This looks like an interesting intellectual dialogue between this two men. However it is not in English; therefore I cannot follow. Can anyone please help do a translation & provide English subtitles for a greater audience?
There r millions of healthy children when cousins marry, i agree with most of the things said but there are abnormal children in every country, society, religion & relationships, its not as if every cousin marriage results in abnormal kid!!! As for comments on race and religion, i think each should look at themselves, lets face it, teenage pregnancies, gays, idol worshipping, cow piss drinkers, i could go on and on, i don't think anyone can comment on us, hah, fix urself first.
@eternal4life2010 shut your hole you paki bastard you lot are all inbred cousin fuckers no wonder you all look and think the same...........you have a defective genepool and all of society hates you.....haha
Beef is halaal. We may eat it if we want. However we tend to stay away from red meat causing high cholestrol. We will also, stay away from it if there were reports of tainted meat sold in the market. Just because an item is permitted, we don't have to consume it if unhealthy.
the probability of having disabled/abnormal kids when a couple are of no relation to each other is between 2.5 and 3%. when two cousins have kids the probability rises to about 6%. that is about 1 in 20 whereas every couple has a risk of about 1/40 of having abnormal kids anyway. something that allah has made lawful should not be seen as being wrong. allah is the one that gives life and decides who has what kind of brain disabled or normal
Simple... Lets go back to the beginning..God created only ONE man and ONE women.. that mean, their children married with each other.(brother-sister) Does that mean we are all abnormal? These are all man made BS.. Abnormal children born from different relations, not only by marring a cousin.. Besides, cousins know better each other and have more respect for each other than for an outsider. If there is LOVE between them, they can go for it. Thats all.
what is this stupid guy is talking about... "Islam is only about moral and spiritual aspects" ... Islam is the complete code of life.Gamdi is misinterprating the hadith of Rasool ALLAH SAW
if Islam only guides on moral grounds, not medical grounds. then why does it stop us from consuming pork, what kind of moral problems does it create? scholars say that pork and alcohol is prohibited in Quran because it gives rise to medical problems. then why not cousin marriage when the risk of having an abnormal baby is 1 in 80 births in cousin marriage. compared to non cousin marriage, i.e, 1 in around 1000 births. i wish i knew the risks before getting married to my cousin.
@madiha610 it's simple. the chances of a regular couple having a baby with deformities is 2 to 3 percent, while first cousins have risks of 4 to 6 percent, about the same as a regular woman over 35.
@ILoveEggsEggs In April 2002, the Journal of Genetic Counseling released a report which estimated the average risk of birth defects in a child born of first cousins at 1.7-2.8% over an average base risk for non-cousin couples of 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40.
look it up coz i cannot post links to websites here but its all over the internet.
@ILoveEggsEggs its the same as any woman over 40 (not 35) which is 1 in 66 births. the danger of genetic/ chromosomal abnormalities increases exponentially with maternal age. at age 20, it is 1 in 526. at age 30 it is 1 in 386. at age 40, it is 1 in 66. at age 45 it is 1 in 21. for cousin marriage, it is equal to that of a 40 yr maternal age risk
i have done my research, i suggest you research a little as well
@madiha610 The reason for prohibiting is not medical. It is a guidance for 'general' human nature which does not like eating beastly animals. Pig is a mixed being. Its form is that of other farm animals like goats but it eats flesh like beasts. This prohibition is actually to keep that human nature. Please note that only pork came to Christian cuisines when sharia was removed by St Paul, not other beasts. Beast eating in some areas like China are correctable distortions of human nature
@ pakistanicheetah You made a nice point about eating from a street hawker, and I also can see where Ghamidi is coming from.. but that still doesn't answer my question which is, If it's all about morality then why is eating pork not allowed in Islam? Let me throw in another question, Why does Islam order the stoning of homosexuals and ex-muslims (like myself)? I'd love to hear a non-barbaric humanistic answer to that one..
According to dumb Ghamdi morality is the only/main purpose of something being allowed or not in religion. Wish I was there to ask him, 'then why alcohol and pork isn't allowed in Islam' to which most muslim apologetics would say, 'it's bad for your health.. Religion really doesn't make any sense!
@skepticization My brother,unlike many scholars, Ghamidi Sahib never mention health benefit of any religious ritual. What he is saying here is, just like eating something from a street hawker is halal, but if you think it can make you sick then you will avoid it. It is not a matter of halal or haraam, it is a matter of your understanding of the particular issue. Halal and haraam is a completely different situation which is not even being discussed in this video.
@skepticization agreed, the justification i've heard over and over again for not drinking, is that if something is bad for you in large amounts, its bad in small amounts, unfortunately, almost everything is ad for us in too many amounts, food for one, even the very air we breath, the free radicles that attack the body, and eventually lead to aging and death.
I don’t want to be rude to anyone but please please stop this cousin marriage thing in this day and age because look at it this way the cousins share the same grand parents meaning they share the same blood line it would be like marring your own brother and sister so the people who thing that its right to marry there own cousin they should just marry there own brother and sister why draw the line if you think that its right to marry your cousin UK and EU please banned this corrupt practice
Cousin Marriage is not a cause of Abnormal Children. It will happen with or without. It’s just a propaganda against the Islam by christens.
In my family we prefer cousin marriage & we have record of our 9 generations. Al’hamdulill’ah, not a single disable case in my family. We have more than 6000 family members in Azad Kashmir, Rawalpindi, Gujranwala, Lahore & Karachi. Masha’Allah
@aamirking1 purleeze....cousin marriage is the cause of whats seen in the UK....pakistan babies make up something like 1.4% of all live births but a STAGGERING 30% of all babies born with defects...and muslims shrug it off saying 'its the will of allah'
its 2010....time to wake up and grow up
why is it muslims dont even care about innocent babies
@aamirking1 you really are desperate/dishonest wanting to call FACTS re cousin marriage to be propoganda
in the UK muslim babies make up 1.4 % of all live births, yet a staggering 30% of those born with sad defects...and muslims there 'shrug it off' saying its the will of your allah
some sicko allah eh
read what hennah says....just because you're BACKWARD and too scared to face facts, you want to ignore what she a muslim says even
30% of all babies born with defects......its a biggest bluff of this world. For the argument if I accept your statement, where can I see after 3/4 person 1 disable in UK or rest of the world?
Why it is Muslims don’t even care about innocent babies......for your kind INFO Muslim are caring their babies more than other. No concept of 18 years In Muslim world.
@proudfemale that happens on Pakistanis because they make the big mistake of REMARRYING. The problem on first cousins babies with birth deffects comes on second generations not first ones.
@davlor86 PITIFUL excuses for how muslims 'ignore' the plight of innocent children
dont be so dishonest...cousin marriages CAUSES birth defects, and the prevalence of such in your ummah is downright shameful...and muslims shrug it off saying 'its the will of allah'
some sicko allah eh - the same muslims also boast that everything that happens is the 'will of your allah'
and you wonder why people see islam as backward and 'utterly repulsive'
@proudfemale It's scientifically proven that a non related couple has only like 3 or 4% of having a baby with birth deffects and a cousins couple has like 6 or 7%...does that sound too much to you? it's really nothing if you really think about it. I know a cousins couple who have 2 kids and they're absolutely normal. The problem comes when cousins marry through generations.
@davlor86 purleeze...you show how devoid you are of integrity when you think almost DOUBLE the risk isnt
too much, particularly when such risk is 'avoidable'
to say its NOTHING is quite pitifully laughable
islam SANCTIONS harm to innocent children...just as you yourself do - and you wonder why people withmorals/intellect regard islam as utterly sick/repulsive
@proudfemale i just told you what scientists have discovered on this, not really saying wether is a thing people should do or not, i mean you may have your own opinion on this and i respect it just like i have also my own opinion and i hope you also respect it, I believe human beings are free to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt other peope, on the other hand prejudge is the worst thing humans can do, prejudge to me is synonimus of stupidiy. Have a nice day.
