Salvation is the Work of MAN! - Charles Grandison Finney

[fothgt]

I came from a ministry that had altar calls. It was bad. One summer my pastor had a tent revival. It was terrible. When the summer was over he went to church on a Sunday morning. One of the elders met him before he went in the church. He said pastor it's bad. Pastor said why? We have no where to sit, the building is packed. Terrible. Souls getting saved, healed, delivered and set free. We dont need that. Bible school 500 members. Forget it, give me 12 disciples and not 500, 1st Corinthians 15.

[ghostnoteus]

Of course the Calvinists are still incensed at Charles G. Finney... during the hyper-Calvinistic period he lived in, he was a serious threat to their theology.

[thirdimpact]

@ghostnoteus ...Or maybe genuine Christians wanted REAL converts and not false converts. As a former false convert, I shutter every time I see an alter call.

[ghostnoteus]

I've read Charles Finney's sermons and stories of his revivals. If we throw a microscope over every single preacher and ministry I'm sure you'll find a lot worse than Finney. I find it strange that Kielar criticizes him so fiercely, but if Finney where to be alive and preaching in today's society, America would not be ready. Just read his writings and think for yourself. You have every right to doubt the claims of Kielar and have the heart of a Berean.

[Darth3456]

Calvinism, and Lutheranism are actually relatively modern compared to their origins.

The early church struggled against the father of all of these heresies. The early fathers condemned these doctrines and smashed their adherents with the scriptures.

The originator of Calvin and Luther is Marcion, who held the epistles of Paul above the words of Jesus, all of the OT, and the 12 apostles of Jesus. Mark Kielar is betting his soul on the epistles of Paul, the early church bet on only on Jesus.

[Fgsltw316]

John 6:53 Eat my flesh, drink my blood taken out of context makes Jesus a cannibal! Lying Reformests don't tell you that there IDOLS, yes IDOLS, Luther and Calvin hated God's "Chosen" people the Jews. Calvin said, "I have had much conversation with many Jews: I have never seen either a drop of piety or a grain of truth or ingenuousness—nay, I have never found common sense in any Jew." The Calvin Handbook page 146 These slandering hypocrites have such poor grounds that they have to tell lies!!

[singingcowboy674]

God will eventually draw ALL men, women, boys and girls who sit under the drippings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. But one cannot simply take it upon himself to respond to the gospel. It isn't something that you choose. It chooses you. There is appointed to man a time for him/her to come to the full knowledge and fellowship of the Lord Jesus Christ by His grace. We cannot repent truly until such a time. And if we rush it, we can be mislead for it is of no avail.

[singingcowboy674]

The whole premise of the idea Finney was in error of was the fact that most evangelists today make responding to the gospel a carnal decision to follow Christ and that it is most assuredly the your personal decision to follow Him that makes the difference.

The error is that you have to be DRAWN first. Not drawn of a preacher, but drawn of the Holy Spirit. It's that supernatural realization that you are a sinner. Not brought about by man, but of the Holy Spirit working in your heart.

[fothgt]

@singingcowboy674 in response per your comments of Finney we should understand that Finney was dealing with a largely Christian audience. That was why they called the region he ministered in the "burned over" region. Full of Christian religion, but no real change of heart. His task was to "turn over the hardened religious heart." Is not that what John the Baptist did? Or at least tried to do? Finney's allies like Donald Dayton and Winkie Pratney saw the effectiveness of his ministry.

[mysty0]

Lane., I wanna thank you for bringing this man to my attention. I may not agree with him 100% but even the points I do disagree with are trivial.., it is very rare for myself as an admitted critic of preachers to give a preacher this credit and I never would have known of him if not for you. Again., thank you!

[Zonnyzevens]

Too bad you never read "Revival Lectures" not lectures on revival. Finney did not preach salvation through the Alter Call, but salvation through faith and deep repentance. There are always nay sayers, you probably have a few.

"Easy as Pie evangelism" you really should read a book before you crtitique it.

"Salvation is the work of Man, How shall they hear without a preacher? Your taking things out of context. Why? Are you making a name for yourself as the man who debunked Charles Finney?

