Developer Blog #2 - Melee Basics Part One

[1998Hermann]

Melee combat in skyrim is a lot more realistic...just sayin.

[TheFilnizer]

@1998Hermann Mele in skyrim is not realistic, its swing and block and more powerful swing.

[HackVirusCheat]

@1998Hermann this is alpha footage.....

[Shootemout01]

The most fucking stupid thing in AoC is that a two handed sword swings faster than a mace (not a flail) and a short sword.

I realize that this is for semi-balancing reasons, but seriously?

[sorribes09]

i like, nice work, and i have a question, Do you have some tutorial for create games?

[MrDeludedPenguin]

dodging and jumping is retarded. I actually laughed when he jumped over it.

[Megalocarbondon]

@MrDeludedPenguin Its a dev blog from alpha. Obviously the animations need work but the devs have took what alot of players currently do in aoc and other fps melee games and intergrated it into the game.

[MrDeludedPenguin]

@Megalocarbondon and now from my honest feedback they can change it :p whats your point?

[Ibraheem327]

Game LOOKS AWESOME!!! Please add an adhoc play to this game... Oh and a story mode would be great.

[N0rtyBen]

Still haven't seen first person melee combat done better than Dark Messiah

[foxfingers]

@N0rtyBen sure in single player, multi-- not so much.

[CHADALAK1]

UDK ftw ^_^

[toomuchbeatzgo]

this game looks awesome!!!! great job!

twitter/Pierre_Gerard

[DerpBanana]

People move their feet/thighs when they swing swords.

Seriously, brush up more on animation.

No offence.

[FLAMEUGT]

So why is there only 3 basic attacks and not four like MnB? No left to right swing, only right to left? =(

[foxfingers]

@FLAMEUGT three basic, varied per weapon with the ability to angle or aim those 3 attacks, so each attack is aimable in 3 dimensions. Theres also other attacks like charge attacks and kicks and bashes.

[ContyS228]

ADD KICKS TO THE GAME. Chivalry is going to be a popular game, similar to MnB Warband, so please don't screw this up. )

[foxfingers]

@ContyS228 kicks are in, so are sprint attacks and shield bashes and more :D

[UBOATss]

no chance of making dust clouds when the feet move? i think it will be cool...nice job!!

[Quivna]

wow is this an MMO ? .... tired of waiting for Darkfall to fix their shit i wish this would come out

[xILLxChronic]

I hope this is actually released, I'm tired of seeing great games in development that never reach completion.

[tallset2]

Remove the jumping to dodge a weapon. Silly

[foxfingers]

@tallset2 its not silly, u can jump in the game, and the player can swing at your legs to try to evade your block. Blocking has to be aimed so to speak, so if you see a guy swinging low to get around blocks, you could jump instead of blocking low and counter attack.

[tallset2]

@foxfingers

I wouldn't jump dodge that in real life.

What I would do is close back four feet.

[foxfingers]

@tallset2 seems in this game that and dodges and blocking are your options. IRL i would turn and run away really fast if an armored guy attacked me with a sword. to each his own i guess!



[tallset2]

@foxfingers

I stabbed somebody last night. Each to their own I guess.

[foxfingers]

@tallset2 i got some stabbin in last night my ownself.

[jameseastick]

where can i gt this??!?!?

[OhareLife]

Legs need to move during a swing.

[naev0]

Did you see that knight? He was using a curved sword. Curved. Sword.

[ziRomE]

People and their comments. Swear the people with the biggest gripes have never done any modeling/animation. Then try getting all that over to a game engine. It's not easy guys, give them a break. Remember it says alpha footage. Great start, hope to see a lot more.

[DerpBanana]

What the fuck is this shit? You know when people swing swords they move their fucking thighs.

[plaguesofwrath]

This isn't a new mele idea... In both Elder Scrolls: Arena and Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall, you control the direction of your mele swing with the mouse. It's a good idea, and I wish more games would use it, but it's not new by any means.

