I am an American and I have never in my life cared about political candidates' religious views. In fact, just once I'd love to hear a candidate, when asked about his religion, simply respond by saying, "I don't discuss my religious views. Next question?"
@JenniferWizdom Hmm...if Bill's so wrong, you should hope he would talk enough to hang himself. Funny, it hasn't happened yet. He's pretty well known for a 'nobody'.
I challenge you to look within and ask yourself why he upsets you so much. Could it be that the Truth he speaks is what is throwing you around? Wouldn't you rather be on the real side, the side that wants positive change (as the Liberal side always has)? I would.
The "oh - every other kid in Europe is now called 'Mohammad' " was so racist. Like saying every other kid is called "Chris" or "Christian" or "Christopher." Get a life.
I'm a progressive. But progressives can be as equally bigoted as the rest of us.
If someone says, “I think religion is a horrible thing and should be eradicated” then I have no argument against his/her statement as it is just personal opinion. However, if someone says, “religion is ridiculous and dangerous because it is irrational” then I would argue that such a position is irrational itself because it attempts to treat subjective opinion as if it can be validated through rational thought when all value judgments are equally irrational.
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"European countries have much more secularism." Bullshit. 1. We are the proud inheritors of the first amendment and the Virginia Statue on Religious Liberty, not Europe. It's we who are the heirs to Jefferson and Paine and Franklin. 2. Europe on the other hand, still has explicitly state-endorsed religions (in the UK, Germany, Greece etc). On a side note someone should clue this ass hat into the fact that he's inside and can take off his sun glasses.
it's not about state sanctioned religion, you might as well call the UK a totalitarian state because they still have a monarchy, that's how irrelevant it is these days
what he is talking about is that in America all government candidates are expected to parade how they are good little christians, and if any said they were muslim or atheist or divorced they would quickly be shouted down and cast aside
in europe a candidate going on about their religion would be abnormal
@bobbybushae339 Interestingly our PM, David Cameron, just made some comments about 'christian values' in the past few days, and it's had significant news coverage. So it does happen in Europe, but admittedly in America making such comments would barely be a blip on the political radar. Over here it made the front page.
@bobbybushae339 People in America seem to take for granted the great tradition of secularism we have. It's obvious we have quite an abundance of bible-thumping idiots in this country, but our founding fathers thankfully could not be grouped in that category.
For example, the king/queen of England is also the head of the church. In Germany everyone has to pay a church tax whether they go to church or not.
Also, I don't see banning religious icons as admirable. (I'm atheist.)
it annoys me that he generalizes all christians into crazy stupid people not all of them are. he thinks hes so cool and 100 percent right but hes just coming off arrogant and a douche
@drdrw10 The whole philosophical argument of the Christian religion is pretty arrogant if I may be honest. "God Loves ME, He thinks I am special so I can be with him for eternity, He takes time out of his day, watching children die in a tsunami, so that I can get a parking space". It is a self-centered belief system like all monotheistic religions. Some Christians are not as extreme, but the whole basis of their religion is insane. Islam does take this one step further to be fair to Christians.
@torontoBluejays87 its not really like that tho or at least how i am as a christian i believe in god and jesus but i dont just pray for myself i pray for others to so while i believe he loves me i know he loves others to its not just about me, thats the point its something bigger than yourself. it just annoys me that he sterotypes christians into idiots who dont have a brain, i dont take the bible word for word thats kinda ridiculous for me but i can still think for myself. were not all idiots
@drdrw10 Speak out against the Idiots who DO believe the bible to be the perfect word of God. At that point, I'll believe that it's about something more than yourself. those people are the ones who oppress people in America, for you to stand by is to be an enabler.
@MrY0ufail i dont think they are opressing america, how are they i dont really get how i mean i dont agree with them but i dont agree with a lot of things doesnt mean they are oppressive. but i believe in the message in the bible just not it word for word cause of it being translated 2000 years ago thru 5 languages. and ur last point doesnt really make sense
@drdrw10 A. The Christian leadership in this country, and their followers, are the main reason why Gay Marriage is fought against so fervently. Christians are using the freedom that allows them to practice their way of life and speak freely, to deny that freedom to those they do not agree with. My last point that didn't make sense, being an enabler is someone who sees obviously oppressive or violent behavior, and do nothing about it. You may as well join them if you don't speak out against it
@MrY0ufail ya most are in usa and religion and gay marriage dont really get along but thats not specific to christianity. and ya i dont agree with it but my whole point was that not all christians are like that, ive got no problem with gay marriage i wish they could get married freely. and dude thats not an enabler. and them not believing in gay marriage is not oppressive there are some severe cases of bullying but having a different belief in someone isnt violent behavior.
@drdrw10 Of course it isn't specific to Christianity, it's simply the major force behind the oppression of the gays in America. By saying it's nothing more than a "different belief" that the people who do not want gays to marry hold, makes you are an enabler. It is not just an ideological difference that I am talking about, it's that moderates stay silent. It is oppressive intrinsically because it does not allow someone the same freedom as the rest. That is the definition of oppression.
@drdrw10 I respect your opinion, but I still think a lot of "Christians" would not call you a "True Christian". And I have spoken to people like this in person, not just in stupid youtube arguments. Some people take the bible word for word and call anyone who doesn't a sinner. They would equate you with a non-believer like myself which is insane. I just think the whole "me, me, me" thinking is what religion is all about, hence why I reject it. You seem sincere, I don't want to offend.
I love they call it progressive. What on earth are they trying to progress towards? Just because YOU call it progress doesn't mean thats actually what it is. We are a secular state. We just choose to vote for people who are religious. And Mr. Maher let me remind you that you are a comedian and nothing more. Your political prose while calling socialism "progress" is just pathetic. You feed off of the idiots who think government should act as the peoples parents
It is absurd to weld a blade (e.g. reason) at one target (religious dogma) and then throw the blade down while exalting something every bit as rationally suspect (the ideology of moral truth). Morality is not a “statistically positive” aspect of our species as it has been utilized to justify social violence every bit as much as it has been used for whatever so-called ‘good’ we creatures do. Rationally speaking, there is little difference between religious thinking and ideological thinking.
@sheepinavacuum The idea of moral thruth is not a rationally suspect as the idea of a supreme being watching over you, judging you and then sending you to specific places in the after life based on your actions. Morality based on sciences like philospophy, psychology and sociology is more acceptable than morality based on texts filled wth supernatural tales that were written in the bronze age.
@balistik94 The idea of moral truth is even more rationally questionable when it relies on the beliefs of animals with measurably flawed perceptive abilities and a penchant to emotional prejudices, rather than an immeasurable god force. There is no empirical evidence for any moral truth or law beyond human imagination. No evidence for inalienable rights or free choice for that matter. This puts these things in the same deck of cards as religious beliefs, scientifically speaking.
@sheepinavacuum Your argument seems to be "getting my morals from a god is as valid as getting them from a flawed human being who thinks he knows what's wrong and what's right for all men" but here's the thing : atheists don't argue that there is one universal moral truth, theists do. Atheists simply think that men should not govern or make laws based on irrational beliefs and morality should not be imposed by anybody.
@balistik94 Many (if not all) laws are based on irrational beliefs. And many outspoken atheistic minded people are not arguing about what they think, but rather what they believe, regardless of the variety of said beliefs. My problem has more to do with the intellectual contradiction which develops from taking critical aim at religious belief while not acknowledging that critical thinking cannot be used in such a manner without compromising its integrity.
@sheepinavacuum The laws that are based on irrational beliefs have been voted and put in place by people who were deepy influenced by the judeo christian tradition. The laws that have nothing to do with religion are not based on irrational beliefs. For example it's not irrational to think that people shouldn't be allowed to commit rape or murder. What exactly is irrational about the golden rule?
@balistik94 A “golden rule” is an invention of the mind based on feelings, and feelings are always irrational. We think about (and based on) our feelings and decide what to believe concerning them. But we are not gods, and our feelings can not be proven to be anything but irrational results of accidental chemical processes. There is as little empirical evidence to justify belief in any social right or wrong as there is for religious good and evil.
@balistik94 It is quite logical to conclude that rape and killing are random events without objective meaning in a godless universe. One has to subscribe to a moral and emotional belief in order to suggest that such things ‘should’ be restricted. Public health and survival are common goals and so humans restrict violent acts; but we don’t come to such restrictions from a cold intellectual place, we come to them from a place of irrational emotions and beliefs.
@sheepinavacuum The golden rule is not based on feelings it's based on reason. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a logical and reasonable position. Restricting violent acts has nothing to do with emotional belief, it's simply the logical thing to do if you want to ensure public order.
@balistik94 If all humans are equal, in an ultimate cosmic sense, and if the process which brought us into existence is accidental (there is no evidence to suggest otherwise) then no one belief is more objectively valuable (“acceptable”) than another. This means that all appeals of value are subjective and therefore scientifically questionable. The moment a judgment or ideological statement is made the credibility of said judgment/statement becomes suspect in an empirical sense.
