Hillsong.... a moment of grace from God... for all of us... A moment of peace and rest before the end... Take time to listen to all thoses beautiful sounds.... as now we can.... And when the end wll come... we will be able to remember some of thoses beautiful sounds... to help us when we will feel we are not in he earth anymore... but in the hell... fighting against the evil with all our stengh... Because for sure...this hard and horrible moment will also come one day...one day...
Beautiful song praise to God forever! If you have nothing good to say about this video then don't type anything at all and stop arguing with each other, because it's useless. Im sick of seeing all these ppl argue on youtube
1Corinzi 13-3 Se distribuissi tutti i miei beni per nutrire i poveri, se dessi il mio corpo a essere arso, e non avessi amore, non mi gioverebbe a niente.
4 L'amore è paziente, è benevolo; l'amore non invidia; l'amore non si vanta, non si gonfia, 5 non si comporta in modo sconveniente, non cerca il proprio interesse, non s'inasprisce, non addebita il male, 6 non gode dell'ingiustizia, ma gioisce con la verità; 7 soffre ogni cosa, crede ogni cosa, spera ogni cosa, sopporta ogni cosa.
@megalong10 he rescued those who believe wholeheartedly and seek refuge in him from their sin. not from the environment of sin. we as man were created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27). but, falling short to temptation, we have shattered that reflection. that is why the newspaper reads "Osama Is Dead" and not "Jesus is Alive".
My Church Does Covers Of Hillsong Chapel's Sonqs, And They Amaze Me. I Usually Cry When I Listen To The Lyrics Closely. God Has Helped Me Thru So Much, And Im So Happy I Have Him In My Life<3 Thank You Lord.
@clayhutchins 1. That's just one guy. It doesn't matter what title he has, he can still be wrong. That article proves nothing.
2. You can't say "oh I have compassion for people" and say "I like to see people suffer". More like God likes to see evil (actual evil, not subjective things) deeds punished, but it doesn't mean he likes to see humans suffer.
3. Children don't know any better. If you really think if a child who dies deserves it, that's disgusting.
@clayhutchins 4. Babies are innocent. You can't really think God wouldn't allow a baby into heaven.
5. Haiti was not a punishment. That event some people claim, never actually took place. People just don't want to admit that they overthrew the white invaders on their own. God doesn't send natural disasters, they just happen. Blaming the victims of one is just not cool. They deserve compassion, not ridiculous claims.
6. God allows things to happen, but it doesn't mean he's the cause.
@tallliza I Know that Jesus is only way to God. Jesus died on the cross and all our sins are washed away. God is only one who can saves us from eternal death to eternal life. It's true, but If You dont want to believe it, Im not tryin' to turn you head to believe. But I pray, although I Don't know you, that You would accept Jesus to your heart. Blessings!
@myhsp --I Know that Jesus is only way to God-- How silly. Even Billy Graham after havinbg preached his whole life, that Jesus ... is the only way.. preached the opposite in the end. Jesus died on the cross, the save us from the hell, HE CREATED, what a loving god ?? That`s like the arsonist , trying to save people from the fire, he has set.
@tallliza First, there are many Biblical texts that contradict Mr. Graham's assertion (Daniel 12:2; Matthew 3:12 (Luke 3:17); Mark 9:43–48; Matthew 18:8; Matthew 10:28 (Luke 12:4–5); Matthew 25:41, 46; Matthew 26:24; Mark 3:29 and Matthew 12:32; Luke 16:26; Romans 2:6–8; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; Hebrews 6:1–2; Jude 12–13; Revelation 14:11; Revelation 19:3; Revelation 20:10). It is because of these texts that Christians mustn't fall into universalism. Faith in Christ is essential.
@clayhutchins The metaphor of the arsonist is perfect. God did noy have to create hell. All the good people from the generations before christ went to heaven, without salvation. Why couldn`t we ? Suppose now, there had been no salvation, where would the souls of all the good people go ? To hell ???
@tallliza God created hell so that he'd be righteous and fair. If any murderer was brought before a judge and the judge simply said, "Well.. will you not do it again? Okay. That's good enough, let him go guys." It would be an outrage, it would be a scandal. The murderer committed a crime and a JUST society (not vengeful) would demand a fair repayment for it. That judge would be declared unjust and replaced immediately. It's the same way with God. If he did not create hell, he'd be unjust.
@clayhutchins Hell is childish BULLSHIT. Even the church(cath.) says in his latest theological statements, that heaven an hell are no real places, but "states of being'.
@tallliza I am fully aware of the Catholic Church's recent blundering, and it is very tragic. It is my prayer that they would come to their senses on not only this account, but on a lot of subjects (salvation, ecclesiology, mariology, eucharist). For confirmation of the existence of hell, I would encourage you to look at the previous verses I posted. You'll find about half of them come from Jesus - he spoke of hell more than any other subject.
