Faith = lack of ability to reason. Religion is training to prevent critical thinking. America is full of bullshit religion. Bush, Romney all of them are ill-equipped to lead anyone. They are followers.
I love how the get on the black guy for being offended by Romney saying "freedom requires religion" which means basicly atheist do not like or want us to have freedom. I mean as an atheist should i NOT be offended when someone questions my morality like that?
Yes, Mr. Murdock has every right to be offended by such tripe. In fact it is usually freedom that is directly pitted against the self-divined people and leaders of faiths.
Wrong, you can't consider atheism a RELIGION. No more than you could consider "not believing in unicorns" to be in a religion. After all they BELIEVE that there are no unicorns to believe in. The big, final, point here is that a rational person should only accept propositions when there is EVIDENCE for them! We rationalists are still waiting... we've been waiting for thousands of years, so operationally we consider the proposition null, but not dogmatically so.
If you're cool with it I can place my recent response to Lawrence O'Donnell. He seemed to have many of the same erroneous views on us as you do. The series is four videos long, but I address a great deal. I also include a link to the O'Donnell article at the Huffington Post
I address all the salient points in it. I'm not going to make two sets of videos that say the same thing just to address every single manifestation of misunderstanding.
My video is as relevant to this vid as your caption was, the difference being that my vid is accurate.
You have your facts a bit out of whack in your 'about this video' caption. Those who came over in submersible air tight barges were not of the 'lost tribes of Israel' in fact that migration happened before 'Israel' existed on this planet. That migration happened at the time of the Tower of Babel. The migrations that had Israelites occurred in two separate instances over a millenia after the tower migration.
Whoa, you must be serious? Air tight barges? Native Americans came over from the land bridge from northeast asia. This was tens of thousands of years before your myths describe this incredible nautical adventure. Joseph Smith was an utter fraud and a polygamist.
plug Ether Chapter 2 into google and you'll have the account and description of the barges, they're making and the details of the voyage. It's like two chapters. Doesn't take long to read.
Oh I've read the Book of Mormon, The Doctrine n Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, etc. etc... all spread from a strange cult founded by Joseph Smith. Notice how lucky it was for him the golden plates vanished back to heaven right away. Mormonism is essentially the ancestral history of a successful con-job in the 19th Century.
If you have read them all then you should do a refresher before giving a synopsis, because much of what you said was not accurate. The whole DNA thing and mixing up the migration groups. Often when people mix up such details it can be a betrayal of an overall tendency to not have approached the whole of the issue with any regard for impartiality.
What has happened with the magic stones? Why do you wear magic underwear? Are blacks inherinetly not mormon? Why aren't the golden plates still around?
I'm not aware of magic stones or magic underwear. Blacks have been members of our faith since the days of Joseph Smith. Joseph gave one of his horses to a black member of our faith so he could buy his son's freedom. Joseph also ordained several Black men as Elders.
And there's no reason for the Gold plates to be present, just as there's no reason for Christ to be appearing on talk shows.
hmm, Jesus a living human with a finite amount of time to live, you think is comparable to a chunk of metal, that could easily last thousands of years... So what of the seeing stones, are they gone too? Why aren't the gold plates still around, should the morons keep them somewhere safe?
Jesus the resurrected Christ. I would think an immortal, perfect human would have a much longer shelf life than a hunk of metal, especially a hunk that consists of precious metal that's commonly melted down as it passes from possessor to possessor.
So joesph smith or whoever, never used any seeing stones to translate the gold plates? Where the gold plates written in english then? Your biggest flaw with your religion is basing it on an absurd religion to start, christianity. If you had the balls to make a relgion from scratch, like the imaginative Scientologist, you could atleast have made it more convincing.
Don't be cute, the magic stones are the urim and thummim, used to decode the magic golden plates. Don't ask me how a weird device and translucent stones translate ancient languages. Magic underwear are temple garments, worn after you are married in the temple. The marriage itself, until very recently, involved someone applying holy oil to your wife's naked body through a sheet. Sounds unbelievable and I guess that it certainly should.
None of those items are 'magic' and we've never claimed them to be. So if anyone's attempting 'cuteness' it's YOU, not me. If you cut the crap communication will go a good deal better, but I get the notion that clarity is not what you are seeking in this interchange.
I'm sorry that you consider hearing the basic facts about the doctrines of mormonism to be crap communication. I think it is important that people know all the fanciful ideas our potential president takes as literal truth, with less than zero physical evidence. I would like the man with the nuke launch codes to be ultra-rational, something incompatible with mormonism.
You do not present 'basic' anything about Mormonism. You overly simplify and distort, and it's easy to make nuclear physics look bad if you don't care about being ACCURATE and if you don't mind looking stupid yourself.