@proudfemale double?? i don't remember i ever said that, do you even know what the word"double" means? I said that cousins from FIRST generations are not really in too much higher risk of having babies with birth deffects, they are just like 2% more than non related people, that's almost NOTHING. But people usuallly exaggerates a lot when it comes about this....the great majority of babies from FIRST generations that are born this way are NORMAL.
@davlor86 let me TEACH you what double means re what YOU wrote
3% to 6% is DOUBLE the risk
WHY on earth would you claim ANY increased risk is 'nothing'
cousin marriage is the CAUSE of the prevalence of avoidable birth defects in your ummah...AND this also is seen in the weaker mental capacity of muslims
read what you wrote re 'double' risk
nothing indeed....? you sick weak wimp - but this is how islam fries the brains of those without morals
@proudfemale yeah and 94% of chances of having a healthy baby? dude, even non related couples have babies with birth deffects i just let you know that..and what's with the islam and muslim shit? i'm talking about babies born from cousins, not religion, why do you put religion on this shit, what does it even have to do with it?
@proudfemale muslims usually have babies with birth deffects because they remarry their cousins, i mean they are usually cousins babies from second or third generations, that's why...yeah i think that's wrong and to be honest i think it should be illegal.
@proudfemale and by the way not only muslims have babies with cousins, for example the couple i told you about on my other comment, it's not muslim at all. So i think your problem goes more with the muslims rather than with the cousin babies..well if i'm right about that .i'm sorry then i'm not a muslim, so go argue with someone else about this not me. Have a nice day.
@davlor86 islam SANCTIONS cousin marriage - whereas its illegal in the west BECAUSE of the harm it causes innocent children
dont LIE....the prevalence with muslims is horrific
I dont care what you are, muslim or not...your ignorance in not knowing what DOUBLE risk means, then you saying such denotes NOTHING shows how sick you are
@proudfemale lol still double or not, the chances of havng a normal baby is way higher (94%) even scientists say that babies born from first cousins (in first generations) are not really in too much higher risk of being born with birth deffects than those from non related couples but many people tend to see this as "sick" or "taboo" just for phsychological reasons but not really for logical ones Do a research about it if you don't believe me.
@davlor86 nonsense...double is a MUCH higher risk - to trivialise it /calling it nothing simply shows your ignorance/immorality
look at pakistani babies in UK before you continue to dribble your EXCUSES for what islam sanctions/.causes
you clearly have difficulty comprehending statistics or absorbing knowledge/facing reality - so dont give me childish words like 'logical' about this subject
you wrote out the DOUBLE yourself...then tried to lie about it lol
@proudfemale ok i would keep talking to you, but unfortunately talking to you is almost like talking to a wall, so will leave this shit here ok? my conclusion of this is that we live in a free world and everyone has their own opinions. See you.
@proudfemale you are fucking stupid, did you know that? i have a friend who married his cousin and they are absolutely normal people with normal kids, so your whole bull shit won't change my mind, now fuck off and go suck your daddy's cock you stupid bitch.
@aamirking1 actually it is the cause...you're another blind sheep following those who are denying. i'm living proof of first cousin marriage as i have a disability...if you don't believe me have a look at one of my videos...cousin marriage needs to be banned. i take it you haven't got a disability? and no it's nothing to do with propaganda...yes i'm a muslim as well.
Masha'Allah you are Muslim but you are trapped by propaganda. My dear as I explain you disable child can born without cousin marriage, if someone is saying its recorded in Muslim more, you have to think about living standard of Muslim world. I’ll bet you cousin marriage is best trust marriage during this moral downfall time.
@aamirking1 living standards affect on children, are things such as malnutrition, picking up dangerous diseases from water polution or unhygienic food preperation, but living standards will never make a difference in the number of geneic ailments seen in a community. Yes it's possible to get a genetic illness from a normal marriage, because there is always the likely hood of two people having the same faulty gene mating, the chances are MUCH higher if you are breeding from the same gene pool.
1 more thing I want to share with you only Muslims & people who are living under the poverty line have 5 to 10 child from 1 couple but rest of the world stay on 1 or 2 child
@lastfinalwords - Please don't quote the Prophet because you were not there when he said this statement. Just tell the truth that Quran does not say this. Just like Quran does not prohibit smoking cigarettes but that does not mean that smoking is good for you.
pompous urdu wankstains - do this speech in mirpur and see how many dumb paki inbred cumstains understand ur airy fairy language - fucking snobs, piss off.
if pakistanis did start marrying outside their family it doesnt make a difference
they as some race already have the same DNA over like thousands of people, and the same DNA defect will happen again, if you want to have less abnormalities, try traveling miles away to people hardly related to you but still humans.
alochol and gambling is not forbidden but because the cause overlaps with other areas. it is not forbidden the ingredients but the cause and intentions of overall outcome.
I Do agree. Ghamidi is m isguided. All should be aware of him and other Pakistani Mulla. Unfortunately we are lagging true Alim in Pakistan. Some time back I was myself thinking Ghamidi is a good one but when I had a chance to listen to his different opinions, I was shocked. He is in habit of making his own opinion over Deen and known and proven facts. Please be very careful and do not follow any one in blind faith. I do not know where we are going. God forgive us.
rizwanmoavia: Stop give statements based on your personal observations. Who's guided or misguided is not for you to decide, unless you come up with references logic and reasoning.
No one care what you personally think about anybody. As you said yourself just listen and do your own research and believe in whatever u find true. So its better to stick with own view and not being opinionated and hypocritical.
You bastered, Shaitan ke chaily. Dr Israr aur Dr Zakir Naik ko sun aur ilm hasil ker ke is se pakly tu jahanami na ho jai. Khuda ke laanat is Ghamidi Qadiani shaitan per. Ye harami adha Qadiani aur adha Shia kafir hai aur wajab al Qatal hai. Is laanti ke kaya mijal ke Dr Israr jaisy Alim se bahas kary jo ke Islam ke shan hain. Laanat hai tujh jaisy Sunni kahlany walon per bhe aur tery Maan Baap per ke ye sikhaya hai tujh ko. Ye Ghamidi logon ko bahka raha hai aur ham sunty rahin. Namumkin.
rizwanmoavia: You have just shown up your real self, your language tells how disgraced and filthy you are. Ignorants like you are certainly a burden on any society and Muslim umma in general. This is my last post to you. Don't right back to me because I don't want to know that people like you even exist
Tum beghairat nam ke Musalman aur apny aap ko Sunni kah ker Sunni fiqha ka mazak urany waly mujhe kaisy roko ge ke main tum ko jawab na doon. Ham hain jo is waqat Islam ke siebulandi ke liya apna khoon baha rahi hain aur tum beghairat Mujahidin ke khilaf Hakoomat ke hath mazboot ker rahi ho. Dr Israr aur Dr Zakir Naik Islam ke shan hain aur agar sachy Islam ko jan lena chaty ho to un ko suno warna tum bhe kutty Shia ke terha mary jao ge. Ham main se her aik Riaz Basra shaheed hai.
Rizwan Moavia Allah aap per raham kary. Aap he Riaz basra ho sakty hain aap ko us jaisa hona mubarak ho. Ham Ahl-e- Sunnat Rasool pbuh ke rasty per chalny waly hain na ke Yazeed ke. Aap intihai beshermi se Hz Ali, Hz Hussain Rz ke bary main baat kerty hain. Hamari jan Rasool ke Ahl-e- bait per qurban. Rasool ne farmaya Ali Rz ke chehry ke taraf dekhna abadat hai. Hassan Hussain Rz Jawanani Jannat ke sardar hain. Tamam Sahaba karam ne us se muhabbat ke hai. Allah aap jaison per raham kary.
u are devil whoes using such a bad language, ppl like u are giving bad name to islam. u are hypocrite and have doubt if u muslim. and actually u are the bastard whos calling a decent person
Alahmdolillah main sacha Ahl-e-hadith Musalman hoon. Tumhari terha biddati aur bahka hua nahi hoon. Tum Haz Yazeed per lanat de ker kafir ho gai ho. Hz Yazeed bhe to Hz Moavia Rz ke bety aur Hz Abu Sufian Rz poty the. Rasul pbuh ka nawasa hony se kaya ghalat thaik ho jata hai. Amal apna apna hai. Hz Hussain ke insult maqsad nahi magar ye haqeeqat hai. Ye bat samjhany ke liya to Dr Israr Sahib ne apny bety ke shadi 10 Muharam ko ke taky Musalman samajh jain ke ye khushi ka din hai na ke gham ka
He is trying to miguide true Muslims. Now i understand these people are all bunched together to destroy Islam and Mulsim's Iman. These Pakistani kafirs and Zindiq have got no relation with deen and deeni knowledge.People in Pakistan and elswere should be aware of their danger. They are more dangerous than cobras. They will take away peoples iman.