Does Bill Maher believe in freewill? The belief in freewill has absolutely no scientific, rational or empirical basis, yet it is generally accepted as a truth by many political figures. This belief has been responsible for the justification of violence throughout human history. I have less fear of a political ‘leader’ who professes a belief in a biblical God than I do a person who professes a belief in an amoral and accidental universe while also acknowledging a belief in freewill & justice.
@sheepinavacuum Then why are secular communities statistically more harmonious and less crime stricken? Take all Atheists out of America and you would lose 93% of the National Academy of Sciences but less than 1% of your prison population. By the way, do you actually like the God of the Bible? Honestly? Have you read it lately? Honestly now, you'd swear on a stack of Bibles that you have actually recently read the Bible cover to cover?
@skworq I am not religious in any conventional sense. I relate more to what Albert Einstein referred to as a “cosmic religious feeling”. Of course, that doesn’t mean that I think that attacking people who believe in things that I do not is a sign of intellectual progress. Secularism is not a solution to any problems of our species. Left to atheistic devices, humans are just as prone to violence, disrespect, prejudice and destruction.
@sheepinavacuum "Secularism is not a solution to any problems of our species" Of course it is. Today some human beings are being denied the basic rights that other human beings have because of their sexual orientation. That problem can be fixed with secularism.
The basis of your statement involves the assumption that religion is the reason why prejudice of homosexuality exists. Besides this being impossible to prove, the assertion is based on a gross simplification of the human condition. Admittedly, my own statement is completely subjective itself. In truth, secular and religious influence probably both help and hurt a society; the balance of which aspect is greater is better suited to philosophical, rather than scientific debate.
@sheepinavacuum Religion is, in many countries, the reason given by those who deny homosexuals the same rights given to heterosexuals. Without religion, prejudice would still exist of course as it's part of the human nature but people would no longer have a public justification for their prejudice. The fabric that ties millions of people together and gives them a common goal, a common target for their prejudice would disappear and prejudice would only happen on an individual basis.
@skworq And you insult yourself by presuming what over 99 percent of the violent psychology in prison populations is related to. Blaming religion on human ills is like looking at your bloody face in the mirror and blaming the silver coating on the glass for whatever it is that you did. We are sadistic animals through the same thing that makes us intellectual animals: a dysfunctional heightened awareness.
i agree with his politics,but "rationality", does not come out of a vacuum. wisdom comes from mind ,body and spirit. just because mainstream religion sucks,and the right uses religion to exploit people,does not mean,that faith or spitituality is devoid of reason,in its proper context. anyone that takes a religious book literally,is an imbecile,of course. but, there is no secular altar of reason that exists suspended in space, bill. on this issue,you, are as much of a fanatical idiot as palin.
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.... "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." John Adams
I live in Denmark, and I can tell you, fundamentalist Muslims do not pose a problem INTERNALLY here. Our immigration should in fact be more opened up for Muslims, not closed down. We need people here.
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Ok, in your post you said "m very skeptic of Bill Maher. He is outspoken about christians and muslims. But you wont ever find him ridicule jews." I showed you where he riducules Jews and you come back and try to measure it to justify an inaccurate statement. If you look at the statistics of how many Christians and Muslims are in the world compared to Jews, it doesn't take a math genuis to understand it's easier to make more fun of the others.
Im very skeptic of Bill Maher. He is outspoken about christians and muslims. But you wont ever find him ridicule jews. He is oppertunistic... and his views about flu vaccines reveal leaks in his rationality. To hell with all religions, not just everybody elses Bill !
@ashkon52 how about you watch religulous again and realise how he blasts Moslems for terrorism, christians for corruption. What exactly does he say about Jews. Really think and then open your mouth. Other than ridiculing a couple of jewish superstitions.. does he ever mention the jewish occupation... zionism. Does he ever tackle the problems people (atheists) have with zionists factions in Israel. NO. They get a free pass. So dont open your mouth until you get your head out of your ass.
@ashkon52 Yes he has talked about jews, watch religulous and his stand up comedy and his show and you will see that he talks about the jews. If you had done research, you wouldn't have written a stupid comment, and please try to improve your english language skills.
I don't think Charlie Rose is a theist. He has to appear open minded to the idiocy that bill maher speaks of, only because thats what a good host does. You can't appear to bias towards one side because what about your fans thats on the other. You have to appease everyone, that has to be a hard job let me tell ya. Bill Maher should release more of these documentaries, it would do humanity some good.
Christians do not believe in rationalism beginning absolutely by themselves, having Man as their integration point, to find all knowledge, meaning and value. This is the unity with in non-christian thought. But christians do believe in the rational which means that the things which are about us are not contrary to reason. Mans aspiration of reason is valid. The Judeo-christian position is rational, but it is the very antithesis of rationalism.
Why are Bill Mahers creating a theist - atheist divide? A rational human being is neither theist or atheist, they are agnostic. So you see, there is an equality of irrationality among us. Most of us are knowledgeable agents capable of choosing what to believe for ourselves. We are not dupes to a dominant ideology. We are aware of illegitimacies in our societies. If some people want to acknowledge divinity via a traditional path it need not lead to war. It need not but we do war and conflict.
@AwesomeSuperbaws every1is atheistic to sum1 elses god. no rational person will commit 2 saying 100% to any unprovable unknown, bt atheists accept tht based on evidence there's as much chance of god as there r monsters undr beds so the word atheist is perfectly acceptable to describe this view. so in the pure sense everyone is agnostic of course but the word atheist is used to directly refute the idiotic christ-jewt god that seems to have prevalence in holding society back. stupid semantics
@GBJ83 There is no evidence that refutes God nor is there evidence that refutes monsters under my bed? This argument seems entirely absurd. The human mind can appreciate creation and cataclysmic events resulting in our lives. Either a sentient extra terrestrial of unfathomable origins made us or a cosmic cataclysm. This is the argument. Not a bed monster. Not a flying teapot. Perhaps there is a third option that our minds cannot conceive. Perhaps uncertainty is the human condition.
@AwesomeSuperbaws it would seem absurd to you I suppose. I see evidence for cataclysmic events but none for creation by a god that supposedly lets you go to heaven if you are "good" and love him and sends you to hell if you dont believe in him or are "bad". The evidence that brought us from the big bang to current life is COMPLTETELY independent of a creator. If a creator created the big bang, he is worthless now. One last big fart to create the universe and then he died.
@AwesomeSuperbaws atheists (towards creator, meddling, gods)/agnostics revel in the uncertainty of our discoveries and use it to discover more. "Believers" d/nt bother as God is the answer to everything lol and THAT is why we have such slow progress still in the 21st century. Rational people also KNOW that humans may never have the capability to conceive everything about everything. Thats why we have science to make sense of the world. NOT MAKE UP STORIES AND THEN EXPECT THEM TO BE RESPECTED
@AwesomeSuperbaws let me put it this way, with current knowledge (the pinnacle of all human achievements ever known) most rational people would say that there is the same chance that a monster that hides under your bed created the big bang than the jew/christian/muslim god.
flying spaghetti monster or teapot are used to defend the argument that you cannot prove a negative. hope you understand me, thank you, goodbye
@AwesomeSuperbaws Sorry? Don't you think the blame should be focussed squarely at tribalistic dogma by the Christian/Jewish/Islamic fascist philosophies? As an atheist, I don't makes threats of eternal damnation to anyone that doesn't lack belief in the "imaginary friend in the sky", which, by the way, sits firmly in the category of IRRATIONAL in my opinion. And indeed, millions of us have been 'dupes' to a dominant ideology via the Sunday morning brainwashing sermons throughout the world.
@skworq No. I do not. I believe that in contemporary society we are capable of critical assessment and can see through the backward philosophies of materialist religious sects. Threats of damnation are an affront to any so called good doer and their religious affiliations. There are a lot of retards on both sides of this debate, theists and atheists who embarrass their cause.
Bill Maher never picks on Obama religous faith or for bringing religion into his speechs alot about his so called christian faith ? Maher picks on palin and Bush for having faith but silent on obama or how obama has made it a priority to reach out to muslims and even have Nasa working on a way to put islam in space..
I understand what they're saying about freedom but at the same time a country HAS to have certain rules and laws to govern it and keep things in order working to a common good AND defining WHAT the good is.
Also I think it's LAME that some atheists I talk to are under the impression that if you believe in God or Jesus you're quote on quote "stupid" or "ignorant".... :eyeroll:
Within life's social environment, the duty to others infringes upon the rights of the self whilst the 'right' abandons love, yet we are both an individual with vital needs and a social family member. By last choice, the only healthy politic appears to be the center, however, mutual welfare is not possible in this materialism as it forces all into savage and cruel competition and pyramids. We are trapped on this planet, unable of ourselves to resolve our social ills and injustices.
The inability of america's rational liberal-progessive minority to help save america is an inherent weakness of democracy, along with it's perptual demands for more and more fredoms. Democracy holds no condition voters be rationaly healthy nor civilised, and america's majority is composed of savagely cold-Hearted self-only far righter's and criminally mislead christian sicko's.