[theocratickingdom30]

@Zonnyzevens: He is extremely accurate. Finney states in Lecture one, "A revival is not a miracle according to another definition of the term "miracle" - something above the powers of nature. There is nothing in religion beyond the ordinary powers of nature. It consists entirely in the right exercise of the powers of nature. It is just that, and nothing else...

[theocratickingdom30]

@Zonnyzevens: (continued from my previous post) When mankind become religious, they are not enabled to put forth exertions which they were unable before to put forth. They only exert powers which they had before, in a different way, and use them for the glory of God."

There is nothing in that remotely biblical.

[tigerlilly66]

Kielar cites a number of sources, NONE of which is the Word of God! Am I the only one who has noticed this telling item? He has a point about false professions, of which there are no doubt many, but is the "process" at fault because of bogus conversions? Is the genuine made false by the counterfeit? To accuse Finney of teaching "1-2-3 easy-as-pie evangelism" is patently unfair. Does not Matthew 7 clearly teach that MANY do not obtain eternal life, while FEW there be that find true salvation?

[lionsclaw75]

So whats your point ?i find nothing wrong with alter calls ,its only the beginning on your way to your choice of excepting Jesus as lord..

[VictorLepanto]

This fatuous & grossly tendencious. I can find quotes from Martin Luther very much like what is quoted of Finney here. People have talked about the Calvinist influenced regions of Europe being "burnt out" in much the same way. Arminius himself began his teaching in response to the religious indifference Calvinism had brought to Holland. This is just Calvinist smug self satisfaction.

[Folopius]

THere will aways be some Doctor( in this case theology) saying that new is bad. As i remember Jesus was accused for coming with news from the lord, and that lead to his death( that and the fact he made some people lose money.) .

[CBALLEN]

Many Arminians teach that every person alive has a check for salvation signed by Jesus,and that they can cash it anytime they want.This may sound good,but it's not the Gospel.Many also teach ,that the ELECT means that God's voting for you and the Devil's voting against you,but you cast the deciding vote.Another false analogy.

[CBALLEN]

Too many people think that they can go to God and demand salvation,even though the Bible tells us that no one can come to Jesus unless the Father calls them.All those who are called will indeed come and be saved.Salvation is of the Lord and no one else.

[HermitintheRain]

@ CBALLEN Amen to that! Paul gave a perfect example of how it is God's will and not man's will that does the saving. When Paul spoke of Esau seeking a place of repentance but could not find it, though he sought it carefully with tears (Heb 12:17). Even repentance therefore is shown to be a gift of God. Even in the days of Moses, after the curse to wander in the desert for 40 years; they tried to overturn God's decry by repenting of unbelief and cowardice, but it was without success.

[parisreidhead]

if what this video is saying is true at all

i have read a portion of revival fire, and thought it was amazing and dealt like all great books on the heart of man and called for true transformation, if something happened later to make him say or do things mentioned here I do not know. Do not compare finney to these horrible fake preachers like purpose driven life guys, swaggarts preach truth and bently doesnt , what in the world is going on here, bless you all , peace and happy new year

[curvalecce]

Nor does Finney seem to have repented from the destruction he spread, even though his close followers were well aware of it. Did he know then the Tilmans, Swaggarts and Bentleys that would come after him, feeding on the flock he was leaving without defence?

God is All-mighty. Grace comes ONLY through His will, and NEVER by mere human choice. This message may be hard to swallow, but it is the message of Scripture.

[danieljdick]

Finney addressed the issues people had with "new measures" in his revival lectures. I believe he brought up the point that Jesus rarely used the same "method" twice, for example, to heal. This is not the same as introducing new doctrine or new theology as Calvin and Augustine did implying God's grace is not sufficient and that God punishes one person for another person's (Adam and Eve's) sins. Calvin's rendition of scripture leaves a twisted inconsistent mess. Finney's doesn't.

[yastunt]

"Salvation is of (Yahweh)" in Jonah is referring to "salvation" from physical danger.

[danieljdick]

I've read Finney's materials for a number of years. The notion that "Salvation is the work of man" is not accurately representative of Finney's Theology. He enumerated multiple participants in salvation. God provided Jesus, Jesus paid the price, the Holy Spirit calls, the Gospel saves the person, a person prays, a person shares the Gospel, and the person repents and accepts salvation. But without Jesus salvation would be impossible. You seemed to imply he taught otherwise.