What Ghamidi means that it is up to us (humans) to decide about this matter (that could be in the light of latest science and research). This is not the subject matter of the religion. He says religion mainly deals with and relates to 'ideologies' and not medical science and research.
what i understand from what Mr. Ghamdi said is that since present science is proving that cousin marriage is not beneficial for children, we should avoid it.
my question is that even if people marry outside their family they can still face the problem of genetically abnormal kids ..should that be banned too,offcourse not because it's impossible to do so
No, nobody is banning cousin marriages, but people want to bring an awareness of these problems. Cousin marriages ENHANCE the risk of genetic problems, additionally they enhance the probability even more when people keep marrying cousins through generations.
Ofcourse there can be genetic abnormalities then 2 but u have realize that being cousins or blood relatives increases the risk much much higher because the chance of getting 2 copies of the recessive gene which cause problems is much higher since both the parents share genes.
A lot of Muslims still marry their first cousins!!! I know many of them in the US, who have come from different countries & even the ones that grew up in the US still marry their first cousins!!! I was told that it says in the Quran, that it's better to marry a first cousin over a stranger. Many bad genes are passed on like this...guaranteed (for over 1400 years)
@jayr545 - No the Quran does not mention any such thing. This is from buying into Hadith which is a manufactured evidence by various people who claim that it is the exact word of Prophet Muhammed (which as any sane person can see, is not possible). The marrying among the cousin was customary in tribal societies where you did not want to loose your land and possessions to people outside of your tribe.
@jayr545 you were told wrong, it is true that quran allows it, but it is not mentioned in qur'an that it is "better" to marry cousin (first especially). Qur'an allowed it because, there is alot of liklihood of cousins falling in love so to keep that population satified quran allowed it. Plus 26 states of U.S allows it too and trust me there many other ppl (in the west) who likes their cousins but can't marry them legally in the west so they ends up having illegitimate relationship
@ezgarl1 also, Islam definately has not ecnouraged this practice, discouraged it? yes. So, it is the backward cultture of certain countries or backwar practice of certain families. I personally don't find cousine marriage very shocking if the couple truely with their own desires wanted to marry each other, but when some families arrange their children's marriage with a cousin forcefully that is wrong and sin in Islam
@jayr545 the royal families of europe are the same... yuck!! of all the people to choose from, why a cousin? rudy guiliani is married to his first cousin, roosevelt was married to his fifth cousin, and hitler had an affair with his niece (her name was geli), so muslims aren't the only ones that engage in cousin marriage and relationships... but its still gross! see for yourself:
@Indiaexpress WHAT A THICK SHIT. What the above comment is trying to say is, muslims are not the only ones who marry their cousins. Fucking hindus marry dogs, frogs and even fuck animals. Disgusting people, twelve fingered dogs
@zardarikuttahaihai hahahaha! yeah , in today's times muslims are the only ones who marry their cousins. lol! and stupido marrying dog is much honorable than fucking your own sister!
@avastacia I hate incest and I hate Nazis. But didn't Hitler have an affair with his "half niece"? I think she was the daughter of his half sister. That isn't much better. It is still sick.
@avastacia Comparing a one in ten million Royal family to common practice is the result of a child born from cousin marriages -init! Stupid idiot! Typical Paki tho!
@jayr545 firstly the Quran doesn't say crap all about marrying a first cousin over a stranger wtf you on stop lieing out of your ass, secondly this is practiced mainly by Texans, Chinese, Pakistani, Indians, even English people till the late 19th century. and currently Ukrainians. Individuals marrying there cousins got nothing to do with religious beliefs but culture and traditions.
@Khan12078 NONSENSE and your dishonesty is shameful...but shows you are ashamed of islam
your own dirty prick mohammed sanctioned cousin marriage
in the UK pakistani babies make up less than 3% of all live births...but a staggering 30% of all babies born with defects...and muslims simply shrug it off, showing their lack of integrity as they say 'its the will of allah'
some sicko allah eh...some sicko muslims
I pity those born into ummah..regarded with such contempt
@proudfemale Oh well im not actually ashamed at all but even if Islam sanctioned it so did Christianity, and Judaism, again your missing the main point Muslims don't practice it the above people of ethnicity, stupid moron by blowing out statistics on Pakistanis when ive already said they do, do such practices , it not necessary so how could it be the "will of Allah" stupid hag. If your trying to prove a point your failing badly, i pity you fro your idiocy.
@proudfemale well i have to call you a hag if you make up such stupid remarks "will of Allah" and defaming my Prophet and such ive answered your question but it seems like, the only way you can go forward in this discussion is by repeating everything over again, lost for words i guess pathetic.
alhamdulillah truth has been revealed to sane people who would read this thread. In your last post you have not only rejected Abu Dawood shareef (which, ahle hadees, sunni shia, barelvi, wahabi, hanbali, hanafi, maliki, shafi, or a person who doesnt belong to any school of thought also believes to be authentic hadees book of sihah satta) but you have insulted imam abu dawood and his compilation of ahadees.. a person who was from SALAF.
Mr p0rtzer0 if you don't know what is Islam and do not want to learn please don't make stupid comments you have no right to declare some one kafar or murtid if you are that good why don't you come on you tube or on any tv channel in Pakistan to speak out.
secondly you said that i think that only i have understood Quran. If you can prove from my previous posts that i said that only i have understood Quran, then i would become zarkhareez ghulam of ghamidi. Third of all, if you knew what surah's i was talking about and you would have concerned about their mustanid tafseer -you wouldn't be saying phrase "without proof".
fourth of all, your last post clearly stated that you are totally illiterate about term "mustanid" therefor also about "sanad". But it's not a surprise, almost any person born in this era of kurb-e-qiyamah is insulting the Orthodox mustanid teachings of islam. Everything is already discussed and was revleaed 1400 yrs ago. But ignorant people try to fetch things by only knowing tits and bits of islam and leaving major teachings behind.
Ask your ghamidi that mustanid tafseer of Quran is there since 1400 years.. but how come his tafseer of Quran is only 200+ years old ? was islam spread 200 years back or 1400 years back ? (P.S. first educate yourself about term "mustanid" and 'sanad')
Don't be stereotype. Ghamidi speaks with references, if you are not agree with his findings then you have all the rights to give your arguments with refrences or remain silient.
By the way who cares that "you think" Ghamidi is not a scholar. People decide their self when Ghamidi talks with other contemporary scholars on TV programs.
who said that "i think" Ghamdi is not a scholar. Every mustanid institution knows that he isn't. And you are talking about proves and evidence without understanding the tafseer of Surah al-imran, al-maida, and reading abu dawood (hadees shareef) -book of knowledge(kitab al-ilm).. which has evidence more then sufficient to declare any fitna like ghamdi as a fitnah!
You think that you are the only one who has understand the QURAN,Abu Dawood & Kitabul ilm? & i should think in the same manner as you do! Sorry.
You are at libirty to say Ghamidi as fitna without any proofs like your 'mustanid institutions' do. Infact after reading/listening the alligations of these "mustanid institutions" I started to read more about Ghamidi's teachings and become more convinced.
