pt 1, New World evidence for The Book of Mormon

[leeuniverse]

I never have agreed with his view on Quetzalcoatl. Reason being is because no one is saying that he "is" the BOM great white god, only that there are corollaries, that the BOM story & the Quetzalcoatl story have mixed together through cultures, history, etc. Same why the existence of Creation Myths before Genesis was written doesn't mean the Genesis story is actually made up, false, or a repeating of the other myths. The story existed from the beginning, just changed over time & culture.

[satyrisisxxx]

i was always interested in the history of the americas .a long time ago i was watching a very old documentary about some explorers traveling deep in the peruvian jungle, and they found this tribe practicly isolated from the modern world and one of the explorers asked the chief of the tribe, a very old man,"in what do you believe, what is your religion"and his aswer was"our god once came to visit us ,did wonderful things then he went back to heaven and promised us that 1 day he will return"

[theonlyEYEBROWKING]

I only believe in reading the Bible and so should you. i use to be mormon they are good people but according to Galations chapter 1 God revealed to me it was time to go. Mormonism is another Gospel not the One preached. Joseph Smith at the church i was going to got all the Glory instead of Jesus. No Church is perfect but with them they want you to study the Book of Mormon,Doctrine and Covenant and the Pearly Gates. At that church the Bible was bearly spoked about.

[Zeno1217]

On the Book of Mormon, the miracles, the appearance of Christ, and some other things MUST be based on faith, just like in the Bible. However, we at least know that in the Bible, there is a Megido, or a River Jordan, or a City of David. I read the BoM, and really want to believe in it, and wish there was physical evidence to prove it, but as of now, theres barely a shred compared to the Bible (Physical Evidence speaking).

[pilottim79]

Well, that being said no one can prove that Christ even lived of existed. The Bible and BoM both need faith to really believe in them. Neither will ever be "prooven" as this is God's design. Otherwise we wouldn't need faith.

[macaghobhain]

@Zeno1217 I can show you where Joseph Smith received his first vision, where the Angel Moroni visited him in his parents' home, the place in the Kirtland temple where he and Sidney Rigdon saw the vision that led to D&C 76, the cell in Liberty Jail where he received several revelations, etc. Do you find that of evidential value concerning the reality of those visions?

[davidmcaba]

@macaghobhain I can show you many locations where people claim to have been abducted by UFOs and bodily probed.  Should I believe them?

[macaghobhain]

@davidmcaba That's kind of my point. People (read @Zeno1217) try to claim that the fact we know a few locations where Bible events took place proves the Bible is true, then try to condemn the Book of Mormon because we don't have any definite New World locations. I am trying to demonstrate that knowing a location is poor evidence that a given event occurred there as well as exposing the double standard.

[Zeno1217]

@macaghobhain Indeed, your correct. Location and Geography, as I understand it now, is merely a pixel on the entire picture of a religion and it's scriptures. Thanks to my understanding of that (And the logic of a divine being in general), I'm now an athiest.

[Zeno1217]

@macaghobhain Since my last commit, I have lost my religious faith. But as I said, the Bible's locations are accurate. The Book of Mormon's events may have indeed happened. Joseph Smith may have been a prophet. Logically, it's unlikely that either is true, and to assume on faith alone or geography alone is rather silly. There is a base on "Area 51", but I doubt aliens visit it. I'd love to believe in both or either texts...but to do so on faith alone, I'm afraid, seems ridiculous to me.

[THELDSLIFE]

And even when faith is the principal idea behind "believing in these ancient prophets and their prophecies, it is nice to have actual PROOF

The naysayers like unto Laman and Lemuel couldn't have faith even after angels witnessed to them so Archeology ALONE is not enough either.

[explorelds]

To shut the critics up, FAIR should look to collaborate more with scholars outside the faith, and extend it's peer review to them as much as possible.

[TheBackyardProfessor]

FAIR shuts critics up on a lot of information anyway.......GRIN!

[spidermaniam]

I'm excited to hear the rest of the parts of this. I find mesoamerican archeology very interesting, and am excited to hear about Book of Mormon evidences you have found or verified.

[fairldsorg]

You may be interested in viewing our Mesoamerica and The Book of Mormon playlist.

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[TrueChurchLDS]

i'm trying to get link, but it's not working. could you send it to me by mail, please?

[gurumagoo]

Book of Mormon evidences is pretty far fetched concept, seeing as how there isn't the slightest bit of imperical evidence for any of it. Sorry if that annoys you, but that's just the way it is. There is not one single respected archeologist anywhere who supports anything contained in the BOM. That's just a fact you need to get used to.

[11nx]

far fetched?? dont u listen. its not a mormon thing but an evidence thing. get this rite dude. how did hebrew get all the way to middle of american continent. (e.g. ur not saying that the spanish language became part of philopeno language by chance). so some1 went there from arond the middle east to middle america. if that is not evidence than ther is no helpin a confused person. and list goes on. btw im not biased to mormons but evidence is evidence.

[CredoEtUnumDeum]

You are right, gurumagoo. There is absolutely no empirical evidence for the BoM.

[WayneTheWriter]

If you were given SEVERAL evidences of Book of Mormon, you won't believe it anyway. No differences. There ARE evidences of Jesus Christ, and guess what? Millions doesn't beleve in Him. The problem is...you have issues with God not Mormons. There's no evidence of the Bible either.

[archaeologyprof]

The scholarly approach has done considerably more in establishing the historicity of the Book of Mormon than the wishful thinking approach ever did.

[THELDSLIFE]

I agree... however blessed are they who have "NOT" seen and yet believe... its a trial of one's faith. No one has seen the Savior, Jesus Christ while living yet many choose to have faith in him.

[canadianbacon007]

Convergence, sort of like landmarks concurring with literature. IE, A valley with a stream running through it, near where it should be, a burial ground located near where it's namesake is, or a description of a course taken which leads to an actual place, which is described in a text written more than likely before that place was ever known to it's describer. Historical literature is what I call that.

[omiolo1]

"if it was a plenty ruin it was Nephite, if it was an ugly ruin it was lamanite"

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