@tallliza And lastly, I am not the blind one here. I've given you ample Bible verses to look up and I seriously doubt you've even looked up one of them. If you sincerely want to know God and follow after him, I suggest learning to understand and submit to God's revealed word. Otherwise you're not even worshiping the God of the Bible, you're worshiping whatever you make him out to be. I urge you to go to biblegateway(dot)com and look up these verses I've given you.
@clayhutchins-- I suggest learning to understand and submit to God's revealed word. -- The bible sir/lady(the O.T.) is the greatest accumulation of nonsense ever assembled by man. The bible can never be the word of a loving god. The bible is the word of man, not of a god. What superintelligent being would leave it up to his subject, to interpret his word( essential to reach eternal slavation). That is like the judge leaving the interpretation of the penal code to the accused.
@tallliza Well, thanks for telling me that you don't believe anything in the Bible! That would have been useful to know in my responses. Haha. So, how can you be in any meaningful sense a Christian if you think the Bible is not divinely inspired? Who is this God that you worship, is it the triune God of Scripture?
@clayhutchins There might be a god sir/lady, but there cannot be a loving, caring, just, compassionate god. The facts on earth contradict such a notion.
@tallliza the problem of suffering and pain is addressed many times in the Bible. If you're really seeking the truth then I encourage you to read the Problem of Pain and Mere Christianity both by C.S. Lewis. Also The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller looks into the top main problems people hold against Christianity. Hope you find your way. And if you weren't even looking/searching then I still pray that God will meet you, friend.
@clayhutchins If I understand you corrrectly the slightest human mistake disserves the greatest imaginable punishment. What kind of DIVINE justice is this ? Aren`t we glad god is not sitting in our courtrooms.
@clayhutchins -- I've given you ample Bible verses to look up --- How silly, Bible verses prove as much as verses from" Snowhite and the 7 Dwarfs ". I lost three years of my life studying the bible. God`s revealed word does not exist. The bible, the Old-Testament ,is the greatest accumulation of nonsense ever.
Romans 1:22-25: Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
@tallliza I now realize that sending you to the Bible would be ineffective, and indeed, I'm sorry that I did, considering you don't even believe in it. That's putting the cart before the horse. I sent that message because I thought you were a Christian who denied the existence of hell and God's wrath (we call them Universalists). Seeing that you're an atheist, I wish to talk to you in private messages. Would you accept my friend request so that we could carry on with this conversation?
@clayhutchins Be my guest. If I am running out of patience I will just stop. But I see little future in such a discution, unless you can give me a REASONAble explanation for the suffering of the innocent.
@tallliza Short answer: No one living is completely innocent before God and therefore, undeserving of suffering. So God is never unjust when people suffer. The God allows suffering and evil in general is because it leads to a greater good: namely, the full extent of God's glory. You don't know hot unless you know cold; you don't know light unless you know dark; you don't know good unless you know bad. God allows evil and suffering so that his goodness and mercy would shine more brightly.
@clayhutchins -- No one living is completely innocent before God and therefore, undeserving of suffering-- And this theory, that you seem to take as truth, is based on what sir ? Would you tell me what crime babies can be guilty off ?? What can be the greater good of 100.000 children perishing under the rubble of their dwellings in Haiti. Seriously ? Tell me how his goodness and mercy is more shining ,when 100.000 children have to die ?.
@tallliza An imputed sinful nature that all human beings have and are born with. This is proven very simply (especially if you've had kids), in that you don't need to teach a kid to be selfish or self-centered or disobedient. You must teach and discipline them to do good - but not to do evil. This proves that David was right when he said, "I was brought forth in iniquity."
Incidents like that tell the world, "Unless you repent, you will likewise perish" (Luke 13:5). It's a warning.
@tallliza So, a big purpose of God in incidents like that is to lovingly warn the world of what's to come if they don't repent and trust in him. And in the days when things go well and tranquil, God is wooing us to repentance. He woos in peace and warns in trouble - don't misread the voice of God. There are other things events like that do - such as, they point toward the futility and chaos of this world and make us look forward to the world to come (Romans 8:18-23).
I disagree that god causes these bad things to happen to teach us a lesson and make us more (holy) , Im a christian and I believe that God is in charge but he gave us (humanity) control of the earth. An y bad thing that happens on earth is not caused by God and is not God's will. This video explains it better
@dkid12345678910 I'm afraid that I can't side with you and Bill Johnson there. What I see in the Bible is this God who is utterly sovereign over all things, to the extent that "the lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord" (Proverbs 16:33). Meaning, there are no coincidences - ALL is under his sovereign control - even evil. "Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most HIgh that good and bad come?" (Lam 3:38)
@dkid12345678910 Here are some Bible verses I encourage you to look up and think over the implications they have on the nature of God's sovereignty: Genesis 37:18-28; 45:5, 7-9, 50:20; Job 2:10; 42:2; Proverbs 16:1, 9, 33; 21:1; Psalm 33:10-11; 103:19; 115:3; 135:5-7; Isaiah 46: 9-10; Lamentations 2:11; 3:37-38; Daniel 4:35; Amos 3:6; Acts 18:21; Romans 8:28; 11:36; 1 Corinthians 4:19; Ephesians 1:11; James 4:13-16; Revelation 4:11. What do these verses say about the extent of God's will?
