Titeres de los Elites,del imperio como siempre,quitan y ponen a quien se les ocurra para evitar que los paises de America Latina se organizen,y asi no sean mas objeto de explotacion economica y social por parte de los EUA. Micheletti el nuevo titere del imperio en America Central.
La revolucion no es para todos. Es para el que tiene valores humanos y para al que no necesaria mente este sufriendo de la oprecion del gobierno, pero mira sufrir a los demas y dice vasta! Hasta qui llego el maltrato y el engano del sistema capitalista, que hasta el dia de hoy nos a estado explotando y esclavisado para hacer al rico mas rico, y al pobre mas pobre. Hoy decimos VASTA! El pueblo se a unido a una voz, y como hemos visto el sistema capitalista esta cayendo. Viva La Revolucion!
Girode, we as a latinos rather deal with somebody that belongs to our culture and to our blood than be dealing with foreign invasores looking for a ways to get an acces to our natural resources so they can make big profits re-selling us as a finished products, y para hablar de la problema latinoamericana se necesitarai una semana en este sitio para analizar las influencias malas y/o buenas de los ee.uu en nuestros paises.
This is very simple: Chavez had the backing of the army in Venezuela. Zelaya doesn't have the backing of the army or the majority of the people to radically change the constitution. The "coup" is a term used by groups funded by Chavez, Ortega and like minded dictator wannabees to start a new era of Latin authoritarian "paradises." I am so glad Da Silva doesn't fall for this shit in private....he knows...
Bottom line, this was coup and Robert Michelliti just sent a dangerous message to the world that anyone that does not like a president it is ok to exile him or her at gunpoint. Perhaps we should start take out Obama...yeah, that sounds good. Or take out Pepe lobo at gunpoint as well....uhmmm?>
Just maybe the supreme court and military option was appropriate because if not, we may have opposition supression activites like Chavez does in Venezuela? uhhmmmm??? If you have an opposition that wants change that radical, then radical reactions happen!! If you think for one minute the is some equivalence between Obama and Zelaya, then you may be a leftist!
There is nothing in the constitution that says the Supreme Court and Military can exile a president at Gunpoint. This is nothing to with Chavez, that is just a an excuse for the coup done my the elite groups and business man. Persnally I think they should re-write the constitution and give more power to the people.
But there is something in the constitution about "referendums and plebicitos" and the constitution says that if you even suggest changing (like zelaya more than suggested and itended) you cese being president and canot hold ofice for 10 years and you are acused of treason... that much is clear. Now how to execute this clause is up to the imagination and resourses and, and this is important, SUPPORT of all government enteties including and specially the Military
Lets not forget the Honduran Constitution, written under the military government of U.S. stooge Policarpo Paz García in the early 1980s, is draconian on this subject of re-election and holding individuals to a single presidency. I personally think it goes a little too far. Granted, dictatorship was a huge problem throughout the Cold War in Latin America.
Yes you are right that the article 239 is a little radical, but honduras is a radical place as far as political chinanigans and I truly dont feel that Honduras politics have mature enough and it democratic institutions are strong enough at this time to change this article and alow what has happend in venezuela and what is about to happen in Nicaragua to happen. where a strong populist grabs power simply doesnt go away and not necesarily because the people want them.
"The "coup" is a term used by groups funded by Chavez, Ortega and like minded dictator wannabees "..like every "%$" country in the world is funded by those three insignificant third world countries US included!!!!!
What you typed made no sense. I am talking about Latin America. I have relatives in the Sandinista who hate Ortega, on top of what I know about Chavez's ambitions of a "socialist" paradise. Venezuela is NOT a third world country, but with Chavez's help, it's getting there!
The argument against Zelaya has always been that he wanted to remain in power. This is a pre-empty speculation, but he always said was that he wanted to ask the people to find out if they agree to form a constitutional assembly to re-write the constitution in such a way that it favors the majority of the population.
Nowhere in the Honduran constitution can the supreme court of the congress remove the president from power. There is no such a thing as "impeachment." This is a fact and therefore the argument of Micheletti is flowed and obviously untrue.
Eventhough the report is definetly bias in favor of Zelaya at least I give you credit for mentioning the reason why he was ousted although there are many vidoes of Zelalas intention to stay in power and does not mention the heavy influence of Chavez in Zelayas actions.
How is it Bias? Please elaborate more, it seems to me the real danger are the coup leaders that practically militarize a nation and censored certain radio and channel stations. Not only that, but use the aggression and intimidation to their fellow countrymen who favos Zelaya.
funny how the same statement can be made valid if you replace the country with "Venezuela", but now the oppostion is bad! I know the game! and don't think we're stupid! and then you will get your answer to the reasons for the reaction!
Again, why bring Venezuela in this? Keep your eye on the ball and recognize even though Pepe Lobo (more like Puppet) won the election, hardly no Latin Countries would recognize him as a president. He is an Outcast.
Because I understand the geo-political situation of the "New Left" in Latin America. You have the Dunce Chavez, the dumb or somewhat quiet Ortega, the intellectual Correa, and the boring Morales. Then you have the circle of reality in Kirchner, Bachelet, and Da Silva who simply are happy NIMBYs.
Lula has not improved living standards for a large percentage of the population? You are just alergic to anything that sounds vaguely leftwing, I think. "Boring" Morales...right.. that's his political legitimacy destroyed by your sharp analysis then.
Lula's pretty good, he is a closet liberal, most of them are when they sober up, just as Raul Castro is slowly becoming....if you actually could read what I type, "circle of reality" is that Kirchner, Bacheley, and Da Silva are actually GROWING their economies while Chavez, Ortega, and Morales are destroying their economies...I am still unsure about Correa
I read "circle of reality" and was evidently none the wiser!
Lula does have a lot of continuity with FHC, yes. I know Chavez is increasing equality without overall increasing living standards in absolute terms:ie: he is improving things for the majority with some deterioration for the better off, as far as I understand it, unlike Lula who has roundly managed to bring them up.
If you sincerely believe that Chavez is helping Venezuela, then you need to see his approval ratings, or the intense inflation occurring, or his inability to extract oil because he kicked out the oil companies who actually knew what they were doing!
Well, that is my understanding from what I see, hear and read. Looking for approval ratings, I see AP in November of this year has 46,2%, a drop from 52,8% in October. Are those the figures you are referring to perchance? Despite the objections of a student of mine from Chevron Texaco a couple of years ago, Venezuela was retaining the services of oil multinationals, but conditioning contracts on greater local participation. Have the companies been kicked out now? I hadn't seen that.
Well, yes, now, he has been calling the oil companies back when oil prices per bail have fell...and he's rhetoric doesn't have the same hubris. "Chávez reopens oil bids to West as prices plunge" NY times, hopefullythe times isn't to "right wing for you!"
The NY times, from the odd article I get, is apparently less right wing than most US mainstream media! It's true that, unfortunately, developing countries need the technological help of multinationals, when it comes to extracting oil, etc. The key, I think, is to make deals that are fair for the country, as Evo Morales did in renegotiating Bolivia's gas contracts to increase state revenue and give companies some profit, but not the lion's share.
I'm not denying the source is valid, nor the reference in particular. I do know the NY Times has some excellent journalism at times.
I'm merely stating my position vis a vis the general politics of the source, because I know some things are considered left wing in the US that are seen as right wing elsewhere!
The Economist is a good quality news source, albeit right wing. I think Granma can be dodgy despite being leftwing! :)
This is not a popularity contest, I go base on facts, progress, social reform, democracy and human rights. And right now, Honduras has nothing of that what so ever thanks to the military coup...which it is and will always go down in the history book as the Coup that took away democracy, rather than preserving it
If you are sincere on that, you would see Chavez's governance as it is: an authoritarian wanting to become a dictator, using all means to crush his opposition...no matter how "bad" the opposition may be. And your "no threat" comments are frankly weak, I go to Nicaragua regularly and know first hand Chavez sticks his slimy hands there.
Things like this do not happen without a reason, Zelaya played a dangerous and reckless game in Honduras. I live in Honduras and saw first hand how by force and intimidation while presidentZelaya tried to railroad the country to a socialist state where he could be in power forever like chavez is doing and ortega is trying to do. it was not a military coup it was all the honduran institutional organ against a run away president doing lots of crazy things.
Things like this happens when business and financial interest effects the elite group and US interest. Why were they so afraid if Zelaya, perhaps he would have definitely won the election and a new Constitution he was going to rewrite.
Actually, someone else would have had to write it because Zelaya's term was going to end on 27 January 2010 anyway (a Constituyente would probably have had to occur under a hypothetical legitimate Pepe Lobo government -unlike the current Pepe Lobo "elected" gvt. based on fraudulent claims of 61% participation etc). So they weren't as afraid of Zelaya as they are terrified of popular democracy.
Zelaya is part of that elite you are talking about. If you know anything about honduras you would know that this is all about business and politics is the biggest business in Honduras... Zelaya is no idealist, he is an opportunist that tried to become another caudillo. He won his first election by fraud and was planing fraud to keep himself in power... there are no good gus here...
Honduras' not very democratic institutions have historically joined together to participate in coup d'etat in the past.
Look around and you'll find just about every coup d'etat in Latin America has a percentage of people claiming those coups were justified, from Videla, through to Pinochet, and beyond. I have heard defenses of these coups many, many times. Some people actually believe these things.
