I can do this now I know what its called!

[AlienJon]

For degrees or crossover/twist, inswings, introversions, inversion,insides and more sillyness: Google Rev's Spherculist Manifesto. It's on spherculism's forum.

[AlienJon]

Loops (petals) equals (=) poi cycles (beats) minus (-) longarm cycles. In-spine is (+), anti-spin is (-).

So, antispin: 3-(-1)=4.

In-spin: 5-1=4. Trifoil: 2-(-1)=3.

Cateye: 1-(-1)=2, the top loop and bottom loop of the ellipse.

2-petal inspin: 3-1=2.

5-petal star: 3-(-2)=5!

It goes on and on like this!

[LilRaverBoi308]

Thanks for all the helpful info! That helps a bunch....I like mathematical stuff, so that really puts it in a way I can understand.

[nevisoul]

Hey dude, some time to scare the shit out of me with your über intelligent mathematics and thoughts about spinning but I do love it so keep it going :D It´s probably just me that lacks on IQ to understand the language you speak.....

[AlienJon]

You've just invested all of your IQ points in spinning poi, rather than decoding Alien poi garble >_^

[freedomcaller]

ok when you say your doing a 3 beat antispin flower i think your actualy doing 4 beats because if you would follow the trail of your poi, you would see 4 circles, and you also have 4 circles when you do the move, because of the antispin of you arm u get one extra beat without spinning, or maybe im counting wrong, but i see what your doing, just unshure of the count ;)

great tutorial anyways ive seen this move many times and could never figure out how the hell it was done, thanks!

[LilRaverBoi308]

Thanks for the comment! Yeah, it could very easily be 4 beats....I just counted three when I was feeling from my hand where I have to put more force into it to keep it going. I kinda thought 4 made more sense, anyway, but I kept counting three my way....but after watching it, I can kinda see 4. Who knows! LOL. I hope my video helped you learn! That's the most important thing for me.

[freedomcaller]

yeah it helped it also made me realise i was counting my beats wrong as well...

THANKS!

[AlienJon]

This move is specifically a 4-petal (4-loop) split-time opposite antispin in wall plane.

If by beat you mean 1 full rotation of the poi, then you are correct. A 4-loop antispin only does 3 beats.

Try turning a little more and going though buzzsaw plane for a cleaner variant. Or try a 4-beat TTN with inswings and morph it to this!

Freedom Caller: what you counted as 4 circles is actually just 4 loops. Google "hypotrochoid" and you'll find some nice spirography mathematic illustrations of it.

[LilRaverBoi308]

Jon, thanks a bunch for your clarification! It was kinda confusing me that I was counting three beats and it was making 4 petals....still a little confusing how that works, but I guess it's just a part of poi artistry....kinda like how the hand motions of the reverse BTB weave are the same as the forward weave! I appreciate your input on this matter!

[AlienJon]

Hehe, the reverse BTB thing is a matter of reflective symmetry. Imagine having your face on the back of your head, like Nick Woolsey's mask in the BTB tutorial vid. A given pattern doesn't change if you turn around or put it behind you. You change your relation to it. It's poi relativity! Try spinning a buzzsaw in one place in space and walking all the way around it.

By spinning, we are intimately experiencing fundamental laws of our universe. It's the equivalent of your body taking physics. ;-)

[LilRaverBoi308]

Yeah, I think that a lot of people underestimate how much physics is involved in spinning....cause to be honest, it's wrapped up deeply in every single motion, simple or complex.  Whether someone realizes it or not....but knowing it definitely helps!

[AlienJon]

Physics is people making a system of understanding to unify our understanding of the reality we live in and the underlying patterns. We spin poi/glowsticks in that reality and we look for cool patterns in our spinning so it seems like they go hand in hand!

Finding harmonic frequencies and proportions in space and time makes spinning beautiful. After all spinning is like music played in space rather than sound.

[LilRaverBoi308]

Wow....that's deep, yo! ROCK ON! Props....I always kinda felt that some sort of enlightenment was a prerequisite to advanced poi technique. LOL.

[AlienJon]

It's 3 beats, 4 loops aka petals.

[freedomcaller]

this beat stuff has me confused, for flowers i just count petals, and i count a new petal every time the poi reaches the exterior point of the large circle.

and i cant find any videos on a 4 beat ttn with inswings, what is it?

and thanks for the tip, on bringing it to buzzsaw plane, lots of fun especialy since ive just been learning all the buzzsaw flowers!

[thedayofrave]

You're insane... I'm just now starting to realize how bad baseballs must hurt... shots to the knuckles and knees... I'd die DX. awesome tut!!! I'm getting it, slowly but surely!!! Flowers are my enemy DX

[nosight69]

Great tutorial.

Could you do one on rock the cradle?

[LilRaverBoi308]

I'm sorry, but WTF is that? If you can describe it in a PM I might be able to work something out.

[AlienJon]

What I know as "Rock the cradle" is a Barrel-roll (1st-degree inversion) that you gently stall out on your arms so that you can reverse direction.