[aerycksmusic]

So what is the deal with people hammering down on Finney like this. I remember once mentioning to a Baptist Bible College teacher, while I choose some veggies in the Market that I was really enjoying reading about Finney, and the look of horror on his face and what he said really bummed me out big time. From the sound of things, he sounds decidedly Calvinistic, not that Calvin is the measure for surely Scripture is our rule of faith. Mmm?

[bereansearch]

Whatever kind of Jesus you win them with, you will have to keep them with. Whatever kind of circus act you draw them with, you'll have to keep them with. You can be man centered or God centered. You can say God what is your way. Or you can say I've got a better new way.

"You can't say, God is great, and I'm witty at the same time."

[bereansearch]

So the focus of preaching who God is, what man is, how bad sin is, and the necessity for the true godly sorrow or a once and for all repentance that continues through life, and childlike faith in Christ alone and nothing else, was turned over to the NEW way of saving souls. Sinners prayers, altar calls, time clocks, and confessions without pointing out that the evidence of the confession was their fruit... In comes, the "carnal Christian", who is really no Christian at all.

[bereansearch]

Finney was not a synergist, (or Arminian,) he was a Pelagian. And this is the doctrine of pelagianism based on a internet encyclopedia: the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid.

So no need for the Holy Spirit's work to change a man's heart during the preaching of God's word. No need for the call of God. Just an open invitation to decide. In comes... DECISIONISM. Decide to be born again?

[bereansearch]

The problem with Finney IS NOT his belief in the free will of man. The problem is that he thought he could influence the free will of man with methods and means outside of the biblical example, and instead of relying on the preaching of the Word, benches, time clocks, and emotional manipulation was used to "hurry things up" and church services became the new theater, where the audience was incorporated into the acts on the stage.

[simple475]

where is the reference of this quote of Charles Finney, LaneCH?

I would like to have a link to this actual quote by him.

I don't disagree this man was a heretic, but you have been exposed for outright lies once again, LaneCh.

[LaneCh]

And just what "lies" are you referring to?

[bibletheology]

Finney taught that salvation was the forgiveness of God and the transformation of the Spirit. But man's choice to repent is a condition of salvation. While Finney taught that repentance was the free will choice of man, he also taught that repentance was brought about by the influence of the Spirit.

[APSOC38]

That's pure synergism right there. Not only that, but notice "Finney taught" 2X, not "the Bible teaches". There's quite a difference there.

[bibletheology]

You can read what the Bible says about synergism and against monogism at LibraryofTheology (dot)com

[APSOC38]

Oh, I should have known. That website belongs to your buddies John McGlone and Kerrigan Skelly. That's not what many of us would consider to be an objective source whatsoever.

You're better off looking up Monergism and Synergism in the Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, which is edited by Walter A. Elwell. This is a much more objective source than the source that you referenced.

[APSOC38]

I would have responded sooner had my email alerted me that you finally posted a response to my comments. Sometimes, YT doesn't always alert me that someone has replied to one of my comments, and I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. That was completely out of my hands.

[APSOC38]

Why am I not surprised that, when I put up a comment that was just stating the fact that I was not alerted to someone reply to my comments, that I would get a thumbs down? Could it be because it came from those MGT/Open Theism types?

I shall count myself blessed for being persecuted...

[APSOC38]

Jesse, in all seriousness, it looks like you place more stock in what Finney said over what Scripture teaches about regeneration and repentance.

[APSOC38]

Jesse, are you going to reply to anything I said here, or was this posting of yours on this video a "drive by"?

[RMCDisciple]

I believe that Billy Graham once said he'd be surprised if 5% of those who, responded to one of his alter calls, and made a decision to follow Christ were still in the body today.

[vladiator34]

If he said that, why didn't he change his message, to one that Spoke the Truth of the Bible? I'm not doubting your statement, i'm not understanding why doesn't He, Billy, make a loud statement heard across the world about the wrongness of his doctrine, and then preach the Truth of the Gospel?