It doesn't matter what religion obama practices dumbasses.
Its america, free choice bitches.
He got elected, therefore MORE people liked him then disliked him, he is the president, and the fact he got elected most likely means that his views are "correct".
@TheStalkingShadow Truth is though, your so-called presidents are just puppets to your true rulers: the Corporations. All this talk about Obama ruining your country, the rot started when Reagan let the rats run free. The damage has been done, whilst you Americans were zoned-out watching Fox and playing X-Box.
@skworq Not all americans are so stupid as to watch Fox and play X-Box all day long. America is the most diverse country in the world, not only in races, but in just about everything you think of, america got it somewhere, wether it is good or bad. While some might argue that corporations have too much power, or wall street, America will always get back on track like it always has, and the new generation will come up and shake the old system and move America forward.
@TheStalkingShadow I guess that's what we're all calling for, "the new generation to come up and move America forward..." - now is the time! Obama needs help, if indeed he is the man he says he is. I'd like to think Bill Maher also has a role to play. A lot of smart people are recognizing and openly talking about the problem, but there has been no significant change towards a better America due partly to the hinderance from political viruses such as those Sarah Palin represents.
And how do you know that Jesus said that? Ohhhh, I forgot, because the bible says so... my bad. I wonder what would people say if they didn't have a "holy book" to quote from anytime their blind faith is contested? Mmmmm... I am talking about all religions, not only christianity... that would surely be interesting to watch.
even if you are an athiest you need to pretend that you are a christian in order to be elected president the US which is a shame in what we call the free world
i don't understand why political agenda or intellictuality don't matter until you're proven to be a christian in the most powerful country in the world.
@amernice Because no one can trust the word of atheists as they have no God they can promise against to take the oath to protect america, atheist can change their mind anytime.
For Maher to think europeans are superior to americans shows how racist Maher really is, he is not just a religous bigot but a racial bigot too snce learning about his mothers background, maher thinks its part of his jewish culture to attack christians. It is sad he has become so partisan as he is not funny anymore.
Actually that 'Muhhammed is the most popular baby name in England' statistic is bullshit, they just counted all the Muhammeds and Mohammeds and Muhammads together as the same name. I'm sure if we counted all the Edwards, Eddies, Eds, Edds, Eddys and Eduardos together as one we'd get more babies than all the Muhammed-ish babys.
@MarkArandjus Again, your missing the point, in a Western country where the most common name for boys was Andy or whatever it may have been...is now Mohamed or even anything close to Mohamed, shows the change happening in Europe. Religion is for people who believe in fairy tails and anyone who believes in a religion like Islam who's belief that at the end of the world, we will all be under Muslim rule, has no place in any form of Democratic government.
@tonydorsett33 Okay, let me present this as a simple math problem: you have a basket and in this basket you get 12 apples, 9 oranges, 3 bananas , 7 grapes and 4 kiwis. The apples are the most numerous, but they're still a minority against the rest.
There's an even bigger change going on en Europe and that's the rise of atheism and agnosticism, so I'll tell you what; in 15 years if we're overrun with muslims I'll mail you an apology, and if we're not feel free to feel like a paranoid fool.
@MarkArandjus I understand in Europe religion is not what it is here in America. I also understand that the fastest growing religion in the world is Islam and the birth rate when compared to native Europeans is something like 4x greater. I'm not insulting you, for someone trying to come off as so intelligent, you sure seem very aggressive........so relax.
@tonydorsett33 God is the same either in america or europe, its just the atheist are different, some follow Dawkins and Hitchens as a demigod and have created a new form of religion from atheism.
Is atheism in your country a religion yet or is it just competing with it at the moment.
@beginization Atheism is not and will ner be a religion, no matter the fervor that is created by Atheists. Reason being is because Atheists are just trying to create a society in which believing in God is not a pre-requisite. For example, in America we elected Kennedy and the biggest controversy was that he was a Catholic. Imagine an Atheist candidate?LOL Religious dogma has taken the place of science in America and that is a de-evolution compared to what the founding fathers wanted.
@tonydorsett33 You have a kind of atheist at the moment in Obama, I know he feels mixed up between his muslim upbinging and his so called conversion to liberation theology which is like atheism.
Mao, Pollpot, Stalin and Lenin were all atheist and they turned it into a type of relgous act, just because you dont have a god dont think you can model your self on what you hate, look at Maher as he hates fox and conservatives but cant do a act wthout them and even acts how he thinks they think.
@beginization Well don't tell that to conservative Tea Party members. They were just recently polled and 23% of them at a convention believe he is Muslim and a Socialist. Obama has presented himself very much a Christian but I do believe he is more of Agnostic if he really let you know. Maher doesn't hate conservatives, he hates ignorance as I do. The dictators you named were Atheists but religion isn't the only thing that motivates evil
@tonydorsett33 I think obama caused the muslim effect himself by his preference for islam by his actions since being elected and his speeches over other faiths.
obama treats the koran has holy but has never said that about bible and has even mocked the bible
Most dont think he s christian because they dont understand black liberation theology as Rev Wright teaches hate for the white bible god and created a black one. Thats where Beck went wrong thinkingobama was a racist for wrong reason
@beginization Obama didn't cause anything by himself. That's the right being fear mongers as usual and Beck and Limbaugh are the main culprits in that. Obama has done nothing but presented himself as a Christian, he was attending a Christian church way before he was elected. It's the ignorance of people that has caused this misinterpretation and I have never heard him disrespect the Bible, please give proof of this.
@tonydorsett33 But Maher has left obamas beliefs alone unlike palins or Bushs faith, obama did not attend any church after he left Rev.Wright church but when people did examine obamas mentors teachings found it was far from christian. It was only after no church visits people questioned his beliefs so he went to church for a photo op.
Since taking office obama has made muslim out reach relations as urgent and has mocked the bible and trying to claim Islam created the west and all our inventions
@beginization Again, tell me where Obama made fun of the Bible, you have no proof of that and it would be political suicide in this country with all the religious fanatics running around. Bill Maher makes fun of Bush and Palin because they have publicly said they ask God for answers to their problems. What happened to separation of church and state? Bush and Palin think the world is 4,000 years old as well....lol. Obama has reached out to the Muslim world because he understands he needs to.
Many people here have responded to my point which is a point raised by Dr. Richard Dawkins that Mao, stalin etc did the terrible things they did not because they were atheists but because of their individual motivations. People seem to not understand this point, especially the guy who said he wouldn't kill if he was buddhist... that has NOTHING to do with the argument Dawkins is making. The point is atheism did not drive them to kill like religion drives others to kill.
Our current Australian Prime Minister has the balls to openly admit she is an atheist, without any apparent significant backlash. It's nice to live in a free country...
@PurushaDesa Yeah well, I voted for a republic, as did my friends, but maybe there was a bit of "why fix somethin' that ain't broke" attitude.. I'd dare say another referendum when QEII falls off the perch will have a different outcome.
@OriginalFroggyStyle Video games are for kids, so of course, they should be monitored and indeed censored if deemed too socially/developmentally disruptive.
@QRF11B True. A vast percentage of indigenous peoples (and their knowledge) were wiped out in Australia, especially in the fertile-rich South-East region, within the first 100 years of European settlement (1788). Smallpox and other introduced diseases completed the genocide. Same thing happened in the Americas in the 1500s, with approximately 95% of all native Americans (including the highly intelligent Meso-Americans) wiped out by 1600. I know, it's completely fucked up :(
@skworq oh I wish I could live in your country, here in the philippines; people think you're crazy if you don't believe in their imaginry friend...lol
@thejobloshow The Australian Greens will have the balance of power in the Senate so hopefully there'll be progress towards equality there as well. Also, there's a push to further limit religious influence in our politics.
@thejobloshow If gay people stopped trying to take someone else word and meaning for themselves they could been having unions years ago , just name it Hubbaige for men and Lebbaige for females, why steal a word that means a union between man and a women which has been used for thousands of years.
its like trying to rename a cake a pizza, people wont buy it
@skworq there was some people worried about it tho. i hope she remains in power next elections although i'm not sure labors getting support from the centre right.
@skworq Thats why I have a desire of leaving this very young and very stupid country of America and move to Australia. But I really don't want to be eaten or killed by salt water crocodiles, great white sharks, and killer jelly fish lol.
@MrUnlimitedRange History repeats. As natural resources are exploited the human population rises, but eventually the equation reverses as the population growth exceeds available resources. Then there is turbulence in economic growth, followed by hoarding by the 'haves' and desperation by the 'have-nots'. Social destabilization and political and religious extremism spread like wildfire leading to an inevitable collapse. Read Jared Diamond's "Collapse". Hopefully we'll learn from other's mistakes.
@skworq I agree with you on all of that. I just wish that atheistism wasn't such a taboo thing in America. I'v been called many things, bad things. It's basically like people think I'm not a very moral person and I envy your countries political system for accepting non-believers.