I don't know about all those coups because it is all history to me, but I saw first hand how Zelaya was ilegally taking the country where the mayority of the hondurans did not want to. I think what happend in Honduras was a very Honduran problem and a very honduran solution. This coup is unlike any other in history. if you see honduran society and how it's insitituion works you will see that there is little regard for the rule of law in honduras at anytime in it's history
Hi there. (btw:The "majority of Hondurans" had no say in removing Zelaya, on the contrary, he was removed before he could consult them on much-needed Constitutional reform). The coup has a couple of "innovative" pretensions in the form, not in substance. The political environment in 2009 means there is less support for coups than before, and they have to be further disguised, whence the 100s of 1000s of US$ spent on PR.
There are also some Honduran precedents I quote, using ** for emphasis: "[General Oswaldo] Lopez' hand-picked civilian government won the 1971 presidential election, but quickly made political and economic misjudgements. ***With the approval of nearly all the key civilian sectors***, Lopez disavowed his own creation and, on behalf of the military, seized the presidency for himself"
His government then tried to introduce some modest reforms to keep the peasants and poor quiet. Again I quote:"By 1975 the promise was dead.***It fell victim to the groups that traditionally crushed hints of meaningful change.***The large landowners' association (FENAGH) and the right-wing Council of Private Business(COHEP)condemned the reforms for, of all things attacking***"the democratic system, liberty, and individuality***"[Lafeber, Inevitable Revolutions, Norton NY, 1993 pages 262-263]
So to conclude from those extracts: There is nothing new about 1) the oligarchy getting uppity about modest steps towards improving conditions for the poor in Honduras 2) All the institutions, as today being complicit, and as you mention, largely uninterested in the rule of law per se 3) The discourse at the time was the same hypocritical discourse as today: the guy being removed in a coup is paradoxically accused of being against democracy.
And further I would ask: you say you "saw first hand" what happened. Just to make a point: were you in the presidential palace, etc, or did you read it through the news? If Honduran news sources, were they of the majority media owned by Larach, Wong Arevalo and the other golpistas? There is a recent documentary on how the Chilean paper El Mercurio tried to prepare public opinion for the Pinochet coup before 1973.If anything the Honduran papers are far cruder than that.
I saw it first hand, I lived it I saw Zelaya's arrogantly act as if he was a dictator, I know first hand of his corruptions and the criminals that he put in the goverment like is buddy chimirri and what he did in hondutel. you cant cover the sun with you thumb Zelaya is not the answer for Honduras. I agree with you that Honduras society (civil and political) need reform, but you need to change the root causes. not take advantage of them for political gain and power like zelaya had in mind.
Even if you do not agree with Zelaya and his politic, do you support a a military coup? IF he committed such a crime why not take him to the supreme court? Why exile an elected democratic president at gunpoint?
That is of course the fundamental question. It is not as though the Supreme Court was pressing charges against Zelaya and then the military made a "mistake" of sending him out of the country. The actions from start to finish characterised a coup, which the Court has thankfully no powers to carry out.
Zelaya had his own media propaganda machine with Canal 8, just like venezuela, Zelaya had his propaganda produced in Venezuela. Zelaya had statues of himself made along with the founding fathers on the nation, I feel sad for all the people that think that zelaya, chavez, castro, morales , lugo , ortega and correa are idealist that care about the poor. they are just as bad if not worst than the far right. and most of these guys have serious mental problems especially chavez and zelaya too
I think you are making a sweeping generalisation about all those leaders you mention. ("chavez, castro, morales , lugo , ortega and correa"). From what I know of Evo Morales and Fernando Lugo, to name but two, they are among the millions upon millions of people who actually want to do something about the "root causes" of inequality in Latin America as you say you agree with. You say it, but Evo Morales has spent his life actively in this cause.
You are right Nicos, generalizations are not good, there is a spectrum as you notices I did not include silva and funes in the list.. I used to be center left but I have moved to center right since hugo chavez took the lead of the left. I found Chavez an interesting alternative and amusing in the beginning but now he is not interesting and not at all amusing. he is a scary guy.
A problem with Chavez is his figure is used in the mainstream(ie:rightwing)world press to generalise about the left in Latin America because he is extreme in his form.I think that even in Venezuela,Chavez is not that important compared to the widespread social movements that brought him to power. Likewise,I would refute the notion that Chavez "leads"anywhere but in Venezuela(Aside from in the sense of taking the initiative in Banco del Sur,Alba,etc.).
Massive social movements and independent governments struggling against Latin America's terrible structural problems are consistently slandered to be "following" Chavez. which is a definite attempt to revive the old "taking their orders from Moscow" in order to deny legitimacy to legitimate demands for equality. In my judgement the same was done in attempting to justify the coup against Zelaya.
This following business, I would add, it slander against both the supposed "followers" (as if they had no political struggles of their own!!!!!) and also of Chavez, who has, as csanchez mentions, not embarked on any imperialistic ventures (by either economic or military means), and instead has sought to strengthen regional sovereignty.
Make no mistake, the liberal opposition in Latin America is very corrupt, but better than the others but your playing down of Chavez is simply wrong....although his significance will wane as he destroys his oil sector which he uses to pay off people.
Lets try to put things all into content, Chavez is scary how? How many countries have Chavez invaded? Has he by any chance supported terrorist acts against the US?..etc. What is really scary is that Obama is escalating the war in Afghanistan for what??
Chavez uses all the means possible to crush his opposition. He is simply an authoritarian who wants to become a dictator. Stop being so dishonest, he is a bad dude....oh I forgot about his crap incursions with Columbia...but that is more of a show.
The only reason why you hate Chavez is the bias media propaganda trying to demonize a man that is not a threat to the USA. In fact, its the same tactic that is trying to downplay any left president trying to bring social reform to their countries. Uribe..(puppet for the USA) is trying everything in his power to not loose control of his country because many of the left wings are finally rising up in the political arena
Nope, that is fact. So you got your president. But the world will know how he got into power...backed by military coup regimes. The slimy are the elite groups and right wing fascist morons dictatorship you have there currently.
I never said the liberals weren't corrupt, I just said they were better. To call the Colombian government "right wing fascist morons" is childish and hypocritical....of course Chavez is different! right...as long as he has your interest...and of course Ortega is sure NOT elite, with his many properties under other peoples names
I will respect your opinion on right and left wing parties, but to call left presidents mental patients just proves your ignorance. Just because latin leaders are trying to get out of the current world bank globalization and give back more to the people, does not qualify as mental patients
You dont have to be an expert to clearly see that Hugo Chavez is nuts, This is not that unusual with world leaders that have amassed more power than their brains can handle. I am not saying he pees on his pants but He has issues with paranioa, power and his ego. Zelaya has the same issues of ego and power. What I say is not out of ignorance on the contrary. I dont not mean crazy as an insult I actually meant it clinicaly
The fact that you are calling Chavez crazy is your opinion and not a clinical fact. Again, if I was to judge any president being crazy, it will have to be Obama, escalating a war in the Afghanistan. Knowing the USA is going through a recession. But of course, that is my opinion.
Chavez does not attack anything because he can't. I said he is crazy not stupid he, Like castro who wanted nuclear war in 1962 and was disappointed the ussr back down on the missle crisis. By the way I feel Bush was very dangerous also and I am glad he is out.
Nicos, big time reform is needed in Honduras everywhere but turning the country into a leftist anti imperialist Venezuelan satelite is not the answer. That "consulta popular" was more than rigged. The only people that supported Zelaya was the populist movements and the far left leaded by cesar ham. this group is a sad minority in Honduras they only have a bout 3 or 4 reps in congress. very minority. I witness how gov employee were forced to demosntrate and they bus poor people to beef up crowds
The Venezuelan satellite thing to me has no basis in reality and every basis in a type of slanderous press propaganda. The fact is Honduras' economy has been integrated as part of the US economy (not to most Hondurans' benefit) for perhaps a century. Making mutually beneficial deals with other 'developing' countries a la European Union is not subservience. If it was a matter of negotiating with 2 empires (it isn't) even that would be smarter than just submitting to one.
Yes I agree, but the way zelaya was going with his admited mentor was to have an antagonizing relationshipe with the USA. Small countries will always be influenced by bigger countries. if not USA then Venezuela or Europe... it is always a david a goliath sceneario. Honduras real problemas are from within, not from the outside.
I'd say its a combination of internal and external factors, that aggravate each other. More than just an influence, the US has long decided the political, economic and military direction Honduras would take, with the complicity of a parasitical oligarch class. Latin American countries are starting to show it is possible to have dignified relations with other countries, including the more powerful. If the US had not supported the golpistas with continuing trade, they would not be ruling today.
Agree: Reform is needed, but let the people of Honduras decide by elections. What you are advocating is that a military solution is the only way to this crisis. You are so wrong if you think by militarizing a country is the way to go.
Just for the record... I don't advocate a military solution. I just calling it the way I saw it.