@dkid12345678910 And last, I agree with you that many bad things that happen on the Earth are against God's will.. in some sense. But when you talk about the will of God as if it were a singular thing, that is the error. There are two wills in God: his moral will and his sovereign will. This is a deeply weighty and deeply Biblical truth. Here's a very helpful article I strongly encourage you to read: desiringgod !!!DOT!!!! org/resource-library/articles/are-there-two-wills-in-god
@clayhutchins I know God is a sovereign God, but God put us into his sovereign plan when he gave us free wil, by saying God is in control of everything that happens on earth, youre saying God made a man kill someone and that he didn't have the the free will of choice to decide to do it himself, God made Hitler do the things he did to teach us a lesson, this idea goes against everything God is, which is Love. Its all in the bible, why would God telll you to pray against sickness if he caused it
@dkid12345678910 Did you even look at any of the Scriptures I gave to you? I am completely not making this up, I am literarily quoting the Bible when I say this, "Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?" (Lam 3:38) And as Job cries out, "Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?" (Job 2:10) This is emphatically not saying that God only gives good and evil is not under his will.
@dkid12345678910 The fact of the Bible is that God is utterly sovereign over all things - including every affair of man - and man is utterly responsible for his actions. That's why God, in his wrath, would use Satan to incite David to number his men (which was sin) and then David claims total responsibility for his sin (2 Sam 24:1; 1 Chron 21:1, 7) And it's why God would use Babylon as a sword of his wrath to punish Israel, and then he turns around and punishes Babylon for attacking Israel.
@dkid12345678910 I could list Biblical evidence that proves God has two wills, but that's unnecessary because I gave you an article that goes into great detail with that. If you want to see where in the Bible it shows that God has two wills, there is literarily a section in that article labled, "Illustrations of Two Wills in God" that show tons of Biblical examples. Here it is again: desiringgod (DOT!!!!) org/resource-library/articles/are-there-two-wills-in-god
@clayhutchins When you copy the link into your address bar, be sure to erase the "(DOT!!!!)" and put an actual "." - and then for some reason it adds a space between the last slash and the word "are" which you'll need to get rid of. Then it should work! If not, Google "Are there two wills in God" and click on the one that is from Desiring God.
I agree that jesus's death was part of God's sovereign plan but jesus did come back to life and went to heaven, he didn't die and then rot in hell. Jesus died because he became sin on the cross and sin died, His death is the only way we can have a relationship with God and the only way his holy spirit can dwell in us forever. God gains nothing when a human dies, he see's his beloved child suffer in hell.
Comparing thousands of deaths in haiti, to jesus dying is just silly.
This article proves that jesus's death was God's will, which I agree on but it does not prove that its God will is to see us (humans) die.
This article does not prove God has two wills, it proves that God has one will which is to see us experience his love and have eternal life which is why jesus died, the only person who suffered in jesus's death is jesus, jesus is God and God suffered for us because he loves us so much.
@tallliza I'd love to message you about this. We can go more into detail and with deeper questions and things there. There are no closed doors for you, you can ask any question you want and we can just be honest with each other. Just accept my friends request and we can see where to go from there.
@tallliza I'd love to go more in depth with some of your questions, via private messages. Just accept my friend request and we can talk honestly with each other.
@tallliza Second, there are no souls of "good people". No one is good (Mark 10:18). God doesn't look down at the world and see good people and bad people, and he saves the good people. He looks down on the world and sees bad people and the Lord Jesus standing in front of some bad people, and sees them through Christ and saves them. The Bible says before Christ that it was those who trusted in the Yahweh God who were saved - not the "good" people.
@clayhutchins --Second, there are no souls of "good people". No one is good (Mark 10:18). Theological NONSENSE. By the same token I can claim nobody is bad
He looks down on the world and sees bad people --- How do you know ? Have you been sitting next to him ??
The Bible says before Christ that it was those who trusted in the Yahweh God who were saved -- So all the people from China, who never heard about Jaweh , where are they ?
@tallliza Second, even the smallest sin against an infinitely holy God is an act of infinite treason. Every sin - from murder to lying - is supremely just between that person and God (Psalm 51:4). It's that person saying "I know your ways, but mine is better." All sin is an act of treason against an infinitely high and honorable God. It is that God that is defamed and belittled when we sin.
