I think people should spend more time debating the fruits of spirit. Its ok to debate but only if you keep the love of God in your heart towards that person. And in most debates it only ends in name calling which isnt the holyghost.
True Bible believers accept many Preterist views. The rapture, anti-christ, and sign of the times are lies and myths and were created to fear monger people.
there are certain scriptures I agree with by preterists for example dan 9 24-27 is a prophecy refereing to CHRIST not antichrist as you futerists believe. But I am a historicist not a preterist. You lot have been falsely proclaiming we are 'at the doors' for at least the same time as Jehovahs witnesses.....you are no different to them.
Preterism is the truth, it's not heresy. it's best to take Jesus' word for it though... He spoke about His appearing being near, within a generation, to some standing in front of Him, the High Priest would see it, John would remain till He came, John the Baptist was the 'last days' Elijah, and the disciples wouldn't finish going thru the cities in Israel before His return. In Revelation he asserts He's coming quickly to the 7 churches in Asia, and all NT letters affirm it is imminent.
@Tracena22 BS! Jesus DID NOT return in 70 AD! Or any part of the 1st century AD! He may have said near, but on whose terms? GOD'S! PRETERISM IS FALSE AND HERETICAL! Historicism and futurism however, they stand pretty well. Especially historicism even though I have made videos trying to stand against it. The Ancient One indeed did pass judgment on the Little horn, right on time. The first five bowls is the rise of Napoleon's French armies.
@Danielezerable Easy there Daniel! Don't be so quick to label us 'heretics' just because you disagree. Galileo was a 'heretic' too in his day. I tried to prove preterism false myself once, and could not succeed in that attempt. Ask yourself, are the disciples still going thru Israel? Are some of the people standing in front of Jesus still alive? Jesus not only used imminent adverbs, He clearly stated His soon appearing in other ways and thru parables.1000 years is often symbolic, see Psa 50:10
@Tracena22 1. There were apostasies in the church when Jesus did NOT return! Galileo was labeled a heretic by the beast empire (in alliance with the false religious empire) in its evil reign from 538 to 1798 AD. The Catholic Church and the Papacy are John's antichrist. We must also remember, the antichrist arises in a time when people are FALLING from godliness. A MASS falling! There was not a MASS falling back then, therefore antichrist did not exist yet. Preterists are EVIL and all they do is
@Danielezerable Daniel, it's obvious you are defending your beliefs, and I respect that. But I am not an EVIL person, and preterists are not EVIL. We were futurists like you for most of our lives, and then came across Scripture that didn't fit with tradition. We chose to believe Scripture over tradition, whereas most people just want to make Scripture say what traditions teach. Re: mass falling away...you seem to love history, have you studied the Roman Jewish War and the Neronic persecutions?
@Tracena22 Yes, I have. We must also remember though that these were the signs which came to pass. There was great apostasy in the church when Jesus did NOT return. We must also remember that there was no king who would have uprooted three kings at that time. I used to agree with preterism for the most part. Then I started taking verse after verse out in order to find the truth. Eventually, I ended up becoming an historicist. I have never seen a doctrine more defended then that.
@Tracena22 try and steal my hope. 2. Historicism seems to be more accurate and that verse in Psalms 50:10 compares 1000 years to a day! Did the millenial reign last a day? And saying Jesus returned in 70AD is NOT defending the Bible! Prophesies are predictions of the FUTURE! Not the past. John wrote the book in 95 to 96AD. The Irenaeus quote proves that. Why would John be predicting the past? That's stupid! Preterists are EVIL! I hate preterism and I HATE those who teach it! They drain my hope!
@Danielezerable I'm crying here, I hate to think I'm stealing anyone's hope! I just see it as hope fulfilled. The early Christians' hope of glory is our present reality = Christ in us. With the 1000, I see it as a symbol of complete and total victory, not any specific length of time. Many say John wrote Revelation in the AD60s because of internal evidence in the letter. I will look at that site you gave, and look more into historicism, thank you for the iron sharpen iron, I admire your passion
@Tracena22 Ah, the internal evidence such as the temple. First, we have to know the Irenaeus quote. Second, we have to know that Revelation 11 is a vison and a vision does not imply the temple still stands. (Ezekiel 40-43 has a similar vison and it was written AFTER the old temple was destroyed. A fact preterists agree upon.) Third, John was in captivity, hence, would not even be allowed in Jerusalem at the time. Hence, internal evidence falls apart quickly.
@Danielezerable Good points to discuss, but what do you do with the time statements? Can 'quickly, shortly, and soon' mean 2 millennia to the 7 churches in Asia? Can the 'last hour' really be that long, if the 'time is shortened' and He was 'about to come' in the 1st century? If He told Peter He wanted John to remain, and John was the only disciple remaining in AD70, how do you not put that together and say, "He must have come, and our concept of the nature of His appearing must be wrong?
@Tracena22 On this point, though, I must admit, that for the early Christians, it was indeed written to give them hope. Historicist Albert Barnes sees the rider on the white horse (First seal) as a temprorary end to persecution.
@Tracena22 Of course, I'll have to make more videos when I get more time in order to teach historicism. So, my other videos I made regarding Revelation, they may be Biblically adequate, however, they are nothing but lunacies in a desperate effort to have historicists on Youtube answer my questions. And now, I have had some of my biggest questions answered and am pretty sure on a lot of them. My next video, when it comes out I will try to title something like "Babylon the Great".
@Shannybrook Oh, my friend. This means that in this age, Christians have no possible way to be delivered from the impending terror. Furthermore, the early Christians preached that Christ's coming was STILL FUTURE! I go SOLELY based on what the Bible teaches. Preterism ain't what it teaches.
@Danielezerable Revelation was wrote in 65-66 AD. Revelation 11:2 refers to the temple in the "holy city" that the Gentiles would tread underfoot for 42 months. The holy city was Jerusalem. For Biblical references to Jerusalem as the "holy city" see Isaiah 52:1 and Nehemiah 11:1. The reference to the Herod's temple shows the temple was still standing at the time John wrote Revelation. Historically we all know the temple was destroyed in 70AD, thus Revelation was wrote prior to 70AD
@Shannybrook "Revelation was wrote in 65-66 AD." 1. Bad grammar, my friend. 2. Wrong piece of historic information.
You should note that Ezekiel had a very similar vision of a temple in Jerusalem. It is fact that preterists like you would agree that Ezekiel had that vision when there was NO temple there. :) lol! Furthermore, Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp who was a student of JOHN HIMSELF, testifies the book was written in LATE DOMITIANIC REIGN! You are the liar my friend.
@Tracena22 The False Prophet is no doubt the USA. I'm inclined to say that saying that the millenial reign already happened or is not going to happen or that Jerusalem is the harlot is HERETICAL! If there is no millenial reign or it happened before John prophesied, it would make him a FALSE PROPHET! Preterism is FALSE! It's the truth, get OVER IT!
@Tracena22 Let's not forget that Jesus entrusted John to write His revelation down. One of the biggest misconceptions about the book of Revelation is that it was John's Revelation. It was Jesus's Revelation. Also, God works in mysterious ways sometimes. Let's also not forget Revelation 4:1 Then as I looked, I saw a door standing open in heaven, and the same voice I had heard before spoke to me like a trumpet blast. The voice said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.”
@Tracena22 Thus, eventually taking us to the seals, the trumpets, the beasts, two witnesses, the judgments, the religious empire of Babylon the Great, the destruction of this great false church, the overthrow of the false prophet and the beast.
@Tracena22 Again, last hour, but on whose timeing? God's. You keep forgetting that. I have tried hard to fight historicism until I finally had to embrace it as truth.
@Danielezerable If you say "God's time" then the adverbs He gave to inspired writers mean absolutely nothing. He is outside of time, as you know, so He communicates to us in terms we experience and understand. That's why He told Daniel to SEAL his vision, where He told John not to. Daniels' was "not near" whereas John's was "at hand." See Can God Tell Time Dot Com.
@Shannybrook You and every SINGLE PRETERIST is EVIL!!! You are servants of the synagogue of Satan as I used to be as a futurist! YOU are protecting the TRUE AND REAL ANTICHRIST! The seed of the Devil himself sits in the Vatican. JESUIT!