I dont advocate anything that has happened in Honduras.. Before the coup, during the coup and after the coup. Hondura's problems run deeper than this superficial discussion. Honduras has become a rouge state. the wild west and this is truly sad, but this behaviour is pervasive in all layers of Honduran political and civil life. reform has to come from deeper that what has happened
I feel Zelaya broke the law, and that he should have been removed acording to the consitution. I wish they would have put him in prision and sent him to trail. But unfortunately they pissed him off to Costa Rica. I don't support coups even when they favor my feelings about the subject but I have no control of how honduran polititians, institutions and military act. what happened was the Olanchan way of settling things. I dont agree with it but I am glad Zelaya own constitutional coup was stoped
I must say that the material basis for saying Zelaya was about to perpetuate some kind of "constitutional coup" is of the same calibre as certain famous weapons of mass destruction in Iraq: nowhere but in the discourse of those who perpetuated the coup and their propaganda instruments. A 29 nov. vote for a constituyente would have made it a matter for the incoming government resulting from the same 29 Nov.elections. How otherwise? No one has been able to answer that one with any credibility.
You have to put things in context and feel what was happening at the time. Zelaya was driving the country into a confrontation the executive power against the rest of the goverment institutions. This was going to lead to a big bang... in favor of zelaya or one against him. There was a big bang but not in favor of Zelaya. if it would have gone the other way and zelaya would have amassed more power anything is posible. Don't try to find logic or legitimecy where there is none. on either side
I agree there was a conflict of powers. We agree there. I would disagree violence was a necessary outcome although I agree that Zelaya took a risk by defying the military and other oligarchic institutions.
No one has ever been able to substantiate the claim the referendum was anything other than a step towards a constituyente, which would have by definition been on the agend for the government that came AFTER Zelaya, being as it was to be called simultaneously with the 29 Nov.election.
I would agree as well csanchez. Overshadowing the entire context is a degree of gravity such that it can ever be accepted because it is the most brutal mechanism to deny Latin American majorities any rights at all: The coup.
Nicos, thanks for the discussion and your point of view have enriched my scoped on the subject. this is a very passionate issue and I appreciate your maturity in exposing your views
This Realnews are far from the truth, definately are just another ALBA channel trying desperate to twist the truth on the english speaking people, you LOOSERS are sooooooo DONE! didnt work out your communist bullshit.
It's difficult to actually find real news not tainted by some narrow interest. Usually International Relations journals are a good place to read up on this....but "lets reconsider poor old Mugabe" Chavez is so stupid and open, it is becoming satirical.
Real news??? Please you guys are so pathetic, who is paying you to upload this kind of trash? it seems like you guys have NO clue what the heck is going on in our country. You must understand that we don't want a narc-president, whose main duty is to please "crazyhugo" and sell our land to their own interests, if you really like him (mel), hey feel free to pick him up and take him with you is all yours. Sorry but this is OUR business NOT yours so please mind your own. Thank you :)
all the violations against the Honduran constitution and other criminal acts are never mentioned in this biased video. read article 239 of the Honduran constitution. it is very clear, Zelaya wanted to extend or even eliminate term limmits to stay in power to be another chavez puppet.
which leftist in El Salvador? Funes? What the fuck are you talking about? The FMLN? The United Nations truth commission after the civil war found that between 85-90% of the human rights violations were committed by the military and para-military forces, not by the guerrillas. So far Zelaya has killed ZERO, Micheletti has killed at least 20 and imposed 100 days of various degrees of martial law. Whats important though is the movement to rewrite the constitution, not the name of the President.
I think this channel must be owned by Michael Moore. By the way sure didn't look like 500 thousand protesters. Actually it look more like 1000. This reporter must be a pot head hippie.
i love this left wing one sided naration of this reporter. Hey there weren't thousands of Pro zelaya protesters. And it's not the business elite that support this, it's actually 90% of the population. Get your facts straight. Stop supporting that commie left winger Chavez you idiot
You miss Freeston's point completely here. All his stories are from the perspective of the peoples movement, hence you never hear him say the term 'Pro-Zelaya protesters'. Because they are much more than that, their official demand is not just Zelaya's return but a popular consultation on a new constitution. PS - Stop talking about Chavez, its not about the leaders. And its not about left and right. Oh, and most recent polling (taken under police state) showed 19% for the coup, niice try though
this goes to REALFREEDOMHONDURAS ... you should be ashamed of yourself using that name, you're a golpista! dont be ignorant talking about how Zelaya wanted to stay in power and money cause Micheletti is no saint, he is very CORRUPTED! how many years has he been in congress? huh? MANY? can u say CORRUPTION! and stop saying that Zelaya is a drug dealer with Chavez you ignorant! thats proof how the de facto government has brainwashed you!
Jeez. Micheletti's comments accusing the media he was censoring of "media terrorism" never made it to any other report I read. That and his idiotic George Bush laugh to go with it really show what the man is made of. Disgusting. Thanks for posting. Down with poverty and inequality in Latin America! :)
But against de hard times the poorr peoplereturn to the people trough ZElaya , the stupid richs are isolated and an example is the use of Peruvian gas bombs . laughigh ......whats the next step ??? to get bullets from Congo or Somalia ,
You definitely do not have a clue of what is going on in Honduras. Plus you are adding pregidist remarks...is this the way you preach freedom?? Zelaya does not represent the poor he and his family are one one the biggest landlords in Olancho plus his family used to be one of the biggest timber magnates. He us just using a populist approach to stay in power and continue the drug trafficking he is partner with Chavez, all the venezuelan planes that landed in Honduras during his presidency?
Democracy does not mean that a criminal can stay in power just because he was elected. If someone is elected and later on that person VIOLATES his country's laws and international drug laws, then that person has to be taken down!That is real democracy what you are suggesting is not democracy but dictatorship where a person is above ALL laws. The point here is that everyone has to understand if you are elected you have to act within your country's laws NO ONE NOT EVEN a president is above the law
Strangely enough, it's apparently ok for the coup leaders to continuously violate the law though? Sending the president to Costa Rica being but the very first in a list to which Human Rights groups such as Amnesty are adding, as well as censoring the press, etc.?
Sincerely you have no point in what you write. I have given you explanations and facts. You only say the same thing without any explanations on your point. Zelaya represents NO ONE BUT HIMSELF. ZELAYA DOES NOT REPRESENT THE POOR, HE ONLY WANTS TO STAY IN POWER TO HAVE MORE MONEY AND TO CONTINUE HIS DRUG TRAFFICKING WITH CHAVEZ. HE IS NOT BENEFITING THE POOR HE IS BENEFITING HIMSELF. Besides the entire country knows it from 8MM Hondurans only 100K at the most support him. Get your facts right.
Be that as it may, a military coup is NOT the solution for a flawed presidencial regime. And you have to keep in mind that in a democracy, NO regime put in place by force can be considered legitimate or democratic, especially if its run by the military. Get your facts right. Sure zelaya can be an asshole, but there are Democratic ways to go about that problem.
this goes to REALFREEDOMHONDURAS ... you should be ashamed of yourself using that name, you're a golpista! dont be ignorant talking about how Zelaya wanted to stay in power and money cause Micheletti is no saint, he is very CORRUPTED! how many years has he been in congress? huh? MANY? can u say CORRUPTION! and stop saying that Zelaya is a drug dealer with Chavez you ignorant! thats proof how the de facto government has brainwashed you!
Honduras people will success in the war against rich puch government . if you see the people with de puch government is rich furthermore there is ethnic diferences is easy to see how the puch president has a foreign name "Micheletti" this isan example of the righ tendences in our contienent , we want take our decisions .
You say Mel is a "leftist" that is not true he is the essence of the right wing people. Son of a huge landlord and timber magnate. He "turned" to the left when the US cut their money support due to his criminal acts...so Chavez had the money...that is the truth and everyone in Honduras knows it. For the record his father was in jail because he was found guilty of participating in the mass killing of real "left" wing jesuit fathers and nuns in the 80s. You should get your facts right.
This is a completely biased report. You only show one side of the story. Mel was correctly removed from power. From 8 million Hondurans only 60 k support him. The "massive" marches you cite have had only 10k people. Marches supporting the new government go to 100k. You miss to mention the Supreme Court ordered his removal. He has 18 criminal accusations and everyone in the world knows about his drug related activities and all the Venezuelan planes that landed in Honduras on their way to the US.
Everybody is riding Zelayas' dick. What about Uribe Alvaro? He just changed the constitution and is going to be running for his 3rd term! I assure you if he was ousted, the U.S. would put him back in 24 hours.
se necesita vivir en Honduras para conocer la verdadera represion a la que somos sometidos... Hondueños luchemos para recuperar nuestra libertad!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chavez needs to send in his troops now to liberate the Honduran people. The Americans are stretched to breaking point in Iraq/Afgh, they won't do anything (+ they need Venezuelan oil). Plus virtually the whole of Latin America (with the exception of the Colombian lapdogs) won't raise a fuss.
No, they can finish the job, they need to put sugar in all military personal vehicles. Slow there working day's calling out sick, protest, freezing the export from the country. Graffiti the walls to informing the public to overturn the coup. Molotile cocktails at gov't buildings. Burn them with fires, break head lights tail lights from gov't official cars. Stop there mobility, cut electric power cords in gov't buildings. Break there gov't machines, telephones wires there paper work.Destabilize
they have imprisoned over 400 people they have closed local and national media outlets like Maya TV Canal 6 Canal 36 sending all Zelaya supporters to the stadium in Tegucigalpa by force putting curfews and cutting electricity and charging reporters for media terrorism while every country on the western hemisphere agrees that this government has to do go and denounces it, And if they invade the Brazilian embassy El Salvador Nicaragua and Venezuela Brazil will invade so who's the dictator?