@MrUnlimitedRange Yeah exactly, and the old religious human-centric way of thinking is a road-block in our shift towards a more ecologically wholesome way of seeing ourselves. Moses ordering his people to "go forth and subdue the Earth" is an example of how a cultural outlook of 3,000 years ago is nowadays an obsolete and even destructive philosophy. It's a pity our nation's pioneers weren't Buddhists, for instance ;)
@skworq america was founded by extremley religious people who left England to practice there religion, your country was criminals from England, obv you are more open to atheism... not that there is anything wrong with being an atheist, i'm just explaining why it is what it is.
@Epimpin101 Actually, quite the opposite. The United States Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. Furthermore, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were outspoken agnostics, and publicly denounced the church as a hinderance to a fair political system.
@skworq Benjamin Franklin was a Mason, as were most of the founding fathers, and atheists were forbidden in Masonry. What's more Franklin and Jefferson were Deist's not "agnostics," and certainly not atheists. Sadly, you probably think those terms are interchangeable don't you?
Sigh.
I feel so sorry for you Americans. Your schools teach you nothing, and your media lies to you for the sake of ratings. Your stupidity is killing you. How sad.
@bmccarville The US Constitution was purposefully made a secular document. Benjamin Franklin stated: "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." And from Thomas Paine: "As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions and a history of bad times and bad men." And Thomas Jefferson: "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." Btw, I'm an Australian.
@skworq On an unrelated matter, Benjamin Franklin also stated:" Any society who would give away a little freedom to gain a little security, would loose bouth , and deserve neither". Its 1 of my favorite quotes of all times , cos the entire world has so completly forgotten it. (excuse bad spelling)
@skworq “Here is my creed: I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his providence. That he ought to be worshiped. That the most acceptable service we render him is doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this."
@sheepinavacuum There is a BIG difference between Theism (ie. Christianity and Islam) and Deism (US founding fathers' preference). Deists believe in the existence of a god without any reliance on revealed religion, religious authority or holy books.
"But though every created thing is, in this sense, a mystery, the word mystery cannot be applied to moral truth, any more than obscurity can be applied to light. ... Mystery is the antagonist of truth."
Thomas Paine
This perfectly demonstrates the absurdity of secular rationalism. Morality, for all rational purposes, is a byproduct of an accidental process. True rationality is not so morally convenient.
@sheepinavacuum Although Paine never got to enjoy the genius revelation Darwin brought us, I'm sure he would have rejoiced at it's ramifications. What is so absurd about a tendency in social species for altruistic traits to influence a statistically positive outcome and hence promote those genes responsible for such traits? There are simple patterns in nature that accumulate over time. And here we are, 3.5 billions years later.
@skworq If you're going to quote Thomas Jefferson, then you should count how many times he refers to the Creator: Some examples:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights;We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America....appealing to the SUPREME JUDGE OF THE WORLD for the rectitude of our intentions;with a firm reliance on the protection of DIVINE PROVIDENCE, etc.
@mrtruthforever And so, your conclusion after putting two and two together? These men were Deists, not Christians, not Jews, not Muslims; not interested in this 'theistic god' created by the over-zealous Jews thousands of years ago. No, these men were more intelligent than that, they where proud proclaimers of the Enlightenment and their devotion was aimed at a more scientifically comprehensible concept of 'The Creator'. More natural. Not this blood-thirsty, misogynistic bully of Christendom.
@skworq I never claimed that they were members of organized religion (although ironically they used the First Amend to protect the free exercise of religion), but they were unequivocally strong believers in a Creator. Moreover, the belief in a Creator has always been an indelible part of US culture: The Pledge of Allegiance (one nation under Gd), the National Anthem (And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"); the US currency (In Gd we trust), etc., etc.
I am an American and I have never in my life cared about political candidates' religious views. In fact, just once I'd love to hear a candidate, when asked about his religion, simply respond by saying, "I don't discuss my religious views. Next question?"
senoramariposa 1 week ago
true that, even Obama had to "admit" that he's a christian.
smikesmike05 3 weeks ago
@smikesmike05 Pretty said that matters more than intelligence.
RealTime88 1 week ago
Bill Maher is a royal asshole. He would be fucking 12 year olds if it was legal.
JenniferWizdom 3 weeks ago
@JenniferWizdom Not really go hang ur self
JO3DIGGA 3 weeks ago
Bill is a hypocritical fool. The neocons ran GB, the neocons run BO.
Bill is a nobody and he should STFU.
JenniferWizdom 1 month ago
@JenniferWizdom and your definitely a somebody!
iamajibber 3 weeks ago
@JenniferWizdom Hmm...if Bill's so wrong, you should hope he would talk enough to hang himself. Funny, it hasn't happened yet. He's pretty well known for a 'nobody'.
I challenge you to look within and ask yourself why he upsets you so much. Could it be that the Truth he speaks is what is throwing you around? Wouldn't you rather be on the real side, the side that wants positive change (as the Liberal side always has)? I would.
lancethrustworthy 3 days ago
he looks like snoopy
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The "oh - every other kid in Europe is now called 'Mohammad' " was so racist. Like saying every other kid is called "Chris" or "Christian" or "Christopher." Get a life.
I'm a progressive. But progressives can be as equally bigoted as the rest of us.
MirHafez 1 month ago
Look how successful Europe has become. Jeez.
jmedwick 2 months ago
If someone says, “I think religion is a horrible thing and should be eradicated” then I have no argument against his/her statement as it is just personal opinion. However, if someone says, “religion is ridiculous and dangerous because it is irrational” then I would argue that such a position is irrational itself because it attempts to treat subjective opinion as if it can be validated through rational thought when all value judgments are equally irrational.
sheepinavacuum 2 months ago
Easy on the botox billy boy! you whine about the food we eat and the toxins we work in, but you shove needles of botox in your face????
quincee33 5 months ago
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For the record Bill Hicks did not invent the idea of being pissed off at Religion. Maher's comic style is pretty different from Hicks'.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
send the hooked nose to where the zyklon b flows, and cook this kike first
thepotatovagina 6 months ago
"European countries have much more secularism." Bullshit. 1. We are the proud inheritors of the first amendment and the Virginia Statue on Religious Liberty, not Europe. It's we who are the heirs to Jefferson and Paine and Franklin. 2. Europe on the other hand, still has explicitly state-endorsed religions (in the UK, Germany, Greece etc). On a side note someone should clue this ass hat into the fact that he's inside and can take off his sun glasses.
amatuerarabist 6 months ago
@amatuerarabist
fail
it's not about state sanctioned religion, you might as well call the UK a totalitarian state because they still have a monarchy, that's how irrelevant it is these days
what he is talking about is that in America all government candidates are expected to parade how they are good little christians, and if any said they were muslim or atheist or divorced they would quickly be shouted down and cast aside
in europe a candidate going on about their religion would be abnormal
bobbybushae339 5 months ago 7
@bobbybushae339 Interestingly our PM, David Cameron, just made some comments about 'christian values' in the past few days, and it's had significant news coverage. So it does happen in Europe, but admittedly in America making such comments would barely be a blip on the political radar. Over here it made the front page.
sonicwingnut 1 month ago
@amatuerarabist
of course this does not apply to all countries in Europe, some are still openly religious
but for the most part, religion is kept far more private in Europe, apart from big events
and for the most part religion is kept seperate from government; often just because that is the norm, but sometimes because it is the actual law
for example, France has laws guaranteeing state secularism and it is even considered part of the national identity
they have even banned public icons
bobbybushae339 5 months ago 11
@bobbybushae339 People in America seem to take for granted the great tradition of secularism we have. It's obvious we have quite an abundance of bible-thumping idiots in this country, but our founding fathers thankfully could not be grouped in that category.
For example, the king/queen of England is also the head of the church. In Germany everyone has to pay a church tax whether they go to church or not.
Also, I don't see banning religious icons as admirable. (I'm atheist.)
Mysteryskatin 1 month ago 2
Religion comforts...and cripples; somewhat like heroin. Some become heavy users.
The concepts of Compassion, Honor and Responsibility were around LONG before
the bible showed up; probably before written word.
lancethrustworthy 3 days ago
it annoys me that he generalizes all christians into crazy stupid people not all of them are. he thinks hes so cool and 100 percent right but hes just coming off arrogant and a douche
drdrw10 6 months ago
@drdrw10 The whole philosophical argument of the Christian religion is pretty arrogant if I may be honest. "God Loves ME, He thinks I am special so I can be with him for eternity, He takes time out of his day, watching children die in a tsunami, so that I can get a parking space". It is a self-centered belief system like all monotheistic religions. Some Christians are not as extreme, but the whole basis of their religion is insane. Islam does take this one step further to be fair to Christians.
torontoBluejays87 6 months ago
@torontoBluejays87 its not really like that tho or at least how i am as a christian i believe in god and jesus but i dont just pray for myself i pray for others to so while i believe he loves me i know he loves others to its not just about me, thats the point its something bigger than yourself. it just annoys me that he sterotypes christians into idiots who dont have a brain, i dont take the bible word for word thats kinda ridiculous for me but i can still think for myself. were not all idiots
drdrw10 6 months ago
@drdrw10 Speak out against the Idiots who DO believe the bible to be the perfect word of God. At that point, I'll believe that it's about something more than yourself. those people are the ones who oppress people in America, for you to stand by is to be an enabler.