Third, it isn't theological nonsense. Look up, for instance, that verse. And a whole slew of others. Romans 3:9-24 is another good place to check. Here's Ephesians 2:1-3: "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world.... and [you] were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." This verse teaches (1) That we are radically depraved (dead in sin), (2) we are all BY NATURE children of wrath, and (3) this is true for all.
@tallliza Fourth, all who do not have the law are still held accountable, not by the law they didn't receive, but even just by what they were revealed to through general revelation in creation. This is Paul's point in Romans 1:18-20. If we look back at Ephesians 2, Paul says we're "by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." Meaning, all of manking (including China) are deserving of hell and are going there unless they're justified through faith in Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1).
And lastly, the reason that hell is a proper punishment is because whenever anyone sins, they are committing an infinitely terrible crime. The seriousness of a crime is determined in part by the dignity or authoritative position of the one wronged - like if I punched a random guy versus punching the President. Since God is an infinitely glorious God, for us to sin against that God is to commit a crime worthy of infinite punishment. God's two responses are hell and the cross.
@clayhutchins With your theological bullshit, the smallest sin ,committed against a infinitely holy being deserves the most imaginable punishment. WHAT SILLY KINDERGARTEN NONSENSE, By the way. The cath, church in its lates theological statements has calimed that heaven and hell are NO REAL PLACES.
@tallliza Second, the beauty of God's love is not that he doesn't have wrath, but that he sent his Son so that whoever believes could escape it. The arsonist metaphor is inadequate because we actually deserve hell - while arson is always wrong. A more accurate metaphor is this: it's like someone who commits a terrible crime, of which he merits and deserves a punishment (a crime against an infinitely glorious God demands an infinite punishment), and the judge acquits him of that punishment.
@clayhutchins -- the beauty of God's love is not that he doesn't have wrath-- That is not love, that is called revenge. If you believe in hell, you believe that god is the worst tyrant ever,, Stalin, Hitler etc. killed their opponents, and that was the end. But this heavenly father tortures FOR ALL ETERNITY, not only his opponents , but even those who happen to not-believe in him. HOW LOVING, What a joke !!
PLZ, forgive me for my sins..I did a lot of nonsense..
GodINeedYou 1 month ago
Is the bass a cello?
WaghRules 1 month ago
@WaghRules nops, the bass is a bass, and the cello is the cello...
coutinhofilipe 1 month ago 3
Glory to God .. he is worthy to receive all praise forever
vearequipa 1 month ago
Singer - Jill McCloghry
G4Bri3LFerR31rA 2 months ago
@G4Bri3LFerR31rA yup
hugodevotion 1 month ago
I LOVE THIS SONG.... I LOVE YOU JESUS BECOS YOU FIRST LOVED ME... XXX
MellieGrace10 2 months ago
piękna piosenka uwielbiająca Jezusa!
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chad19821 3 months ago
Everytime i hear the Word God I get goospumps because i Love Him so Much.
afewcovers 5 months ago 5
@afewcovers amen :)
hugodevotion 1 month ago
god is the best thing that ever happened to me
redsox4life7297 5 months ago 4
@redsox4life7297 praise Him!
hugodevotion 1 month ago
FOR THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS TO THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING, BUT TO US WHO ARE BEING SAVE IT IS THE POWER OF GOD
dannearu 6 months ago 3
oh, wonderfull song in God, I thx for the singer.
josnasusa22 7 months ago
maravilhoso!!!!
fulll5 7 months ago
Hillsong.... a moment of grace from God... for all of us... A moment of peace and rest before the end... Take time to listen to all thoses beautiful sounds.... as now we can.... And when the end wll come... we will be able to remember some of thoses beautiful sounds... to help us when we will feel we are not in he earth anymore... but in the hell... fighting against the evil with all our stengh... Because for sure...this hard and horrible moment will also come one day...one day...
GiveMeYourTruth 7 months ago
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this music sucks
xxxtoke 7 months ago
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It is a wonderful song!!!
etafese2008 7 months ago in playlist Worship songs
It is a wonderful song!!!
etafese2008 7 months ago in playlist Worship songs
Genesis 9:3 God will bless us all in heaven. Acts 2:17...i've seen those visions over a year ago.
MrFreestyle89 7 months ago
saya suka :)
Melati1802 8 months ago
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GOD'S IS MADLY IN LOVE YOU.
INCHRIST4CHRIST 8 months ago
Lo mejor en la vida es alabar a nuestro SEÑOR! :D
theIngrid1389 8 months ago 2
We can't let circumstances depict our faith. Always remember when disaster strikes:
"God is good all the time. All the time, God is good."
StandStrong089 8 months ago 4
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one of my fave songs...
sarjcute 9 months ago
Beautiful song praise to God forever! If you have nothing good to say about this video then don't type anything at all and stop arguing with each other, because it's useless. Im sick of seeing all these ppl argue on youtube
crazychick0390 9 months ago
hey bros, Gods got a plan.