NO w.e u fucking idiot don't spread lies about Someone who has helped the people which is i am studying in vancouver B.C to get my law degree and fight against all this corruption in my country u probably don't know the difference between San pedro y Olancho or El Guantio stupida
U lying Bitch Zelaya has helped the Honduras u Disinfo agent Michelletii supports the big corporations 76 percent of hondurean people are in poverty and since zelaya took power it has decreased so FUCK U Que Viva Zelaya also every country on the western hemispheres Denounces this government
Media terrorism? Firing people for not supporting a voting rally? Criminal charges for not voting? Stay inside your house for days? Is it a Country or a prison?
WTH!!!???!!!
Under those conditions .... that there is no 'democracy'.
2,47 min in a real orogues gallery of new world, order puppet morons. military , business leadrs and coup leaders.. rioting will not help. dont fight them at their own game. ignore them.
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all staged...my president Lula is worried about our 2010 election, cause his candidate is far away from the leader in all surveys, so he stage this right when he´s in the US with all world leaders, so he can look like the one who will put Zelaya back in the presidency and "restore" democracy...but Lula forgot to think about one little detail, the brazilians opinion...but, well, he doesn´t care about us anyway..
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I hope that your
'freelance" Journalist also sends you pics of the tens of thousands that rejest a communist regime brought by Zelaya and Chavez to slave the Honduran people.
Very Bias report from your "realnews" or the fact that there were only hundreds paid zelaya "supporters" Hope You enjoyed your paycheck from Chavez to keep misinforming the world
The brainwashed is you, henry (yes, without Capital leter =P). Zelaya has the "same" ideology that those puppets that you seem to like soooo much. Chavez has fulfilled Venezuelans expectations in social issues, which NONE of the past administrations did, and guess what THEY WERE ALL SUPPORTED BY THE US. The US SUPPORTED PLUTOCRATS IN EXCHANGE OF PLUNDERING ALL THEIR OIL!!
PS.: What goes around will come around, don't ya, henry?
Media report "riots", while "MILITARY BRUTALITY" takes place . The Honduran population demonstrates PEACEFULLY and are DISARMED, while men are killed by the military and even children are amongst them. Which media is reporting about the assassinations, about the repression, about the wounded? NONE. Instead of reporting the death of an 8 year-old child, who died inside a building asphyxiated by tear gas, they report 2 police BEASTS wounded. WHO IS BIASED?
No-one has done a good job, a coupel of them have decently covered things, but not as they should.. You don't know what is happening in Honduras, SHUT UP! PEOPLE ARE STARVING, they are dying!! there is no food, medicne, water, nor medication.
DOES ANOTHER "STATE OF EMERGENCY" MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU.. do you know what you re talking about`??? AL JAZEERA HAS REPORTED ZERO ON THIS NEW ATTACK ON THE POPULATION, ZELAYA IS INSIDE THE COUNTRY. IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU RE TALKING ABOUT SHUUUUUUUUUUUT UP
I hope, one day, someone like you gets a taste of what it is like to live in a state of terror, so another asshole like you gets to make fun of you and you see how it feels like. You will cry, and I will too, but not for you, just for the people, though people like you never care if it doesn't involve their own wallet. That's the difference between fascists and normal people.
Sorry, that was a bit silly. But I actually do care. I've been working on an essay for the past few days trying to explain how you, me, and everyone else on earth can take control back from governments by creating a global meta-government ourselves here in cyberspace. How we can make our intrinsic political capital more tangible and use it like a massive weight heaped on the backs of our leadership to squeeze into the roles we choose for them. How to make all politicians into public servants.
I'm sorry I overreacted.. I, like many hondurans are in a hysteric state.. My Mom and Dad who live in different cities can't get any food and the supermarket owner bullies didn't want to let people inside.. they are repressing us even with food.. I completely agree with you, I realized you didn't mean the comment like that but until too late.. I'm glad you are saying this and fighting for it.. We need that most people understand that politicians are public servants, not our owners...
The Honduran people will overthrow Micheletti and set an example for the world. So sad how US corporate media obsesses over protests in Iran and ignores what is happening NEXT DOOR in Honduras!
so the democratically-elected president has potentially violated a pretty impractical and minor rule in the constitution -- then certainly it follows that the military should kidnap the president and exile him and undemocratically legitimize some random guy from the business community!! that sounds like a fair deal!! obama should say nothing about this, and lanny davis should keep lobbying for the WONDERFUL de facto government!!
Actually Zelaya didn't even violate the law, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran Civil Participation Act of 2006. According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures. This act was approved by the National Congress and it was not contested by the Supreme Court of Justice, when it was published in the Official Paper of 2006.
Titeres de los Elites,del imperio como siempre,quitan y ponen a quien se les ocurra para evitar que los paises de America Latina se organizen,y asi no sean mas objeto de explotacion economica y social por parte de los EUA. Micheletti el nuevo titere del imperio en America Central.
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La revolucion no es para todos. Es para el que tiene valores humanos y para al que no necesaria mente este sufriendo de la oprecion del gobierno, pero mira sufrir a los demas y dice vasta! Hasta qui llego el maltrato y el engano del sistema capitalista, que hasta el dia de hoy nos a estado explotando y esclavisado para hacer al rico mas rico, y al pobre mas pobre. Hoy decimos VASTA! El pueblo se a unido a una voz, y como hemos visto el sistema capitalista esta cayendo. Viva La Revolucion!
RevolucionUnida 1 year ago
Televicerdo siempre mintiendo, ah payasos del periodismo. regato verguenza nacional.
patriadolida 2 years ago
ignorante, no hables de lo que no sabes...
0Squatchy0 1 year ago
View the channel CATRACHINGON. Viva la patriotica resistencia hondureña!!!
patriadolida 2 years ago
View the CATRACHINGON channel. More true. Life to the digninity resistance. Life to Honduras. The real people to the power.
patriadolida 2 years ago
Girode, we as a latinos rather deal with somebody that belongs to our culture and to our blood than be dealing with foreign invasores looking for a ways to get an acces to our natural resources so they can make big profits re-selling us as a finished products, y para hablar de la problema latinoamericana se necesitarai una semana en este sitio para analizar las influencias malas y/o buenas de los ee.uu en nuestros paises.
jorstermann 2 years ago
Viva Honduras sin Pepe Lobo, Vasquez, Michelliti y los restos de los golpistas. Viva Zelaya.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
This is very simple: Chavez had the backing of the army in Venezuela. Zelaya doesn't have the backing of the army or the majority of the people to radically change the constitution. The "coup" is a term used by groups funded by Chavez, Ortega and like minded dictator wannabees to start a new era of Latin authoritarian "paradises." I am so glad Da Silva doesn't fall for this shit in private....he knows...
Gyrode 2 years ago
Bottom line, this was coup and Robert Michelliti just sent a dangerous message to the world that anyone that does not like a president it is ok to exile him or her at gunpoint. Perhaps we should start take out Obama...yeah, that sounds good. Or take out Pepe lobo at gunpoint as well....uhmmm?>
csanchez2009 2 years ago
Just maybe the supreme court and military option was appropriate because if not, we may have opposition supression activites like Chavez does in Venezuela? uhhmmmm??? If you have an opposition that wants change that radical, then radical reactions happen!! If you think for one minute the is some equivalence between Obama and Zelaya, then you may be a leftist!
Gyrode 2 years ago
There is nothing in the constitution that says the Supreme Court and Military can exile a president at Gunpoint. This is nothing to with Chavez, that is just a an excuse for the coup done my the elite groups and business man. Persnally I think they should re-write the constitution and give more power to the people.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
But there is something in the constitution about "referendums and plebicitos" and the constitution says that if you even suggest changing (like zelaya more than suggested and itended) you cese being president and canot hold ofice for 10 years and you are acused of treason... that much is clear. Now how to execute this clause is up to the imagination and resourses and, and this is important, SUPPORT of all government enteties including and specially the Military
lv1023 2 years ago
Lets not forget the Honduran Constitution, written under the military government of U.S. stooge Policarpo Paz García in the early 1980s, is draconian on this subject of re-election and holding individuals to a single presidency. I personally think it goes a little too far. Granted, dictatorship was a huge problem throughout the Cold War in Latin America.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
Yes you are right that the article 239 is a little radical, but honduras is a radical place as far as political chinanigans and I truly dont feel that Honduras politics have mature enough and it democratic institutions are strong enough at this time to change this article and alow what has happend in venezuela and what is about to happen in Nicaragua to happen. where a strong populist grabs power simply doesnt go away and not necesarily because the people want them.
lv1023 2 years ago
"The "coup" is a term used by groups funded by Chavez, Ortega and like minded dictator wannabees "..like every "%$" country in the world is funded by those three insignificant third world countries US included!!!!!
get a ""$£" grip!!! :)
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
What you typed made no sense. I am talking about Latin America. I have relatives in the Sandinista who hate Ortega, on top of what I know about Chavez's ambitions of a "socialist" paradise. Venezuela is NOT a third world country, but with Chavez's help, it's getting there!