[foxfingers]

@plaguesofwrath the new part is that after you execute a swing you can still control its path of travel during the swing. Blocking works the same, if the attack angles high, the blocker must then meet the attack by agling the block higher too. If you block low on an upward moving horizontal slash you will 'miss' the block and get hit.

[xJimisGRx]

Holy fucking god, this is so good. I want a viking based game with this mechanic. Man would be so boss.

[extragunbon]

@xJimisGRx Mount and Blade Warband: "Vikingr" mod. That's your game.

[xJimisGRx]

@extragunbon Pretty bad that mount and blade is shit, though.

[extragunbon]

@xJimisGRx I don't think you'll like Chivalry, then...

[xJimisGRx]

@extragunbon Chivalry looks boss, mount and blade looks like a '99 game... terrible graphics and immersion...

[extragunbon]

@xJimisGRx Graphics? Ok, nevermind we ever spoke...

[xJimisGRx]

@extragunbon Who would like to speak to an anime fan anyway. gtfo. You wont tell me what to like. GTFO again.

[extragunbon]

@xJimisGRx lol

[corsair831]

this all sounds very nice for duelling, but the first person view combined with the mouse controlled blocking means mass melee will suck

[MrCombatemortal]

Mr. Tiberius Bane can you get this game on xbox live please, I would pay a fair amount of gold.

[Schlitzaugen]

mount and blade was not pure FPS. thats half TPS.

[UchihaKuriso]

Awesome. Oh, and the sand looks out of place. It has wind trails like the desert sand. Arena sand wouldn't have that kind of wind trails, or trails at all. Yes I know the game is not finished yet, it just caught my eye. I like everything else tho. lol

[SuperOnasi]

I actually think the swing speed should be slowed slightly, and that sketchy dodge mechanic removed.

[spycheckerz]

@SuperOnasi I agree with slowing down the swing speed. I'd say the dodge mechanic should stay, but as a ducking movment to avoid swinging attacks.

[taylor189]

is this still a hl2 mod or is a standalone now?

[Samzsite]

@taylor189 I think it uses UDK now.

[Gothardt0078]

No horses????????????

[PhenomenalHeadShot]

Ha Ha i was just talking to some friends about making a Mount and blade remake with better graphics, i looked it up to see if anyone had done it yet and this popped up. Nice. lol

[Skoomax]

@PhenomenalHeadShot Been thinking about making that, but ... I'm no expert

[ThisisSigma200]

OMFG didn't evene know this was coming :O

[igorbog88]

Dodging is the stupidest shit I've seen. Either change it or remove it.

[OrmindoThePaladin]

@igorbog88 Dodging/running away made the Man at Arms the most annoying class to face in Age of Chivalry. He could just run into your fully armored knight, stab 0.5 centimeters of his sword into your armor, take off one third of your health and run back undamaged.

[Screamingreader]

@igorbog88 It's fucking Alpha footage. Of course dodging is going to be updated.

[xJimisGRx]

@igorbog88 Dodging requires skill. Love it or hate it.

[sk8bamsk8]

@igorbog88 This is in alpha I doubt these are the final animations. You are clearly too ignorant to appreciate the work that has gone into this game so far.

[RUSDarling]

@igorbog88 dodging is ok, it only needs beter animations

[BrainBurnStudios]

@RUSDarling На самом деле это не из-за анимации...Эти резкие прыжки как в Unreal могут запрасто испортить весь геимплей..И конечно найдутся те , кто будет этим пользоваться и портить игру.

[SuperGamer87]

@igorbog88 Why so mean about it, bro?

[Einherjar212]

@igorbog88 A simple new animation can fix that. And this is the alpha, no doubt the developers want to change it, or most likely already have.

[VonTavast]

@igorbog88 Dude of course they are going to add animations to it or else it would be madness. It's not even in Beta stage yet so take it easy.

