Who is Mystery Babylon?

[lifeseeker51]

That's interesting, and it sounds right. Still, it is quite eurocentric. The maelstorm is in and surrounds the middle east. The center of which is Isreal. The issue there is and always has been about who's land Isreal is. The sons of Issac and Ishmael still are fighting over this,and now it appears to be drawing the whole world into the frey.Is the papacy the whore of babylon?Probably. Who hates the whore? Islam.Islam hates the whoe and her children.

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

It's spiritual and worldwide at the end of the world.

[lifeseeker51]

@daro2096 Well, we shall see. I'll check out the vid you attached.

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

What video did I attach?

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

Oh I just noticed what you mean.

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

Well I agree with that video 80% of it.

[lifeseeker51]

@daro2096 Again, we shall see.I can't count the vids I have seen, done by those that say they know who the whore of Babylon is and who the antichrist is. I'm shure it is all pure conjecture,with my view being just as likely as any. Certainly, something will occour, not to far into the future,that will set the stage for the end. Meanwhile,do the commandments Jesus gave us,and fear God not man.

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

That event you are waiting for has already occured I believe. 9/11

[lifeseeker51]

@daro2096 Yea,that qualifies. Now, think on this. There are many that say the harlot is the catholic church,and that the cabal that is bringing about the new world order has it's roots in that organization. The official line from the chuch is that carnal warfare is an evil to be avoided. But many Christian groups support the war on terror,which is against Islam,for all practicle purposes.

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

I believe the Roman Papacy is the whore and antichrist. The pure woman is in Revelation 12 and that chapter tells the story of God's people/church from the beginning to the end. The harlot church is the woman of Revelation 17. She has fallen daughters. The Bible calls her "Mystery Babylon, the great. The mother of harlots." The Bible says she is riding a beast, a beast is a king or kingdom(Dan. 7:17, 23). So a woman on a beast is church and state union with the church in control.

[lifeseeker51]

@daro2096 Western society definately is beastial these days, no doubt about it. Still, I doubt the followers of Islam nor the Jews of Isreal will accept let alone embrace rule by the vatican. Aside from them the rest of the world will most likely go along to get along. Like you though, I do believe there will be a marriage of church and state. I believe it will be overthrown by Islam.

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

Well technically they both already do wander after her through Sunday closing laws.

Islam will overthrow the armies of Rome. The ten kings overthrow the Papacy(or the woman) when they have done the will of God.

[lifeseeker51]

@daro2096 I doubt the sunday sabbath is as critical as some say. Whatever the case I don't attend church at all. I have seen that it is self serving and leads many astray. Man made with man made dogma and ritual. I believe a spiritual connection with Jesus is required for salvation. When one judges by the law,one is then also judged likewise. I doubt any can stand in that judgement.

[lifeseeker51]

@daro2096 9/11 was a catalist for the war on terror. The purpose of which is to destablise or completely destroy any Islamic nation. It stands to reason that the worshippers of Islam are aware of the churches complicity in this effort. Do they hate the church? Definately.

[daro2096]

@lifeseeker51

They may hate the church but they can not do anything unless God allows it to happen.

[lifeseeker51]

@daro2096 Again, it remains to be seen. I believe the war on terror is largely contrived and the deeds done in it are a great iniquity before God. Killing,murder,torture,and theft are not Christian activities. I do not think God will allow it to go unpunished. We reap what we sow.

[dwizkerz]

Babylon is not subject to observation according to Paul. It's works manifest through the unconscious. It's signature accusation is; 'all the blood ever shed is on her hands. Jesus used this accusation against Jerusalem. Wherever and whenever people are killed because they have chosen obedience to God, there is babylon manifest visibly. As an institution it remains hidden.

[daro2096]

@dwizkerz

Scripture reference?

[dwizkerz]

@daro2096 Thessalonians 2 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

Note that the source of the works of lawlesswness remains secret because it's revelation is held back. So the source and the man are not yet visible.

[daro2096]

@dwizkerz Please note it was secret in Paul's day.

[JezusSlave]

read but don`t interprete on your own because you don`t know how to do it, leave it for Jesus Church -Catholic Church if you like it or not.

1) The Babylon in Revelation in pagan Rome, which persecuted the Church

2) The woman on the beast, is Jewish Jerusalem, united with pagan Rome against the Church- Catholic Church!

Who is fighted and who is prosecuted? Protestant or Catholic Church? If you are honest and really looking for the true you should know the answer.

[daro2096]

@JezusSlave

What? You mean the same church that is responsible for the deaths of at least 100 million Christians and others who refused to obey the pope?

I don't think I need to be lectured by this paganised church.

[JezusSlave]

@daro2096 I meant the only Church that is responsible for protection of unborn life, weak and seak. Check better how many protestants and liberal atheists killed in all wars, revolutions including unborn. And who is being killed nowadays in Asia. It`s not the true what you saying about killing. Give me your historic source about these numbers! Do you include killed at wars Asians who wanted dominate all Europe and world with muslim faith?

[daro2096]

@JezusSlave

Have you read Fox's book of martyrs?

[daro2096]

@JezusSlave

"100 million? are you joking? 1million is too much."

Look JezusSlave don't PM me again. Fox's Book of Martyrs was written by someone who saw what happened in person.

Fact: The Inquisition happened and the present pope was the head of this organisation before he became pope.

Fact: The Dark Ages happened. Only someone without a competent knowledge of history would deny what you are saying.

Fact: If you refused to obey the pope during the Dark Ages you were burned at the stake.

[dwizkerz]

All the blood ever shed on earth is on her hands. This verse leads to the woman who's hand is responsible for the shedding of blood since the beginning. In your sight her spots and wrinkles may not be removed. But be removed they must for the first son in his father's image to come.

[daro2096]

Thank you for your comment.

[daro2096]

@dwizkerz

Sorry the comment I sent you earlier was meant for someone else.

[pooky1186]

GREAT JOB DARO2096!

[daro2096]

I disagree with you, Hosea.