May ALLAH give him more courage to purify present-conventional Islamic teachings from culture.
point number 6 is a flat out lie. point number 1 is a lie too. Ghamidi says that you won't apply Had to just about everything. Circumstances have to be considered aswell just as Hazrat Umar (rta) did.
you are the one who is screaming, i have not encountered a single fan of ghamdi who "denies" these 9 or 13 plus statements ghamdi made. you are the only person i have faced so far ! go and check his videos and read comments of people.. everyone is saying they believe but they believe due to logical reasoning
islam main bina tasdeeq ke koi baat kehna gunnah hay
phir wohi bat , kisi cheez ka prove liye bina , kaisay mana jaye, agar is ne aisa sab kaha hay prove le aao take main bhi logon ko bataon ke is ko mat sunnay bulkay main is ke ghar ponhc jaon ga is ko uthanay wahan se agar is ne ye kah ahay lakin mujhey pehlay prove chaiye,
i meet hundred people like you on daily basis.. who first ask for evidence, and then they deny evidence as well.. and then they keep argue like insane blind people untill Allah guides them.. and untill then they remain astray !
if you are sincere you would educate yourself to know why "ULEMA-E-DEEN" are against him and these statements are true.. if you watch his videos carefully. |You are asking for proof. and proofs are there in the videos but you admit them not!
if u can bring the evidence to the ppl on you tube it will be big help for ppl, so i would recomend u dont allgate just bring the videos in which he is saying it all
this is got to be stupid, i myself has seen the video in which he CLEARLY says that "kyun kay tahajut aur qiyamul lail aik he hai" and combining them as same form of salah. Which any sane scholar wouldn't say no matter from which sect he belong (except of he is a Shia-rafzi.. which is obviously an exception).
This looks like an interesting intellectual dialogue between this two men. However it is not in English; therefore I cannot follow. Can anyone please help do a translation & provide English subtitles for a greater audience?
opsvideo2008 3 weeks ago
5:50, epic lol!
maazaraza 1 month ago
this is not a logical answer.
watch what Sam Harris has to say about morality. Please do!!!
avaizhashmi 3 months ago
There r millions of healthy children when cousins marry, i agree with most of the things said but there are abnormal children in every country, society, religion & relationships, its not as if every cousin marriage results in abnormal kid!!! As for comments on race and religion, i think each should look at themselves, lets face it, teenage pregnancies, gays, idol worshipping, cow piss drinkers, i could go on and on, i don't think anyone can comment on us, hah, fix urself first.
eternal4life2010 5 months ago
@eternal4life2010 Muslims tend to have more disabled children then the average because of incest cousin marriage
lollywoodchannel 5 months ago
@eternal4life2010 shut your hole you paki bastard you lot are all inbred cousin fuckers no wonder you all look and think the same...........you have a defective genepool and all of society hates you.....haha
asaidweeman28 4 months ago
just mind your own buisness
trey4439 6 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite you know paki's are caucation right
trey4439 6 months ago
Science in the 19th century concluded that which Science of today rejects completely. It was a myth created by the western politics of that time.
For details check this news article, wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/cousinmarriage/
linuxae 6 months ago
COUSINS ARE VERY CLOSE RELATIONS NO ONE SHOULD BE MARRYING THERE OWN FAMILY THIS IS BORDERLINE INCEST
DAJAZDJ1 7 months ago 4
@DAJAZDJ1 what if your cousin is hot as fuck?
mrboyface 3 weeks ago
@mrboyface what if your mother or sister was
DAJAZDJ1 3 weeks ago
@DAJAZDJ1 then id probably feel horny
mrboyface 3 weeks ago
@mrboyface wow sik guy
DAJAZDJ1 3 weeks ago
@DAJAZDJ1 i used to have sex with my cousin, good times!
mrboyface 3 weeks ago
Beef is halaal. We may eat it if we want. However we tend to stay away from red meat causing high cholestrol. We will also, stay away from it if there were reports of tainted meat sold in the market. Just because an item is permitted, we don't have to consume it if unhealthy.
mubashir56 9 months ago 4
the probability of having disabled/abnormal kids when a couple are of no relation to each other is between 2.5 and 3%. when two cousins have kids the probability rises to about 6%. that is about 1 in 20 whereas every couple has a risk of about 1/40 of having abnormal kids anyway. something that allah has made lawful should not be seen as being wrong. allah is the one that gives life and decides who has what kind of brain disabled or normal
paki7713 10 months ago
@paki7713 why double the risks for no good reasons?
lollywoodchannel 7 months ago
Simple... Lets go back to the beginning..God created only ONE man and ONE women.. that mean, their children married with each other.(brother-sister) Does that mean we are all abnormal? These are all man made BS.. Abnormal children born from different relations, not only by marring a cousin.. Besides, cousins know better each other and have more respect for each other than for an outsider. If there is LOVE between them, they can go for it. Thats all.
Peace.
Redi4883 10 months ago
At least think of the children, not yourselves and your own selfish happiness !
vonkleve 10 months ago
I dont know who he is but if he s a religious scholar this is the first time i have ever seen something rational coming out of one
korikrali 11 months ago
what is this stupid guy is talking about... "Islam is only about moral and spiritual aspects" ... Islam is the complete code of life.Gamdi is misinterprating the hadith of Rasool ALLAH SAW
shoaibasherazi 11 months ago
if Islam only guides on moral grounds, not medical grounds. then why does it stop us from consuming pork, what kind of moral problems does it create? scholars say that pork and alcohol is prohibited in Quran because it gives rise to medical problems. then why not cousin marriage when the risk of having an abnormal baby is 1 in 80 births in cousin marriage. compared to non cousin marriage, i.e, 1 in around 1000 births. i wish i knew the risks before getting married to my cousin.
madiha610 1 year ago
@madiha610 it's simple. the chances of a regular couple having a baby with deformities is 2 to 3 percent, while first cousins have risks of 4 to 6 percent, about the same as a regular woman over 35.
check your facts, and educate yourself
ILoveEggsEggs 1 year ago 2
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madiha610 1 year ago
@ILoveEggsEggs In April 2002, the Journal of Genetic Counseling released a report which estimated the average risk of birth defects in a child born of first cousins at 1.7-2.8% over an average base risk for non-cousin couples of 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40.
look it up coz i cannot post links to websites here but its all over the internet.
madiha610 1 year ago
@ILoveEggsEggs its the same as any woman over 40 (not 35) which is 1 in 66 births. the danger of genetic/ chromosomal abnormalities increases exponentially with maternal age. at age 20, it is 1 in 526. at age 30 it is 1 in 386. at age 40, it is 1 in 66. at age 45 it is 1 in 21. for cousin marriage, it is equal to that of a 40 yr maternal age risk
i have done my research, i suggest you research a little as well
madiha610 1 year ago 2
@madiha610 The reason for prohibiting is not medical. It is a guidance for 'general' human nature which does not like eating beastly animals. Pig is a mixed being. Its form is that of other farm animals like goats but it eats flesh like beasts. This prohibition is actually to keep that human nature. Please note that only pork came to Christian cuisines when sharia was removed by St Paul, not other beasts. Beast eating in some areas like China are correctable distortions of human nature
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kasunikaanjana 1 year ago
COUSIN MARRIEGE IS LEGAL ACCORDING TO KORAN..THESE WESTERNS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING
DUE TO COUSIN MARRIEGE MOSLIMS FAMILIES R UNITED
rodtorre7 1 year ago
would anyone be kind enough to sub title this?
kendrawhisp 1 year ago
@kendrawhisp You want a translation or roman?
padfootpak 1 year ago
@padfootpak a translation :)
kendrawhisp 1 year ago
@padfootpak i'll see what i can do.
padfootpak 1 year ago
@ pakistanicheetah You made a nice point about eating from a street hawker, and I also can see where Ghamidi is coming from.. but that still doesn't answer my question which is, If it's all about morality then why is eating pork not allowed in Islam? Let me throw in another question, Why does Islam order the stoning of homosexuals and ex-muslims (like myself)? I'd love to hear a non-barbaric humanistic answer to that one..
skepticization 1 year ago
According to dumb Ghamdi morality is the only/main purpose of something being allowed or not in religion. Wish I was there to ask him, 'then why alcohol and pork isn't allowed in Islam' to which most muslim apologetics would say, 'it's bad for your health.. Religion really doesn't make any sense!