@Danielezerable In another one your rants you state that God's people are to raise each other up. By your own definition you are not one of God's people. I do not see you raising anybody up here. All I see is you viciously attacking anyone who opposes you in a most vile and contemptous manner. You are obviously ruled by your emotions. Those emotions act as a stumbling block to keep you from logiclaly examining the evidence before you.
@Danielezerable Thank you for proving my point that you are ruled by your emotions :) I will happily be called a Preterist, though I deny being in the ranks of Hitler.
@Shannybrook You know what? You are a sick, perverted, evil, preterist! I HATE PRETERISTS! GOD WILL BURN YOU ALL IN HELL FOR PREACHING IT!!! Now, are you going to fall down on your knees and repent of your tyranny, evil preterist?!?
@bradsland Yehshua got angry when they defiled Yahweh's sacred house so, likewise, I get angry when Satanists like you defile the sacred scripture that Yehshua made for Yahweh.
@Shannybrook If not, then I will hand you over to Satan (yep, the guy who is supposedly locked up or burning in the Lake of Fire according to you) and he will hopefully teach you a lesson or two.
@Shannybrook hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...God won't stand you draining another believer's hope like that. Quite the oppisite. Antichrist protector! Rome SUPPORTER! You, not me, is the heretic! I notice you haven't even come up with one counter against the video.
@Shannybrook Until you can successfully counter the whole video (guess what? no one ever will) then I suggest you remain silent. If you open your mouth one more time against my "heresy" for exposing preterism as an evil SATANIC DOCTRINE, then understand, you are under God's wrath. Peace.
@Danielezerable LOL....Thus far, I haven't watched your video. I hate wasting my time, which based upon your comments your video is sure to be. I did get sucked into the conversation regarding your video becuase your rantings are so ludicrous, and I had to see what all the talk was about and found it difficult to hold my tongue in response to your hate mongering. By the way I took the liberty of disliking your video without watching it.
@Tracena22 Preterists commit blasphemy and STEAL my HOPE! I HATE preterism and I HATE PRETERISTS! Stop trying to SNATCH ALL OF MY HOPE! Jesus said that He did NOT know when He would return. By setting up His return date as past, preterists CLAIM TO KNOW when He returned and when He came back! (Matt. 24:36) and (Mark 13:32) BLASPHEMING, HOPE-STEALING, EVIL PRETERIST!!! BE GONE!!!
John was prophesying about things "at hand" AND "about to be". The fact that you would respond with "BS" shows you are way out of your league and you shouldn't be doing this debate thing. Only your anger and confusion makes Jesus/John "false prophets". Thanks for Webster... I'll stick with what's written:
REVELATION 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is NOW AND what will take place LATER."
@Danielezerable Why are you so surprised that John prophesied things that had ALREADY HAPPENED?!? Read Rev 1:1, 1:3, 3:11, 6: 22:6, 22:12, 22:20. We should be more surprised if it HADN'T happened, based on these verses, and Deut. 18:22 would make JESUS a false prophet if He did not return within the time frame He and NT authors declared. Do you believe Luke 21:20-22? What was the sign given to His disciples that would herald the fulfillment of all that had been written? .
Again, we need to know God's plans for Jerusalem in comparison to the harlot. We also need to ask why she is not wearing blue. According to Exodus 38 or 39 (?) Levitical priests wore blue. god's plans for Jerusalem, (Zech 12:3) make her invincible! God's plan for the harlot, (Rev. 17:16) destroy her. That the Whore is NOT Jerusalem is complete, IRREFUTABLE FACT! I need to get things done now and cannot talk any more but you are unfortunately out-argued here. Sorry.
The Church is the New Jerusalem which is invincible and irreplacable. God called the Jews "prostitutes" to other gods all throughout the Old Testament. Hosea is the easiest prooftext as well as the end of Deut. where Moses' departing message to the Jews was that they would enter the land and then be destroyed for "prostituting" with other gods and against the Covenant. Read Galatians 4:19ff. This is simple stuff.
@RenewalOfAllThings WRONG! Titus was the tenth emperor. Domitian was the eleventh. A fact that ALL historians agree upon. Julius Caesar was during the Roman Republic so you cannot start the emperor count with him :)!
No. Titus was the 11th emperor and/or the 8th, again, depending on if you count Otho, Galba and Vitellius. Julius Caesar was the first Emperor. You can get "technical" and say he was a dictator (which all Emperors are dictators so its an exaggerated-argument) but he wasn't even the first to do that. Ever heard of Marius and Sulla? However, Julius - Nero were CAESARS (Sea Beast) and Titus/Vespasian were Flavians (Eath Beast). Two family lines that warred agaisnt the Jews.
@RenewalOfAllThings No. Historians degree that Julius Caesar was NOT the first emperor. The empire started with Augustus. Let's not forget why the beast John saw was and is no longer. Again, Revelation 17:13 CLEARLY states the ten horns give power to the beast. Who made you sole intepreter?!? You know why I hate "sole interpreters"? Because THEY KILL CHRISTIANS! It happened in 538AD to 1798AD. The Beast is the brutality of the Papacy. Revelation 17 describes the Papacy coming back to power in th
Julius Caesar was the end of the Republic. He was a Caesar (by name) and Caesar then became synonymous with Emperor/imperator/deity. Yes, he was the father of the Caesar Beast and Nero was the last (wounded head) that was restored by the Flavians after the uprooted horns (Otho, Galba, Vitellius) left no heir or name nor received the name of Caesar. The rest of your rant is borderline psychotic. I have better things to do than dignify what you've now made this into. Bye.
@RenewalOfAllThings e end BEFORE it excahnges its Religious Empire (yes, I can show why Babylon the Great is a religious empire if you want) for a ten kingdom empire that has agreed to give it power. Satan is loose! One of his biggest deceptions is that he is locked up or burning in the lake of fire. If Satan was defeated than I hate ALL christians (especially the Catholic church in the dark ages) and I hate God and guess what? I probably can defeat this POWERLESS GOD! Yep! Preterists do not say
@RenewalOfAllThings evil will be destroyed, thus draining all my hope, thus making me say ALL PRETERISTS ARE EVIL AND IN REALITY THEY WORSHIP SATAN!!!
@RenewalOfAllThings Pray for my soul if you want. I am trying to defend the Bible and the hope it has to offer. You are trying to drag it down as well as me. I do NOT want your prayers and I pray that ALL of your prayers for me will go unheard. I HATE PRETERISTS! Both partial and full.
@Danielezerable You fail to understand the essence of Biblical hope. The hope read about in the Bible would best be defined using the archaic definition: To place trust; rely (usually followed by in). The hope of early Christians was in Christ's second coming & resurrection; righteousness, salvation, and eternal life. Early Christians put their hope, and thus their trust in God to keep His promises. God kept His promise and Christians in this age possess the blessed hope of early Christians.
@RenewalOfAllThings You EVIL HOPE STEALER! John was predicting the future. Irenaeus claims the book was written in Domitianic time. When Jesus was referring to this generation he was referring to the generation that saw ALL things! another way to look at it is that ALL things means ALL signs! Why the apostasy in the church when Jesus did NOT come back?!? That's a load of BS that Julius was the first emperor. He was trying to form a REPUBLIC! Augustus was the first emperor. The church is not the
@RenewalOfAllThings New Jerusalem. Where is our king? Why are we not reigning forever? Why were so many Christians abused by the REAL beast in the dark ages? If you want to understand revelation, go to revelationbibleprophecyDOTorg and teachingheartsDOTorg. Also, let's have a look at the Nazi preterists who killed 6 million Jews. Preterism spawns hopelessness and anti-semitism. You think you are God's but I can see your heart...JERK!
Again, you still need to find a better way to contend against the proof I have offered such as the guy who ain't pulling fire down from the sky and such.
I don't believe that Domitian was the Antichrist. And right now, most of the stuff (except the ones where I speak against the preterist heresy) I post about Revelation I'm not sure I believe anymore. It seems John was writing about the downfall and comeback and downfall and comeback until Jesus finally destroys Rome in the last days.
