DADT Hearing (2/2/10) John McCain Opening Statement

[Gelli889]

What a NASTY McCAIN.... After 10 years, people would treat him on this issue as "Joker" lol he's so hypocrite and bigot...to the fullest, so sad he has a place on our Congress!

[malkneil]

I think Bob Dylan said it best:

" . . . your old road is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand. 'Cus the times, they are a-changing"

[GretchenDawntreader]

McCain is such a tard.

"I'm against ending DADT but will go with recommendations of top brass."

(Top brass recommends ending DADT)

"I'm still against ending DADT."

Way to straight-talk, idiot.

[nossful]

@GretchenDawntreader

The top brass (Peter Pace) before Admiral Mullen supported DADT very much so. I guess this means that you would have supported DADT when he was "top brass." I have a feeling that you would come up with some reason to disagree with Pace. I think that deep down you are against DADT no matter what the "top brass" says. DADT makes it possible for gays to serve in the military. What exactly is the problem?

[Xenodamus]

J. D. Hayworth will win the nomination.

[1000Patriot]

"Don't ask, don't tell", will not be repealed. McCain, and over 1,000 agreeing former military officers, will testify during the next year and of course, the leading House Democrat on military policy, Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.), said that he opposes repealing the law that bans openly gay people from serving in the military.

Those who support it will be voted out of office along with all the democrats who supported ObamaCare. The majority of voting Americans do not support homosexual behavior.

[notquitegenius]

The majority of americans (69%) support repealing don't ask don't tell. This isn't about supporting homosexual behavior. It's about not having laws prohibiting gay and lesbian soldiers from serving openly.

[yabruf]

@notquitegenius

That is exactly what it is about. By letting them serve openly you are acknowledging their deviant behavior as normal. Not sure were you got your poll from but in 2009 a Military Times poll determined that nearly 1 in 10 of those currently serving would not re-enlist if the policy were repealed. Our armed services could not afford that kind of reduction especially now during two wars. The left & Obama loathe the military and could care less if it effects them negatively or not.

[xzrhsb]

@yabruf Is deviant a relative or absolute term? 

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

Well that would depend on your world view. If your outlook on life is wrong to begin with then deviancy may be viewed by you as relative to a person's situation or possibly upbringing. But if you have the correct world view which would be in accordance with God's moral law then that is easy, deviance is absolute.

[xzrhsb]

@yabruf. Your response left me with at least a few questions, but I feel most importantly,---how do you know if you have the correct interpretation of what --"God's moral law" -- is?

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

Well personally I believe common sense has allot to do with it. I also believe we all inherently know right from wrong which was instilled in us by our creator which some may refer too as a conscience. With that said I believe by faith that I have God's word because he has revealed it to me. This belief is reaffirmed on a daily bases by my interactions with people and their experiences and because of the state of the world we live in.

[xzrhsb]

@yabruf some historians might hold it was --common sense-- that the world was flat, that it was --common sense --that everything revolved around the earth, that a black man was considered 3/5 ths of a man, that is was morally ok to have slaves in the USA, it was --common sense --blacks and whites should not marry, ( America being at least 90% Christian at the time) and those Christians believed --God revealed his word to them. Is common sense always the correct / accurate / right sense?

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

Ah my common sense coupled with mans conscience was what I replied with and that was only to your question pertaining to God’s moral law. But I will answer your examples:

Flat earth- This is commonly known as a historical illusion. Most educated people of the middle ages, both Christian and non Christian, believed the earth to be a sphere. This old historical lie was more recently told by an atheist named Andrew D. White that had an axe to grind with his book:

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

“In The Warfare of Science With Theology”. Most legitimate historians have long dismissed him and his historical fallacies. Common sense wins, but this example is amoral and is not a fair comparison. Earth center of solar system- There are no claims of a geocentric universe made in the bible. At certain times in history people have been labeled heretics by the Catholic church for claiming that the earth revolved around the sun. But in those days heresy was anything the church didn’t

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

like or agree with and often had little if anything to do with biblical truth. In Galileo’s time a geocentric solar system was largely accepted by the scientific community. This fallacy was believed by the majority and not only Christians, but only because they lacked the advanced equipment to prove heliocentricity, Common sense loses and this example is also amoral and is not a fair comparison. 3/5ths compromise- This is a great example of the common sense of only part of the

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

population which ignored their conscience to exact evils on a particular people group. In the northern states this was not considered common sense like it was in the south. Much like today some might say abortion is not killing a human and that it is common sense because it’s legal. But allot of people including myself see it for what it is, murder, and contrary to not only common sense but science as well. Common sense wins when coupled with the conscience.

