the only thing i really disagree with is "He made it very clear that once all the sings of the fall of the temple where made clear that the end times will immediately follow".
actually i think he is probably referring to the transfiguration here, it is like a preview to the second coming and was indeed witnessed by a couple people in that crowd. the fall of Jerusalem could also be seen as a preview to the final apocalypse. btw, later in the Bible it says when Israel is reestablished that generation will not pass away before he returns.
check out Matt. 23:36 then he goes on, some clearly end times prophecy, then Matt. 24:34 he says it again. i can only conclude he is speaking out across the ages. interesting in Matt. 23:39 he's speaking to Israel saying you won't see me again till you say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
IOW he apparently used the same time of phrase several times, not always for the same purpose or directed at the same people. he refers to specific people and generations though, you just have to refer to whatever he was just talking about to know precisely who. i won't take up any more of your space here though.
Judaism back then is just as varied as christianity is today. There where many groups that execpt books that are considered non-cannonical by todays standars. In truth there is no "one true form" of Judaism back then. Just popular.
I really like your presentations, but I have to take issue with something you say here. You state after quoting Jerimiah 36 that jehoiakim is in the geneaology of Jesus. That would be devastating, but I cannot find it to save my life. Where are u getting that from?
ok this is why i dont fully appreciate The Bible to tell you the truth, I just try to stick by the commandments still... but Jesus was the only real prophet was he not, so if other people are trying to be prophets and are wrong about their "prophecies" doesnt that just slap u right in the face?
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Friday night, saturday, saturday night, sunday morning, so we have a full day, 2 part days and 2 nights. Even if you still count friday and sunday as whole days, you still are missing a night.
Oza, what you neglect to comprehend is the description of what Hebrews consider "one day"
If you go back to Genesis 1, and the creation description of what a day is according to Judaic perspectives, you will see consistently stated "There was evening and there was morning" and each day progressed.
Oza, what is obviously weak here, and as well in your follow up text comment, is your ability to not only discern, but accurately exegite and comprehend Biblical terminology. The Bible uses metaphoric, allusionary, apocalyptic, and hyperbolic expressions throughout scripture. You utilizing literal comprehension for all scripture is excrutiatingly erred, and produces fallacious assertions.
@ozatheist The Bible NEVER says that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday. You're trying to point out a flaw in the bible using an outside source... Fail. And if Jesus was buried on friday and rose on sunday then that would only be 1&1/2 days. Jesus was most likely crucified on a wednesday.
Matthew 24:36 clearly states, NO ONE, not even the Son (that would be Jesus) knows the day of His return, only the Father knows. What is also evident is that you have a hard time grasping the scripture, which is quite obvious in your posts. 2Peter 3:1-3:9 will give you more info as well.
There is no delineation between the fall of the temple and the end times. He made it very clear that once all the sings of the fall of the temple where made clear that the end times will immediately follow. Further more the generation that he speaks of is the one that his hearing his words right then. There is no way in which you can separate the fall of the temple and the end times.
WTF? You don't even understand the conversation that you are in. I "concede" his address to "this generation"? WTF? It is the whole argument it-self! It is the very reason why it is logical to assume that the end times and the fall of the temple are not separate events. Then some how my argument doesn't make sense?!?!? How dumb are you? Here is to commenting on videos that you don't even watch.
1 Cor. 14:24 says that prophecy is for the unbeliever so he can believe. There fore it would be unwise to hinde the meaning to make it appear false. So a prophecy says what it says. Your wasting your breath if you think that there is another meant to Ezekel 28.
I don't have to know god to know what prophecy is. If you predict that X country will be utterly wiped out, Really is there anything more than that? No. If it does happen then it does, if it doesn't, then it doesn't.
AP you just don't get it do you, you are suppose to count the hits and forget the misses, you have to remember all the misses are lies made by Satan and he sneaked them into the bible, all of what God says will come to full in the end you just have to have faith.
1/3 of Earths population is about to be wiped out by a nuclear war. Who ever is left behind on planet earth will have to accept a microchip implant in their right hand or forehead to buy and sell. Revelation 13vs 16 to 18.
Iraq is the start of WW3. (Euphrates River Iraq) Bush handed Saddam Hussein over to the Arabs to be killed in the same cowardly manner as Pilot handed over Christ over to the Jews. George Bush has introduced the HR418 bill, the predecessor to the Mark of the Beast.
Sorry, a chip is just not fessible. There could be the following problems, infections, identity theft would be to easy, and you could not use an MRI if you had the chip. People wouldn't accept it with all those flaws.