TheChristianguy101 9 months ago 54
All woman at hillsong are so beautiful :-)
einfachnurmalso 9 months ago
Beautiful!
grantcolbiedavis 9 months ago
1Corinzi 13-3 Se distribuissi tutti i miei beni per nutrire i poveri, se dessi il mio corpo a essere arso, e non avessi amore, non mi gioverebbe a niente.
4 L'amore è paziente, è benevolo; l'amore non invidia; l'amore non si vanta, non si gonfia, 5 non si comporta in modo sconveniente, non cerca il proprio interesse, non s'inasprisce, non addebita il male, 6 non gode dell'ingiustizia, ma gioisce con la verità; 7 soffre ogni cosa, crede ogni cosa, spera ogni cosa, sopporta ogni cosa.
236Pier 11 months ago
tu presencia en mi guia mi andar
tu palabra es la verdad
restauracion y redencion
encontre en ti señor
pablo64389 11 months ago
i love it!!!
ediziongi 11 months ago
i love this song.
God bless you.
guitarist991 11 months ago
wonderful song!
cullenchica 11 months ago
what an awesome song servant and king love it
1982joyous 11 months ago
"Rescued the world"? ... Quit waving your hands around in the air and open a newspaper, for God's sake!
megalong10 11 months ago
@megalong10
Kinda more in respect of what Jesus did on the cross. He indeed rescued the world, everyone is just too busy rejecting him to realize this.
Stutteringpunk 11 months ago
@megalong10 he rescued those who believe wholeheartedly and seek refuge in him from their sin. not from the environment of sin. we as man were created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27). but, falling short to temptation, we have shattered that reflection. that is why the newspaper reads "Osama Is Dead" and not "Jesus is Alive".
StandStrong089 9 months ago 2
Jill is so beautiful! and she has a beautiful, unique voice! and praise God that she's using it for Him!
aaronjames91 1 year ago
You should read Jill's story about this song inorder to appreciate it fully
ttswaipe 1 year ago 2
@ttswaipe where can i read jill's story?
DNel123 11 months ago
@ttswaipe where do i read it?
MaknaeMe 11 months ago
It boggles my mind how Jesus the God/King would "gladly" give his life to redeem wretched sinners like us. PTLJ for his divine grace to us.
mdabrk 1 year ago
My Church Does Covers Of Hillsong Chapel's Sonqs, And They Amaze Me. I Usually Cry When I Listen To The Lyrics Closely. God Has Helped Me Thru So Much, And Im So Happy I Have Him In My Life<3 Thank You Lord.
tori123alyse123 1 year ago 34
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PowellZevin770 1 year ago
greeeeeeatt songgggggg
ovidaniel91 1 year ago
GREAT SONG!
angitolo15 1 year ago
@dkid12345678910 There were far more examples apart from Christ's death. If you had read those you would not have said that. Read on, my friend.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins 1. That's just one guy. It doesn't matter what title he has, he can still be wrong. That article proves nothing.
2. You can't say "oh I have compassion for people" and say "I like to see people suffer". More like God likes to see evil (actual evil, not subjective things) deeds punished, but it doesn't mean he likes to see humans suffer.
3. Children don't know any better. If you really think if a child who dies deserves it, that's disgusting.
CaptVelocity 9 months ago
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CaptVelocity 9 months ago
@clayhutchins 4. Babies are innocent. You can't really think God wouldn't allow a baby into heaven.
5. Haiti was not a punishment. That event some people claim, never actually took place. People just don't want to admit that they overthrew the white invaders on their own. God doesn't send natural disasters, they just happen. Blaming the victims of one is just not cool. They deserve compassion, not ridiculous claims.
6. God allows things to happen, but it doesn't mean he's the cause.
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dkid12345678910 1 year ago
I love you, God!!! i will fall at your feet and worship you.
ale8886albi 1 year ago
Amazing! God You are the only who saves us!
myhsp 1 year ago
@myhsp How do you know ? Did you ever try another one ?
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza I Know that Jesus is only way to God. Jesus died on the cross and all our sins are washed away. God is only one who can saves us from eternal death to eternal life. It's true, but If You dont want to believe it, Im not tryin' to turn you head to believe. But I pray, although I Don't know you, that You would accept Jesus to your heart. Blessings!
myhsp 1 year ago
@myhsp --I Know that Jesus is only way to God-- How silly. Even Billy Graham after havinbg preached his whole life, that Jesus ... is the only way.. preached the opposite in the end. Jesus died on the cross, the save us from the hell, HE CREATED, what a loving god ?? That`s like the arsonist , trying to save people from the fire, he has set.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza First, there are many Biblical texts that contradict Mr. Graham's assertion (Daniel 12:2; Matthew 3:12 (Luke 3:17); Mark 9:43–48; Matthew 18:8; Matthew 10:28 (Luke 12:4–5); Matthew 25:41, 46; Matthew 26:24; Mark 3:29 and Matthew 12:32; Luke 16:26; Romans 2:6–8; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; Hebrews 6:1–2; Jude 12–13; Revelation 14:11; Revelation 19:3; Revelation 20:10). It is because of these texts that Christians mustn't fall into universalism. Faith in Christ is essential.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins The metaphor of the arsonist is perfect. God did noy have to create hell. All the good people from the generations before christ went to heaven, without salvation. Why couldn`t we ? Suppose now, there had been no salvation, where would the souls of all the good people go ? To hell ???