skepticization 1 year ago
@skepticization My brother,unlike many scholars, Ghamidi Sahib never mention health benefit of any religious ritual. What he is saying here is, just like eating something from a street hawker is halal, but if you think it can make you sick then you will avoid it. It is not a matter of halal or haraam, it is a matter of your understanding of the particular issue. Halal and haraam is a completely different situation which is not even being discussed in this video.
pakistanicheetah 1 year ago
@skepticization agreed, the justification i've heard over and over again for not drinking, is that if something is bad for you in large amounts, its bad in small amounts, unfortunately, almost everything is ad for us in too many amounts, food for one, even the very air we breath, the free radicles that attack the body, and eventually lead to aging and death.
kendrawhisp 1 year ago
I don’t want to be rude to anyone but please please stop this cousin marriage thing in this day and age because look at it this way the cousins share the same grand parents meaning they share the same blood line it would be like marring your own brother and sister so the people who thing that its right to marry there own cousin they should just marry there own brother and sister why draw the line if you think that its right to marry your cousin UK and EU please banned this corrupt practice
lollywoodchannel 1 year ago
@sollucet87
great comment man
MuhammadUmerED 1 year ago
my dog fucs its daughter, gross huh
localSickened 1 year ago
so my friend Jacksoff alot can that cause abnormality please reply back........
ches706 1 year ago
Cousin Marriage is not a cause of Abnormal Children. It will happen with or without. It’s just a propaganda against the Islam by christens.
In my family we prefer cousin marriage & we have record of our 9 generations. Al’hamdulill’ah, not a single disable case in my family. We have more than 6000 family members in Azad Kashmir, Rawalpindi, Gujranwala, Lahore & Karachi. Masha’Allah
aamirking1 1 year ago
@aamirking1 purleeze....cousin marriage is the cause of whats seen in the UK....pakistan babies make up something like 1.4% of all live births but a STAGGERING 30% of all babies born with defects...and muslims shrug it off saying 'its the will of allah'
its 2010....time to wake up and grow up
why is it muslims dont even care about innocent babies
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale
Sorry yr. all fact & detail not comes from authenticated source. As I said it’s propaganda by christens.
aamirking1 1 year ago
@aamirking1 you really are desperate/dishonest wanting to call FACTS re cousin marriage to be propoganda
in the UK muslim babies make up 1.4 % of all live births, yet a staggering 30% of those born with sad defects...and muslims there 'shrug it off' saying its the will of your allah
some sicko allah eh
read what hennah says....just because you're BACKWARD and too scared to face facts, you want to ignore what she a muslim says even
proudfemale 1 year ago
@proudfemale
30% of all babies born with defects......its a biggest bluff of this world. For the argument if I accept your statement, where can I see after 3/4 person 1 disable in UK or rest of the world?
Why it is Muslims don’t even care about innocent babies......for your kind INFO Muslim are caring their babies more than other. No concept of 18 years In Muslim world.
aamirking1 1 year ago
@aamirking1 more than half of all marriages in qatar are consanguineous. the genetics, research etc is all there. read up on it.
volound 1 year ago
@proudfemale that happens on Pakistanis because they make the big mistake of REMARRYING. The problem on first cousins babies with birth deffects comes on second generations not first ones.
davlor86 11 months ago
@davlor86 PITIFUL excuses for how muslims 'ignore' the plight of innocent children
dont be so dishonest...cousin marriages CAUSES birth defects, and the prevalence of such in your ummah is downright shameful...and muslims shrug it off saying 'its the will of allah'
some sicko allah eh - the same muslims also boast that everything that happens is the 'will of your allah'
and you wonder why people see islam as backward and 'utterly repulsive'
proudfemale 11 months ago
@proudfemale It's scientifically proven that a non related couple has only like 3 or 4% of having a baby with birth deffects and a cousins couple has like 6 or 7%...does that sound too much to you? it's really nothing if you really think about it. I know a cousins couple who have 2 kids and they're absolutely normal. The problem comes when cousins marry through generations.
davlor86 11 months ago
@davlor86 purleeze...you show how devoid you are of integrity when you think almost DOUBLE the risk isnt
too much, particularly when such risk is 'avoidable'
to say its NOTHING is quite pitifully laughable
islam SANCTIONS harm to innocent children...just as you yourself do - and you wonder why people withmorals/intellect regard islam as utterly sick/repulsive
you show why
proudfemale 11 months ago
@proudfemale i just told you what scientists have discovered on this, not really saying wether is a thing people should do or not, i mean you may have your own opinion on this and i respect it just like i have also my own opinion and i hope you also respect it, I believe human beings are free to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt other peope, on the other hand prejudge is the worst thing humans can do, prejudge to me is synonimus of stupidiy. Have a nice day.
davlor86 11 months ago
@davlor86 you claimed that DOUBLE the risk was 'nothing' - youve shown how sick islam and muslims really are
inbreeding DOES hurt...look at the victims of birth defects due to it
islam itself HURTS people...theyre controlled by taught fears/deceit/hideous punishments for non belief or not complying with its backward nonsense
you say you believe humans free to do what they want...yet SUPPORT murder for non belief/denial of human rights inflicted by islam
you LIE
proudfemale 11 months ago
@proudfemale double?? i don't remember i ever said that, do you even know what the word"double" means? I said that cousins from FIRST generations are not really in too much higher risk of having babies with birth deffects, they are just like 2% more than non related people, that's almost NOTHING. But people usuallly exaggerates a lot when it comes about this....the great majority of babies from FIRST generations that are born this way are NORMAL.
davlor86 11 months ago
@davlor86 let me TEACH you what double means re what YOU wrote
3% to 6% is DOUBLE the risk
WHY on earth would you claim ANY increased risk is 'nothing'
cousin marriage is the CAUSE of the prevalence of avoidable birth defects in your ummah...AND this also is seen in the weaker mental capacity of muslims
read what you wrote re 'double' risk
nothing indeed....? you sick weak wimp - but this is how islam fries the brains of those without morals
proudfemale 11 months ago
@proudfemale yeah and 94% of chances of having a healthy baby? dude, even non related couples have babies with birth deffects i just let you know that..and what's with the islam and muslim shit? i'm talking about babies born from cousins, not religion, why do you put religion on this shit, what does it even have to do with it?
davlor86 11 months ago
@davlor86 you show you dont know what double means...and you wrote it lol
its religion that sanctions cousin marriage idiot - its MUSLIMS that have far more babies with birth defects and also a growing 'mental' problem
every baby has the right to be born healthy...you claimed its a NOTHING that so many muslim babies arent
you're a weak DISGUSTING submissive slaveboy to the hoax/filth of islam - you show us all how SICK islam and muslims really are
proudfemale 11 months ago
@proudfemale muslims usually have babies with birth deffects because they remarry their cousins, i mean they are usually cousins babies from second or third generations, that's why...yeah i think that's wrong and to be honest i think it should be illegal.
davlor86 11 months ago
@proudfemale and by the way not only muslims have babies with cousins, for example the couple i told you about on my other comment, it's not muslim at all. So i think your problem goes more with the muslims rather than with the cousin babies..well if i'm right about that .i'm sorry then i'm not a muslim, so go argue with someone else about this not me. Have a nice day.
davlor86 11 months ago
@davlor86 islam SANCTIONS cousin marriage - whereas its illegal in the west BECAUSE of the harm it causes innocent children
dont LIE....the prevalence with muslims is horrific
I dont care what you are, muslim or not...your ignorance in not knowing what DOUBLE risk means, then you saying such denotes NOTHING shows how sick you are
proudfemale 10 months ago
@proudfemale lol still double or not, the chances of havng a normal baby is way higher (94%) even scientists say that babies born from first cousins (in first generations) are not really in too much higher risk of being born with birth deffects than those from non related couples but many people tend to see this as "sick" or "taboo" just for phsychological reasons but not really for logical ones Do a research about it if you don't believe me.
davlor86 10 months ago
@davlor86 nonsense...double is a MUCH higher risk - to trivialise it /calling it nothing simply shows your ignorance/immorality
look at pakistani babies in UK before you continue to dribble your EXCUSES for what islam sanctions/.causes
you clearly have difficulty comprehending statistics or absorbing knowledge/facing reality - so dont give me childish words like 'logical' about this subject
you wrote out the DOUBLE yourself...then tried to lie about it lol
proudfemale 10 months ago
@proudfemale ok i would keep talking to you, but unfortunately talking to you is almost like talking to a wall, so will leave this shit here ok? my conclusion of this is that we live in a free world and everyone has their own opinions. See you.