In October 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) cleared a radio frequency identification (RFID) microchip for medical use in humans. It is made by VeriChip Corporation, to whose board of directors former Governor Tommy Thompson was appointed in July 2005. Currently,
human RFID implantation is used for medical records, security and some nightclubs a form of voluntary identification and a timesaving device. The HR418 card has the exact same technology as the Verichip.
I also believer in reverse engineering and that anything man can make man can break, the RFID passport and Verichip has been cloned already, however with the same technology one can be cut off completely from society if one interfere with the system. People may not accept it now but in times of crisis like an all out war people will accept anything for security. If it is to be braught in it will be quick and subtle.
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weberly2 2 years ago
Which means you agree with my argument...
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
the only thing i really disagree with is "He made it very clear that once all the sings of the fall of the temple where made clear that the end times will immediately follow".
weberly2 2 years ago
You cannot disagree if you accept that "this generation" means what it says. It logically follows because it is a deductive argument.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
actually i think he is probably referring to the transfiguration here, it is like a preview to the second coming and was indeed witnessed by a couple people in that crowd. the fall of Jerusalem could also be seen as a preview to the final apocalypse. btw, later in the Bible it says when Israel is reestablished that generation will not pass away before he returns.
weberly2 2 years ago
check out Matt. 23:36 then he goes on, some clearly end times prophecy, then Matt. 24:34 he says it again. i can only conclude he is speaking out across the ages. interesting in Matt. 23:39 he's speaking to Israel saying you won't see me again till you say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
weberly2 2 years ago
IOW he apparently used the same time of phrase several times, not always for the same purpose or directed at the same people. he refers to specific people and generations though, you just have to refer to whatever he was just talking about to know precisely who. i won't take up any more of your space here though.
weberly2 2 years ago
"34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Yeah .... that sounds like "across the ages", which is about 40 years...
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
From what I understand, Judaism only accepted the first 5 books at canon even during Jesus time.
Gringoman911 3 years ago
Judaism back then is just as varied as christianity is today. There where many groups that execpt books that are considered non-cannonical by todays standars. In truth there is no "one true form" of Judaism back then. Just popular.
TheAtheistPaladin 3 years ago
Tyre is pronounced "Tire" not "tie-rea".Your making the same mistake I once did.
Gringoman911 3 years ago
You really need to read some of the counter-apologetics and the rabbinical commentaries on these verses
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
Who gives a shit... Religion is not needed.
hoestomper 4 years ago 2
I really like your presentations, but I have to take issue with something you say here. You state after quoting Jerimiah 36 that jehoiakim is in the geneaology of Jesus. That would be devastating, but I cannot find it to save my life. Where are u getting that from?
bravesirjoey 4 years ago
ok this is why i dont fully appreciate The Bible to tell you the truth, I just try to stick by the commandments still... but Jesus was the only real prophet was he not, so if other people are trying to be prophets and are wrong about their "prophecies" doesnt that just slap u right in the face?
churchthemc 4 years ago
Can you rephrase? I found it alittle confusing.
TheAtheistPaladin 4 years ago
It's not like Jesus (if he ever existed) was 100% accurate himself.
Here are ones where he fucked up predicting when he was meant to return like a superhero
Matthew: 16:28, 24:34, 26:64
Mark: 9:1, 13:30, 14:62
Luke: 9:27, 21:32
John 5:25, 21:22
ozatheist 4 years ago 3
Oh and of course Matthew 12:40
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Friday night, saturday, saturday night, sunday morning, so we have a full day, 2 part days and 2 nights. Even if you still count friday and sunday as whole days, you still are missing a night.
ozatheist 4 years ago 3
Oza, what you neglect to comprehend is the description of what Hebrews consider "one day"
If you go back to Genesis 1, and the creation description of what a day is according to Judaic perspectives, you will see consistently stated "There was evening and there was morning" and each day progressed.
Boanerges7 4 years ago
Some try that, but its the "3 nights" was one that I had a problem with.
As far as what constitute a night?
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. - Genesis 1:5
Plus that logic makes your position weaker
ozatheist 4 years ago
Oza, what is obviously weak here, and as well in your follow up text comment, is your ability to not only discern, but accurately exegite and comprehend Biblical terminology. The Bible uses metaphoric, allusionary, apocalyptic, and hyperbolic expressions throughout scripture. You utilizing literal comprehension for all scripture is excrutiatingly erred, and produces fallacious assertions.