[Drtomterrific]

. . .to measure just WHAT that is in any and all situations. Meaning one can NEVER know if one is fulfilling his moral obligations. This error will leave anyone attempting to live this standard of "the highest good" floundering around in a fugue of indefinable guilt and shame. As bad as that is, I do not believe Finney is totally to blame. He was an astonishing man of unmatched intellect and in all my research I don't know of anyone who has defined his error as clearly as I just have.

[ocpud2999]

ok I am giving a finney text tell me if you think it is heretical if so why? if not explain why

1. Not the literal execution of the penalty; for if so, it must necessarily fall on the sinner; and on no one else. Besides, it could be no gain to the universe for Christ to suffer the full and exact penalty due to every lost sinner who should be saved by him. The amount of suffering being the same in the one case as in the other, where is the gain?

[Drtomterrific]

I cut my teeth on Finney and still consider him one of the most brilliant theologians who ever lived. But he had his errors (not heresies) and I have endeavored to discover just what they were and why. The most grievous? He used key words WITHOUT defining a clear metric. What do I mean? One of his most powerful terms was to say that all moral creatures are under obligation to will the highest good of being. If you think about that, it's pretty good. The problem? He NEVER gives us any means. . .

[ocpud2999]

And yet, further, if the administration of justice is to be retributive, then it cannot fall on Christ, and must fall on the sinner himself. If not retributive, it certainly may be, as compared with that due the sinner, far different in kind and less in degree.

I will let the people who read this decide whether or not this is heretical. if you want the full article send me a message. There is only so much you can say in the comments.

[tylerzackmcnell]

6,666 views...

[Bibletouchstone]

who cares, tylerzackmcnell?

[Bigfurry1975]

I really agree with what createdby Creator said about the "Way of the Master " series,very "LAW" based indeed. I agree that God's law should be used, but not to beat somebody over the head with. I truly wonder how many people came to true faith and repentance through their method. How do they know the person who they witnessed to didn't just mouth a prayer to get them(Ray C. and Kirk C.)of their backs? The method I prefer is relational evangelism.

[ocpud2999]

For people who defend Finney. Read his unabridged systematic theology. You will be shocked. If people were regenerated it was despite Finney's preaching not because. There are people who come to Christ through bad teaching but typically leave the church for more solid food. I know from personal experience.

[APSOC38]

I've heard alot of this going on at Saddleback in SoCal. People were regenerated at Rick Warren's church in spite of his false teachings, and left to get the REAL meat and potatoes.

[dailysuicide]

hmmm...i'm going to study more about finney before i make my mind up entirely. but i'm still not going to cast stones against anyone. Let's preach the FULL GOSPEL! but not join any denomination. "a broken clock is still correct twice a day." - Adrena Anderson

[simplydannygirl]

One last thing. I know you are too dishonest to post any of my comments.

You won't speak out against the Church of Rome, you rather go on about "predestination, regeneration, and election." But most people are not theological students. How can they be saved. Finney used the Word of God and much Prayer.Finney was gentle and he did not waste his time arguing with the Baptist and Calvinist.He invited many place and worked tireously to win souls. Without love you are making noise. Who can be saved

[LaneCh]

"I know you are too dishonest to post any of my comments."

Yes, it seems that you appear to know a lot of things that are false. Please, continue to speak. It's certainly proving our case.

[simplydannygirl]

Well, thank you for allow me to disagree with you. But, I proved nothing that was "false". I have Finney's writtings. He was neither a Peligarist or Arch Heritic. And to say or teach this a new generation so so wrong. It is not true. I do not want to call you liars. But it is not true. Any why go on and on about Finney, this very good man. Today they false decivers are turning the people to newage, other gods and want to hijack the Church. What has Finney to with it? These are Arch Heritics.

[simplydannygirl]

Finney never denied the Lord. Or His (Christ) Atoning Sacrifice. Finney never told stories and made up fluff for his hears. He never made the Gospel about himself. He was long long winded preacher of Christ.

We may disagree. But we need to be biblical and loving about it. I wholly disagre with you about Finney and can prove what I say. I hate to see a good Christian put down and blamed for todays problems when it is simply not true. But thank you and God Bless.

Danny!