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza God created hell so that he'd be righteous and fair. If any murderer was brought before a judge and the judge simply said, "Well.. will you not do it again? Okay. That's good enough, let him go guys." It would be an outrage, it would be a scandal. The murderer committed a crime and a JUST society (not vengeful) would demand a fair repayment for it. That judge would be declared unjust and replaced immediately. It's the same way with God. If he did not create hell, he'd be unjust.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins Hell is childish BULLSHIT. Even the church(cath.) says in his latest theological statements, that heaven an hell are no real places, but "states of being'.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza I am fully aware of the Catholic Church's recent blundering, and it is very tragic. It is my prayer that they would come to their senses on not only this account, but on a lot of subjects (salvation, ecclesiology, mariology, eucharist). For confirmation of the existence of hell, I would encourage you to look at the previous verses I posted. You'll find about half of them come from Jesus - he spoke of hell more than any other subject.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins Hell is childish scare-mongering. PERIOD. I appreciate your labelling of other christians. Nothing better, to prove your own blindness,
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza And lastly, I am not the blind one here. I've given you ample Bible verses to look up and I seriously doubt you've even looked up one of them. If you sincerely want to know God and follow after him, I suggest learning to understand and submit to God's revealed word. Otherwise you're not even worshiping the God of the Bible, you're worshiping whatever you make him out to be. I urge you to go to biblegateway(dot)com and look up these verses I've given you.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins-- I suggest learning to understand and submit to God's revealed word. -- The bible sir/lady(the O.T.) is the greatest accumulation of nonsense ever assembled by man. The bible can never be the word of a loving god. The bible is the word of man, not of a god. What superintelligent being would leave it up to his subject, to interpret his word( essential to reach eternal slavation). That is like the judge leaving the interpretation of the penal code to the accused.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza Well, thanks for telling me that you don't believe anything in the Bible! That would have been useful to know in my responses. Haha. So, how can you be in any meaningful sense a Christian if you think the Bible is not divinely inspired? Who is this God that you worship, is it the triune God of Scripture?
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins There might be a god sir/lady, but there cannot be a loving, caring, just, compassionate god. The facts on earth contradict such a notion.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza How about we continue this discussion via private messages, so that this comment page doesn't get overloaded?
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@tallliza the problem of suffering and pain is addressed many times in the Bible. If you're really seeking the truth then I encourage you to read the Problem of Pain and Mere Christianity both by C.S. Lewis. Also The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller looks into the top main problems people hold against Christianity. Hope you find your way. And if you weren't even looking/searching then I still pray that God will meet you, friend.
jedwardx1 1 year ago
@clayhutchins If I understand you corrrectly the slightest human mistake disserves the greatest imaginable punishment. What kind of DIVINE justice is this ? Aren`t we glad god is not sitting in our courtrooms.
tallliza 1 year ago
@clayhutchins -- I've given you ample Bible verses to look up --- How silly, Bible verses prove as much as verses from" Snowhite and the 7 Dwarfs ". I lost three years of my life studying the bible. God`s revealed word does not exist. The bible, the Old-Testament ,is the greatest accumulation of nonsense ever.
tallliza 1 year ago
Romans 1:22-25: Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
andrewchand 1 year ago
@andrewchand Romans sir, is the word of the first missionary for Christ and has no more validity or credibility as the words of your Sunday preacher.
tallliza 1 year ago
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andrewchand 1 year ago
@tallliza I now realize that sending you to the Bible would be ineffective, and indeed, I'm sorry that I did, considering you don't even believe in it. That's putting the cart before the horse. I sent that message because I thought you were a Christian who denied the existence of hell and God's wrath (we call them Universalists). Seeing that you're an atheist, I wish to talk to you in private messages. Would you accept my friend request so that we could carry on with this conversation?