MrY0ufail 6 months ago
@MrY0ufail i dont think they are opressing america, how are they i dont really get how i mean i dont agree with them but i dont agree with a lot of things doesnt mean they are oppressive. but i believe in the message in the bible just not it word for word cause of it being translated 2000 years ago thru 5 languages. and ur last point doesnt really make sense
drdrw10 6 months ago
@drdrw10 A. The Christian leadership in this country, and their followers, are the main reason why Gay Marriage is fought against so fervently. Christians are using the freedom that allows them to practice their way of life and speak freely, to deny that freedom to those they do not agree with. My last point that didn't make sense, being an enabler is someone who sees obviously oppressive or violent behavior, and do nothing about it. You may as well join them if you don't speak out against it
MrY0ufail 6 months ago
@MrY0ufail ya most are in usa and religion and gay marriage dont really get along but thats not specific to christianity. and ya i dont agree with it but my whole point was that not all christians are like that, ive got no problem with gay marriage i wish they could get married freely. and dude thats not an enabler. and them not believing in gay marriage is not oppressive there are some severe cases of bullying but having a different belief in someone isnt violent behavior.
drdrw10 6 months ago
@drdrw10 Of course it isn't specific to Christianity, it's simply the major force behind the oppression of the gays in America. By saying it's nothing more than a "different belief" that the people who do not want gays to marry hold, makes you are an enabler. It is not just an ideological difference that I am talking about, it's that moderates stay silent. It is oppressive intrinsically because it does not allow someone the same freedom as the rest. That is the definition of oppression.
MrY0ufail 6 months ago
@drdrw10 I respect your opinion, but I still think a lot of "Christians" would not call you a "True Christian". And I have spoken to people like this in person, not just in stupid youtube arguments. Some people take the bible word for word and call anyone who doesn't a sinner. They would equate you with a non-believer like myself which is insane. I just think the whole "me, me, me" thinking is what religion is all about, hence why I reject it. You seem sincere, I don't want to offend.
torontoBluejays87 6 months ago
I love they call it progressive. What on earth are they trying to progress towards? Just because YOU call it progress doesn't mean thats actually what it is. We are a secular state. We just choose to vote for people who are religious. And Mr. Maher let me remind you that you are a comedian and nothing more. Your political prose while calling socialism "progress" is just pathetic. You feed off of the idiots who think government should act as the peoples parents
jtizz711 6 months ago
It is absurd to weld a blade (e.g. reason) at one target (religious dogma) and then throw the blade down while exalting something every bit as rationally suspect (the ideology of moral truth). Morality is not a “statistically positive” aspect of our species as it has been utilized to justify social violence every bit as much as it has been used for whatever so-called ‘good’ we creatures do. Rationally speaking, there is little difference between religious thinking and ideological thinking.
sheepinavacuum 7 months ago
@sheepinavacuum The idea of moral thruth is not a rationally suspect as the idea of a supreme being watching over you, judging you and then sending you to specific places in the after life based on your actions. Morality based on sciences like philospophy, psychology and sociology is more acceptable than morality based on texts filled wth supernatural tales that were written in the bronze age.
balistik94 2 months ago
@balistik94 The idea of moral truth is even more rationally questionable when it relies on the beliefs of animals with measurably flawed perceptive abilities and a penchant to emotional prejudices, rather than an immeasurable god force. There is no empirical evidence for any moral truth or law beyond human imagination. No evidence for inalienable rights or free choice for that matter. This puts these things in the same deck of cards as religious beliefs, scientifically speaking.
sheepinavacuum 2 months ago
@sheepinavacuum Your argument seems to be "getting my morals from a god is as valid as getting them from a flawed human being who thinks he knows what's wrong and what's right for all men" but here's the thing : atheists don't argue that there is one universal moral truth, theists do. Atheists simply think that men should not govern or make laws based on irrational beliefs and morality should not be imposed by anybody.
balistik94 2 months ago
@balistik94 Many (if not all) laws are based on irrational beliefs. And many outspoken atheistic minded people are not arguing about what they think, but rather what they believe, regardless of the variety of said beliefs. My problem has more to do with the intellectual contradiction which develops from taking critical aim at religious belief while not acknowledging that critical thinking cannot be used in such a manner without compromising its integrity.
sheepinavacuum 2 months ago
@sheepinavacuum The laws that are based on irrational beliefs have been voted and put in place by people who were deepy influenced by the judeo christian tradition. The laws that have nothing to do with religion are not based on irrational beliefs. For example it's not irrational to think that people shouldn't be allowed to commit rape or murder. What exactly is irrational about the golden rule?
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sheepinavacuum 2 months ago
@balistik94 A “golden rule” is an invention of the mind based on feelings, and feelings are always irrational. We think about (and based on) our feelings and decide what to believe concerning them. But we are not gods, and our feelings can not be proven to be anything but irrational results of accidental chemical processes. There is as little empirical evidence to justify belief in any social right or wrong as there is for religious good and evil.
sheepinavacuum 2 months ago
@balistik94 It is quite logical to conclude that rape and killing are random events without objective meaning in a godless universe. One has to subscribe to a moral and emotional belief in order to suggest that such things ‘should’ be restricted. Public health and survival are common goals and so humans restrict violent acts; but we don’t come to such restrictions from a cold intellectual place, we come to them from a place of irrational emotions and beliefs.
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@sheepinavacuum The golden rule is not based on feelings it's based on reason. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a logical and reasonable position. Restricting violent acts has nothing to do with emotional belief, it's simply the logical thing to do if you want to ensure public order.
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@balistik94 If all humans are equal, in an ultimate cosmic sense, and if the process which brought us into existence is accidental (there is no evidence to suggest otherwise) then no one belief is more objectively valuable (“acceptable”) than another. This means that all appeals of value are subjective and therefore scientifically questionable. The moment a judgment or ideological statement is made the credibility of said judgment/statement becomes suspect in an empirical sense.
sheepinavacuum 2 months ago
Does Bill Maher believe in freewill? The belief in freewill has absolutely no scientific, rational or empirical basis, yet it is generally accepted as a truth by many political figures. This belief has been responsible for the justification of violence throughout human history. I have less fear of a political ‘leader’ who professes a belief in a biblical God than I do a person who professes a belief in an amoral and accidental universe while also acknowledging a belief in freewill & justice.
sheepinavacuum 7 months ago
@sheepinavacuum Then why are secular communities statistically more harmonious and less crime stricken? Take all Atheists out of America and you would lose 93% of the National Academy of Sciences but less than 1% of your prison population. By the way, do you actually like the God of the Bible? Honestly? Have you read it lately? Honestly now, you'd swear on a stack of Bibles that you have actually recently read the Bible cover to cover?
skworq 7 months ago
@skworq I am not religious in any conventional sense. I relate more to what Albert Einstein referred to as a “cosmic religious feeling”. Of course, that doesn’t mean that I think that attacking people who believe in things that I do not is a sign of intellectual progress. Secularism is not a solution to any problems of our species. Left to atheistic devices, humans are just as prone to violence, disrespect, prejudice and destruction.
sheepinavacuum 7 months ago
@sheepinavacuum "Secularism is not a solution to any problems of our species" Of course it is. Today some human beings are being denied the basic rights that other human beings have because of their sexual orientation. That problem can be fixed with secularism.
balistik94 2 months ago
@balistik94
The basis of your statement involves the assumption that religion is the reason why prejudice of homosexuality exists. Besides this being impossible to prove, the assertion is based on a gross simplification of the human condition. Admittedly, my own statement is completely subjective itself. In truth, secular and religious influence probably both help and hurt a society; the balance of which aspect is greater is better suited to philosophical, rather than scientific debate.
sheepinavacuum 2 months ago
@sheepinavacuum Religion is, in many countries, the reason given by those who deny homosexuals the same rights given to heterosexuals. Without religion, prejudice would still exist of course as it's part of the human nature but people would no longer have a public justification for their prejudice. The fabric that ties millions of people together and gives them a common goal, a common target for their prejudice would disappear and prejudice would only happen on an individual basis.
balistik94 2 months ago
@skworq And you insult yourself by presuming what over 99 percent of the violent psychology in prison populations is related to. Blaming religion on human ills is like looking at your bloody face in the mirror and blaming the silver coating on the glass for whatever it is that you did. We are sadistic animals through the same thing that makes us intellectual animals: a dysfunctional heightened awareness.
sheepinavacuum 7 months ago
Yeah, Europe is just so superior to this adolescent nation that was developed by people from Europe.
sheepinavacuum 7 months ago
i agree with his politics,but "rationality", does not come out of a vacuum. wisdom comes from mind ,body and spirit. just because mainstream religion sucks,and the right uses religion to exploit people,does not mean,that faith or spitituality is devoid of reason,in its proper context. anyone that takes a religious book literally,is an imbecile,of course. but, there is no secular altar of reason that exists suspended in space, bill. on this issue,you, are as much of a fanatical idiot as palin.
brainsareus 7 months ago
who is that dude with the hat? dude knows what he's talking about
Micklol 7 months ago
who is the guy in the hat
FayeFaye30 8 months ago
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.... "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." John Adams
impsick 8 months ago
I live in Denmark, and I can tell you, fundamentalist Muslims do not pose a problem INTERNALLY here. Our immigration should in fact be more opened up for Muslims, not closed down. We need people here.
snakeweirdo 8 months ago
@snakeweirdo Have you tried fucking your women?
martindj88 7 months ago
@martindj88 Yes, but what has that got to do with anything?
snakeweirdo 7 months ago
Arabs who occupy Greater Israel -- EX-TER-MI-NATE!
dalek14159 8 months ago
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Oh great another idiot Nazi Jew.