[hylo111]

No one can say they are saved, no one. Any one that says their beliefs will get them into heaven are liars. We need to humble ourselves to God, and accept that even if we are not chosen we must give praise to our Lord. Thats the truth. Only God see us for what we really are, I cant say you or I are saved, we are not God and saying so is blasphamous

[JTTNMinistries]

That is a lie. We CAN know we are saved.

Romans 8:16

If the Holy Spirit is not testifying to your heart that you are saved then know this: You know not God.

Repent and believe the Gospel!

[Vaekkrinhart]

"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life."

1John5:13

[simplydannygirl]

Finney never denied the Lord. He was long winded. He would pose a question then go on and on. Then answer his own question. So you took him and his friends out of context.

[simplydannygirl]

You guys are cowardly to hide behind this video and not post my comments.You take these shots at Finney.He can not defend himself You have no love. Rick Warren and Bill Hybels and rest of the emergent purpose driven decievers.They are the Arch Heritics.But you are almost best friend with the Devil, to call a righteous soul winner like Finney a Hertic and use your Pulpit to Preach against him instead of the need to save the lost sinners. Who cares about the past,and you are wrong! What about now?

[simplydannygirl]

The Wwork or "man" you Finney said, Was the scripture. To work out our salavtion with fear and trembling. To offer ourselves as living sacrifices, which is our reasonable service. So we do play a role in our own salvation. Not that we save ourselves, but as the 1,4, 10 talents Christ gives use we are to produce. This is cowardly and malicous thing. Who can be saved with you prideful dishonest, unloving hyper Calvanist? Who can be saved. How we do reach the masses? You rather argue sematics.

[simplydannygirl]

It is so ungodly to compare and say Charles Finney is like Rick Warren and Bill Hybels. Hybels and Warren are Heritics. Finney never denied the Lord or preach another Gospel.

Now you teach the younger generation who did not actually read anything Finney that was some kind of Heritc. You guys have become lies. With out revival. Who what where how many Christians would there be today.

Finney used "stories?" I have his writing and His Auto Biography. You right out lie on Finney. You are Ungodly.

[simplydannygirl]

1)It is ungodly to malign a Christian that God God used to bring many souls to Christ. Finney did not invent what you call thelter call". Finney was humble evengelist. Many saints were already praying for a revival in the Land. Finney was just a instrument. Finney did not invent revival. God did. You have no love. If not for the Evangelist who would preach the word and refresh? How can they hear with out a precaher, You guys have no love. You rather argue about regeneration.

[Seeeemji]

Finney stated that a person could not be justified with any sin in their life. If any part of that person's heart was in disobedience at all he stated...then God was unable to forgive that, even if they were unaware of it. They had to repent according to finney and do their first works over after every instance of sin. If you have an evil thought then you would be separated from God until you ask him to forgive you. If you miss the mark in any way you start at square one. Love keeps no record

[simplydannygirl]

It is lie and ungodly. These guys have many times called Finney a Arch Heretic and said he has denied the Anotning sacrifice. This not true, And do not like calling anyone a liar. But I have tons of finney writings. He poses question diagnose them, then answers them. His lectures are long then his sermons. It is almost eveil to talk against a well, know until you guys started calling him heritc, Evangelist. This has everything to do with Revival. Many Calvaist and Baptist hate the word.

[simplydannygirl]

Besides, does these men. Have nothing better to do. Then go back to past and passionately blame Charles Finney for the Church today. And we do play a role in our own salvation is a way. It not we save ourselves. But Christ. But are work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Finney was not considered a Heritic in his day. But many Baptist opposed him. I imagine because Finney spoke out against Calvinism and FreeMasonry. Finney was dangerous man to the Devil in his day. God Bless anyway!

[cgvtv]

Well said. This is typical of Calvinism at its worst. They even call John Wesley, a man undoubtably used by God, a heretic! The Arminian/ Calvinist debate has raged for centuries, but to brand a godly man like Finney a heretic is laughable. "Wisdom is justified of her children." Luke 7:35

[AllForYeshua]

Acts 8:15-17who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Ghost.(For as yet, He had fallen upon none of them,for they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus).Then they laid their hands on them,and they received the Holy Ghost.