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins Be my guest. If I am running out of patience I will just stop. But I see little future in such a discution, unless you can give me a REASONAble explanation for the suffering of the innocent.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza Short answer: No one living is completely innocent before God and therefore, undeserving of suffering. So God is never unjust when people suffer. The God allows suffering and evil in general is because it leads to a greater good: namely, the full extent of God's glory. You don't know hot unless you know cold; you don't know light unless you know dark; you don't know good unless you know bad. God allows evil and suffering so that his goodness and mercy would shine more brightly.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins -- No one living is completely innocent before God and therefore, undeserving of suffering-- And this theory, that you seem to take as truth, is based on what sir ? Would you tell me what crime babies can be guilty off ?? What can be the greater good of 100.000 children perishing under the rubble of their dwellings in Haiti. Seriously ? Tell me how his goodness and mercy is more shining ,when 100.000 children have to die ?.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza An imputed sinful nature that all human beings have and are born with. This is proven very simply (especially if you've had kids), in that you don't need to teach a kid to be selfish or self-centered or disobedient. You must teach and discipline them to do good - but not to do evil. This proves that David was right when he said, "I was brought forth in iniquity."
Incidents like that tell the world, "Unless you repent, you will likewise perish" (Luke 13:5). It's a warning.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@tallliza So, a big purpose of God in incidents like that is to lovingly warn the world of what's to come if they don't repent and trust in him. And in the days when things go well and tranquil, God is wooing us to repentance. He woos in peace and warns in trouble - don't misread the voice of God. There are other things events like that do - such as, they point toward the futility and chaos of this world and make us look forward to the world to come (Romans 8:18-23).
clayhutchins 1 year ago
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I disagree that god causes these bad things to happen to teach us a lesson and make us more (holy) , Im a christian and I believe that God is in charge but he gave us (humanity) control of the earth. An y bad thing that happens on earth is not caused by God and is not God's will. This video explains it better
Bill Johnson - God is good, ALL the time
dkid12345678910 1 year ago
@dkid12345678910 I'm afraid that I can't side with you and Bill Johnson there. What I see in the Bible is this God who is utterly sovereign over all things, to the extent that "the lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord" (Proverbs 16:33). Meaning, there are no coincidences - ALL is under his sovereign control - even evil. "Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most HIgh that good and bad come?" (Lam 3:38)
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@dkid12345678910 Here are some Bible verses I encourage you to look up and think over the implications they have on the nature of God's sovereignty: Genesis 37:18-28; 45:5, 7-9, 50:20; Job 2:10; 42:2; Proverbs 16:1, 9, 33; 21:1; Psalm 33:10-11; 103:19; 115:3; 135:5-7; Isaiah 46: 9-10; Lamentations 2:11; 3:37-38; Daniel 4:35; Amos 3:6; Acts 18:21; Romans 8:28; 11:36; 1 Corinthians 4:19; Ephesians 1:11; James 4:13-16; Revelation 4:11. What do these verses say about the extent of God's will?
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@dkid12345678910 And last, I agree with you that many bad things that happen on the Earth are against God's will.. in some sense. But when you talk about the will of God as if it were a singular thing, that is the error. There are two wills in God: his moral will and his sovereign will. This is a deeply weighty and deeply Biblical truth. Here's a very helpful article I strongly encourage you to read: desiringgod !!!DOT!!!! org/resource-library/articles/are-there-two-wills-in-god
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins I know God is a sovereign God, but God put us into his sovereign plan when he gave us free wil, by saying God is in control of everything that happens on earth, youre saying God made a man kill someone and that he didn't have the the free will of choice to decide to do it himself, God made Hitler do the things he did to teach us a lesson, this idea goes against everything God is, which is Love. Its all in the bible, why would God telll you to pray against sickness if he caused it
dkid12345678910 1 year ago
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clayhutchins 1 year ago
@dkid12345678910 Did you even look at any of the Scriptures I gave to you? I am completely not making this up, I am literarily quoting the Bible when I say this, "Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?" (Lam 3:38) And as Job cries out, "Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?" (Job 2:10) This is emphatically not saying that God only gives good and evil is not under his will.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@dkid12345678910 The fact of the Bible is that God is utterly sovereign over all things - including every affair of man - and man is utterly responsible for his actions. That's why God, in his wrath, would use Satan to incite David to number his men (which was sin) and then David claims total responsibility for his sin (2 Sam 24:1; 1 Chron 21:1, 7) And it's why God would use Babylon as a sword of his wrath to punish Israel, and then he turns around and punishes Babylon for attacking Israel.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins where is the scripture in the Bible that shows God has two wills
dkid12345678910 1 year ago
@dkid12345678910 I could list Biblical evidence that proves God has two wills, but that's unnecessary because I gave you an article that goes into great detail with that. If you want to see where in the Bible it shows that God has two wills, there is literarily a section in that article labled, "Illustrations of Two Wills in God" that show tons of Biblical examples. Here it is again: desiringgod (DOT!!!!) org/resource-library/articles/are-there-two-wills-in-god
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins When you copy the link into your address bar, be sure to erase the "(DOT!!!!)" and put an actual "." - and then for some reason it adds a space between the last slash and the word "are" which you'll need to get rid of. Then it should work! If not, Google "Are there two wills in God" and click on the one that is from Desiring God.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
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I agree that jesus's death was part of God's sovereign plan but jesus did come back to life and went to heaven, he didn't die and then rot in hell. Jesus died because he became sin on the cross and sin died, His death is the only way we can have a relationship with God and the only way his holy spirit can dwell in us forever. God gains nothing when a human dies, he see's his beloved child suffer in hell.