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frankiegmh 8 months ago
The US constitution is the only secular constitution in the world which makes this country even greater.
jjhjjff 8 months ago
@jjhjjff "this" country is a disgrace.
emilram 8 months ago 2
@emilram fuuuuuck you!
TheeMikeHoncho 8 months ago
Bill Maher is a zionist shill.
See...
iamthewitness.c o m
23ord 8 months ago
Ok, in your post you said "m very skeptic of Bill Maher. He is outspoken about christians and muslims. But you wont ever find him ridicule jews." I showed you where he riducules Jews and you come back and try to measure it to justify an inaccurate statement. If you look at the statistics of how many Christians and Muslims are in the world compared to Jews, it doesn't take a math genuis to understand it's easier to make more fun of the others.
rbruxz 9 months ago
Im very skeptic of Bill Maher. He is outspoken about christians and muslims. But you wont ever find him ridicule jews. He is oppertunistic... and his views about flu vaccines reveal leaks in his rationality. To hell with all religions, not just everybody elses Bill !
ashkon52 9 months ago
@ashkon52 Not true. In his film "Reglulous" he makes fun of Jews.
rbruxz 9 months ago
@rbruxz watch it again and really look at what he says about jews compared to the beating he gave christians and moslems.
ashkon52 9 months ago
@ashkon52 how about you watch religulous again and realise how he blasts Moslems for terrorism, christians for corruption. What exactly does he say about Jews. Really think and then open your mouth. Other than ridiculing a couple of jewish superstitions.. does he ever mention the jewish occupation... zionism. Does he ever tackle the problems people (atheists) have with zionists factions in Israel. NO. They get a free pass. So dont open your mouth until you get your head out of your ass.
ashkon52 8 months ago
@ashkon52 Not true. In his film "Religulous" he makes fun of Jews.
rbruxz 9 months ago
@ashkon52 Yes he has talked about jews, watch religulous and his stand up comedy and his show and you will see that he talks about the jews. If you had done research, you wouldn't have written a stupid comment, and please try to improve your english language skills.
tutorialsandhacks 8 months ago
oh my... charlie needs new music on his show.
zicuenca 9 months ago
I don't think Charlie Rose is a theist. He has to appear open minded to the idiocy that bill maher speaks of, only because thats what a good host does. You can't appear to bias towards one side because what about your fans thats on the other. You have to appease everyone, that has to be a hard job let me tell ya. Bill Maher should release more of these documentaries, it would do humanity some good.
Wordlaw12 10 months ago 3
Christians do not believe in rationalism beginning absolutely by themselves, having Man as their integration point, to find all knowledge, meaning and value. This is the unity with in non-christian thought. But christians do believe in the rational which means that the things which are about us are not contrary to reason. Mans aspiration of reason is valid. The Judeo-christian position is rational, but it is the very antithesis of rationalism.
Isospinsymmetries 10 months ago
Why are Bill Mahers creating a theist - atheist divide? A rational human being is neither theist or atheist, they are agnostic. So you see, there is an equality of irrationality among us. Most of us are knowledgeable agents capable of choosing what to believe for ourselves. We are not dupes to a dominant ideology. We are aware of illegitimacies in our societies. If some people want to acknowledge divinity via a traditional path it need not lead to war. It need not but we do war and conflict.
AwesomeSuperbaws 10 months ago
@AwesomeSuperbaws every1is atheistic to sum1 elses god. no rational person will commit 2 saying 100% to any unprovable unknown, bt atheists accept tht based on evidence there's as much chance of god as there r monsters undr beds so the word atheist is perfectly acceptable to describe this view. so in the pure sense everyone is agnostic of course but the word atheist is used to directly refute the idiotic christ-jewt god that seems to have prevalence in holding society back. stupid semantics
GBJ83 10 months ago
@GBJ83 There is no evidence that refutes God nor is there evidence that refutes monsters under my bed? This argument seems entirely absurd. The human mind can appreciate creation and cataclysmic events resulting in our lives. Either a sentient extra terrestrial of unfathomable origins made us or a cosmic cataclysm. This is the argument. Not a bed monster. Not a flying teapot. Perhaps there is a third option that our minds cannot conceive. Perhaps uncertainty is the human condition.
AwesomeSuperbaws 10 months ago
@AwesomeSuperbaws it would seem absurd to you I suppose. I see evidence for cataclysmic events but none for creation by a god that supposedly lets you go to heaven if you are "good" and love him and sends you to hell if you dont believe in him or are "bad". The evidence that brought us from the big bang to current life is COMPLTETELY independent of a creator. If a creator created the big bang, he is worthless now. One last big fart to create the universe and then he died.
GBJ83 10 months ago
@AwesomeSuperbaws atheists (towards creator, meddling, gods)/agnostics revel in the uncertainty of our discoveries and use it to discover more. "Believers" d/nt bother as God is the answer to everything lol and THAT is why we have such slow progress still in the 21st century. Rational people also KNOW that humans may never have the capability to conceive everything about everything. Thats why we have science to make sense of the world. NOT MAKE UP STORIES AND THEN EXPECT THEM TO BE RESPECTED
GBJ83 10 months ago
@AwesomeSuperbaws let me put it this way, with current knowledge (the pinnacle of all human achievements ever known) most rational people would say that there is the same chance that a monster that hides under your bed created the big bang than the jew/christian/muslim god.
flying spaghetti monster or teapot are used to defend the argument that you cannot prove a negative. hope you understand me, thank you, goodbye
GBJ83 10 months ago
@AwesomeSuperbaws Sorry? Don't you think the blame should be focussed squarely at tribalistic dogma by the Christian/Jewish/Islamic fascist philosophies? As an atheist, I don't makes threats of eternal damnation to anyone that doesn't lack belief in the "imaginary friend in the sky", which, by the way, sits firmly in the category of IRRATIONAL in my opinion. And indeed, millions of us have been 'dupes' to a dominant ideology via the Sunday morning brainwashing sermons throughout the world.
skworq 10 months ago
@skworq No. I do not. I believe that in contemporary society we are capable of critical assessment and can see through the backward philosophies of materialist religious sects. Threats of damnation are an affront to any so called good doer and their religious affiliations. There are a lot of retards on both sides of this debate, theists and atheists who embarrass their cause.
AwesomeSuperbaws 10 months ago
@AwesomeSuperbaws Yeah, fair enough.
skworq 10 months ago
the most common baby name in europe is mohamed???? WTF!??? AHAHAHAHHA
Have u ever been to europe???
TheMordius 10 months ago
I'm in favor of cultures free of bigotry. Australia is? Wow, let's go. Raise your hand if your country is free of bigotry.
webspecific 10 months ago
Bill Maher never picks on Obama religous faith or for bringing religion into his speechs alot about his so called christian faith ? Maher picks on palin and Bush for having faith but silent on obama or how obama has made it a priority to reach out to muslims and even have Nasa working on a way to put islam in space..
beginization 10 months ago
I understand what they're saying about freedom but at the same time a country HAS to have certain rules and laws to govern it and keep things in order working to a common good AND defining WHAT the good is.