@RenewalOfAllThings You said it in Revelation 17:13! "they have one purpose and will give POWER and AUTHORITY to the beast. Remember, this beast had received INITIAL power in Revelation 13 for the 42 month reign but was locked up, and imprisoned in Revelation13:10. In the last days, it will come back to power and the ten will give POWER and AUTHORITY as made CERTAIN in Revelation 17:13. You should cut out verses when trying to make a point. I read the fine print ;)
Ok now I see why you're confused... at least to an extent. The way you phrase and narrarate Scripture is very deceptive. You see 2 words you are familiar with and you run with it. Lets look at what the passage actually says: (cont...)
Daniele states: "You should cut out verses when trying to make a point. I read the fine print ;)" Look, if anyone has the authority here to say things like this, it is demonstrably I. I corrected your video on each point because you demonstrably do not read much of anything but into texts. The same beast that received authority from the Dragon in 13 is the same as 17. 5 of its heads have fallen, these heads are not the same as the horns, obviously. You are comparing apples to oranges.
@RenewalOfAllThings I'd also LOVE to see Josephus record things about a guy bringing fire down from the sky (Rev. 13:13). Or these strange guys that seem to breathe fire in Revelation 11.
Josephus does write about these things. He writes about a star in the shape of a sword that stood over Jerusalem for a whole year during the invasion of the Romans. He writes about the Jews AND Romans witnessing in plain daylight, angels on chariots in the clouds over Jerusalem. He also writes about false prophets and many omens/signs against Jerusalem that the Jews took as good signs instead, only to secure their demise. Its there, you just have to go read it, Daniele.
@RenewalOfAllThings Irenaeus clearly states it was written in DOMITIANIC REIGN! You can disagree otherwise, but his peers did not. He may have identified the other 666's but you have to understand that if John was writing directly about a Roman emperor, he would have put his own life in danger. That is why the book had to be written in code that only Christians can understand. Don't go bother praying for my soul just because I know for fact that full preterism is HERESY!
Irenaeus lived 50 years after the fall of Jerusalem. He was not a witness to Domitian. We do have a witness of Domitian, however, and his name was Suetonius and he wrote about Domitian AND Nero. Funny how the same ancient historians wrote about the Christian sufferings under Nero would mysteriously omit them about Domitian, skipping over him until Decius (e.g.) and Diocletian? USE you brain. HISTORY DOES NOT SHOW DOMITIAN TO PERSECUTE CHRISTIANS.
@RenewalOfAllThings Don't go bother praying for my soul. You were unable to answer certain questions. It clearly shows that you cannot stand up completely for preterism. the three of the ten need to be reigning at the SAME TIME uprooted by the SAME HORN which you say is Titus. If Titus did not do this, your argument FALLS APART! And Titus did NOT reign for three and a half years!
You need prayer, you're obviously an emotional mess and you don't even really love God because you hate his people. I've answered all of your questions. In fact, I addressed every single last statement in your video. I took it upon myself to do this. Nowhere do kings reign "at the same time". You invented this narrative because you don't read things through. It says "five have fallen" which means they didn't "reign at the same time". This is logically absurd.
@RenewalOfAllThings Also, show me some evidence that Satan is bound in chains or burning in the Lake of Fire or that Jesus has returned. Explain the apostasies in the church when Jesus DID NOT RETURN in 70AD!
This is the typical "tantrum" I get once I've refuted a silly video by a spiritually poor Christian. Now instead of you admitting I've bested your attempts, you want me to explain everything that's above your head in 10 seconds and 1 text box. However, since I actually love the word of God, I'll follow your tangents. Satan was bound because Jesus said he bound him when he cast out demons. Jesus returned in 70 AD - within that generation - like he promised. :)
@RenewalOfAllThings This is where I get to show how spiritually poor you are: 2 Cor. 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. 1 Peter 5:8 Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
That Satan was NOT bound in chains during Jesus's reign on earth is something Paul and Peter (a disciple of Jesus) did not believe.
"God of THIS world" = The "This world" was the world between 30-70 AD. Satan is now defeated no matter how much you choose to disbelieve it. They were to stay alert until 70 AD, when Jerusalem was destroyed. There was nothing to "stay alert" of after that. Satan was "bound" - not "literally tied up somewhere". It meant he stripped of a certain authority he had over disease, death, governments, etc. He offered Jesus the world but then Jesus bound him and looted him of it.
@RenewalOfAllThings I don't want prayers from you! I'd rather ask someone who is TRYING to give me hope! Someone who KNOWS ME! Daniel 7 indicates the ten horns ARE on the beast ruling OVER the kingdom. Verse 24 Its ten horns are ten kings who will rule that empire. Then another king will arise, different from the other ten, who will subdue three of them.
Revelation 17:13 shows the ten horns will GIVE POWER AND AUTHORITY!
Really? Jesus and Paul were both heretics. They both said ALL prophecy would be fulfilled within that Generation from 30-70 AD. And by the way, nice job "exposing" me. I guess slandering me is your way of loving God by loving his people. No, I think Jesus would have a heart-to-heart with you about your ego and your venting of frustration on people who can exceed your expectations. Wasn't Jesus also called a heretic? They killed him for it. Think.
@RenewalOfAllThings It is quite obvious we are NOT living in the promised millenial reign. Where am I referencing the Didache? Irenaeus wrote the quote in his book "AGAINST Heresies", hence, preterism!
I don't believe we are living in the "Millennial Reign". That was from 30-70 AD while God gave them miracles to confirm the message of the Gospel; both the message of forgiveness and condemnation. Salvation for those who follow Jesus out of spiritual Egypt/Sodom/Hagar (Gal 4:19ff) and into all the world that Jesus redeemed by his sacrifice for thsoe who love him. Condemnation for those who wanted to remain under the Law for the Law could not be kept by anyone but Jesus.
Add me to your preterist list of people for you to hate. I'll pray for that spirit and mind of yours instead of try to trash them like you want to do to others. God bless in Jesus Christ.
@RenewalOfAllThings God's people aren't full preterists who are trying to drain every ounce of hope I once dearly held. God's people look for ways to build each other up, not tear each other down by saying things like "everything happened in the 1st century AD". In my current status, I will get VERY angry at any preterist trying to drain away hope that I DEARLY need at this moment. That is all that preterists do. They are my biggest enemies. Not futurists or historicists.
Daniele states: "not tear each other down by saying things like "everything happened in the 1st century AD". How is saying that I believe prophecy was fulfilled is "draining" and "tearing" you down? Your video is nothing tearing people down. You even visited my video first, and left a nasty comment about me being added to your "preterist heretic list". You did this unprovoked and unwarranted. You have simply been exposed as false and its worse because you're rude.
@Danielezerable Preterism is not about draining hope. Preterism is about having fulfilled hope and redemption. If God's people look for ways to build each other up, why then are you tearing down anyone who disagrees with you in a most vile and hateful way? By your own definition you are not one of God's people. Moreover, how does acknowledging that everything happened in the 1st century tear you or anyone alse down or steal your hope?
Now you are appealing to the Didache, which ironically is non-canonized and considered to be "heretical" itself. So let me gather this situation properly: You are using "heretical" literature in order to try to combat preterism, which you personally consider to be "heretical"... Something is VERY wrong here. However, the Didache contraticts the NT that says the "last days" and "the end of all things" were among THEIR GENERATION (30-70 AD) (Heb 1:2, 1Pet 4:7, etc)
That's very emotional of you. However, it is not rational nor factual. Try again. Try comparing me to Hitler. Oh, wait, you've already sunk that low, haven't you? How about the fact that you're so trashy to Christians who are obviously correcting you is the biggest "f-off to God" you could show him? Isn't love for God to love his people? Take a look at yourself.
@RenewalOfAllThings Titus would not have been the eleventh in a line of emperors. Many people at the time believed Domitian to be a spiritual embodiment of Nero. They see that as the fatal wound healed. Unless you can show me with MORE proof as to when the book was written and how Titus fits the description of Antichrist PERFECTLY, you will LOSE as every other preterist will fall before me. furthermore, Jerusalem is not the Whore of Babylon because God said she would be indestructible (Zech. 12:
People believed everyone was an embodiment of Nero. It was a phenomena known as Nero Redivivus and they saw "Nero" in things and people back then like people of today see the Virgin Mary in an oil slick or Elvis at the grocery store... Get your facts straight.