davlor86 10 months ago
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@davlor86 purleeze...you got shown up with your ignorance/pitiful excuses trying to trivialise any birth defects
and FACTS /STATISTICS as just that, not opinions
living in a free world DOESNT give people rights to put such a HUGE risk onto offsrping due to religion
proudfemale 10 months ago
@proudfemale you are fucking stupid, did you know that? i have a friend who married his cousin and they are absolutely normal people with normal kids, so your whole bull shit won't change my mind, now fuck off and go suck your daddy's cock you stupid bitch.
davlor86 10 months ago
@davlor86 no, Im not stupid...its YOU who didnt know what 'double the risk' means and who said it equated to NOTHING
so because your friends children are normal, you are trying to say that EXCUSES/NEGATES the horrific incidence in muslims DUE TO islam
you show your ignorance...and what a perversely dirty weak wimp you are with a 'cock sucking' fetish
youve been shown up as 'backward/stupid'
of course FACTS wont change your mind....that requires intellect, which you dont have
proudfemale 10 months ago
@davlor86 no, Im not stupid...its YOU who didnt know what 'double the risk' means and who said it equated to NOTHING
so because your friends children are normal, you are trying to say that EXCUSES/NEGATES the horrific incidence in muslims DUE TO islam
you show your ignorance...and what a perversely dirty weak wimp you are with a 'cock sucking' fetish
youve been shown up as 'backward/stupid'
of course FACTS wont change your mind....that requires intellect, which you dont have
proudfemale 10 months ago
@proudfemale haha do humanity a favor and go killyourself you stupid bitch
davlor86 10 months ago
@proudfemale err and no i don't support murder, i'm not even a muslim, actually i don't even have a religion.
davlor86 11 months ago
@aamirking1 actually it is the cause...you're another blind sheep following those who are denying. i'm living proof of first cousin marriage as i have a disability...if you don't believe me have a look at one of my videos...cousin marriage needs to be banned. i take it you haven't got a disability? and no it's nothing to do with propaganda...yes i'm a muslim as well.
hennah11 1 year ago
@hennah11
Masha'Allah you are Muslim but you are trapped by propaganda. My dear as I explain you disable child can born without cousin marriage, if someone is saying its recorded in Muslim more, you have to think about living standard of Muslim world. I’ll bet you cousin marriage is best trust marriage during this moral downfall time.
Regards,
Aamir Malik
aamirking1 1 year ago
@aamirking1 living standards affect on children, are things such as malnutrition, picking up dangerous diseases from water polution or unhygienic food preperation, but living standards will never make a difference in the number of geneic ailments seen in a community. Yes it's possible to get a genetic illness from a normal marriage, because there is always the likely hood of two people having the same faulty gene mating, the chances are MUCH higher if you are breeding from the same gene pool.
kendrawhisp 1 year ago
@hennah11
1 more thing I want to share with you only Muslims & people who are living under the poverty line have 5 to 10 child from 1 couple but rest of the world stay on 1 or 2 child
aamirking1 1 year ago
@lastfinalwords - Please don't quote the Prophet because you were not there when he said this statement. Just tell the truth that Quran does not say this. Just like Quran does not prohibit smoking cigarettes but that does not mean that smoking is good for you.
McChirkeen 1 year ago
excellent person.
we should demarcate boundaries for religion.
narainpur 1 year ago
pompous urdu wankstains - do this speech in mirpur and see how many dumb paki inbred cumstains understand ur airy fairy language - fucking snobs, piss off.
001001110110 1 year ago
cousin marriage once in a while is okay
the main problem isnt cousin marriage
it's about marrying people of the same group over several generations...
and probably, the quran talks about moral issues,
and are there any moral issues between cousin marriage?
and marrying within the same population isnt a bad thing, it creates genetic drift
i probably bet the Kalash people in Pakistan has fallowed this trend, and DNA tests on them proved that they are a very isolated population
TheSuperItalian123 2 years ago
it doesnt really matter
if pakistanis did start marrying outside their family it doesnt make a difference
they as some race already have the same DNA over like thousands of people, and the same DNA defect will happen again, if you want to have less abnormalities, try traveling miles away to people hardly related to you but still humans.
TheSuperItalian123 2 years ago
but marriage within cousins causes deformity and genetic disorder but might miss one generation but affect another
bassatkhan1 2 years ago
alochol and gambling is not forbidden but because the cause overlaps with other areas. it is not forbidden the ingredients but the cause and intentions of overall outcome.
bassatkhan1 2 years ago
I Do agree. Ghamidi is m isguided. All should be aware of him and other Pakistani Mulla. Unfortunately we are lagging true Alim in Pakistan. Some time back I was myself thinking Ghamidi is a good one but when I had a chance to listen to his different opinions, I was shocked. He is in habit of making his own opinion over Deen and known and proven facts. Please be very careful and do not follow any one in blind faith. I do not know where we are going. God forgive us.
rizwanmoavia 2 years ago
rizwanmoavia: Stop give statements based on your personal observations. Who's guided or misguided is not for you to decide, unless you come up with references logic and reasoning.
No one care what you personally think about anybody. As you said yourself just listen and do your own research and believe in whatever u find true. So its better to stick with own view and not being opinionated and hypocritical.
Reptile0000 2 years ago
You bastered, Shaitan ke chaily. Dr Israr aur Dr Zakir Naik ko sun aur ilm hasil ker ke is se pakly tu jahanami na ho jai. Khuda ke laanat is Ghamidi Qadiani shaitan per. Ye harami adha Qadiani aur adha Shia kafir hai aur wajab al Qatal hai. Is laanti ke kaya mijal ke Dr Israr jaisy Alim se bahas kary jo ke Islam ke shan hain. Laanat hai tujh jaisy Sunni kahlany walon per bhe aur tery Maan Baap per ke ye sikhaya hai tujh ko. Ye Ghamidi logon ko bahka raha hai aur ham sunty rahin. Namumkin.
rizwanmoavia 2 years ago
rizwanmoavia: You have just shown up your real self, your language tells how disgraced and filthy you are. Ignorants like you are certainly a burden on any society and Muslim umma in general. This is my last post to you. Don't right back to me because I don't want to know that people like you even exist
Reptile0000 2 years ago
Tum beghairat nam ke Musalman aur apny aap ko Sunni kah ker Sunni fiqha ka mazak urany waly mujhe kaisy roko ge ke main tum ko jawab na doon. Ham hain jo is waqat Islam ke siebulandi ke liya apna khoon baha rahi hain aur tum beghairat Mujahidin ke khilaf Hakoomat ke hath mazboot ker rahi ho. Dr Israr aur Dr Zakir Naik Islam ke shan hain aur agar sachy Islam ko jan lena chaty ho to un ko suno warna tum bhe kutty Shia ke terha mary jao ge. Ham main se her aik Riaz Basra shaheed hai.
rizwanmoavia 2 years ago
Rizwan Moavia Allah aap per raham kary. Aap he Riaz basra ho sakty hain aap ko us jaisa hona mubarak ho. Ham Ahl-e- Sunnat Rasool pbuh ke rasty per chalny waly hain na ke Yazeed ke. Aap intihai beshermi se Hz Ali, Hz Hussain Rz ke bary main baat kerty hain. Hamari jan Rasool ke Ahl-e- bait per qurban. Rasool ne farmaya Ali Rz ke chehry ke taraf dekhna abadat hai. Hassan Hussain Rz Jawanani Jannat ke sardar hain. Tamam Sahaba karam ne us se muhabbat ke hai. Allah aap jaison per raham kary.