Also I think it's LAME that some atheists I talk to are under the impression that if you believe in God or Jesus you're quote on quote "stupid" or "ignorant".... :eyeroll:
ViperSRTnACR 10 months ago
Dudes, put down your pipes, put away your secularism, and your mirror. You met get a better chance to see how it all is happening.
rickbrownell 11 months ago
Within life's social environment, the duty to others infringes upon the rights of the self whilst the 'right' abandons love, yet we are both an individual with vital needs and a social family member. By last choice, the only healthy politic appears to be the center, however, mutual welfare is not possible in this materialism as it forces all into savage and cruel competition and pyramids. We are trapped on this planet, unable of ourselves to resolve our social ills and injustices.
happycapper3 11 months ago
The inability of america's rational liberal-progessive minority to help save america is an inherent weakness of democracy, along with it's perptual demands for more and more fredoms. Democracy holds no condition voters be rationaly healthy nor civilised, and america's majority is composed of savagely cold-Hearted self-only far righter's and criminally mislead christian sicko's.
misfit703 11 months ago
If the directings for extreme self-denial by the 'prophets'
Krishna, Buddha and Christ isn't real, the righteousnes they
command isn't real, and that self-denial ISN'T real ! Though
there be mystical events involved in such efforts, of the
many many millions which have tried it, NONE have
succeeded, and none of those 3 prophets have been proven
....it is 'Carousel' (Logan's Run1976)
happycapper3 11 months ago
The universe is a dualist composition of opposites, and we
too are of such opposites; our outer and inner self, our body
and soul. Though unable of material proofs, the 'soul' is real and
we can perceive into the realm of the eternal via our inner self.
St.Luke17:21 "The realm and person and society of God is
within yourself" is a subtle directing for where to begin that
relationship. Self denial and righteousness is the 'mystical key'
which opens that doorway. I well know about this fact.
misfit703 11 months ago
larry charles has an infinate # of looks and styles lol
assiconda 11 months ago
It doesn't matter what religion obama practices dumbasses.
Its america, free choice bitches.
He got elected, therefore MORE people liked him then disliked him, he is the president, and the fact he got elected most likely means that his views are "correct".
TheStalkingShadow 11 months ago
@TheStalkingShadow Truth is though, your so-called presidents are just puppets to your true rulers: the Corporations. All this talk about Obama ruining your country, the rot started when Reagan let the rats run free. The damage has been done, whilst you Americans were zoned-out watching Fox and playing X-Box.
skworq 11 months ago
@skworq Not all americans are so stupid as to watch Fox and play X-Box all day long. America is the most diverse country in the world, not only in races, but in just about everything you think of, america got it somewhere, wether it is good or bad. While some might argue that corporations have too much power, or wall street, America will always get back on track like it always has, and the new generation will come up and shake the old system and move America forward.
TheStalkingShadow 11 months ago
@TheStalkingShadow I guess that's what we're all calling for, "the new generation to come up and move America forward..." - now is the time! Obama needs help, if indeed he is the man he says he is. I'd like to think Bill Maher also has a role to play. A lot of smart people are recognizing and openly talking about the problem, but there has been no significant change towards a better America due partly to the hinderance from political viruses such as those Sarah Palin represents.
skworq 11 months ago
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The golden rule is not regressive or progressive it is just the right thing to do as Jesus said.
cedric1671 11 months ago
The golden rule is not regressive or progressive it is just the right thing to do as Jesus said.
cedric1671 11 months ago
@cedric1671
And how do you know that Jesus said that? Ohhhh, I forgot, because the bible says so... my bad. I wonder what would people say if they didn't have a "holy book" to quote from anytime their blind faith is contested? Mmmmm... I am talking about all religions, not only christianity... that would surely be interesting to watch.
MyMusiclover28 9 months ago
so true
even if you are an athiest you need to pretend that you are a christian in order to be elected president the US which is a shame in what we call the free world
i don't understand why political agenda or intellictuality don't matter until you're proven to be a christian in the most powerful country in the world.
amernice 11 months ago
@amernice Because no one can trust the word of atheists as they have no God they can promise against to take the oath to protect america, atheist can change their mind anytime.
For Maher to think europeans are superior to americans shows how racist Maher really is, he is not just a religous bigot but a racial bigot too snce learning about his mothers background, maher thinks its part of his jewish culture to attack christians. It is sad he has become so partisan as he is not funny anymore.
beginization 11 months ago
Yes Bill, and no Rational Person has Ever Made an Irrational Decision.Give me a Break.
bathwhoreE 1 year ago
Actually that 'Muhhammed is the most popular baby name in England' statistic is bullshit, they just counted all the Muhammeds and Mohammeds and Muhammads together as the same name. I'm sure if we counted all the Edwards, Eddies, Eds, Edds, Eddys and Eduardos together as one we'd get more babies than all the Muhammed-ish babys.
MarkArandjus 1 year ago 2
@MarkArandjus You missing the point, the fact that in a western country this has happened, is something to take a look at.
tonydorsett33 11 months ago
@tonydorsett33 I just said it didn't happen, 'Muhammed babys' didn't skyrocket, it's a twisted statistic.
MarkArandjus 11 months ago
@MarkArandjus Again, your missing the point, in a Western country where the most common name for boys was Andy or whatever it may have been...is now Mohamed or even anything close to Mohamed, shows the change happening in Europe. Religion is for people who believe in fairy tails and anyone who believes in a religion like Islam who's belief that at the end of the world, we will all be under Muslim rule, has no place in any form of Democratic government.
tonydorsett33 11 months ago
@tonydorsett33 Okay, let me present this as a simple math problem: you have a basket and in this basket you get 12 apples, 9 oranges, 3 bananas , 7 grapes and 4 kiwis. The apples are the most numerous, but they're still a minority against the rest.
There's an even bigger change going on en Europe and that's the rise of atheism and agnosticism, so I'll tell you what; in 15 years if we're overrun with muslims I'll mail you an apology, and if we're not feel free to feel like a paranoid fool.
MarkArandjus 11 months ago
@MarkArandjus I understand in Europe religion is not what it is here in America. I also understand that the fastest growing religion in the world is Islam and the birth rate when compared to native Europeans is something like 4x greater. I'm not insulting you, for someone trying to come off as so intelligent, you sure seem very aggressive........so relax.
tonydorsett33 11 months ago
@tonydorsett33 God is the same either in america or europe, its just the atheist are different, some follow Dawkins and Hitchens as a demigod and have created a new form of religion from atheism.
Is atheism in your country a religion yet or is it just competing with it at the moment.
beginization 11 months ago
@beginization Atheism is not and will ner be a religion, no matter the fervor that is created by Atheists. Reason being is because Atheists are just trying to create a society in which believing in God is not a pre-requisite. For example, in America we elected Kennedy and the biggest controversy was that he was a Catholic. Imagine an Atheist candidate?LOL Religious dogma has taken the place of science in America and that is a de-evolution compared to what the founding fathers wanted.
tonydorsett33 11 months ago
@tonydorsett33 You have a kind of atheist at the moment in Obama, I know he feels mixed up between his muslim upbinging and his so called conversion to liberation theology which is like atheism.
Mao, Pollpot, Stalin and Lenin were all atheist and they turned it into a type of relgous act, just because you dont have a god dont think you can model your self on what you hate, look at Maher as he hates fox and conservatives but cant do a act wthout them and even acts how he thinks they think.
beginization 11 months ago
@beginization Well don't tell that to conservative Tea Party members. They were just recently polled and 23% of them at a convention believe he is Muslim and a Socialist. Obama has presented himself very much a Christian but I do believe he is more of Agnostic if he really let you know. Maher doesn't hate conservatives, he hates ignorance as I do. The dictators you named were Atheists but religion isn't the only thing that motivates evil
tonydorsett33 11 months ago
@tonydorsett33 I think obama caused the muslim effect himself by his preference for islam by his actions since being elected and his speeches over other faiths.
obama treats the koran has holy but has never said that about bible and has even mocked the bible
Most dont think he s christian because they dont understand black liberation theology as Rev Wright teaches hate for the white bible god and created a black one. Thats where Beck went wrong thinkingobama was a racist for wrong reason
beginization 11 months ago
@beginization Obama didn't cause anything by himself. That's the right being fear mongers as usual and Beck and Limbaugh are the main culprits in that. Obama has done nothing but presented himself as a Christian, he was attending a Christian church way before he was elected. It's the ignorance of people that has caused this misinterpretation and I have never heard him disrespect the Bible, please give proof of this.
tonydorsett33 11 months ago
@tonydorsett33 But Maher has left obamas beliefs alone unlike palins or Bushs faith, obama did not attend any church after he left Rev.Wright church but when people did examine obamas mentors teachings found it was far from christian. It was only after no church visits people questioned his beliefs so he went to church for a photo op.
Since taking office obama has made muslim out reach relations as urgent and has mocked the bible and trying to claim Islam created the west and all our inventions
beginization 11 months ago
@beginization Again, tell me where Obama made fun of the Bible, you have no proof of that and it would be political suicide in this country with all the religious fanatics running around. Bill Maher makes fun of Bush and Palin because they have publicly said they ask God for answers to their problems. What happened to separation of church and state? Bush and Palin think the world is 4,000 years old as well....lol. Obama has reached out to the Muslim world because he understands he needs to.
tonydorsett33 11 months ago
Who the fuck is the dude who isn't Maher or Rose?? O.o
wrightman690 1 year ago
@wrightman690 ... He's the director of Maher's documentary, "Religulous."
emantabrizi 1 year ago
Bill Maher would make an awesome president!!!