Gyrode 2 years ago
The argument against Zelaya has always been that he wanted to remain in power. This is a pre-empty speculation, but he always said was that he wanted to ask the people to find out if they agree to form a constitutional assembly to re-write the constitution in such a way that it favors the majority of the population.
feanariba 2 years ago
Nowhere in the Honduran constitution can the supreme court of the congress remove the president from power. There is no such a thing as "impeachment." This is a fact and therefore the argument of Micheletti is flowed and obviously untrue.
feanariba 2 years ago
Terrorismo mediatico? Guerra sicologica? Es que no se dan cuenta que ese hombre es un payaso??? Pobre idiotas...
GuzzNizz 2 years ago
Eventhough the report is definetly bias in favor of Zelaya at least I give you credit for mentioning the reason why he was ousted although there are many vidoes of Zelalas intention to stay in power and does not mention the heavy influence of Chavez in Zelayas actions.
lv1023 2 years ago
How is it Bias? Please elaborate more, it seems to me the real danger are the coup leaders that practically militarize a nation and censored certain radio and channel stations. Not only that, but use the aggression and intimidation to their fellow countrymen who favos Zelaya.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
funny how the same statement can be made valid if you replace the country with "Venezuela", but now the oppostion is bad! I know the game! and don't think we're stupid! and then you will get your answer to the reasons for the reaction!
Gyrode 2 years ago
Again, why bring Venezuela in this? Keep your eye on the ball and recognize even though Pepe Lobo (more like Puppet) won the election, hardly no Latin Countries would recognize him as a president. He is an Outcast.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
Because I understand the geo-political situation of the "New Left" in Latin America. You have the Dunce Chavez, the dumb or somewhat quiet Ortega, the intellectual Correa, and the boring Morales. Then you have the circle of reality in Kirchner, Bachelet, and Da Silva who simply are happy NIMBYs.
Gyrode 2 years ago
NIMBYS meaning that those morons can run their countries into the ground as long as I am not affected!
Gyrode 2 years ago
Lula has not improved living standards for a large percentage of the population? You are just alergic to anything that sounds vaguely leftwing, I think. "Boring" Morales...right.. that's his political legitimacy destroyed by your sharp analysis then.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Lula's pretty good, he is a closet liberal, most of them are when they sober up, just as Raul Castro is slowly becoming....if you actually could read what I type, "circle of reality" is that Kirchner, Bacheley, and Da Silva are actually GROWING their economies while Chavez, Ortega, and Morales are destroying their economies...I am still unsure about Correa
Gyrode 2 years ago
I read "circle of reality" and was evidently none the wiser!
Lula does have a lot of continuity with FHC, yes. I know Chavez is increasing equality without overall increasing living standards in absolute terms:ie: he is improving things for the majority with some deterioration for the better off, as far as I understand it, unlike Lula who has roundly managed to bring them up.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
If you sincerely believe that Chavez is helping Venezuela, then you need to see his approval ratings, or the intense inflation occurring, or his inability to extract oil because he kicked out the oil companies who actually knew what they were doing!
Gyrode 2 years ago
Well, that is my understanding from what I see, hear and read. Looking for approval ratings, I see AP in November of this year has 46,2%, a drop from 52,8% in October. Are those the figures you are referring to perchance? Despite the objections of a student of mine from Chevron Texaco a couple of years ago, Venezuela was retaining the services of oil multinationals, but conditioning contracts on greater local participation. Have the companies been kicked out now? I hadn't seen that.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Well, yes, now, he has been calling the oil companies back when oil prices per bail have fell...and he's rhetoric doesn't have the same hubris. "Chávez reopens oil bids to West as prices plunge" NY times, hopefullythe times isn't to "right wing for you!"
Gyrode 2 years ago
The NY times, from the odd article I get, is apparently less right wing than most US mainstream media! It's true that, unfortunately, developing countries need the technological help of multinationals, when it comes to extracting oil, etc. The key, I think, is to make deals that are fair for the country, as Evo Morales did in renegotiating Bolivia's gas contracts to increase state revenue and give companies some profit, but not the lion's share.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
@NicosNicosNicosNicos The use of "right wing media" is a weak attempt to reduce the validity of the source.
Gyrode 2 years ago
I'm not denying the source is valid, nor the reference in particular. I do know the NY Times has some excellent journalism at times.
I'm merely stating my position vis a vis the general politics of the source, because I know some things are considered left wing in the US that are seen as right wing elsewhere!
The Economist is a good quality news source, albeit right wing. I think Granma can be dodgy despite being leftwing! :)
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
This is not a popularity contest, I go base on facts, progress, social reform, democracy and human rights. And right now, Honduras has nothing of that what so ever thanks to the military coup...which it is and will always go down in the history book as the Coup that took away democracy, rather than preserving it
csanchez2009 2 years ago
If you are sincere on that, you would see Chavez's governance as it is: an authoritarian wanting to become a dictator, using all means to crush his opposition...no matter how "bad" the opposition may be. And your "no threat" comments are frankly weak, I go to Nicaragua regularly and know first hand Chavez sticks his slimy hands there.
Gyrode 2 years ago
Things like this do not happen without a reason, Zelaya played a dangerous and reckless game in Honduras. I live in Honduras and saw first hand how by force and intimidation while presidentZelaya tried to railroad the country to a socialist state where he could be in power forever like chavez is doing and ortega is trying to do. it was not a military coup it was all the honduran institutional organ against a run away president doing lots of crazy things.
lv1023 2 years ago
Things like this happens when business and financial interest effects the elite group and US interest. Why were they so afraid if Zelaya, perhaps he would have definitely won the election and a new Constitution he was going to rewrite.
csanchez2009 2 years ago 2
Actually, someone else would have had to write it because Zelaya's term was going to end on 27 January 2010 anyway (a Constituyente would probably have had to occur under a hypothetical legitimate Pepe Lobo government -unlike the current Pepe Lobo "elected" gvt. based on fraudulent claims of 61% participation etc). So they weren't as afraid of Zelaya as they are terrified of popular democracy.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Zelaya is part of that elite you are talking about. If you know anything about honduras you would know that this is all about business and politics is the biggest business in Honduras... Zelaya is no idealist, he is an opportunist that tried to become another caudillo. He won his first election by fraud and was planing fraud to keep himself in power... there are no good gus here...
lv1023 2 years ago
I agree, I only like the "liberals" because while they steal money, at least there is actual development going on!
Gyrode 2 years ago
Honduras' not very democratic institutions have historically joined together to participate in coup d'etat in the past.
Look around and you'll find just about every coup d'etat in Latin America has a percentage of people claiming those coups were justified, from Videla, through to Pinochet, and beyond. I have heard defenses of these coups many, many times. Some people actually believe these things.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
I don't know about all those coups because it is all history to me, but I saw first hand how Zelaya was ilegally taking the country where the mayority of the hondurans did not want to. I think what happend in Honduras was a very Honduran problem and a very honduran solution. This coup is unlike any other in history. if you see honduran society and how it's insitituion works you will see that there is little regard for the rule of law in honduras at anytime in it's history
lv1023 2 years ago
Hi there. (btw:The "majority of Hondurans" had no say in removing Zelaya, on the contrary, he was removed before he could consult them on much-needed Constitutional reform). The coup has a couple of "innovative" pretensions in the form, not in substance. The political environment in 2009 means there is less support for coups than before, and they have to be further disguised, whence the 100s of 1000s of US$ spent on PR.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
There are also some Honduran precedents I quote, using ** for emphasis: "[General Oswaldo] Lopez' hand-picked civilian government won the 1971 presidential election, but quickly made political and economic misjudgements. ***With the approval of nearly all the key civilian sectors***, Lopez disavowed his own creation and, on behalf of the military, seized the presidency for himself"
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
His government then tried to introduce some modest reforms to keep the peasants and poor quiet. Again I quote:"By 1975 the promise was dead.***It fell victim to the groups that traditionally crushed hints of meaningful change.***The large landowners' association (FENAGH) and the right-wing Council of Private Business(COHEP)condemned the reforms for, of all things attacking***"the democratic system, liberty, and individuality***"[Lafeber, Inevitable Revolutions, Norton NY, 1993 pages 262-263]
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
So to conclude from those extracts: There is nothing new about 1) the oligarchy getting uppity about modest steps towards improving conditions for the poor in Honduras 2) All the institutions, as today being complicit, and as you mention, largely uninterested in the rule of law per se 3) The discourse at the time was the same hypocritical discourse as today: the guy being removed in a coup is paradoxically accused of being against democracy.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
And further I would ask: you say you "saw first hand" what happened. Just to make a point: were you in the presidential palace, etc, or did you read it through the news? If Honduran news sources, were they of the majority media owned by Larach, Wong Arevalo and the other golpistas? There is a recent documentary on how the Chilean paper El Mercurio tried to prepare public opinion for the Pinochet coup before 1973.If anything the Honduran papers are far cruder than that.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
I saw it first hand, I lived it I saw Zelaya's arrogantly act as if he was a dictator, I know first hand of his corruptions and the criminals that he put in the goverment like is buddy chimirri and what he did in hondutel. you cant cover the sun with you thumb Zelaya is not the answer for Honduras. I agree with you that Honduras society (civil and political) need reform, but you need to change the root causes. not take advantage of them for political gain and power like zelaya had in mind.