The fatal wounded head was Nero/Vespasian. It was wounded during Otho, Galba and Vitellius (Year of the Four Emperors) when the "horns" were "uprooted". Vespasian healed it through the State (please read Suetonius' account of Vespasian) and army and then headed to Egypt and sent Titus to finish his own work in Jerusalem - continuing the War via Rome which was "wounded" after the suicide of Nero.
Titus fits perfectly in that he is botht he 11th and the 8th emperor of Rome, depending on whether or not you count Galbo, Otho and Vitellius, the uprooted horns. God had always called Jerusalem a Whore when they were a whore. Read Hosea 1 for crying out loud, God had a prophet name his children "You Are Not My People and I am Not Your God" and "I will no longer show love to the house of Israel". If Jersualem were "indesctructable" then why was it destroyed twice by its enemeis? Judgment.
The Priesthood and the Pharisees were the Whore of Babylon. Those that pierced Jesus were part of that same whore - the lying whore and false prophet agaisnt Jesus Christ. They are the only viable option anyway to be the Whore, even without proof like Hosea and Deuteronomy calling future Israel the prostitute: (cont...)
Deuteronomy 31:15 "Then the LORD appeared at the Tent in a pillar of cloud, and the cloud stood over the entrance to the Tent. 16 And the LORD said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your fathers, and THSE PEOPLE WILL SOON PROSTITUTE THEMSELVES TO THE FOREIGN GODS of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them."
You beg about what "history" says about the fall of Jerusalem, now I turn it back on you and ask you for actual evidence that Domitian was a Christian-killer like Nero, Marcus Aurellius, Maximus, Decius, Diocletian, Valerian - of whom there is actual historical record of Christian persecution. Domitian, however, is exempt from the evidence which you just so happen to need to make your point here. I could complain about irony but there is no space in this text box. ;)
@RenewalOfAllThings The little horn in Daniel 7 that you believe to be Titus must uproot three kings. Who are these kings? Furthermore, the chapter also makes it fairly evident these ten are reigning at the same time. I'll give you credit for being able to respond. Most preterists are pretty stupid HOWEVER, the Irenaeus quote clearly shows that they would NOT be able to identify the Antichrist and that the book was written in Domitianic time. He was not contended on the date by the other three.
The three kings uprooted were Otho, Galba and Vitellius. Secular history records the time as "The Year of the Four Emperors" and its a matter of public history thas isn't a secret to anyone but people like you.
Daniele said: "Most preterists are pretty stupid HOWEVER," Well, you are a bad Christian, Daniele.
"the Irenaeus quote clearly shows that they would NOT be able to identify the Antichrist and that the book was written in Domitianic time. He was not contended on the date by the other three."
Wrong, Irenaeus identified "666" to be "LATEINOS", "TEITAN" or "EUANTHOS". You are simply a few steps behind. Now you know. :)
Pray tell, do you have any actual evidence that Domitian was some blood-thirsty tyrant against Christians? The evidence is simply not there, some of the church fathers erred in making guesses in hindsight. The evidence does show that, instead, Titus and Vespasian had hunted down the lineage of David to exterminate them in order to alleviate fears of another viable threat to their "deity" and authority on earth. Tacitus wrote that Titus/Vespasian believed they were fulfillment of Scripture too
I found it almost humorous that you would seek to quote Irenaeus since he did believe that "666" refered to the past (preterist) by the possible names of "LATEINOS", "TEITAN" or "EUANTHAS". Yet you say he didn't intend to throw names around? Do a little research first, then you won't have to kick and scream about "where do history books confirm this one, huh?!" :)
You then ask why "history books" don't record these "rivers of blood"? Perhaps you should read some history about 70 AD. Josephus wrote about the blood, the War and the curses on that city for 42 months and also wrote of Titus and the Romans beleiving that the Jews' god had given favor now to the Romans because the Romans had omens of victory and the Jews only omens of abandonment of God and the angels to those who did not leave the city as Jesus warned them to. 70 AD was not in a vaccuum.
Your next inaccuracy is saying that "Ten kings did not give Rome its power to destroy Jerusalem". The statement itself is misleading because it isn't actually what the bible says. The bible says that the DRAGON gave the beast its authority to make war. The Caesars were the heads/horns of the beast, not the source of its power, so you are in glaring error. The War began with Nero as king and ended with Vespasian - 4 emperors later. Titus was declared "god" in the Temple before they burned it
Then you say that Euphrates didn't literally dry up but the vision is spiritual as we all know by now... or should. The "Euphrates" drying up represents Gods' disfavor toward unfaithful Jerusalem's generation that killed Jesus and the apostles. This curse of unfaithfulness to the Covenant dealing with God using the creation itself against the Jews and in favor of their enemies is found in Leviticus 26:14ff. In fact, even Josephus records rivers drying up for Jews to drink from but not Romans.
I then see your next tactic is a wormy one in trying to slither your way around all signs and events taking place in THAT GENERATION and that the entire generation would not even be outlived until ALL events in Matt 24 spoke of. Its very simple. In fact, you didnt' even give an explanation in the video of what wasn't fulfilled, you just claimed preterists are wrong and "FAIL"... Moses' "generation" died in the desert except Joshua/Caleb as the symbol of 30-70 AD (1Cor 10:11)
I've decided to take you to task on your claims in your "anti-preterist" upload... Your first complaint 1) is that "shortly" doesn't actually mean "shortly" based on Haggai 2:6 and you then baselessly assert that it has not been fulfilled based on Heb 10:25. REALITY: The prophecy of Haggai that would "soon" come to pass about the shaking of the nations DID come to pass IN THE SAME CHAPTER OF HAGGAI as you referenced. Read Haggai 2:20-23, its as plain as day:
Haggai 2:23 “‘On that day,’ declares the LORD Almighty, ‘I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,’ declares the LORD Almighty.”
^ So you are demonstrably incorrect in your assertions about "shortly" and "soon" within prophetic language. The entire chapter and following one are about the restoration of Israel which started by Cyrus and it was "soon"...
Thank you for the word of mouth, Daniele! Please visit my videos to escape modern day false prophets and false prophetesses who have you under the magic spell and fear mongering of "the end of the world". God bless New Jerusalem, the Bride and Body of Jesus - the church which is the Lord's portion in his Son. :)
@RenewalOfAllThings You are the one who is a false prophet. If you saw the whole video, you would realize how despicable and heretical your doctrine of preterism is. Where is Jesus? Why is Satan not bound in chains? You are also going to have to answer ALL of the questions I posed in the video.
@RenewalOfAllThings Revelation 17:12-13 The ten horns of the beast are ten kings who have not yet risen to power. They will be appointed to their kingdoms for one brief moment to reign with the beast. They will all agree to give him their power and authority.
WRONG Revelation 13:1 "And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. THE DRAGON GAVE THE BEAST HIS POWER AND HIS THRONE AND GREAT AUTHORITY."
You are wrong, the Dragon gives the beast/horns the power and authority. This is inescapable.
Rev 17:12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will RECEIVE AUTHORITY AS KINGS ALONG WITH THE BEAST. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” - Same as Chapter 13, the horns RECEIVE it.
Hag 2:20 The word of the LORD came to Haggai a second time on the twenty-fourth day of the month: 21 “Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I WILLSHAKE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. ... 23 “‘ON THAT DAY,’ declares the LORD Almighty, ‘I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,’ declares the LORD Almighty.”
I think people should spend more time debating the fruits of spirit. Its ok to debate but only if you keep the love of God in your heart towards that person. And in most debates it only ends in name calling which isnt the holyghost.
2005kandc 1 month ago
Raptures, anti-christs, and sign of the times are christian sci-fi and totally against reality.
hortulanus94 2 months ago
True Bible believers accept many Preterist views. The rapture, anti-christ, and sign of the times are lies and myths and were created to fear monger people.
hortulanus94 2 months ago
I think this video is heresy. xD
DrMadolite 2 months ago
there are certain scriptures I agree with by preterists for example dan 9 24-27 is a prophecy refereing to CHRIST not antichrist as you futerists believe. But I am a historicist not a preterist. You lot have been falsely proclaiming we are 'at the doors' for at least the same time as Jehovahs witnesses.....you are no different to them.
bradsland 5 months ago
@bradsland I am an historicist. Ever seen my videos?