Error isn't in going before the elders of the church nor in the numbers of those who continue on in the Lord. As we see in the parable of the sower, only 1/4 truly recieved the Word spoken, and not at the fault of the sower.

[PrinceJohn757]

Amen. I must add that in his invention of the "altar call" -- it cannot be ignored that he recanted when he saw the fruit thereof. I realize that he had caused much spiritual harm from this spiritual blindness or religious zeal, but I do remember the Apostle Paul discovering on the road to Damascus that he was wrong, too. When confronted with his error, Paul "saw the light" and left the road to Damascus and crossed over to the "Street Called Straight". Thk u for shining a light into darkness.

[TheSolidGloryisJesus]

When I was a baby believer I recall hearing some of Finney's words one evening and being confused all of a sudden about my faith. They troubled my heart and deeply disturbed my child-like faith, and now I see why. Thank you for exposing this history about Finney.

[GillerMonster]

What makes a man desire Christ? Man fines that one day he hates sin. We play with too many words. I hear many at my church say things that I don't believe because of their speech during conversation. It's getting where a man of Christ wants to stay to himself to maintain his rightousness. I've always heard we don't go to church for the people we go to worship. But a big part is the fellowship of the saints. It's sad when our church brings no feeling of God being present. What does that mean?

[leaninglotus]

The problem I have with this is that Paul the Apostle himself reported the same exact phenomena among his converts as what is being said here of Finney's converts. 1000s of Gentiles turned to Christ under the influence of Paul's ministry, many of whom fell away soon after his departure from them. And the ones who didn't became an embarrassment to his ministry. Read Clement 1's letters to Corinth. Such was true of many of Christ's followers and vast numbers of the early Church in general.

[LaneCh]

Well, the difference isn't the results per say, but what led to those results. For example, Christ and Paul taught substitionary atonement, justification by faith, and the imputation of Christ's righteousness. Finney denied all of these doctrines. The difference is that people turned away from Paul and Jesus for preaching the actual Gospel; people fell away and became the burned over district because Finney didn't preach the Gospel.

[Joshpb80]

Answers to Prayer ch4 pg23

"...it was in fact impossible for me to doubt that the spirit of God had taken possession of my soul. In this state I was taught the doctrine of JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH as a present experience."

- Charles G. Finney

PS Don't be to chicken to approve this comment.

[LaneCh]

"that theological fiction of imputation" [Memoirs, 58].

"I could not but regard and treat this whole question of imputation as a theological fiction, somewhat related to our legal fiction of John Doe and Richard Roe" [Memoirs, 60]

(cont...)

[LaneCh]

These and similar passages are relied upon, as teaching the doctrine of an imputed righteousness; and such as these: "The Lord our righteousness" (Phil. 3:9). . . . "Christ our righteousness" is Christ the author or procurer of our justification. But this does not imply that He procures our justification by imputing His obedience to us. . . [Charles Finney, Systematic Theology (Minneapolis: Bethany), 372-73].

[LaneCh]

[Subhead:] Foundation of the justification of penitent believers in Christ. What is the ultimate ground or reason of their justification? 1. It is not founded in Christ's literally suffering the exact penalty of the law for them, and in this sense literally purchasing their justification and eternal salvation [Systematic Theology, 373].

(cont...)

[LaneCh]

There can be no justification in a legal or forensic sense, but upon the ground[2] of universal, perfect, and uninterrupted obedience to law. This is of course denied by those who hold that gospel justification, or the justification of penitent sinners, is of the nature of a forensic or judicial justification. They hold to the legal maxim, that what a man does by another he does by himself, and therefore the law regards Christ's obedience as ours, on the ground that He obeyed for us [SysTh 362].

[LaneCh]

PS. There are more, but this should suffice. Please don't be a chicken and respond to this heresy and not use the verse you quoted with him merely saying what others believe and not agreeing with it as the basis for your argument.

[ihaveaverybadcold]

dont be chicken to respond ;o)

[fractalfires]

Video left out part of the Finney quote. It actually begins 'While I inculcated the common views, I was often instrumental...' pg 359 Finney's Syst. Theology 1976 edition, last paragraph 'Sanctification 33'. Also, Finney was young when he wrote it. The 'common views' Finney spoke about referred to calvinism. Finney felt his early results were weak in proportion to his entertaining those views. The host is bearing false testimony against Finney. Bad research.