lv1023 2 years ago
Even if you do not agree with Zelaya and his politic, do you support a a military coup? IF he committed such a crime why not take him to the supreme court? Why exile an elected democratic president at gunpoint?
csanchez2009 2 years ago 2
That is of course the fundamental question. It is not as though the Supreme Court was pressing charges against Zelaya and then the military made a "mistake" of sending him out of the country. The actions from start to finish characterised a coup, which the Court has thankfully no powers to carry out.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Zelaya had his own media propaganda machine with Canal 8, just like venezuela, Zelaya had his propaganda produced in Venezuela. Zelaya had statues of himself made along with the founding fathers on the nation, I feel sad for all the people that think that zelaya, chavez, castro, morales , lugo , ortega and correa are idealist that care about the poor. they are just as bad if not worst than the far right. and most of these guys have serious mental problems especially chavez and zelaya too
lv1023 2 years ago
I think you are making a sweeping generalisation about all those leaders you mention. ("chavez, castro, morales , lugo , ortega and correa"). From what I know of Evo Morales and Fernando Lugo, to name but two, they are among the millions upon millions of people who actually want to do something about the "root causes" of inequality in Latin America as you say you agree with. You say it, but Evo Morales has spent his life actively in this cause.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
You are right Nicos, generalizations are not good, there is a spectrum as you notices I did not include silva and funes in the list.. I used to be center left but I have moved to center right since hugo chavez took the lead of the left. I found Chavez an interesting alternative and amusing in the beginning but now he is not interesting and not at all amusing. he is a scary guy.
lv1023 2 years ago
A problem with Chavez is his figure is used in the mainstream(ie:rightwing)world press to generalise about the left in Latin America because he is extreme in his form.I think that even in Venezuela,Chavez is not that important compared to the widespread social movements that brought him to power. Likewise,I would refute the notion that Chavez "leads"anywhere but in Venezuela(Aside from in the sense of taking the initiative in Banco del Sur,Alba,etc.).
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Massive social movements and independent governments struggling against Latin America's terrible structural problems are consistently slandered to be "following" Chavez. which is a definite attempt to revive the old "taking their orders from Moscow" in order to deny legitimacy to legitimate demands for equality. In my judgement the same was done in attempting to justify the coup against Zelaya.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
This following business, I would add, it slander against both the supposed "followers" (as if they had no political struggles of their own!!!!!) and also of Chavez, who has, as csanchez mentions, not embarked on any imperialistic ventures (by either economic or military means), and instead has sought to strengthen regional sovereignty.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Make no mistake, the liberal opposition in Latin America is very corrupt, but better than the others but your playing down of Chavez is simply wrong....although his significance will wane as he destroys his oil sector which he uses to pay off people.
Gyrode 2 years ago
Lets try to put things all into content, Chavez is scary how? How many countries have Chavez invaded? Has he by any chance supported terrorist acts against the US?..etc. What is really scary is that Obama is escalating the war in Afghanistan for what??
csanchez2009 2 years ago 2
Chavez uses all the means possible to crush his opposition. He is simply an authoritarian who wants to become a dictator. Stop being so dishonest, he is a bad dude....oh I forgot about his crap incursions with Columbia...but that is more of a show.
Gyrode 2 years ago
The only reason why you hate Chavez is the bias media propaganda trying to demonize a man that is not a threat to the USA. In fact, its the same tactic that is trying to downplay any left president trying to bring social reform to their countries. Uribe..(puppet for the USA) is trying everything in his power to not loose control of his country because many of the left wings are finally rising up in the political arena
csanchez2009 2 years ago
...and the high popularity ratings Uribe has...but no matter I guess.
Gyrode 2 years ago
Stop with the "puppet" garbage, of course it only applies one way and among the "fascists" huh?
Gyrode 2 years ago
Nope, that is fact. So you got your president. But the world will know how he got into power...backed by military coup regimes. The slimy are the elite groups and right wing fascist morons dictatorship you have there currently.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
I never said the liberals weren't corrupt, I just said they were better. To call the Colombian government "right wing fascist morons" is childish and hypocritical....of course Chavez is different! right...as long as he has your interest...and of course Ortega is sure NOT elite, with his many properties under other peoples names
Gyrode 2 years ago
...wow I guess it takes some "fascist moron" to effectively allow gay marriage....gay hitlers they are!!
Gyrode 2 years ago
I will respect your opinion on right and left wing parties, but to call left presidents mental patients just proves your ignorance. Just because latin leaders are trying to get out of the current world bank globalization and give back more to the people, does not qualify as mental patients
csanchez2009 2 years ago 2
You dont have to be an expert to clearly see that Hugo Chavez is nuts, This is not that unusual with world leaders that have amassed more power than their brains can handle. I am not saying he pees on his pants but He has issues with paranioa, power and his ego. Zelaya has the same issues of ego and power. What I say is not out of ignorance on the contrary. I dont not mean crazy as an insult I actually meant it clinicaly
lv1023 2 years ago
The fact that you are calling Chavez crazy is your opinion and not a clinical fact. Again, if I was to judge any president being crazy, it will have to be Obama, escalating a war in the Afghanistan. Knowing the USA is going through a recession. But of course, that is my opinion.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
Chavez does not attack anything because he can't. I said he is crazy not stupid he, Like castro who wanted nuclear war in 1962 and was disappointed the ussr back down on the missle crisis. By the way I feel Bush was very dangerous also and I am glad he is out.
lv1023 2 years ago
csanchez, thank you for a good discussion on the subject
lv1023 2 years ago
Hugo Chavez is at least stupid in public, especially when he tries to defend Robert Mugabe.
Gyrode 2 years ago
Nicos, big time reform is needed in Honduras everywhere but turning the country into a leftist anti imperialist Venezuelan satelite is not the answer. That "consulta popular" was more than rigged. The only people that supported Zelaya was the populist movements and the far left leaded by cesar ham. this group is a sad minority in Honduras they only have a bout 3 or 4 reps in congress. very minority. I witness how gov employee were forced to demosntrate and they bus poor people to beef up crowds
lv1023 2 years ago
The Venezuelan satellite thing to me has no basis in reality and every basis in a type of slanderous press propaganda. The fact is Honduras' economy has been integrated as part of the US economy (not to most Hondurans' benefit) for perhaps a century. Making mutually beneficial deals with other 'developing' countries a la European Union is not subservience. If it was a matter of negotiating with 2 empires (it isn't) even that would be smarter than just submitting to one.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Yes I agree, but the way zelaya was going with his admited mentor was to have an antagonizing relationshipe with the USA. Small countries will always be influenced by bigger countries. if not USA then Venezuela or Europe... it is always a david a goliath sceneario. Honduras real problemas are from within, not from the outside.
lv1023 2 years ago
I'd say its a combination of internal and external factors, that aggravate each other. More than just an influence, the US has long decided the political, economic and military direction Honduras would take, with the complicity of a parasitical oligarch class. Latin American countries are starting to show it is possible to have dignified relations with other countries, including the more powerful. If the US had not supported the golpistas with continuing trade, they would not be ruling today.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Agree: Reform is needed, but let the people of Honduras decide by elections. What you are advocating is that a military solution is the only way to this crisis. You are so wrong if you think by militarizing a country is the way to go.
csanchez2009 2 years ago 2
Just for the record... I don't advocate a military solution. I just calling it the way I saw it.
I dont advocate anything that has happened in Honduras.. Before the coup, during the coup and after the coup. Hondura's problems run deeper than this superficial discussion. Honduras has become a rouge state. the wild west and this is truly sad, but this behaviour is pervasive in all layers of Honduran political and civil life. reform has to come from deeper that what has happened
lv1023 2 years ago
Great. So we do agree in one thing, there is a huge problem in Honduras. But do you support this coup? yes or no?
csanchez2009 2 years ago 2
I feel Zelaya broke the law, and that he should have been removed acording to the consitution. I wish they would have put him in prision and sent him to trail. But unfortunately they pissed him off to Costa Rica. I don't support coups even when they favor my feelings about the subject but I have no control of how honduran polititians, institutions and military act. what happened was the Olanchan way of settling things. I dont agree with it but I am glad Zelaya own constitutional coup was stoped
lv1023 2 years ago
I must say that the material basis for saying Zelaya was about to perpetuate some kind of "constitutional coup" is of the same calibre as certain famous weapons of mass destruction in Iraq: nowhere but in the discourse of those who perpetuated the coup and their propaganda instruments. A 29 nov. vote for a constituyente would have made it a matter for the incoming government resulting from the same 29 Nov.elections. How otherwise? No one has been able to answer that one with any credibility.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
You have to put things in context and feel what was happening at the time. Zelaya was driving the country into a confrontation the executive power against the rest of the goverment institutions. This was going to lead to a big bang... in favor of zelaya or one against him. There was a big bang but not in favor of Zelaya. if it would have gone the other way and zelaya would have amassed more power anything is posible. Don't try to find logic or legitimecy where there is none. on either side
lv1023 2 years ago
I agree there was a conflict of powers. We agree there. I would disagree violence was a necessary outcome although I agree that Zelaya took a risk by defying the military and other oligarchic institutions.