Danielezerable 5 months ago
Preterism is the truth, it's not heresy. it's best to take Jesus' word for it though... He spoke about His appearing being near, within a generation, to some standing in front of Him, the High Priest would see it, John would remain till He came, John the Baptist was the 'last days' Elijah, and the disciples wouldn't finish going thru the cities in Israel before His return. In Revelation he asserts He's coming quickly to the 7 churches in Asia, and all NT letters affirm it is imminent.
Tracena22 7 months ago
@Tracena22 BS! Jesus DID NOT return in 70 AD! Or any part of the 1st century AD! He may have said near, but on whose terms? GOD'S! PRETERISM IS FALSE AND HERETICAL! Historicism and futurism however, they stand pretty well. Especially historicism even though I have made videos trying to stand against it. The Ancient One indeed did pass judgment on the Little horn, right on time. The first five bowls is the rise of Napoleon's French armies.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Easy there Daniel! Don't be so quick to label us 'heretics' just because you disagree. Galileo was a 'heretic' too in his day. I tried to prove preterism false myself once, and could not succeed in that attempt. Ask yourself, are the disciples still going thru Israel? Are some of the people standing in front of Jesus still alive? Jesus not only used imminent adverbs, He clearly stated His soon appearing in other ways and thru parables.1000 years is often symbolic, see Psa 50:10
Tracena22 7 months ago
@Tracena22 1. There were apostasies in the church when Jesus did NOT return! Galileo was labeled a heretic by the beast empire (in alliance with the false religious empire) in its evil reign from 538 to 1798 AD. The Catholic Church and the Papacy are John's antichrist. We must also remember, the antichrist arises in a time when people are FALLING from godliness. A MASS falling! There was not a MASS falling back then, therefore antichrist did not exist yet. Preterists are EVIL and all they do is
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Daniel, it's obvious you are defending your beliefs, and I respect that. But I am not an EVIL person, and preterists are not EVIL. We were futurists like you for most of our lives, and then came across Scripture that didn't fit with tradition. We chose to believe Scripture over tradition, whereas most people just want to make Scripture say what traditions teach. Re: mass falling away...you seem to love history, have you studied the Roman Jewish War and the Neronic persecutions?
Tracena22 7 months ago
@Tracena22 Yes, I have. We must also remember though that these were the signs which came to pass. There was great apostasy in the church when Jesus did NOT return. We must also remember that there was no king who would have uprooted three kings at that time. I used to agree with preterism for the most part. Then I started taking verse after verse out in order to find the truth. Eventually, I ended up becoming an historicist. I have never seen a doctrine more defended then that.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 This is a WONDEFUL site I found: preterist-preterismDOTcom. Take out the dot and replace it with a "."
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 try and steal my hope. 2. Historicism seems to be more accurate and that verse in Psalms 50:10 compares 1000 years to a day! Did the millenial reign last a day? And saying Jesus returned in 70AD is NOT defending the Bible! Prophesies are predictions of the FUTURE! Not the past. John wrote the book in 95 to 96AD. The Irenaeus quote proves that. Why would John be predicting the past? That's stupid! Preterists are EVIL! I hate preterism and I HATE those who teach it! They drain my hope!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable I'm crying here, I hate to think I'm stealing anyone's hope! I just see it as hope fulfilled. The early Christians' hope of glory is our present reality = Christ in us. With the 1000, I see it as a symbol of complete and total victory, not any specific length of time. Many say John wrote Revelation in the AD60s because of internal evidence in the letter. I will look at that site you gave, and look more into historicism, thank you for the iron sharpen iron, I admire your passion
Tracena22 7 months ago
@Tracena22 Ah, the internal evidence such as the temple. First, we have to know the Irenaeus quote. Second, we have to know that Revelation 11 is a vison and a vision does not imply the temple still stands. (Ezekiel 40-43 has a similar vison and it was written AFTER the old temple was destroyed. A fact preterists agree upon.) Third, John was in captivity, hence, would not even be allowed in Jerusalem at the time. Hence, internal evidence falls apart quickly.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Good points to discuss, but what do you do with the time statements? Can 'quickly, shortly, and soon' mean 2 millennia to the 7 churches in Asia? Can the 'last hour' really be that long, if the 'time is shortened' and He was 'about to come' in the 1st century? If He told Peter He wanted John to remain, and John was the only disciple remaining in AD70, how do you not put that together and say, "He must have come, and our concept of the nature of His appearing must be wrong?
Tracena22 7 months ago
@Tracena22 On this point, though, I must admit, that for the early Christians, it was indeed written to give them hope. Historicist Albert Barnes sees the rider on the white horse (First seal) as a temprorary end to persecution.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 Of course, I'll have to make more videos when I get more time in order to teach historicism. So, my other videos I made regarding Revelation, they may be Biblically adequate, however, they are nothing but lunacies in a desperate effort to have historicists on Youtube answer my questions. And now, I have had some of my biggest questions answered and am pretty sure on a lot of them. My next video, when it comes out I will try to title something like "Babylon the Great".
Danielezerable 7 months ago
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Shannybrook 7 months ago
@Shannybrook Oh, my friend. This means that in this age, Christians have no possible way to be delivered from the impending terror. Furthermore, the early Christians preached that Christ's coming was STILL FUTURE! I go SOLELY based on what the Bible teaches. Preterism ain't what it teaches.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Revelation was wrote in 65-66 AD. Revelation 11:2 refers to the temple in the "holy city" that the Gentiles would tread underfoot for 42 months. The holy city was Jerusalem. For Biblical references to Jerusalem as the "holy city" see Isaiah 52:1 and Nehemiah 11:1. The reference to the Herod's temple shows the temple was still standing at the time John wrote Revelation. Historically we all know the temple was destroyed in 70AD, thus Revelation was wrote prior to 70AD
Shannybrook 7 months ago
@Shannybrook "Revelation was wrote in 65-66 AD." 1. Bad grammar, my friend. 2. Wrong piece of historic information.
You should note that Ezekiel had a very similar vision of a temple in Jerusalem. It is fact that preterists like you would agree that Ezekiel had that vision when there was NO temple there. :) lol! Furthermore, Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp who was a student of JOHN HIMSELF, testifies the book was written in LATE DOMITIANIC REIGN! You are the liar my friend.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 The False Prophet is no doubt the USA. I'm inclined to say that saying that the millenial reign already happened or is not going to happen or that Jerusalem is the harlot is HERETICAL! If there is no millenial reign or it happened before John prophesied, it would make him a FALSE PROPHET! Preterism is FALSE! It's the truth, get OVER IT!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 Let's not forget that Jesus entrusted John to write His revelation down. One of the biggest misconceptions about the book of Revelation is that it was John's Revelation. It was Jesus's Revelation. Also, God works in mysterious ways sometimes. Let's also not forget Revelation 4:1 Then as I looked, I saw a door standing open in heaven, and the same voice I had heard before spoke to me like a trumpet blast. The voice said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.”
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 Thus, eventually taking us to the seals, the trumpets, the beasts, two witnesses, the judgments, the religious empire of Babylon the Great, the destruction of this great false church, the overthrow of the false prophet and the beast.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 Again, last hour, but on whose timeing? God's. You keep forgetting that. I have tried hard to fight historicism until I finally had to embrace it as truth.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable If you say "God's time" then the adverbs He gave to inspired writers mean absolutely nothing. He is outside of time, as you know, so He communicates to us in terms we experience and understand. That's why He told Daniel to SEAL his vision, where He told John not to. Daniels' was "not near" whereas John's was "at hand." See Can God Tell Time Dot Com.
Tracena22 7 months ago
@Tracena22 GOD'S TIME! SHORTLY TO THE LORD IS 1000 YEARS! cangodtelltimeDOTcom is garbage, it is hogwash and it is DEVILISH!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Shannybrook You and every SINGLE PRETERIST is EVIL!!! You are servants of the synagogue of Satan as I used to be as a futurist! YOU are protecting the TRUE AND REAL ANTICHRIST! The seed of the Devil himself sits in the Vatican. JESUIT!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable In another one your rants you state that God's people are to raise each other up. By your own definition you are not one of God's people. I do not see you raising anybody up here. All I see is you viciously attacking anyone who opposes you in a most vile and contemptous manner. You are obviously ruled by your emotions. Those emotions act as a stumbling block to keep you from logiclaly examining the evidence before you.