I asked some other moron, I mean mormon, where are the gold plates and conviently some angle took them, because the gold would cuase people to missbehave. But I've heard no mention of where the super cool seeing stones are. Maybe the stones got take away, too much of a risk, risk of proof.
All things that were taken away were taken away to prevent further condemnation from befalling those who'd be disobedient to God even if they saw, and were addressed by, an Angel of God.
Or because they might supply at least one shred of evidence for mormonism's ridiculous claims. Let's talk about how you are strongly "encouraged" to donate 10% of your income to the church, lest you be chastised as a part-tithe payer. A con-job and racket of the most ingenious yet insidious form.
What about the billions of dollars spent financing thirty years of thought on a theoretical physics theory that, after three decades, has failed to even demonstrate that it's science?
I'm not personally against studying string theory. But I'm demonstrating that it's pretty easy to set something benign up as a con-job and a racket.
Theoretical physics is not the same as Joseph Smith making up a North American bible in a room behind a sheet with non-existent gold plates. If you can equate the two... it demonstrates how far the leeches have burrowed and how well they've dined. One starts with theories and tests them, the other starts with conclusions and tries to justify them without evidence.
tithing tend to abide the other precepts, and as a result live 8-11 years longer than their peers in the general populace, one wonders why you aren't screaming at the con-jobs that are the state lotteries or latte pushing corporations with their addiction outlets on every corner? Does an expensive Mocha every day give people an extra decade to live?
Following "divine" rules laid out in a "Word of Wisdom" may well help you live longer. Having a good diet, not smoking, not drinking all work towards this end. Fear of not getting to the celestial kingdom is a great enforcement tool too. I'm still waiting for you to tell me how this proves _any_ of the fantastic claims made by your "prophets".
It's also curious that those who do pay the 10 percent of their income tend to have better economic conditions and stability overall. (and I don't recommend getting into the whole Utah and bankruptcy thing, I can debunk that faster than you can post a vid to youtube.
I know plenty of mormons, most fall solidly in the mid, upper middle classes of Utah and Idaho. There are also those poor hangers-on that you undoubtedly know as well. The ones who seem to be members just so the church will buy groceries for their 9 kids or pay their bills. Still waiting for any proof or evidence for your wild beliefs that dark skin was originally a curse from god.
Simple factors of Darwinian evolution cause certain efficiencies and deficiencies to appear in different populations. Does that make the theory of evolution 'racist'?
JS said : God created dark skin to punish bad behavior.
"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them,even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity ... as they were white, exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord : I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people." 2 Nephi 5:21-22
in 2 Nephi 5:21-23 God cursed the Lamanites with a "skin of blackness," before 1978 blacks were not able to participate in Church.
Since God removed the "skin of blackness" one year after Lamanites' conversion, (3 Nephi 2:15), God must turn the skin of MODERN Lamanites white within one year of their joining the LDS Church too, no?
God does neither , so the THINKING non-brain washed individual, concludes the B of M is false.
They were allowed, and have always been allowed to participate in the Church.
And the answer to your second paragraph is no. There are several Lamanite conversions in the Book of Mormon, only one instance of skin color being changed afterwards.
There is no racism in the doctrine. There have been racist members in the past, even racist leaders, but the doctrine has never been racist, unless you believe Christ is a racist.
@qualityfemale Blacks have always been able to participate in the LDS church. There were certain positions they couldn't hold. But we are not racist. Ask any black Mormon, or watch the black Mormons on YouTube who will tell you the church is not racist. I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being a member of any other church. The LDS church offers more spiritually for blacks than any other church.
Romney does have a more difficult job of explaining. He believes that native americans are originally from Israel and came over on primitive submarines. DNA directly connects native americans to asian heritage, oops Joseph Smith was a fraud and wished to have polygamy and racism be divine.
Romney's a mormon?
donbear1983 1 year ago
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elantriv 1 year ago
Faith = lack of ability to reason. Religion is training to prevent critical thinking. America is full of bullshit religion. Bush, Romney all of them are ill-equipped to lead anyone. They are followers.
intactivist1 4 years ago
6 billion people on this planet. There really isn't enough room for your ego.
chadandbarby 3 years ago
@intactivist1 If you had faith and believed in religion, you wouldn't be typing the sh-word on the Internet for all to see!! How rude!!!
cindybin2001 8 months ago
Here's what Mitt Romney hasn't told you about Mormonism:
/watch?v=n5dscqcNOGM
beingisbecoming4 4 years ago
I love how the get on the black guy for being offended by Romney saying "freedom requires religion" which means basicly atheist do not like or want us to have freedom. I mean as an atheist should i NOT be offended when someone questions my morality like that?
bobdigital21 4 years ago
Yes, Mr. Murdock has every right to be offended by such tripe. In fact it is usually freedom that is directly pitted against the self-divined people and leaders of faiths.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
Although you could consider atheism as a religion, seeing as they BELIEVE that there is no divine being to believe in.