[LaneCh]

Oh, he said, "'While I inculcated the common views,"? What difference does that make? If every heretic admitted that then would the heresy the propagate be alright?

[LaneCh]

Actually, the reason I let your first comment through is because it doesn't really have an impact on what he said here, nor does it have an impact on other things he did like deny Christ's substitionary atonement, original sin, justification by faith, and other key doctrines that other heretics have denied. The point is that those six words don't denounce all the heresy he promoted.

[LaneCh]

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[RefutingFinneyism]

@fractalfires Have you read Phil Johnson's article about Finney over at spurgeon dot org? The fact that Finney lied to the Presbyterian ordination board about his comprehension of the WCF and THEN the fact that he raged against it once he figured out what it contained is proof that Finney was a Pelagian heretic of the worst sort - as well as those who have become his foot soldiers from the past and present.

[createdByCREATOR]

So then, how does someone get saved? Lots of talk about what not to do, but not much of what to do. Even more confusing is that you find a lot of Ray Comfort and Mark Kielar videos, but Ray Comfort has many C.G. Finney Quotes in his Evidence Bible, and I don't know of anything more "method like" than what is taught by The Way of the Master courses, how to share your faith in 3 minutes. However Paris Reidhead explains in "The Right Use of the Law" using the Law doesn't mean success. (sermonaudio)

[mril80]

Its not just Finney, all modern forms of christianity are fruadulent. Christianity was only practised for a generation until AD 70. Anyone practising it after that are only pretenders. How do I know this, your "bible" says so.

[LaneCh]

Um... where does it say this exactly?

[mril80]

First of all, all christians contribute their entire belief system on the "bible". However, the biblical Jesus never endorsed such a thing. Then theres sc-Mt 24:34 this (that, not yours,mine) GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fullfilled. Acts 2:40..save yourselves from this untoward(again,your)GENERATION­.Of course they're others.There is absoultly nothing written in the espistle that can be applied to our current age or generation.

[mril80]

First of all, all modern christian contribute their complete belief system in the "bible". However, the biblical Jesus never endorses such a book.

[LaneCh]

Ah, I see now. You take the heretical unbeliever's stance. Thanks for clearing that up.

[cyclehooligan]

I received a copy of scholarly journal, I think it was called "The Journal of Revival and Reformation." There were a number contrasts made between the preaching and methods of Finney and his antipode, Asahel Nettleton.

Very eye opening discussions are worthy of studying here. Thanks for posting this!

[offline111]

The subject of this video addresses a most significant matter, one of the very most important. Filling up pews with unregenerate professing people is not just to them, or to Christ. It is a great leavening of that which Christ has told us must be pure. This is not faithful fruit and the sower is as much to blame as the ground.

[AllHailXcelceor]

This message needs to be heard. What could be more important to understand than the source of saving faith?

[LaneCh]

I have about 6 more videos on Finney's "theology" and it's impact that I'll post in the near future, Lord willing.

[lutheranman]

Charles Finney was a dishonest, pelagian heretic that almost destroyed America's 2nd revival.

[LaneCh]

Lord willing, I'll post more about Finney today. It's astounding.

[Drtomterrific]

Love the name calling! Reduce a man's entire life and ministry to a two word stereotype. No one is all anything. Paul himself talked about the two natures, did he not? David was a lousy father. Solomon was a 'horndog.' Peter was always 'halting between two opinions.' Martin Luther said the book of James was a book of straw that would be burned up at the judgment.

[ProclaimHisWord]

Fool's Gold is the book to read on this subject!

[LaneCh]

I have it waiting for me at Christmas! I've heard from people with great discernment that it is wonderful.

[kylemorne100]

Salvatation is by god and god alone, period.

[woodellkw]

Wait so is he saying that salvation IS or ISNT the work of man? I hope he's saying it ISNT.

[LaneCh]

Kielar or Finney?

[woodellkw]

The guy who's talking.

[LaneCh]

Mark Kielar is the guy that is talking about Charles Finney. I can without a doubt guarantee that Mark Kielar affirms that salvation is by God alone.