Shannybrook 7 months ago
@Shannybrook Perhaps you want to join the ranks of Hitler on the Preterist list :)
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Thank you for proving my point that you are ruled by your emotions :) I will happily be called a Preterist, though I deny being in the ranks of Hitler.
Shannybrook 7 months ago
@Shannybrook You know what? You are a sick, perverted, evil, preterist! I HATE PRETERISTS! GOD WILL BURN YOU ALL IN HELL FOR PREACHING IT!!! Now, are you going to fall down on your knees and repent of your tyranny, evil preterist?!?
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable you sound like a ranting muslim , what happened to love?
bradsland 5 months ago
@bradsland I'm not about being liked
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@bradsland Yehshua got angry when they defiled Yahweh's sacred house so, likewise, I get angry when Satanists like you defile the sacred scripture that Yehshua made for Yahweh.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Shannybrook If not, then I will hand you over to Satan (yep, the guy who is supposedly locked up or burning in the Lake of Fire according to you) and he will hopefully teach you a lesson or two.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....your flipping hilarious.
Shannybrook 7 months ago
@Shannybrook hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...God won't stand you draining another believer's hope like that. Quite the oppisite. Antichrist protector! Rome SUPPORTER! You, not me, is the heretic! I notice you haven't even come up with one counter against the video.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Shannybrook Until you can successfully counter the whole video (guess what? no one ever will) then I suggest you remain silent. If you open your mouth one more time against my "heresy" for exposing preterism as an evil SATANIC DOCTRINE, then understand, you are under God's wrath. Peace.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable LOL....Thus far, I haven't watched your video. I hate wasting my time, which based upon your comments your video is sure to be. I did get sucked into the conversation regarding your video becuase your rantings are so ludicrous, and I had to see what all the talk was about and found it difficult to hold my tongue in response to your hate mongering. By the way I took the liberty of disliking your video without watching it.
Shannybrook 7 months ago
And God will show the preterists who is REALLY in control!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Tracena22 Preterists commit blasphemy and STEAL my HOPE! I HATE preterism and I HATE PRETERISTS! Stop trying to SNATCH ALL OF MY HOPE! Jesus said that He did NOT know when He would return. By setting up His return date as past, preterists CLAIM TO KNOW when He returned and when He came back! (Matt. 24:36) and (Mark 13:32) BLASPHEMING, HOPE-STEALING, EVIL PRETERIST!!! BE GONE!!!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings
"That was from 30AD to 70AD."
WHAT?!? So John prophesied things that had ALREADY HAPPENED?!?
BS!
If we are not in the Millenial Reign (or there is none) that would make BOTH John and Jesus FALSE PROPHETS!
Let me give you Webster's definition of prophecy: a prediction of something to come
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
John was prophesying about things "at hand" AND "about to be". The fact that you would respond with "BS" shows you are way out of your league and you shouldn't be doing this debate thing. Only your anger and confusion makes Jesus/John "false prophets". Thanks for Webster... I'll stick with what's written:
REVELATION 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is NOW AND what will take place LATER."
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Why are you so surprised that John prophesied things that had ALREADY HAPPENED?!? Read Rev 1:1, 1:3, 3:11, 6: 22:6, 22:12, 22:20. We should be more surprised if it HADN'T happened, based on these verses, and Deut. 18:22 would make JESUS a false prophet if He did not return within the time frame He and NT authors declared. Do you believe Luke 21:20-22? What was the sign given to His disciples that would herald the fulfillment of all that had been written? .
Tracena22 7 months ago
Again, we need to know God's plans for Jerusalem in comparison to the harlot. We also need to ask why she is not wearing blue. According to Exodus 38 or 39 (?) Levitical priests wore blue. god's plans for Jerusalem, (Zech 12:3) make her invincible! God's plan for the harlot, (Rev. 17:16) destroy her. That the Whore is NOT Jerusalem is complete, IRREFUTABLE FACT! I need to get things done now and cannot talk any more but you are unfortunately out-argued here. Sorry.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
The Church is the New Jerusalem which is invincible and irreplacable. God called the Jews "prostitutes" to other gods all throughout the Old Testament. Hosea is the easiest prooftext as well as the end of Deut. where Moses' departing message to the Jews was that they would enter the land and then be destroyed for "prostituting" with other gods and against the Covenant. Read Galatians 4:19ff. This is simple stuff.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings WRONG! Titus was the tenth emperor. Domitian was the eleventh. A fact that ALL historians agree upon. Julius Caesar was during the Roman Republic so you cannot start the emperor count with him :)!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
No. Titus was the 11th emperor and/or the 8th, again, depending on if you count Otho, Galba and Vitellius. Julius Caesar was the first Emperor. You can get "technical" and say he was a dictator (which all Emperors are dictators so its an exaggerated-argument) but he wasn't even the first to do that. Ever heard of Marius and Sulla? However, Julius - Nero were CAESARS (Sea Beast) and Titus/Vespasian were Flavians (Eath Beast). Two family lines that warred agaisnt the Jews.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings No. Historians degree that Julius Caesar was NOT the first emperor. The empire started with Augustus. Let's not forget why the beast John saw was and is no longer. Again, Revelation 17:13 CLEARLY states the ten horns give power to the beast. Who made you sole intepreter?!? You know why I hate "sole interpreters"? Because THEY KILL CHRISTIANS! It happened in 538AD to 1798AD. The Beast is the brutality of the Papacy. Revelation 17 describes the Papacy coming back to power in th
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
Julius Caesar was the end of the Republic. He was a Caesar (by name) and Caesar then became synonymous with Emperor/imperator/deity. Yes, he was the father of the Caesar Beast and Nero was the last (wounded head) that was restored by the Flavians after the uprooted horns (Otho, Galba, Vitellius) left no heir or name nor received the name of Caesar. The rest of your rant is borderline psychotic. I have better things to do than dignify what you've now made this into. Bye.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings e end BEFORE it excahnges its Religious Empire (yes, I can show why Babylon the Great is a religious empire if you want) for a ten kingdom empire that has agreed to give it power. Satan is loose! One of his biggest deceptions is that he is locked up or burning in the lake of fire. If Satan was defeated than I hate ALL christians (especially the Catholic church in the dark ages) and I hate God and guess what? I probably can defeat this POWERLESS GOD! Yep! Preterists do not say
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings evil will be destroyed, thus draining all my hope, thus making me say ALL PRETERISTS ARE EVIL AND IN REALITY THEY WORSHIP SATAN!!!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings Pray for my soul if you want. I am trying to defend the Bible and the hope it has to offer. You are trying to drag it down as well as me. I do NOT want your prayers and I pray that ALL of your prayers for me will go unheard. I HATE PRETERISTS! Both partial and full.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable You fail to understand the essence of Biblical hope. The hope read about in the Bible would best be defined using the archaic definition: To place trust; rely (usually followed by in). The hope of early Christians was in Christ's second coming & resurrection; righteousness, salvation, and eternal life. Early Christians put their hope, and thus their trust in God to keep His promises. God kept His promise and Christians in this age possess the blessed hope of early Christians.