[flames100000]

@igorbog88 You think dodging is stupid because you probably would suck dick at it and would get slain like a noob.

[Trebor6127]

Blocking with the edge of the sword? Using slashing attacks against opponents wearing armours? What fucking bullsiht is that?

[LSMortalOnline]

The idea of combat is very similar to actual Mortal Online melee combat, is quite the same idea... in mortal the alpha was almost the same:

Great graphic, great rendering, great movements...then they tried to put players togheder in the game and they realized that is impossible for an Mmorpg..

[ParadoxFC]

The guys at Taleworlds that made Mount & Blade could learn some valuable lessons from this.

[OverlordYesh]

@ParadoxFC all they need to do is improve the graphics. Once they do Mount & Blade will be better.

[Thevincent1241]

i would pay 60 for it

[S3fR0]

Ye animations do look a bit cheap when he dodged back and ducked sorry to say but im a critic.

[ncshuriken]

Nice! Reminds me of the arena matches in Oblivion, but with far better graphics and flying barrels! BTW you should include a training mode where this angry fat instructor bloke chucks barrels at you to hone your reflexes, and rage screams every time he lobs one. If you deflect a barrel back at him, he starts giving you death threats and you unlock a hidden mode or something, barrel match LMAO.

[nickm34456]

this looks like a better version of Mount and Blade in terms of melee and aesthetics, could use a bit less bloom though

[element5333]

can you teach me how to make models like that? 0.0

[FirstPersonSlayer]

Work a little more on animations. They look awesome in FPS! but not in TPS :(

[ShaggaSonOfDolf]

why the mount and blade hate? cant you guys enjoy this game while enjoying another? I play mount and blade all the time but I still love age of chivalry, they are both awesome games that excel in different areas.

[OfficerRedis]

I see you are going for more of a Late Medieval/Early Renaissance look.

[Terskov]

legs don't move at all! You need more animations + variations of the same animation. find a good animator.

And it is good that first of all you doing a fight system - thi is the main thing!

[saberdam]

this game looks like a joke against mount&blade warbands. Only UE3 is a profit.

[foxfingers]

@saberdam lol wut

[Audiodump]

@saberdam

So this game, which actually has good combat, looks worse then the clipped together, lo-res, glacially paced, game about assaulting a static fortress full of oblivious guards? Yeah, come back and say that when I can't just kite 400 people and win.

[MetalPower86]

@saberdam i hate mount and blade warband lol

[saberdam]

@MetalPower86

because you suck?

[tenegon]

Seriously dude, someone is going to die if you don't release this game soon..

[JJarolsavv]

Character movement looks shit!

[tenegon]

How much people are working on this masterpiece?

[Vesanus234]

It's not dead - Creators are making another vid this weekend (10-11 sep)

[SgtTeeh]

The first trailer didn't look that good, but this looks interesting. I wish you the best of luck developing this and hope it turns out good. Thank goodness for the small studios, god forbid the big ones try something new.

[GUITARPLAYAx93x]

Where is part two? Is this game still in development or dead? I've heard nothing about it for quite some time

[MultiEugenios]

Mount & Blade with better graphics?

[djiminezgamer]

@MultiEugenios your kidding right? why is this thumped up? mount and blade sword gameplay sucked, only fun part about that game is making your life up. This game here man.. this game here is all about that medieval combat scenario

[Sanchous77]

@MultiEugenios M&B gameplay is much more better.

[vetobandito83]

herp derp copy and paste age of chivalry with better graphics, dont wate your money on this shit, mount and blade warband is older and better if you want skill based melee. other than that you might as well be playing age of chivalry for free on steam

[foxfingers]

@vetobandito83

same team who made age of... you don't want to miss this :P

[dlomng]

Will we get the beloved Decapitation, Headshot and HeadSmash stuff?

[Whatever4690]

2 points is this better than m+b combat,and WHY CANT MMORGS HAVE THIS SORT OF COMBAT INCLUDED.