nabilsufian 2 years ago
rizwan is horrible and sick
he should be kicked out of this platform
if hes so religious wats he doing here
using the technology of non-muslims
coolrose79 2 years ago
u are retile rizwan is even cant be called human, and he claims to be muslim
hes worse than non-muslims
coolrose79 2 years ago
u are devil whoes using such a bad language, ppl like u are giving bad name to islam. u are hypocrite and have doubt if u muslim. and actually u are the bastard whos calling a decent person
coolrose79 2 years ago
Alahmdolillah main sacha Ahl-e-hadith Musalman hoon. Tumhari terha biddati aur bahka hua nahi hoon. Tum Haz Yazeed per lanat de ker kafir ho gai ho. Hz Yazeed bhe to Hz Moavia Rz ke bety aur Hz Abu Sufian Rz poty the. Rasul pbuh ka nawasa hony se kaya ghalat thaik ho jata hai. Amal apna apna hai. Hz Hussain ke insult maqsad nahi magar ye haqeeqat hai. Ye bat samjhany ke liya to Dr Israr Sahib ne apny bety ke shadi 10 Muharam ko ke taky Musalman samajh jain ke ye khushi ka din hai na ke gham ka
rizwanmoavia 2 years ago
u are dick
coolrose79 2 years ago
Hey it would be nice if you added subtitles. helps non-urdu-speaking people understand.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago 2
He is trying to miguide true Muslims. Now i understand these people are all bunched together to destroy Islam and Mulsim's Iman. These Pakistani kafirs and Zindiq have got no relation with deen and deeni knowledge.People in Pakistan and elswere should be aware of their danger. They are more dangerous than cobras. They will take away peoples iman.
iftekhar62 2 years ago
y do u always copy and paste same comment ? Just Shut Your Mouth
connectfast 2 years ago
Nothing is wrong with marrying cousins in the Muslim community, even western society small population accept it legally.
Chromegrillz 2 years ago
i admire this guy so much. His argments makes so much sense to me
hrjhrj 2 years ago 2
i just dont get that guy at all.... his answers were confusing to be honest...
simple do u marry ur 1st cousin or not?
tichiler87 2 years ago
What Ghamidi means that it is up to us (humans) to decide about this matter (that could be in the light of latest science and research). This is not the subject matter of the religion. He says religion mainly deals with and relates to 'ideologies' and not medical science and research.
Allah knows the best.
nabeelaejaz 2 years ago 3
dear friend,
what i understand from what Mr. Ghamdi said is that since present science is proving that cousin marriage is not beneficial for children, we should avoid it.
hrjhrj 2 years ago
my question is that even if people marry outside their family they can still face the problem of genetically abnormal kids ..should that be banned too,offcourse not because it's impossible to do so
alileo12 2 years ago 3
No, nobody is banning cousin marriages, but people want to bring an awareness of these problems. Cousin marriages ENHANCE the risk of genetic problems, additionally they enhance the probability even more when people keep marrying cousins through generations.
dirtyhyde8 2 years ago 16
@alileo12
Ofcourse there can be genetic abnormalities then 2 but u have realize that being cousins or blood relatives increases the risk much much higher because the chance of getting 2 copies of the recessive gene which cause problems is much higher since both the parents share genes.
nworb 2 years ago
@nworb
ditto
i just made a video about it on my channel
NaomiChambers 2 years ago
bhosduallah ul rakhmaane rahim-bhosadchod katue paksitani hw cn u marry ur own sisters no doubt 90% of u r mentally retarded?
thescorpionking2000 2 years ago
Muslims marry first cousins more than any other group in history or today!!! half my relatives (muslims) married thier first cousins.
rayj778 2 years ago
A lot of Muslims still marry their first cousins!!! I know many of them in the US, who have come from different countries & even the ones that grew up in the US still marry their first cousins!!! I was told that it says in the Quran, that it's better to marry a first cousin over a stranger. Many bad genes are passed on like this...guaranteed (for over 1400 years)
jayr545 2 years ago 12
@jayr545 - No the Quran does not mention any such thing. This is from buying into Hadith which is a manufactured evidence by various people who claim that it is the exact word of Prophet Muhammed (which as any sane person can see, is not possible). The marrying among the cousin was customary in tribal societies where you did not want to loose your land and possessions to people outside of your tribe.
McChirkeen 1 year ago
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@jayr545 I was told that it says in the Quran, that it's better to marry a first cousin over a stranger. where in Quran ??? plz give me Ref.
aamirking1 1 year ago
@jayr545 you were told wrong, it is true that quran allows it, but it is not mentioned in qur'an that it is "better" to marry cousin (first especially). Qur'an allowed it because, there is alot of liklihood of cousins falling in love so to keep that population satified quran allowed it. Plus 26 states of U.S allows it too and trust me there many other ppl (in the west) who likes their cousins but can't marry them legally in the west so they ends up having illegitimate relationship
ezgarl1 1 year ago
@ezgarl1 also, Islam definately has not ecnouraged this practice, discouraged it? yes. So, it is the backward cultture of certain countries or backwar practice of certain families. I personally don't find cousine marriage very shocking if the couple truely with their own desires wanted to marry each other, but when some families arrange their children's marriage with a cousin forcefully that is wrong and sin in Islam
ezgarl1 1 year ago
@jayr545 did the quran say it's better to marry you'r first cousin?? that is so wrong bro. go and check again with the moran who told you this.
gannas3d3d 1 year ago
@jayr545
there is no "direction" in quran to marry cousines. whoever has told you that is not aware.
MuhammadUmerED 1 year ago
@jayr545 the royal families of europe are the same... yuck!! of all the people to choose from, why a cousin? rudy guiliani is married to his first cousin, roosevelt was married to his fifth cousin, and hitler had an affair with his niece (her name was geli), so muslims aren't the only ones that engage in cousin marriage and relationships... but its still gross! see for yourself:
avastacia 1 year ago 8
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avastacia 1 year ago
@avastacia yeah just like gay sex is also gross
davlor86 11 months ago
so if a chritian fucks his mother, muslim would do the same! hahahha!
Indiaexpress 5 months ago
@Indiaexpress WHAT A THICK SHIT. What the above comment is trying to say is, muslims are not the only ones who marry their cousins. Fucking hindus marry dogs, frogs and even fuck animals. Disgusting people, twelve fingered dogs
zardarikuttahaihai 4 months ago
@zardarikuttahaihai hahahaha! yeah , in today's times muslims are the only ones who marry their cousins. lol! and stupido marrying dog is much honorable than fucking your own sister!
Indiaexpress 4 months ago
@avastacia I hate incest and I hate Nazis. But didn't Hitler have an affair with his "half niece"? I think she was the daughter of his half sister. That isn't much better. It is still sick.
Jefgg 1 week ago
@avastacia Comparing a one in ten million Royal family to common practice is the result of a child born from cousin marriages -init! Stupid idiot! Typical Paki tho!
gonedoolali 5 days ago
@avastacia Good point -Did all this people also have ten bloody kids as well! LOL
gonedoolali 5 days ago
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@jayr545 go to wikipedia and look up "list of coupled cousins"... its truly shocking!
avastacia 1 year ago
@jayr545 firstly the Quran doesn't say crap all about marrying a first cousin over a stranger wtf you on stop lieing out of your ass, secondly this is practiced mainly by Texans, Chinese, Pakistani, Indians, even English people till the late 19th century. and currently Ukrainians. Individuals marrying there cousins got nothing to do with religious beliefs but culture and traditions.
Khan12078 1 year ago
@Khan12078 NONSENSE and your dishonesty is shameful...but shows you are ashamed of islam
your own dirty prick mohammed sanctioned cousin marriage
in the UK pakistani babies make up less than 3% of all live births...but a staggering 30% of all babies born with defects...and muslims simply shrug it off, showing their lack of integrity as they say 'its the will of allah'
some sicko allah eh...some sicko muslims
I pity those born into ummah..regarded with such contempt
proudfemale 11 months ago
@proudfemale Oh well im not actually ashamed at all but even if Islam sanctioned it so did Christianity, and Judaism, again your missing the main point Muslims don't practice it the above people of ethnicity, stupid moron by blowing out statistics on Pakistanis when ive already said they do, do such practices , it not necessary so how could it be the "will of Allah" stupid hag. If your trying to prove a point your failing badly, i pity you fro your idiocy.