Mr1in1000000 1 year ago
@Mr1in1000000 He is too populist and inconsistent.
DukeofWellington91 1 year ago
@Mr1in1000000 yeh well,his still awsome
Mr1in1000000 1 year ago
Many people here have responded to my point which is a point raised by Dr. Richard Dawkins that Mao, stalin etc did the terrible things they did not because they were atheists but because of their individual motivations. People seem to not understand this point, especially the guy who said he wouldn't kill if he was buddhist... that has NOTHING to do with the argument Dawkins is making. The point is atheism did not drive them to kill like religion drives others to kill.
Smood47 1 year ago
Just because you use big words like "rational" to make yourself feel smart doesn't necessarily mean you are rational bill
JPBuysjr 1 year ago
Our current Australian Prime Minister has the balls to openly admit she is an atheist, without any apparent significant backlash. It's nice to live in a free country...
skworq 1 year ago 160
@skworq
Why didn't you get rid of The Queen, though? I'd kill to have a vote to get rid of the bloody Royals.
PurushaDesa 1 year ago
@PurushaDesa Yeah well, I voted for a republic, as did my friends, but maybe there was a bit of "why fix somethin' that ain't broke" attitude.. I'd dare say another referendum when QEII falls off the perch will have a different outcome.
skworq 1 year ago
@skworq
I want to move to Australia.
DonJulioBlanco2002 1 year ago
@skworq Oh snap!
Stevie10Gunshot 1 year ago
@skworq And our government has the balls to protect our rights to free speech on the internet. It's nice to live here as well. For the most part.
DanMcCaffrey 1 year ago
@skworq And our government has the balls to protect our rights to free speech on the internet. It's nice to live here as well.
DanMcCaffrey 1 year ago
@skworq Go Julia!
Draugsang 11 months ago
@skworq
How many video games get banned or forced to be edited in your country?
OriginalFroggyStyle 11 months ago
@OriginalFroggyStyle Video games are for kids, so of course, they should be monitored and indeed censored if deemed too socially/developmentally disruptive.
skworq 11 months ago
@skworq Free country? You mean after you slaughtered the natives?
QRF11B 11 months ago
@QRF11B True. A vast percentage of indigenous peoples (and their knowledge) were wiped out in Australia, especially in the fertile-rich South-East region, within the first 100 years of European settlement (1788). Smallpox and other introduced diseases completed the genocide. Same thing happened in the Americas in the 1500s, with approximately 95% of all native Americans (including the highly intelligent Meso-Americans) wiped out by 1600. I know, it's completely fucked up :(
skworq 11 months ago
@skworq She? Atheist? Jesus Christ, I'm moving to Australia! Is she white?
LiBlub1 11 months ago
@skworq oh I wish I could live in your country, here in the philippines; people think you're crazy if you don't believe in their imaginry friend...lol
OGthegame 11 months ago
@skworq And yet she completely buckles at the knees and panders to her Christian fanbase by not allowing gay marriage.
thejobloshow 10 months ago
@thejobloshow LOL that doesn't make any sense for her to do that.
gaylolful 10 months ago
@thejobloshow The Australian Greens will have the balance of power in the Senate so hopefully there'll be progress towards equality there as well. Also, there's a push to further limit religious influence in our politics.
skworq 10 months ago
@thejobloshow If gay people stopped trying to take someone else word and meaning for themselves they could been having unions years ago , just name it Hubbaige for men and Lebbaige for females, why steal a word that means a union between man and a women which has been used for thousands of years.
its like trying to rename a cake a pizza, people wont buy it
beginization 10 months ago
@skworq there was some people worried about it tho. i hope she remains in power next elections although i'm not sure labors getting support from the centre right.
halflifeproductionz 10 months ago
@skworq Thats why I have a desire of leaving this very young and very stupid country of America and move to Australia. But I really don't want to be eaten or killed by salt water crocodiles, great white sharks, and killer jelly fish lol.
rockstar777ryan 10 months ago
@skworq I'm very jealous of your country, and this is coming from an American!
MrUnlimitedRange 10 months ago
@MrUnlimitedRange History repeats. As natural resources are exploited the human population rises, but eventually the equation reverses as the population growth exceeds available resources. Then there is turbulence in economic growth, followed by hoarding by the 'haves' and desperation by the 'have-nots'. Social destabilization and political and religious extremism spread like wildfire leading to an inevitable collapse. Read Jared Diamond's "Collapse". Hopefully we'll learn from other's mistakes.
skworq 10 months ago
@skworq I agree with you on all of that. I just wish that atheistism wasn't such a taboo thing in America. I'v been called many things, bad things. It's basically like people think I'm not a very moral person and I envy your countries political system for accepting non-believers.
MrUnlimitedRange 10 months ago
@MrUnlimitedRange Yeah exactly, and the old religious human-centric way of thinking is a road-block in our shift towards a more ecologically wholesome way of seeing ourselves. Moses ordering his people to "go forth and subdue the Earth" is an example of how a cultural outlook of 3,000 years ago is nowadays an obsolete and even destructive philosophy. It's a pity our nation's pioneers weren't Buddhists, for instance ;)
skworq 10 months ago
@skworq india had jain and buddhist leaders then christians and muslims came and raped everyone lol no joke
GBJ83 10 months ago
@skworq I need to move to Australia right away
uiruu 10 months ago
@skworq america was founded by extremley religious people who left England to practice there religion, your country was criminals from England, obv you are more open to atheism... not that there is anything wrong with being an atheist, i'm just explaining why it is what it is.
Epimpin101 10 months ago
@Epimpin101 Actually, quite the opposite. The United States Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. Furthermore, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were outspoken agnostics, and publicly denounced the church as a hinderance to a fair political system.
skworq 10 months ago 41
@skworq Benjamin Franklin was a Mason, as were most of the founding fathers, and atheists were forbidden in Masonry. What's more Franklin and Jefferson were Deist's not "agnostics," and certainly not atheists. Sadly, you probably think those terms are interchangeable don't you?
Sigh.
I feel so sorry for you Americans. Your schools teach you nothing, and your media lies to you for the sake of ratings. Your stupidity is killing you. How sad.
bmccarville 10 months ago
@bmccarville The US Constitution was purposefully made a secular document. Benjamin Franklin stated: "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." And from Thomas Paine: "As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions and a history of bad times and bad men." And Thomas Jefferson: "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." Btw, I'm an Australian.
skworq 10 months ago 71
@skworq On an unrelated matter, Benjamin Franklin also stated:" Any society who would give away a little freedom to gain a little security, would loose bouth , and deserve neither". Its 1 of my favorite quotes of all times , cos the entire world has so completly forgotten it. (excuse bad spelling)
hwplugburz 7 months ago
@skworq “Here is my creed: I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his providence. That he ought to be worshiped. That the most acceptable service we render him is doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this."
Benjamin Franklin
sheepinavacuum 7 months ago
@sheepinavacuum There is a BIG difference between Theism (ie. Christianity and Islam) and Deism (US founding fathers' preference). Deists believe in the existence of a god without any reliance on revealed religion, religious authority or holy books.
skworq 7 months ago
"But though every created thing is, in this sense, a mystery, the word mystery cannot be applied to moral truth, any more than obscurity can be applied to light. ... Mystery is the antagonist of truth."
Thomas Paine
This perfectly demonstrates the absurdity of secular rationalism. Morality, for all rational purposes, is a byproduct of an accidental process. True rationality is not so morally convenient.
sheepinavacuum 7 months ago
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skworq 7 months ago
@sheepinavacuum Although Paine never got to enjoy the genius revelation Darwin brought us, I'm sure he would have rejoiced at it's ramifications. What is so absurd about a tendency in social species for altruistic traits to influence a statistically positive outcome and hence promote those genes responsible for such traits? There are simple patterns in nature that accumulate over time. And here we are, 3.5 billions years later.
skworq 7 months ago
@skworq If you're going to quote Thomas Jefferson, then you should count how many times he refers to the Creator: Some examples:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights;We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America....appealing to the SUPREME JUDGE OF THE WORLD for the rectitude of our intentions;with a firm reliance on the protection of DIVINE PROVIDENCE, etc.
mrtruthforever 7 months ago
@mrtruthforever And so, your conclusion after putting two and two together? These men were Deists, not Christians, not Jews, not Muslims; not interested in this 'theistic god' created by the over-zealous Jews thousands of years ago. No, these men were more intelligent than that, they where proud proclaimers of the Enlightenment and their devotion was aimed at a more scientifically comprehensible concept of 'The Creator'. More natural. Not this blood-thirsty, misogynistic bully of Christendom.
skworq 7 months ago
@skworq I never claimed that they were members of organized religion (although ironically they used the First Amend to protect the free exercise of religion), but they were unequivocally strong believers in a Creator. Moreover, the belief in a Creator has always been an indelible part of US culture: The Pledge of Allegiance (one nation under Gd), the National Anthem (And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"); the US currency (In Gd we trust), etc., etc.
mrtruthforever 7 months ago