[TheMacyoo]

i also think at least half of all aoch lovers are realism fanbois and cant play games that dont have top notch graphics.

[LeggoMyNooks]

just started the game two days ago, and I had no idea you could use the duck key to dodge or double tap direction buttons to dodge as well! cool vid

[TJ5897]

@LeggoMyNooks You can't in AoC, but you will be able to in this game

[LeggoMyNooks]

@TJ5897 oh i thought this was AoC, but then I read the desc. it was Chivalry: mw

thanks for the heads up

[lefandeM]

The combat system pales to comparaison to M&B.

[TheMacyoo]

@lefandeM probably, this looks like a clone of m&b combat. the double tap dodges and jump/duck almost made me jizz but they didnt mention if its possible to feint or hold attacks or chamber etc cus without that it's too dull when it's almost impossible to fail a parry. m&b also has kicks wich are rly nice.

[krontaar]

this was the kinda shit i was expecting to come out for the wii when they announced it

[yaypyroo]

It's like an inferior Dark Messiah.

Nice idea, but Dark Messiah did it WAY better.

[omfgFrenchFag]

Age of chivalry was good, Chivalry medial warfare will be epic !

[MegaPISSTITS]

You're suppose the block with the flat part of the sword not the edge, otherwise it would get chipped.

Do some research guys.

[bilwit]

So basically this is a shiny, shittier version of Mount & Blade.

[darklordixor]

@bilwit No basically this is the better version of Age of Chivarly which is better than mount and blade in the combat department. Age of Chiv has a stamina bar and recoil when you are blocked unlike in spamfest warband.

[bilwit]

@darklordixor So basically you're saying that this is a POS version of Warband.

[TJ5897]

@bilwit Warband's combat was terrible, so no this will be much better than M&B, the current mod for half life 2 is better than M&B

[TJ5897]

@bilwit NO! AGE OF CHIVALRY WAS OUT LONG BEFORE MOUNT AND BLADE. This is the full game, which is based off the mod Age of Chivalry. Warband is a spam fest, this requires timing and managing your stamina.

[CrunchyPotatoes]

@TJ5897 I just want to correct you. Warband isn't a spam fest and if it is for you then you are playing it wrong :/ This was not intended to offend you. And btw see you in Chivalry! ^.^

[Settlerplay]

Isn't this age of chivalry?

[WoYendor]

Looks kind of like warband but shit.

[MsSloppyseconds]

@WoYendor nub

[Gmmm]

Good thing that they are fixing the whole 3rd/1st person rigs. You don't know the times I would say

"oh yes, he missed now I wil......"

*head gets blown off*

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[mousesports1]

Make this mmorpg pls

[spideyrockz4ever]

@mousesports1 no...that would take away the skill from it. besides...wouldn't you like it better if you could face up against the pros just by being good at the game, not by having the best gear?

[TJ5897]

I'm aware this is a very early alpha but I do not see a hp meter or stamina

[FrogBlastTheVentCore]

@TJ5897

Maybe that's the feel they're going for.

The knights of old didn't use hp meters!

[TJ5897]

@FrogBlastTheVentCore yeah but the knights of old also didn't have huds. I'm fine with no having an hp meter as long as if they don't use the CoD system of sucking your thumb for 10seconds and regrowing a leg.

[SuperiFox]

@CounterSteakSauce They don't have separate 3rd and 1st person rigs for the characters.. So, for gameplay purposes they need to keep the head still.

[darioushebanks]

WE WANT DEVELOPER BLOG #3!!!! WE WANT DEVELOPER BLOG #3!!!! WE WANT DEVELOPER BLOG #3!!!! WE WANT DEVELOPER BLOG #3!!!!

THUMBS UP SO THEY SEE THIS!

[fabelhaft94]

I want this game NOW!

Looks so amazing good job developers i definetly will buy this game!

[mitchellman12345]

one person didnt have breakfast yet

[lepape2]

What about lag?!?!