ArmedWithAComputer 2 years ago
Wrong, you can't consider atheism a RELIGION. No more than you could consider "not believing in unicorns" to be in a religion. After all they BELIEVE that there are no unicorns to believe in. The big, final, point here is that a rational person should only accept propositions when there is EVIDENCE for them! We rationalists are still waiting... we've been waiting for thousands of years, so operationally we consider the proposition null, but not dogmatically so.
operationmongoose 2 years ago
If you're cool with it I can place my recent response to Lawrence O'Donnell. He seemed to have many of the same erroneous views on us as you do. The series is four videos long, but I address a great deal. I also include a link to the O'Donnell article at the Huffington Post
HiveRadical 4 years ago
Not relevant enough to this vid. If you want to make one explicitly for this vid you may certainly post it.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
I address all the salient points in it. I'm not going to make two sets of videos that say the same thing just to address every single manifestation of misunderstanding.
My video is as relevant to this vid as your caption was, the difference being that my vid is accurate.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
You have your facts a bit out of whack in your 'about this video' caption. Those who came over in submersible air tight barges were not of the 'lost tribes of Israel' in fact that migration happened before 'Israel' existed on this planet. That migration happened at the time of the Tower of Babel. The migrations that had Israelites occurred in two separate instances over a millenia after the tower migration.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
Whoa, you must be serious? Air tight barges? Native Americans came over from the land bridge from northeast asia. This was tens of thousands of years before your myths describe this incredible nautical adventure. Joseph Smith was an utter fraud and a polygamist.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
plug Ether Chapter 2 into google and you'll have the account and description of the barges, they're making and the details of the voyage. It's like two chapters. Doesn't take long to read.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
Oh I've read the Book of Mormon, The Doctrine n Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, etc. etc... all spread from a strange cult founded by Joseph Smith. Notice how lucky it was for him the golden plates vanished back to heaven right away. Mormonism is essentially the ancestral history of a successful con-job in the 19th Century.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
If you have read them all then you should do a refresher before giving a synopsis, because much of what you said was not accurate. The whole DNA thing and mixing up the migration groups. Often when people mix up such details it can be a betrayal of an overall tendency to not have approached the whole of the issue with any regard for impartiality.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
What has happened with the magic stones? Why do you wear magic underwear? Are blacks inherinetly not mormon? Why aren't the golden plates still around?
BayerLexan 4 years ago
I'm not aware of magic stones or magic underwear. Blacks have been members of our faith since the days of Joseph Smith. Joseph gave one of his horses to a black member of our faith so he could buy his son's freedom. Joseph also ordained several Black men as Elders.
And there's no reason for the Gold plates to be present, just as there's no reason for Christ to be appearing on talk shows.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
hmm, Jesus a living human with a finite amount of time to live, you think is comparable to a chunk of metal, that could easily last thousands of years... So what of the seeing stones, are they gone too? Why aren't the gold plates still around, should the morons keep them somewhere safe?
BayerLexan 4 years ago
Jesus the resurrected Christ. I would think an immortal, perfect human would have a much longer shelf life than a hunk of metal, especially a hunk that consists of precious metal that's commonly melted down as it passes from possessor to possessor.
HiveRadical 4 years ago 2
So joesph smith or whoever, never used any seeing stones to translate the gold plates? Where the gold plates written in english then? Your biggest flaw with your religion is basing it on an absurd religion to start, christianity. If you had the balls to make a relgion from scratch, like the imaginative Scientologist, you could atleast have made it more convincing.
BayerLexan 4 years ago
Don't be cute, the magic stones are the urim and thummim, used to decode the magic golden plates. Don't ask me how a weird device and translucent stones translate ancient languages. Magic underwear are temple garments, worn after you are married in the temple. The marriage itself, until very recently, involved someone applying holy oil to your wife's naked body through a sheet. Sounds unbelievable and I guess that it certainly should.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
None of those items are 'magic' and we've never claimed them to be. So if anyone's attempting 'cuteness' it's YOU, not me. If you cut the crap communication will go a good deal better, but I get the notion that clarity is not what you are seeking in this interchange.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
I'm sorry that you consider hearing the basic facts about the doctrines of mormonism to be crap communication. I think it is important that people know all the fanciful ideas our potential president takes as literal truth, with less than zero physical evidence. I would like the man with the nuke launch codes to be ultra-rational, something incompatible with mormonism.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
You do not present 'basic' anything about Mormonism. You overly simplify and distort, and it's easy to make nuclear physics look bad if you don't care about being ACCURATE and if you don't mind looking stupid yourself.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
I asked some other moron, I mean mormon, where are the gold plates and conviently some angle took them, because the gold would cuase people to missbehave. But I've heard no mention of where the super cool seeing stones are. Maybe the stones got take away, too much of a risk, risk of proof.