Khan12078 11 months ago
@Khan12078 islam SANCTIONS interbreeding, which is the CAUSE of such hideous prevalence of birth defects
in UK muslims shrug it off, saying its the 'will of allah'
calling me hag shows your immaturity...why is it muslims believe 'everything that happens is the will of allah' LOL
do you
WHY is it muslims dont care about innocent children...we heard much NOISE over a teddy bear, but NEVER hear a sound re victims of islam
proudfemale 11 months ago
@proudfemale well i have to call you a hag if you make up such stupid remarks "will of Allah" and defaming my Prophet and such ive answered your question but it seems like, the only way you can go forward in this discussion is by repeating everything over again, lost for words i guess pathetic.
Khan12078 10 months ago 2
Meat of cow is permissible to eat in Islam. However, if it is tainted and or causes disease, then there is no sin to avoid it.
mubashir56 3 years ago
hey if you jerkoff to much can you have abnormall kids plz i need an answer plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ches706 3 years ago
no, but it weakens your reproductive and immune system among several other things. best it to wait after marriage
cnnpoll 3 years ago
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Good answer, this will also help slow/stop the spread of disease. You teach them!!!
jayr545 2 years ago 7
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yeah, you may have something to learn from that too
cnnpoll 2 years ago
alhamdulillah truth has been revealed to sane people who would read this thread. In your last post you have not only rejected Abu Dawood shareef (which, ahle hadees, sunni shia, barelvi, wahabi, hanbali, hanafi, maliki, shafi, or a person who doesnt belong to any school of thought also believes to be authentic hadees book of sihah satta) but you have insulted imam abu dawood and his compilation of ahadees.. a person who was from SALAF.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
Mr p0rtzer0 if you don't know what is Islam and do not want to learn please don't make stupid comments you have no right to declare some one kafar or murtid if you are that good why don't you come on you tube or on any tv channel in Pakistan to speak out.
Thanks
babur4u 3 years ago
secondly you said that i think that only i have understood Quran. If you can prove from my previous posts that i said that only i have understood Quran, then i would become zarkhareez ghulam of ghamidi. Third of all, if you knew what surah's i was talking about and you would have concerned about their mustanid tafseer -you wouldn't be saying phrase "without proof".
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
fourth of all, your last post clearly stated that you are totally illiterate about term "mustanid" therefor also about "sanad". But it's not a surprise, almost any person born in this era of kurb-e-qiyamah is insulting the Orthodox mustanid teachings of islam. Everything is already discussed and was revleaed 1400 yrs ago. But ignorant people try to fetch things by only knowing tits and bits of islam and leaving major teachings behind.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
Ask your ghamidi that mustanid tafseer of Quran is there since 1400 years.. but how come his tafseer of Quran is only 200+ years old ? was islam spread 200 years back or 1400 years back ? (P.S. first educate yourself about term "mustanid" and 'sanad')
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
Ghamdi is not an islamic scholar he is a laymen, because he rejects:
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alayhi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong
6. He says Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. He says that there is no concept of Veil in Islam.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
Don't be stereotype. Ghamidi speaks with references, if you are not agree with his findings then you have all the rights to give your arguments with refrences or remain silient.
By the way who cares that "you think" Ghamidi is not a scholar. People decide their self when Ghamidi talks with other contemporary scholars on TV programs.
amiryousuf 3 years ago 2
who said that "i think" Ghamdi is not a scholar. Every mustanid institution knows that he isn't. And you are talking about proves and evidence without understanding the tafseer of Surah al-imran, al-maida, and reading abu dawood (hadees shareef) -book of knowledge(kitab al-ilm).. which has evidence more then sufficient to declare any fitna like ghamdi as a fitnah!
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
You think that you are the only one who has understand the QURAN,Abu Dawood & Kitabul ilm? & i should think in the same manner as you do! Sorry.
You are at libirty to say Ghamidi as fitna without any proofs like your 'mustanid institutions' do. Infact after reading/listening the alligations of these "mustanid institutions" I started to read more about Ghamidi's teachings and become more convinced.
May ALLAH give him more courage to purify present-conventional Islamic teachings from culture.
amiryousuf 3 years ago 3
point number 6 is a flat out lie. point number 1 is a lie too. Ghamidi says that you won't apply Had to just about everything. Circumstances have to be considered aswell just as Hazrat Umar (rta) did.
I don't agree with him on point 5 or 9 only.
muhammadtaimur 2 years ago
madari2 is right.
mediabilal 3 years ago
Ghamdi is not an islamic scholar he is a laymen, because he rejects:
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alayhi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong
6. He says Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. He says that there is no concept of Veil in Islam.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
proves are very much needed , u must file up links and upload in ur account, i iwll help if u need but proves required and esseantial
madari2 3 years ago
just wait and watch.. i will provide you with more than proofs ..
give me some time .. wait for my mail.. it may take upto 24 hours..
i have feelings my efforts will go wasted but i sense sincerity in your 'jalal'.
thus i am putting my efforts hoping and praying to Allah that you will realise about his fitnah inshaAllah.
wait for my mail
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
i am here waitng for ur email,
madari2 3 years ago
Ghamdi is not an islamic scholar he is a laymen, because he rejects:
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alayhi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong
6. He says Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. He says that there is no concept of Veil in Islam.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
is ka prove le ler aao na logon ke samnay humaray samnay, take humain bhi pata lagaye, ye khali shoor machanay se kiya hasil hay
madari2 3 years ago
you are the one who is screaming, i have not encountered a single fan of ghamdi who "denies" these 9 or 13 plus statements ghamdi made. you are the only person i have faced so far ! go and check his videos and read comments of people.. everyone is saying they believe but they believe due to logical reasoning
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
islam main bina tasdeeq ke koi baat kehna gunnah hay
phir wohi bat , kisi cheez ka prove liye bina , kaisay mana jaye, agar is ne aisa sab kaha hay prove le aao take main bhi logon ko bataon ke is ko mat sunnay bulkay main is ke ghar ponhc jaon ga is ko uthanay wahan se agar is ne ye kah ahay lakin mujhey pehlay prove chaiye,
madari2 3 years ago
i meet hundred people like you on daily basis.. who first ask for evidence, and then they deny evidence as well.. and then they keep argue like insane blind people untill Allah guides them.. and untill then they remain astray !
if you are sincere you would educate yourself to know why "ULEMA-E-DEEN" are against him and these statements are true.. if you watch his videos carefully. |You are asking for proof. and proofs are there in the videos but you admit them not!
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
i will not deny evidence, will go to him with evidence , aur galay se pakkrain gaye but porve hona chaiye
madari2 3 years ago
ur email please
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
if u can bring the evidence to the ppl on you tube it will be big help for ppl, so i would recomend u dont allgate just bring the videos in which he is saying it all
madari2 3 years ago
like i said.. i was never in need of providing links to vidoes as everyone already know about his deception.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
i read many ulams i am not againstall them but majority is not fine, there are some who are well educated of worth ,
madari2 3 years ago
Ghamdi is not an islamic scholar he is a laymen, because he rejects:
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alayhi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong
6. He says Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. He says that there is no concept of Veil in Islam.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
Ghamdi is not an islamic scholar he is a laymen, because he rejects:
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alayhi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong
6. He says Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. He says that there is no concept of Veil in Islam.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
Ghamdi is not an islamic scholar he is a laymen, because he rejects:
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alayhi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong
6. He says Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. He says that there is no concept of Veil in Islam.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
this is got to be stupid, i myself has seen the video in which he CLEARLY says that "kyun kay tahajut aur qiyamul lail aik he hai" and combining them as same form of salah. Which any sane scholar wouldn't say no matter from which sect he belong (except of he is a Shia-rafzi.. which is obviously an exception).
p0rtzer0 3 years ago
Very simple and understandable and true, Thanks Ghamidi sahib. I wish our scholars could learn from you.
khan6915 3 years ago
Ghamdi is not an islamic scholar he is a laymen, because he rejects:
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alayhi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong
6. He says Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. He says that there is no concept of Veil in Islam.
p0rtzer0 3 years ago