Boanerges7 4 years ago
Try telling that to the fundamentalists or the "literalists" or whatever they like to call themselves
ozatheist 4 years ago
Jews counted part of a day as a full day and night.There other prophecies that say he will rise on the 3rd day
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
@ozatheist The Bible NEVER says that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday. You're trying to point out a flaw in the bible using an outside source... Fail. And if Jesus was buried on friday and rose on sunday then that would only be 1&1/2 days. Jesus was most likely crucified on a wednesday.
goatmilk222 1 year ago
Matthew 24:36 clearly states, NO ONE, not even the Son (that would be Jesus) knows the day of His return, only the Father knows. What is also evident is that you have a hard time grasping the scripture, which is quite obvious in your posts. 2Peter 3:1-3:9 will give you more info as well.
Boanerges7 4 years ago
And that is what we call a contradiction
"And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:62
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." Luke 21:32
"Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me." John 21:22
"Behold I come quickly" Revelation 3:11, 22:7, 22:12, 22:20
Want more?
ozatheist 4 years ago
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weberly2 2 years ago
There is no delineation between the fall of the temple and the end times. He made it very clear that once all the sings of the fall of the temple where made clear that the end times will immediately follow. Further more the generation that he speaks of is the one that his hearing his words right then. There is no way in which you can separate the fall of the temple and the end times.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
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weberly2 2 years ago
WTF? You don't even understand the conversation that you are in. I "concede" his address to "this generation"? WTF? It is the whole argument it-self! It is the very reason why it is logical to assume that the end times and the fall of the temple are not separate events. Then some how my argument doesn't make sense?!?!? How dumb are you? Here is to commenting on videos that you don't even watch.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
//Here are ones where he fucked up predicting when he was meant to return like a superhero//
cough -preterism anyone
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
Well I am going to pray for you that you might find the true understanding of the bible.God is good.
2praise 4 years ago
1 Cor. 14:24 says that prophecy is for the unbeliever so he can believe. There fore it would be unwise to hinde the meaning to make it appear false. So a prophecy says what it says. Your wasting your breath if you think that there is another meant to Ezekel 28.
TheAtheistPaladin 4 years ago
You don´t know what you are talking about that is because you don´t know God.
2praise 4 years ago
I don't have to know god to know what prophecy is. If you predict that X country will be utterly wiped out, Really is there anything more than that? No. If it does happen then it does, if it doesn't, then it doesn't.
TheAtheistPaladin 4 years ago
AP you just don't get it do you, you are suppose to count the hits and forget the misses, you have to remember all the misses are lies made by Satan and he sneaked them into the bible, all of what God says will come to full in the end you just have to have faith.
Excelion333 4 years ago
Oh no. They haven't failed. You've failed, failed to be a true believer trusting in Jesus and filled with the holy spirit when you read scripture.
afundie 4 years ago
Pardon me for reading for what it says. Next time I just take it out of context and interpret it anyway I want, just like the "true" christians do.
TheAtheistPaladin 4 years ago
afundie is just trolling. If you look at his/her profile you'll see he isn't a christian.
dragon2wolf 4 years ago
I don't think he was "trolling". I think he was being sarcastic and so was I.
TheAtheistPaladin 4 years ago
ROFL. :D Well then, don't I look stupid.
dragon2wolf 4 years ago
don't we all sometimes...
abbnormalfunctions 4 years ago
speak for yourself! I look stupid ALL the time!
rozeboosje 4 years ago
1/3 of Earths population is about to be wiped out by a nuclear war. Who ever is left behind on planet earth will have to accept a microchip implant in their right hand or forehead to buy and sell. Revelation 13vs 16 to 18.
Iraq is the start of WW3. (Euphrates River Iraq) Bush handed Saddam Hussein over to the Arabs to be killed in the same cowardly manner as Pilot handed over Christ over to the Jews. George Bush has introduced the HR418 bill, the predecessor to the Mark of the Beast.
StatueSmasher 4 years ago
Sorry, a chip is just not fessible. There could be the following problems, infections, identity theft would be to easy, and you could not use an MRI if you had the chip. People wouldn't accept it with all those flaws.
TheAtheistPaladin 4 years ago
In October 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) cleared a radio frequency identification (RFID) microchip for medical use in humans. It is made by VeriChip Corporation, to whose board of directors former Governor Tommy Thompson was appointed in July 2005. Currently,
human RFID implantation is used for medical records, security and some nightclubs a form of voluntary identification and a timesaving device. The HR418 card has the exact same technology as the Verichip.
StatueSmasher 4 years ago
I also believer in reverse engineering and that anything man can make man can break, the RFID passport and Verichip has been cloned already, however with the same technology one can be cut off completely from society if one interfere with the system. People may not accept it now but in times of crisis like an all out war people will accept anything for security. If it is to be braught in it will be quick and subtle.
StatueSmasher 4 years ago