Comparing thousands of deaths in haiti, to jesus dying is just silly.
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@clayhutchins
This article proves that jesus's death was God's will, which I agree on but it does not prove that its God will is to see us (humans) die.
This article does not prove God has two wills, it proves that God has one will which is to see us experience his love and have eternal life which is why jesus died, the only person who suffered in jesus's death is jesus, jesus is God and God suffered for us because he loves us so much.
dkid12345678910 1 year ago
@tallliza I'd love to message you about this. We can go more into detail and with deeper questions and things there. There are no closed doors for you, you can ask any question you want and we can just be honest with each other. Just accept my friends request and we can see where to go from there.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@tallliza I'd love to go more in depth with some of your questions, via private messages. Just accept my friend request and we can talk honestly with each other.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
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dkid12345678910 1 year ago
@tallliza Second, there are no souls of "good people". No one is good (Mark 10:18). God doesn't look down at the world and see good people and bad people, and he saves the good people. He looks down on the world and sees bad people and the Lord Jesus standing in front of some bad people, and sees them through Christ and saves them. The Bible says before Christ that it was those who trusted in the Yahweh God who were saved - not the "good" people.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins --Second, there are no souls of "good people". No one is good (Mark 10:18). Theological NONSENSE. By the same token I can claim nobody is bad
He looks down on the world and sees bad people --- How do you know ? Have you been sitting next to him ??
The Bible says before Christ that it was those who trusted in the Yahweh God who were saved -- So all the people from China, who never heard about Jaweh , where are they ?
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza Second, even the smallest sin against an infinitely holy God is an act of infinite treason. Every sin - from murder to lying - is supremely just between that person and God (Psalm 51:4). It's that person saying "I know your ways, but mine is better." All sin is an act of treason against an infinitely high and honorable God. It is that God that is defamed and belittled when we sin.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
Third, it isn't theological nonsense. Look up, for instance, that verse. And a whole slew of others. Romans 3:9-24 is another good place to check. Here's Ephesians 2:1-3: "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world.... and [you] were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." This verse teaches (1) That we are radically depraved (dead in sin), (2) we are all BY NATURE children of wrath, and (3) this is true for all.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@tallliza Fourth, all who do not have the law are still held accountable, not by the law they didn't receive, but even just by what they were revealed to through general revelation in creation. This is Paul's point in Romans 1:18-20. If we look back at Ephesians 2, Paul says we're "by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." Meaning, all of manking (including China) are deserving of hell and are going there unless they're justified through faith in Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1).
clayhutchins 1 year ago
And lastly, the reason that hell is a proper punishment is because whenever anyone sins, they are committing an infinitely terrible crime. The seriousness of a crime is determined in part by the dignity or authoritative position of the one wronged - like if I punched a random guy versus punching the President. Since God is an infinitely glorious God, for us to sin against that God is to commit a crime worthy of infinite punishment. God's two responses are hell and the cross.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins With your theological bullshit, the smallest sin ,committed against a infinitely holy being deserves the most imaginable punishment. WHAT SILLY KINDERGARTEN NONSENSE, By the way. The cath, church in its lates theological statements has calimed that heaven and hell are NO REAL PLACES.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza Second, the beauty of God's love is not that he doesn't have wrath, but that he sent his Son so that whoever believes could escape it. The arsonist metaphor is inadequate because we actually deserve hell - while arson is always wrong. A more accurate metaphor is this: it's like someone who commits a terrible crime, of which he merits and deserves a punishment (a crime against an infinitely glorious God demands an infinite punishment), and the judge acquits him of that punishment.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@clayhutchins -- the beauty of God's love is not that he doesn't have wrath-- That is not love, that is called revenge. If you believe in hell, you believe that god is the worst tyrant ever,, Stalin, Hitler etc. killed their opponents, and that was the end. But this heavenly father tortures FOR ALL ETERNITY, not only his opponents , but even those who happen to not-believe in him. HOW LOVING, What a joke !!
tallliza 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this! I love this song! And I've heard samples of the Hillsong Chapel album...I didn't know there was a DVD with this though.
CassTechFrankie2011 1 year ago
i love this song...wow...:) God is gracious!!
graceteam 1 year ago
Amazing words, Amazing Father!
pediso0319 1 year ago
WOW, I really like this song very very much, nice moment of the day, thank you
musicroman 1 year ago