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

Slavery- Another moral evil minus the conscience. Allot of people dealt with it by ignoring the atrocities that took place during slavery and bought into the atheistic lie of evolution that justified this inhuman and barbaric event in our history. Common sense wins when coupled with the conscience.Interracial marriage- There was a recent incident a few months back in Louisiana where a judge would not give a interracial couple there marriage license. The judge was a racist plain and

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

simple and had nothing to do with common sense. Go back 50 years and it was the same way just on a larger scale.

You do not know their hearts so you cannot know if they followed God’s revealed word without conflicting with their conscience. Also you shouldn’t assume one is Christian just because they are religious. I have come to find out that the more religious a person is the less likely there are a Christian.

[xzrhsb]

@yabruf Also, I respect a person that serves our country --Unconditionally--. The USA and our allies should be reluctant to allow into the military , those who only continue to serve --Conditionally. Its troublesome enough allowing -Followers of Jesus -to serve openly. Knowing statistically , there will be x amount of collateral damage, including pregnant women, as they follow commands to serve our great country .  At anytime they could decide to conscientiously object.

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

Here you try to portray homosexuality as the norm and label those who serve in our military as intolerant if they are unwilling to compromise their morals. So if a female soldier refuses to share her barracks room with a male soldier is she also serving conditionally? What if a Marine threatens to leave the military if doesn’t keep quiet about a gang rape he witnessed; I guess he is serving conditionally to, right? In both of these real life incidents the two above refused to compromise

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

what was clearly a moral wrong. Christians serving openly? I beg to differ. It is extremely hard to hold to Christian values in the military. You can count on daily peer pressure to embrace the vices of the world and turn your back on your faith. I know this from experience. Whereas being an “out” homosexual was comical and ignored by the commanding officers. At least this was the case where I was stationed. So I find your argument lacking credibility, since I have first hand knowledge.

[xzrhsb]

@yabruf Who knows? perhaps they (followers of Jesus) have been the cause of some , if not all battles lost ? 

[yabruf]

@xzrhsb

I don’t know what you are basing this on other then your evident hatred of Christianity. If I were you I would try to keep my emotions out of it and stick to keeping the facts separate from the propaganda.

[lisztnut]

I would think that the military would want the "best" and the "brightest." This means that not allowing gays in the military means that they must settle for the "worst" and the "dumbest." No wonder we can't win the wars we're in now... If gays had been allowed to serve openly, I have no doubt we would have been in a better position than we're in today...

[rjs0416]

John McCain is unnecessary. The language of DADT is sufficient enough to prove fear-based discrimination. The 'creative' use of the word 'practicing', 'attempt to marry', 'engage in homosexual acts' is horribly perverted and simply mean-spirited.

For one who honors gay men and women at arms while simultaneously placing such an ignorant restriction on their private lives is nasty, unnecessary, baroque, and simply insulting to both gay men and women at arms and America as a whole.

[gllafc]

Who cares what this has-been has to say? He should just retire already and look for a good old-folks home.

[1000Patriot]

McCain is spot on, regarding this issue. The 2008 Military Times poll is clear. Approximately sixty-percent of our active duty troops (60%) do NOT want "Don't ask, don't tell" policy repealed. Many of our troops stated that they will reconsider military careers if the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy is repealed. One thousand former military officers agree with Senator McCain.

[tommary62]

You are incorrect. Most of the troops have said the do not CARE at all and have no issues with gays serving openly. Only the most prejudiced are afraid of it, which shows their ignorance. This is just a high-rank bunch of crap from old men who feel their power slipping away.

[cbrey200]

@1000Patriot If certain troops reconsider their military careers because DADT is repealed that's their problem. Lots of gay and lesbians who have served in the military have not violated any unit cohesion and yet they have been discharged for the sole reason of their sexuality. How is that fair? It's not like gays and lesbian are constantly thinking about sex and what about the heterosexual activity too? There is plenty of that going on and no one seems to make an issue of that.

[Xenodamus]

To the troops that have a problem with non-straight servicemembers, they can take this direct quote from Rumsfeld: "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

[StellaOmega]

The SPARTAN army was chock full of homosexuals.

[Alexodia]

@StellaOmega

So was the Roman army.

They both even had totally dedicated units of Gays based on the sheer fact they thought lovers would fight harder for one another. So what happened

Sparta led the Greek Armies to Persia's defeat. Rome conquered a substantial bit of the Known world at the time.

besides improving on Ackerman put it. The moment the enemy realizes our weakness to gays they will deploy a vast army of them and the Brass will order a retreat for fear of contamination.

[homerth]

He doesn't really care about this. He is scared he will lose the upcoming primary to J. D. Hayworth, so he has to appear super conservative. I am so sick of this useless carpetbagger representing me.

[Hdtexan]

Doddering old fool. GO change your depends...You are SO full of SHIT!