Shannybrook 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings You EVIL HOPE STEALER! John was predicting the future. Irenaeus claims the book was written in Domitianic time. When Jesus was referring to this generation he was referring to the generation that saw ALL things! another way to look at it is that ALL things means ALL signs! Why the apostasy in the church when Jesus did NOT come back?!? That's a load of BS that Julius was the first emperor. He was trying to form a REPUBLIC! Augustus was the first emperor. The church is not the
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings New Jerusalem. Where is our king? Why are we not reigning forever? Why were so many Christians abused by the REAL beast in the dark ages? If you want to understand revelation, go to revelationbibleprophecyDOTorg and teachingheartsDOTorg. Also, let's have a look at the Nazi preterists who killed 6 million Jews. Preterism spawns hopelessness and anti-semitism. You think you are God's but I can see your heart...JERK!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
Again, you still need to find a better way to contend against the proof I have offered such as the guy who ain't pulling fire down from the sky and such.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
I don't believe that Domitian was the Antichrist. And right now, most of the stuff (except the ones where I speak against the preterist heresy) I post about Revelation I'm not sure I believe anymore. It seems John was writing about the downfall and comeback and downfall and comeback until Jesus finally destroys Rome in the last days.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings You said it in Revelation 17:13! "they have one purpose and will give POWER and AUTHORITY to the beast. Remember, this beast had received INITIAL power in Revelation 13 for the 42 month reign but was locked up, and imprisoned in Revelation13:10. In the last days, it will come back to power and the ten will give POWER and AUTHORITY as made CERTAIN in Revelation 17:13. You should cut out verses when trying to make a point. I read the fine print ;)
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
Ok now I see why you're confused... at least to an extent. The way you phrase and narrarate Scripture is very deceptive. You see 2 words you are familiar with and you run with it. Lets look at what the passage actually says: (cont...)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Daniele states: "You should cut out verses when trying to make a point. I read the fine print ;)" Look, if anyone has the authority here to say things like this, it is demonstrably I. I corrected your video on each point because you demonstrably do not read much of anything but into texts. The same beast that received authority from the Dragon in 13 is the same as 17. 5 of its heads have fallen, these heads are not the same as the horns, obviously. You are comparing apples to oranges.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings I'd also LOVE to see Josephus record things about a guy bringing fire down from the sky (Rev. 13:13). Or these strange guys that seem to breathe fire in Revelation 11.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
Josephus does write about these things. He writes about a star in the shape of a sword that stood over Jerusalem for a whole year during the invasion of the Romans. He writes about the Jews AND Romans witnessing in plain daylight, angels on chariots in the clouds over Jerusalem. He also writes about false prophets and many omens/signs against Jerusalem that the Jews took as good signs instead, only to secure their demise. Its there, you just have to go read it, Daniele.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings Irenaeus clearly states it was written in DOMITIANIC REIGN! You can disagree otherwise, but his peers did not. He may have identified the other 666's but you have to understand that if John was writing directly about a Roman emperor, he would have put his own life in danger. That is why the book had to be written in code that only Christians can understand. Don't go bother praying for my soul just because I know for fact that full preterism is HERESY!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
Irenaeus lived 50 years after the fall of Jerusalem. He was not a witness to Domitian. We do have a witness of Domitian, however, and his name was Suetonius and he wrote about Domitian AND Nero. Funny how the same ancient historians wrote about the Christian sufferings under Nero would mysteriously omit them about Domitian, skipping over him until Decius (e.g.) and Diocletian? USE you brain. HISTORY DOES NOT SHOW DOMITIAN TO PERSECUTE CHRISTIANS.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings Don't go bother praying for my soul. You were unable to answer certain questions. It clearly shows that you cannot stand up completely for preterism. the three of the ten need to be reigning at the SAME TIME uprooted by the SAME HORN which you say is Titus. If Titus did not do this, your argument FALLS APART! And Titus did NOT reign for three and a half years!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
You need prayer, you're obviously an emotional mess and you don't even really love God because you hate his people. I've answered all of your questions. In fact, I addressed every single last statement in your video. I took it upon myself to do this. Nowhere do kings reign "at the same time". You invented this narrative because you don't read things through. It says "five have fallen" which means they didn't "reign at the same time". This is logically absurd.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings Also, show me some evidence that Satan is bound in chains or burning in the Lake of Fire or that Jesus has returned. Explain the apostasies in the church when Jesus DID NOT RETURN in 70AD!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
This is the typical "tantrum" I get once I've refuted a silly video by a spiritually poor Christian. Now instead of you admitting I've bested your attempts, you want me to explain everything that's above your head in 10 seconds and 1 text box. However, since I actually love the word of God, I'll follow your tangents. Satan was bound because Jesus said he bound him when he cast out demons. Jesus returned in 70 AD - within that generation - like he promised. :)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings This is where I get to show how spiritually poor you are: 2 Cor. 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. 1 Peter 5:8 Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
That Satan was NOT bound in chains during Jesus's reign on earth is something Paul and Peter (a disciple of Jesus) did not believe.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
"God of THIS world" = The "This world" was the world between 30-70 AD. Satan is now defeated no matter how much you choose to disbelieve it. They were to stay alert until 70 AD, when Jerusalem was destroyed. There was nothing to "stay alert" of after that. Satan was "bound" - not "literally tied up somewhere". It meant he stripped of a certain authority he had over disease, death, governments, etc. He offered Jesus the world but then Jesus bound him and looted him of it.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings I don't want prayers from you! I'd rather ask someone who is TRYING to give me hope! Someone who KNOWS ME! Daniel 7 indicates the ten horns ARE on the beast ruling OVER the kingdom. Verse 24 Its ten horns are ten kings who will rule that empire. Then another king will arise, different from the other ten, who will subdue three of them.
Revelation 17:13 shows the ten horns will GIVE POWER AND AUTHORITY!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings All preterists are heretics. Paul exposed heretics in his day and I will do the same.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
Really? Jesus and Paul were both heretics. They both said ALL prophecy would be fulfilled within that Generation from 30-70 AD. And by the way, nice job "exposing" me. I guess slandering me is your way of loving God by loving his people. No, I think Jesus would have a heart-to-heart with you about your ego and your venting of frustration on people who can exceed your expectations. Wasn't Jesus also called a heretic? They killed him for it. Think.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings It is quite obvious we are NOT living in the promised millenial reign. Where am I referencing the Didache? Irenaeus wrote the quote in his book "AGAINST Heresies", hence, preterism!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
I don't believe we are living in the "Millennial Reign". That was from 30-70 AD while God gave them miracles to confirm the message of the Gospel; both the message of forgiveness and condemnation. Salvation for those who follow Jesus out of spiritual Egypt/Sodom/Hagar (Gal 4:19ff) and into all the world that Jesus redeemed by his sacrifice for thsoe who love him. Condemnation for those who wanted to remain under the Law for the Law could not be kept by anyone but Jesus.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Add me to your preterist list of people for you to hate. I'll pray for that spirit and mind of yours instead of try to trash them like you want to do to others. God bless in Jesus Christ.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings God's people aren't full preterists who are trying to drain every ounce of hope I once dearly held. God's people look for ways to build each other up, not tear each other down by saying things like "everything happened in the 1st century AD". In my current status, I will get VERY angry at any preterist trying to drain away hope that I DEARLY need at this moment. That is all that preterists do. They are my biggest enemies. Not futurists or historicists.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
Daniele states: "not tear each other down by saying things like "everything happened in the 1st century AD". How is saying that I believe prophecy was fulfilled is "draining" and "tearing" you down? Your video is nothing tearing people down. You even visited my video first, and left a nasty comment about me being added to your "preterist heretic list". You did this unprovoked and unwarranted. You have simply been exposed as false and its worse because you're rude.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Preterism is not about draining hope. Preterism is about having fulfilled hope and redemption. If God's people look for ways to build each other up, why then are you tearing down anyone who disagrees with you in a most vile and hateful way? By your own definition you are not one of God's people. Moreover, how does acknowledging that everything happened in the 1st century tear you or anyone alse down or steal your hope?
Shannybrook 7 months ago
Now you are appealing to the Didache, which ironically is non-canonized and considered to be "heretical" itself. So let me gather this situation properly: You are using "heretical" literature in order to try to combat preterism, which you personally consider to be "heretical"... Something is VERY wrong here. However, the Didache contraticts the NT that says the "last days" and "the end of all things" were among THEIR GENERATION (30-70 AD) (Heb 1:2, 1Pet 4:7, etc)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings When did I state that Domitian was a bloodthirsty tyrant?