No one has ever been able to substantiate the claim the referendum was anything other than a step towards a constituyente, which would have by definition been on the agend for the government that came AFTER Zelaya, being as it was to be called simultaneously with the 29 Nov.election.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
I would agree as well csanchez. Overshadowing the entire context is a degree of gravity such that it can ever be accepted because it is the most brutal mechanism to deny Latin American majorities any rights at all: The coup.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Nicos, thanks for the discussion and your point of view have enriched my scoped on the subject. this is a very passionate issue and I appreciate your maturity in exposing your views
lv1023 2 years ago
I second that emotion! Nonviolent youtube conversations are a rare thing! Regards.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
This Realnews are far from the truth, definately are just another ALBA channel trying desperate to twist the truth on the english speaking people, you LOOSERS are sooooooo DONE! didnt work out your communist bullshit.
imixhn 2 years ago
It's difficult to actually find real news not tainted by some narrow interest. Usually International Relations journals are a good place to read up on this....but "lets reconsider poor old Mugabe" Chavez is so stupid and open, it is becoming satirical.
Gyrode 2 years ago
Real news??? Please you guys are so pathetic, who is paying you to upload this kind of trash? it seems like you guys have NO clue what the heck is going on in our country. You must understand that we don't want a narc-president, whose main duty is to please "crazyhugo" and sell our land to their own interests, if you really like him (mel), hey feel free to pick him up and take him with you is all yours. Sorry but this is OUR business NOT yours so please mind your own. Thank you :)
mjmjg 2 years ago
And you have clue like what is going on in Honduras...hahahaha. Please, Pepe Lobo will not last long in power. I guarantee it!
csanchez2009 2 years ago 2
all the violations against the Honduran constitution and other criminal acts are never mentioned in this biased video. read article 239 of the Honduran constitution. it is very clear, Zelaya wanted to extend or even eliminate term limmits to stay in power to be another chavez puppet.
lunabranwen 2 years ago
remember what the leftest did in el salvador , killed many, zelaya will kill as many as needed to stay in power, this is what a dictator does
singledad11 2 years ago
which leftist in El Salvador? Funes? What the fuck are you talking about? The FMLN? The United Nations truth commission after the civil war found that between 85-90% of the human rights violations were committed by the military and para-military forces, not by the guerrillas. So far Zelaya has killed ZERO, Micheletti has killed at least 20 and imposed 100 days of various degrees of martial law. Whats important though is the movement to rewrite the constitution, not the name of the President.
theresponderful 2 years ago
Roberto Micheletti Is an asshole government.
planitair 2 years ago
I think this channel must be owned by Michael Moore. By the way sure didn't look like 500 thousand protesters. Actually it look more like 1000. This reporter must be a pot head hippie.
sojoooman 2 years ago
i love this left wing one sided naration of this reporter. Hey there weren't thousands of Pro zelaya protesters. And it's not the business elite that support this, it's actually 90% of the population. Get your facts straight. Stop supporting that commie left winger Chavez you idiot
sojoooman 2 years ago
You miss Freeston's point completely here. All his stories are from the perspective of the peoples movement, hence you never hear him say the term 'Pro-Zelaya protesters'. Because they are much more than that, their official demand is not just Zelaya's return but a popular consultation on a new constitution. PS - Stop talking about Chavez, its not about the leaders. And its not about left and right. Oh, and most recent polling (taken under police state) showed 19% for the coup, niice try though
theresponderful 2 years ago
this goes to REALFREEDOMHONDURAS ... you should be ashamed of yourself using that name, you're a golpista! dont be ignorant talking about how Zelaya wanted to stay in power and money cause Micheletti is no saint, he is very CORRUPTED! how many years has he been in congress? huh? MANY? can u say CORRUPTION! and stop saying that Zelaya is a drug dealer with Chavez you ignorant! thats proof how the de facto government has brainwashed you!
djtj1987 2 years ago
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cso74 2 years ago
Another comment as I've been watching the rest of the video. This is fucking brilliant. I'll look out for your videos in future. Thanks again! :)
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Jeez. Micheletti's comments accusing the media he was censoring of "media terrorism" never made it to any other report I read. That and his idiotic George Bush laugh to go with it really show what the man is made of. Disgusting. Thanks for posting. Down with poverty and inequality in Latin America! :)
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
But against de hard times the poorr peoplereturn to the people trough ZElaya , the stupid richs are isolated and an example is the use of Peruvian gas bombs . laughigh ......whats the next step ??? to get bullets from Congo or Somalia ,
Uribedictador 2 years ago 3
You definitely do not have a clue of what is going on in Honduras. Plus you are adding pregidist remarks...is this the way you preach freedom?? Zelaya does not represent the poor he and his family are one one the biggest landlords in Olancho plus his family used to be one of the biggest timber magnates. He us just using a populist approach to stay in power and continue the drug trafficking he is partner with Chavez, all the venezuelan planes that landed in Honduras during his presidency?
realfreedomHonduras 2 years ago
realfreedomHonduras
THE ONLY THAT YOU CAN'T DENI IS THAT ZELAYA WON BY VOTE SO HE HAS TO FINISH. YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER BUT DEMOCRACY IS DEMOCRACY
Pregunten 2 years ago 2
Democracy does not mean that a criminal can stay in power just because he was elected. If someone is elected and later on that person VIOLATES his country's laws and international drug laws, then that person has to be taken down!That is real democracy what you are suggesting is not democracy but dictatorship where a person is above ALL laws. The point here is that everyone has to understand if you are elected you have to act within your country's laws NO ONE NOT EVEN a president is above the law
realfreedomHonduras 2 years ago
"NO ONE NOT EVEN a president is above the law "
Strangely enough, it's apparently ok for the coup leaders to continuously violate the law though? Sending the president to Costa Rica being but the very first in a list to which Human Rights groups such as Amnesty are adding, as well as censoring the press, etc.?
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Sincerely you have no point in what you write. I have given you explanations and facts. You only say the same thing without any explanations on your point. Zelaya represents NO ONE BUT HIMSELF. ZELAYA DOES NOT REPRESENT THE POOR, HE ONLY WANTS TO STAY IN POWER TO HAVE MORE MONEY AND TO CONTINUE HIS DRUG TRAFFICKING WITH CHAVEZ. HE IS NOT BENEFITING THE POOR HE IS BENEFITING HIMSELF. Besides the entire country knows it from 8MM Hondurans only 100K at the most support him. Get your facts right.
realfreedomHonduras 2 years ago
Be that as it may, a military coup is NOT the solution for a flawed presidencial regime. And you have to keep in mind that in a democracy, NO regime put in place by force can be considered legitimate or democratic, especially if its run by the military. Get your facts right. Sure zelaya can be an asshole, but there are Democratic ways to go about that problem.
Cuchimanmrs 2 years ago 2
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this goes to REALFREEDOMHONDURAS ... you should be ashamed of yourself using that name, you're a golpista! dont be ignorant talking about how Zelaya wanted to stay in power and money cause Micheletti is no saint, he is very CORRUPTED! how many years has he been in congress? huh? MANY? can u say CORRUPTION! and stop saying that Zelaya is a drug dealer with Chavez you ignorant! thats proof how the de facto government has brainwashed you!
djtj1987 2 years ago
Honduras people will success in the war against rich puch government . if you see the people with de puch government is rich furthermore there is ethnic diferences is easy to see how the puch president has a foreign name "Micheletti" this isan example of the righ tendences in our contienent , we want take our decisions .
Uribedictador 2 years ago 3
You say Mel is a "leftist" that is not true he is the essence of the right wing people. Son of a huge landlord and timber magnate. He "turned" to the left when the US cut their money support due to his criminal acts...so Chavez had the money...that is the truth and everyone in Honduras knows it. For the record his father was in jail because he was found guilty of participating in the mass killing of real "left" wing jesuit fathers and nuns in the 80s. You should get your facts right.
realfreedomHonduras 2 years ago
This is a completely biased report. You only show one side of the story. Mel was correctly removed from power. From 8 million Hondurans only 60 k support him. The "massive" marches you cite have had only 10k people. Marches supporting the new government go to 100k. You miss to mention the Supreme Court ordered his removal. He has 18 criminal accusations and everyone in the world knows about his drug related activities and all the Venezuelan planes that landed in Honduras on their way to the US.
realfreedomHonduras 2 years ago
fuera michelti
chevereEdu 2 years ago 3
U.S. puppets can change constitutions at will
w w w guardian co uk
/world/2009/sep/02/alvaro-uribe-colombia-third-term
bishop102 2 years ago 4
Everybody is riding Zelayas' dick. What about Uribe Alvaro? He just changed the constitution and is going to be running for his 3rd term! I assure you if he was ousted, the U.S. would put him back in 24 hours.
bishop102 2 years ago
that is just the half..he is a member of paramilitar´s army who kills civilian at will
curiossss 2 years ago
if only Americans had the guts to do this on Wall Street
marniespeaks 2 years ago
se necesita vivir en Honduras para conocer la verdadera represion a la que somos sometidos... Hondueños luchemos para recuperar nuestra libertad!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samantha000Lobo 2 years ago 2
Chavez needs to send in his troops now to liberate the Honduran people. The Americans are stretched to breaking point in Iraq/Afgh, they won't do anything (+ they need Venezuelan oil). Plus virtually the whole of Latin America (with the exception of the Colombian lapdogs) won't raise a fuss.
ivangrozny27 2 years ago 2
No, they can finish the job, they need to put sugar in all military personal vehicles. Slow there working day's calling out sick, protest, freezing the export from the country. Graffiti the walls to informing the public to overturn the coup. Molotile cocktails at gov't buildings. Burn them with fires, break head lights tail lights from gov't official cars. Stop there mobility, cut electric power cords in gov't buildings. Break there gov't machines, telephones wires there paper work.Destabilize
EmeterioBetances 2 years ago 2
put sugar in there gas tanks. lol not just sugar in there cars. LOL
EmeterioBetances 2 years ago
courtesy from the CIA ops used against Nicargua. :)
EmeterioBetances 2 years ago 2
Good Report. Muchas gracias.