BayerLexan 4 years ago
All things that were taken away were taken away to prevent further condemnation from befalling those who'd be disobedient to God even if they saw, and were addressed by, an Angel of God.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
Or because they might supply at least one shred of evidence for mormonism's ridiculous claims. Let's talk about how you are strongly "encouraged" to donate 10% of your income to the church, lest you be chastised as a part-tithe payer. A con-job and racket of the most ingenious yet insidious form.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
What about the billions of dollars spent financing thirty years of thought on a theoretical physics theory that, after three decades, has failed to even demonstrate that it's science?
I'm not personally against studying string theory. But I'm demonstrating that it's pretty easy to set something benign up as a con-job and a racket.
Since those who pay
HiveRadical 4 years ago
Theoretical physics is not the same as Joseph Smith making up a North American bible in a room behind a sheet with non-existent gold plates. If you can equate the two... it demonstrates how far the leeches have burrowed and how well they've dined. One starts with theories and tests them, the other starts with conclusions and tries to justify them without evidence.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
tithing tend to abide the other precepts, and as a result live 8-11 years longer than their peers in the general populace, one wonders why you aren't screaming at the con-jobs that are the state lotteries or latte pushing corporations with their addiction outlets on every corner? Does an expensive Mocha every day give people an extra decade to live?
HiveRadical 4 years ago
Following "divine" rules laid out in a "Word of Wisdom" may well help you live longer. Having a good diet, not smoking, not drinking all work towards this end. Fear of not getting to the celestial kingdom is a great enforcement tool too. I'm still waiting for you to tell me how this proves _any_ of the fantastic claims made by your "prophets".
operationmongoose 4 years ago
It's also curious that those who do pay the 10 percent of their income tend to have better economic conditions and stability overall. (and I don't recommend getting into the whole Utah and bankruptcy thing, I can debunk that faster than you can post a vid to youtube.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
I know plenty of mormons, most fall solidly in the mid, upper middle classes of Utah and Idaho. There are also those poor hangers-on that you undoubtedly know as well. The ones who seem to be members just so the church will buy groceries for their 9 kids or pay their bills. Still waiting for any proof or evidence for your wild beliefs that dark skin was originally a curse from god.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
You missed what I said?
I said that the the dark skin has never been the curse, it's been the mark of some curses, but it's never BEEN the curse.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
It's a racist and simplistic notion any way you would like to slice it.
operationmongoose 4 years ago
No it's not.
Simple factors of Darwinian evolution cause certain efficiencies and deficiencies to appear in different populations. Does that make the theory of evolution 'racist'?
HiveRadical 4 years ago
HiveRadical:
JS said : God created dark skin to punish bad behavior.
"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them,even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity ... as they were white, exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord : I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people." 2 Nephi 5:21-22
qualityfemale 4 years ago
It wasn't to punish anyone. It was to keep them seperate. It was to keep them from mingling UNLESS the Lamanites repented
"thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities."
You left off that last part. The marking was to keep the curse from coming amongst the people of God.
Their loathsomeness to the Lamanites would cease if they would repent.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
in 2 Nephi 5:21-23 God cursed the Lamanites with a "skin of blackness," before 1978 blacks were not able to participate in Church.
Since God removed the "skin of blackness" one year after Lamanites' conversion, (3 Nephi 2:15), God must turn the skin of MODERN Lamanites white within one year of their joining the LDS Church too, no?
God does neither , so the THINKING non-brain washed individual, concludes the B of M is false.
LDS RASCISM - deal with it. It's GOSPEL!!
qualityfemale 4 years ago
They were allowed, and have always been allowed to participate in the Church.
And the answer to your second paragraph is no. There are several Lamanite conversions in the Book of Mormon, only one instance of skin color being changed afterwards.
There is no racism in the doctrine. There have been racist members in the past, even racist leaders, but the doctrine has never been racist, unless you believe Christ is a racist.
HiveRadical 4 years ago
@qualityfemale Blacks have always been able to participate in the LDS church. There were certain positions they couldn't hold. But we are not racist. Ask any black Mormon, or watch the black Mormons on YouTube who will tell you the church is not racist. I'm a convert to the LDS church and can't imagine being a member of any other church. The LDS church offers more spiritually for blacks than any other church.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
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vorosfold 4 years ago
Romney does have a more difficult job of explaining. He believes that native americans are originally from Israel and came over on primitive submarines. DNA directly connects native americans to asian heritage, oops Joseph Smith was a fraud and wished to have polygamy and racism be divine.
operationmongoose 4 years ago