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings 3) not destroyed (Rev. 17:16). That Jerusalem is the Whore of Babylon is a complete f-off to God.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
That's very emotional of you. However, it is not rational nor factual. Try again. Try comparing me to Hitler. Oh, wait, you've already sunk that low, haven't you? How about the fact that you're so trashy to Christians who are obviously correcting you is the biggest "f-off to God" you could show him? Isn't love for God to love his people? Take a look at yourself.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings Titus would not have been the eleventh in a line of emperors. Many people at the time believed Domitian to be a spiritual embodiment of Nero. They see that as the fatal wound healed. Unless you can show me with MORE proof as to when the book was written and how Titus fits the description of Antichrist PERFECTLY, you will LOSE as every other preterist will fall before me. furthermore, Jerusalem is not the Whore of Babylon because God said she would be indestructible (Zech. 12:
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
People believed everyone was an embodiment of Nero. It was a phenomena known as Nero Redivivus and they saw "Nero" in things and people back then like people of today see the Virgin Mary in an oil slick or Elvis at the grocery store... Get your facts straight.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
The fatal wounded head was Nero/Vespasian. It was wounded during Otho, Galba and Vitellius (Year of the Four Emperors) when the "horns" were "uprooted". Vespasian healed it through the State (please read Suetonius' account of Vespasian) and army and then headed to Egypt and sent Titus to finish his own work in Jerusalem - continuing the War via Rome which was "wounded" after the suicide of Nero.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Titus fits perfectly in that he is botht he 11th and the 8th emperor of Rome, depending on whether or not you count Galbo, Otho and Vitellius, the uprooted horns. God had always called Jerusalem a Whore when they were a whore. Read Hosea 1 for crying out loud, God had a prophet name his children "You Are Not My People and I am Not Your God" and "I will no longer show love to the house of Israel". If Jersualem were "indesctructable" then why was it destroyed twice by its enemeis? Judgment.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
The Priesthood and the Pharisees were the Whore of Babylon. Those that pierced Jesus were part of that same whore - the lying whore and false prophet agaisnt Jesus Christ. They are the only viable option anyway to be the Whore, even without proof like Hosea and Deuteronomy calling future Israel the prostitute: (cont...)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Deuteronomy 31:15 "Then the LORD appeared at the Tent in a pillar of cloud, and the cloud stood over the entrance to the Tent. 16 And the LORD said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your fathers, and THSE PEOPLE WILL SOON PROSTITUTE THEMSELVES TO THE FOREIGN GODS of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them."
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
You beg about what "history" says about the fall of Jerusalem, now I turn it back on you and ask you for actual evidence that Domitian was a Christian-killer like Nero, Marcus Aurellius, Maximus, Decius, Diocletian, Valerian - of whom there is actual historical record of Christian persecution. Domitian, however, is exempt from the evidence which you just so happen to need to make your point here. I could complain about irony but there is no space in this text box. ;)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings The little horn in Daniel 7 that you believe to be Titus must uproot three kings. Who are these kings? Furthermore, the chapter also makes it fairly evident these ten are reigning at the same time. I'll give you credit for being able to respond. Most preterists are pretty stupid HOWEVER, the Irenaeus quote clearly shows that they would NOT be able to identify the Antichrist and that the book was written in Domitianic time. He was not contended on the date by the other three.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
The three kings uprooted were Otho, Galba and Vitellius. Secular history records the time as "The Year of the Four Emperors" and its a matter of public history thas isn't a secret to anyone but people like you.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Daniele said: "Most preterists are pretty stupid HOWEVER," Well, you are a bad Christian, Daniele.
"the Irenaeus quote clearly shows that they would NOT be able to identify the Antichrist and that the book was written in Domitianic time. He was not contended on the date by the other three."
Wrong, Irenaeus identified "666" to be "LATEINOS", "TEITAN" or "EUANTHOS". You are simply a few steps behind. Now you know. :)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Pray tell, do you have any actual evidence that Domitian was some blood-thirsty tyrant against Christians? The evidence is simply not there, some of the church fathers erred in making guesses in hindsight. The evidence does show that, instead, Titus and Vespasian had hunted down the lineage of David to exterminate them in order to alleviate fears of another viable threat to their "deity" and authority on earth. Tacitus wrote that Titus/Vespasian believed they were fulfillment of Scripture too
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
I found it almost humorous that you would seek to quote Irenaeus since he did believe that "666" refered to the past (preterist) by the possible names of "LATEINOS", "TEITAN" or "EUANTHAS". Yet you say he didn't intend to throw names around? Do a little research first, then you won't have to kick and scream about "where do history books confirm this one, huh?!" :)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
You then ask why "history books" don't record these "rivers of blood"? Perhaps you should read some history about 70 AD. Josephus wrote about the blood, the War and the curses on that city for 42 months and also wrote of Titus and the Romans beleiving that the Jews' god had given favor now to the Romans because the Romans had omens of victory and the Jews only omens of abandonment of God and the angels to those who did not leave the city as Jesus warned them to. 70 AD was not in a vaccuum.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Your next inaccuracy is saying that "Ten kings did not give Rome its power to destroy Jerusalem". The statement itself is misleading because it isn't actually what the bible says. The bible says that the DRAGON gave the beast its authority to make war. The Caesars were the heads/horns of the beast, not the source of its power, so you are in glaring error. The War began with Nero as king and ended with Vespasian - 4 emperors later. Titus was declared "god" in the Temple before they burned it
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Then you say that Euphrates didn't literally dry up but the vision is spiritual as we all know by now... or should. The "Euphrates" drying up represents Gods' disfavor toward unfaithful Jerusalem's generation that killed Jesus and the apostles. This curse of unfaithfulness to the Covenant dealing with God using the creation itself against the Jews and in favor of their enemies is found in Leviticus 26:14ff. In fact, even Josephus records rivers drying up for Jews to drink from but not Romans.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
I then see your next tactic is a wormy one in trying to slither your way around all signs and events taking place in THAT GENERATION and that the entire generation would not even be outlived until ALL events in Matt 24 spoke of. Its very simple. In fact, you didnt' even give an explanation in the video of what wasn't fulfilled, you just claimed preterists are wrong and "FAIL"... Moses' "generation" died in the desert except Joshua/Caleb as the symbol of 30-70 AD (1Cor 10:11)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
I've decided to take you to task on your claims in your "anti-preterist" upload... Your first complaint 1) is that "shortly" doesn't actually mean "shortly" based on Haggai 2:6 and you then baselessly assert that it has not been fulfilled based on Heb 10:25. REALITY: The prophecy of Haggai that would "soon" come to pass about the shaking of the nations DID come to pass IN THE SAME CHAPTER OF HAGGAI as you referenced. Read Haggai 2:20-23, its as plain as day:
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings (...cont)
Haggai 2:23 “‘On that day,’ declares the LORD Almighty, ‘I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,’ declares the LORD Almighty.”
^ So you are demonstrably incorrect in your assertions about "shortly" and "soon" within prophetic language. The entire chapter and following one are about the restoration of Israel which started by Cyrus and it was "soon"...
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
more preterists include AllThingsFulfilled, brainouty, and RenewalOfAllThings
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable Oh whoops, it appears that brainouty is more of a pre-trib rapture heretic.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
Thank you for the word of mouth, Daniele! Please visit my videos to escape modern day false prophets and false prophetesses who have you under the magic spell and fear mongering of "the end of the world". God bless New Jerusalem, the Bride and Body of Jesus - the church which is the Lord's portion in his Son. :)
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings You are the one who is a false prophet. If you saw the whole video, you would realize how despicable and heretical your doctrine of preterism is. Where is Jesus? Why is Satan not bound in chains? You are also going to have to answer ALL of the questions I posed in the video.
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings Revelation 17:12-13 The ten horns of the beast are ten kings who have not yet risen to power. They will be appointed to their kingdoms for one brief moment to reign with the beast. They will all agree to give him their power and authority.
The ten horns DO give the beast power!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
WRONG Revelation 13:1 "And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. THE DRAGON GAVE THE BEAST HIS POWER AND HIS THRONE AND GREAT AUTHORITY."
You are wrong, the Dragon gives the beast/horns the power and authority. This is inescapable.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
Another proof you are wrong.
Rev 17:12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will RECEIVE AUTHORITY AS KINGS ALONG WITH THE BEAST. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” - Same as Chapter 13, the horns RECEIVE it.
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago
@RenewalOfAllThings Haggai 2 DOES NOT say that the prophecy had been fulfilled in the same chapter! It was only building on the other part!
Danielezerable 7 months ago
@Danielezerable
You are wrong, it is the same "day".
Hag 2:20 The word of the LORD came to Haggai a second time on the twenty-fourth day of the month: 21 “Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I WILLSHAKE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. ... 23 “‘ON THAT DAY,’ declares the LORD Almighty, ‘I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,’ declares the LORD Almighty.”
RenewalOfAllThings 7 months ago