[Born2kill2891]

Please be cool and ,make this game for the Xbox 360!

[Yosemited]

@Born2kill2891 HAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Born2kill2891]

@Yosemited  ?

[electroneticTV]

I hope dodgeing will be limited. I

[r3420083]

1 person has no sense of what a good game is...

[ThePonz87]

1 person has not chainmail: he's wearing a skirt

[MichaelxDavid]

Definatly looks more intense than AoC. Finally no more rapid-fire-block-anything heavy knight parries.

have no sound as I watch this but from what I'm seeing your speaking about how swinging horizonatlly vs stabbing vs vertical swing is now about more than just damage and speed, you've made it so that to get around blocks and parries you have to choose your swings carefully. Meaning this game has a much sharper learning curve than AoC. I hope you have a single player mode or tutorial 4 this

[Baptisedinblood332]

For the dodging by double tap keys, walking rly fast suddenly, I hope it costs a lot of stamina. Easy to abuse such stuff.

[KhaoticKaos]

this may have changed my stance on this game....it looks....interesting

[MasterLife695]

Is this a source engine game?????

[NabsterHax]

@MasterLife695 Unreal engine i believe.

[MichaelxDavid]

@MasterLife695

Its on the UDK (unreal engine 2.5 I think)

[Mkilbride2599]

@MichaelxDavid

UDK is 3.0, not 2.5

[SuperiFox]

@Mkilbride2599 It's actually 3.825 or whatever they called the Samaritan Demo.

[musicman9300]

IMAGINE THIS ON PS3 MOVE :D:D:D:D

[Guuunston]

Are you sure that sword's not too big for you?

[Guuunston]

Is your sword too big?

[neverhoodyn]

This is how i have imagined good FPS melee combat for years now. Thanks for making my dream a reality. I really hope this will be moddable.

[lethalvortex]

looks epic:D

[RaykinDF]

Does anyone know when its open to public testing?

[capcaunu69]

PERFECT !

[lukasbu95]

it is a really good game

[7GIGEO7]

WOW

[RoelBartstra]

It would be more realistic if they hold longer swords with 2 hands. Swords are really heave, and to swing them like that you need 2 hands. The only reason not to use 2 hands is when you have a shield, and then you would probably carry a shorter sword anyway.

[danshyu]

@RoelBartstra Those are broadswords, which were not meant to be used by both hands. They also have two handed sword, just not show casing them here.

[foxfingers]

@RoelBartstra

Looks like broadswords and a cutlass/falchion. The game is still in alpha, i'm guessing we will see more classes and weapons and shields in these blogs as we move forward.

[varfare]

@RoelBartstra It's not truth. Bigger swords are not better. They are heavier and thus you get tired faster. Plus, you are helpless at short distances. Anyone who is faster and has shorter sword can easily kill you. Obviously, longer swords are allowing you to keep your enemy at the distance but that's why mankind invented polearms. Big swords were never popular. They are usually about 1 to 1,5m long to keep their weight at 1 to 3kg level. Anything above is not handy at all.

[Mkilbride2599]

@varfare

Soldiers whom could wield great swords were paid more than than regular soldiers. They were used against cavalry before the invention of pole-arms, you could call them their fore-fathers, so yes, they were really popular.

[RoelBartstra]

@varfare I didn't say bigger swords are better, I just thought that some of the swords look very heavy and to swing it with one hands is hard in real life. If you swing it with 2 arms your attack will be more powerful, if you hold it as a defens with 2 arms, you can hold it steadier. But I'm not an expert at this, but now it looks a little like fencing.

[shaedies]

Definitely intresting

[Asmo54]

@shaedies Quite.

[Rosenzweigjcb]

Patrick wasn't lying when he said this was going to be an interesting update.

[PytoX]

map & fighting looks sick :o

[Millertheman]

stamina should be there but purely for sprinting

[ares5566]

you guys deffinitely realized what you did wrong last time plz tell me theres no stamina system