JayPhilosopher 2 years ago
Thank you again for a comprehensive report on vital world events. Well done.
synapsecracklepop 2 years ago
look at his fucking Smirk psychological warfare BULLSHIT fucking bastard
dopeskies 2 years ago
they have imprisoned over 400 people they have closed local and national media outlets like Maya TV Canal 6 Canal 36 sending all Zelaya supporters to the stadium in Tegucigalpa by force putting curfews and cutting electricity and charging reporters for media terrorism while every country on the western hemisphere agrees that this government has to do go and denounces it, And if they invade the Brazilian embassy El Salvador Nicaragua and Venezuela Brazil will invade so who's the dictator?
dopeskies 2 years ago
whatever
annapfan1 2 years ago
NO w.e u fucking idiot don't spread lies about Someone who has helped the people which is i am studying in vancouver B.C to get my law degree and fight against all this corruption in my country u probably don't know the difference between San pedro y Olancho or El Guantio stupida
dopeskies 2 years ago
Soy de Tegus IDIOTA!
annapfan1 2 years ago
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GUYS!! U have NO IDEA what's going on!!!We have NO food,NO water, NOTHING!!This Mel Zelaya only came TO RUIN OUR COUNTRY!!!
annapfan1 2 years ago
U lying Bitch Zelaya has helped the Honduras u Disinfo agent Michelletii supports the big corporations 76 percent of hondurean people are in poverty and since zelaya took power it has decreased so FUCK U Que Viva Zelaya also every country on the western hemispheres Denounces this government
dopeskies 2 years ago 2
COME MIERDA MAJE, Y BUSCATE UNA VISA.pasa q ustedes se deskitan con la gente q tiene posibilidades de vida buena.MORITEE
annapfan1 2 years ago
Cerrote hijo de puta conservito
dopeskies 2 years ago
OH MY GOD OH MY GOOOOD, there are no clothes in the mall, what are we to do! Fucking Zelaya has violated our right to go shopping.. sheesh
libertits 2 years ago
you forgot about the cafe lattes. No Hilfiger & no Starbucks makes Anna go craaaaaazy.
ivangrozny27 2 years ago
these econo-elites are idiots, they've put their own faces on this regime and its violence by appearing with mickey like that.
takes a lot of confidence/hubris or a lack of intellect and forsight to dig the hole that deep.
ZejithThemis 2 years ago 2
Media terrorism? Firing people for not supporting a voting rally? Criminal charges for not voting? Stay inside your house for days? Is it a Country or a prison?
WTH!!!???!!!
Under those conditions .... that there is no 'democracy'.
UJB123 2 years ago 7
media terrorism, pathetic charge.
kingnek 2 years ago
Big Corporate elites.. vs people power.
There is a 'Global Political Awakening' happening all round the world.
ejbh3160 2 years ago 5
2,47 min in a real orogues gallery of new world, order puppet morons. military , business leadrs and coup leaders.. rioting will not help. dont fight them at their own game. ignore them.
COUNTCARDULAR 2 years ago
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all staged...my president Lula is worried about our 2010 election, cause his candidate is far away from the leader in all surveys, so he stage this right when he´s in the US with all world leaders, so he can look like the one who will put Zelaya back in the presidency and "restore" democracy...but Lula forgot to think about one little detail, the brazilians opinion...but, well, he doesn´t care about us anyway..
riobabilonia 2 years ago
Lula is the best and most honorable president in the world in at least the last century whether you like it or not, bitch.
libertits 2 years ago
MIcheletti is not a "de facto president" he is a coup leader and usurper.
DonkeyofHeaven 2 years ago 8
Now the curfew is undefined
Yadinmejia 2 years ago
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I hope that your
'freelance" Journalist also sends you pics of the tens of thousands that rejest a communist regime brought by Zelaya and Chavez to slave the Honduran people.
Very Bias report from your "realnews" or the fact that there were only hundreds paid zelaya "supporters" Hope You enjoyed your paycheck from Chavez to keep misinforming the world
henriqueznickl 2 years ago
what the hell do you see... chavez pays the whole world, according to you... iginorant.
metaljhongli 2 years ago 5
The brainwashed is you, henry (yes, without Capital leter =P). Zelaya has the "same" ideology that those puppets that you seem to like soooo much. Chavez has fulfilled Venezuelans expectations in social issues, which NONE of the past administrations did, and guess what THEY WERE ALL SUPPORTED BY THE US. The US SUPPORTED PLUTOCRATS IN EXCHANGE OF PLUNDERING ALL THEIR OIL!!
PS.: What goes around will come around, don't ya, henry?
ShounnenBatto 2 years ago 4
zelaya a communist?He is hardly a cetner rightist..
come down to planet earth
amet1980 2 years ago 3
I'll show you what bias is:
Media report "riots", while "MILITARY BRUTALITY" takes place . The Honduran population demonstrates PEACEFULLY and are DISARMED, while men are killed by the military and even children are amongst them. Which media is reporting about the assassinations, about the repression, about the wounded? NONE. Instead of reporting the death of an 8 year-old child, who died inside a building asphyxiated by tear gas, they report 2 police BEASTS wounded. WHO IS BIASED?
libertits 2 years ago 4
I think Al Jazeera did a good job!
ChinatownNoodles 2 years ago
No-one has done a good job, a coupel of them have decently covered things, but not as they should.. You don't know what is happening in Honduras, SHUT UP! PEOPLE ARE STARVING, they are dying!! there is no food, medicne, water, nor medication.
libertits 2 years ago 3
DOES ANOTHER "STATE OF EMERGENCY" MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU.. do you know what you re talking about`??? AL JAZEERA HAS REPORTED ZERO ON THIS NEW ATTACK ON THE POPULATION, ZELAYA IS INSIDE THE COUNTRY. IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU RE TALKING ABOUT SHUUUUUUUUUUUT UP
libertits 2 years ago 2
Are you trying to blow out my eyedrums?
ananiasacts 2 years ago
I hope, one day, someone like you gets a taste of what it is like to live in a state of terror, so another asshole like you gets to make fun of you and you see how it feels like. You will cry, and I will too, but not for you, just for the people, though people like you never care if it doesn't involve their own wallet. That's the difference between fascists and normal people.
libertits 2 years ago
and to answer your question:
No, your comment is an offense to human intelligence. I would like a donkey to blow the shit out of your face.
libertits 2 years ago
Sorry, that was a bit silly. But I actually do care. I've been working on an essay for the past few days trying to explain how you, me, and everyone else on earth can take control back from governments by creating a global meta-government ourselves here in cyberspace. How we can make our intrinsic political capital more tangible and use it like a massive weight heaped on the backs of our leadership to squeeze into the roles we choose for them. How to make all politicians into public servants.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
I'm sorry I overreacted.. I, like many hondurans are in a hysteric state.. My Mom and Dad who live in different cities can't get any food and the supermarket owner bullies didn't want to let people inside.. they are repressing us even with food.. I completely agree with you, I realized you didn't mean the comment like that but until too late.. I'm glad you are saying this and fighting for it.. We need that most people understand that politicians are public servants, not our owners...
libertits 2 years ago
An honest reaction can't be improved on in my opinion. You did no harm. I'll send you a copy when I'm done with it. Thanks.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
The guy just said he's gonna put the journalist in jail - right in front of their face. What more proof do you need that he's the real dictator?
bishop102 2 years ago 2
Nah, henriqueznickl doesn't get what a dictator is; the fella accepts blindly the "war is peace" s**t.
ShounnenBatto 2 years ago
curfew? more like martial law.
jokerbookshop 2 years ago 6
yankees and their puppets must fall
historywillabsolve 2 years ago 2
did you raise a son who would kill you on an order of his pay master?
wcarlpdrysdale 2 years ago
The Honduran people will overthrow Micheletti and set an example for the world. So sad how US corporate media obsesses over protests in Iran and ignores what is happening NEXT DOOR in Honduras!
AndrewMann552 2 years ago 4
so the democratically-elected president has potentially violated a pretty impractical and minor rule in the constitution -- then certainly it follows that the military should kidnap the president and exile him and undemocratically legitimize some random guy from the business community!! that sounds like a fair deal!! obama should say nothing about this, and lanny davis should keep lobbying for the WONDERFUL de facto government!!
poop121 2 years ago 8
Actually Zelaya didn't even violate the law, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran Civil Participation Act of 2006. According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures. This act was approved by the National Congress and it was not contested by the Supreme Court of Justice, when it was published in the Official Paper of 2006.
AndrewMann552 2 years ago 4
LETS GO HONDURAS!!!!!!!!
INFANTRIA666 2 years ago 3
Soccer stadium - eerily similar to Chile and Pinochet.
SuppressedNews 2 years ago 14
Indeed.