Seems to be some misunderstandings of the relative seaworthiness of monos and multis. I recommend study of Chris White's excellent book "The Cruising Multihull", a few years old now but still THE definitive tome.Also recommenede are the websites of Derek Kelsall and John Shuttleworth, and my own New Zealand site, Marine Scene. We have 200 years experience designing, building and sailing multis, we do know.
@avianskipdiver I have seen a lot of knockdowns where the cat is still afloat and salvageable and the ballasted mono has disappeared completely below. I do mean a lot, and mono knockdowns are more common and statiscally more dangerous.
I have 140,000+ ocean miles in various multihulls and about 41,000 in various monohulls, plus coastal miles etc over the last 50 years. There are unseaworthy vessels abundant in both types but there can be no refuting the generality that catamarans are safer then monohulls, under all circumstances. Shallower, faster, more buoyant, less fatiguing, 2 rudders etc. Incident report and statistics bear this out too.
@tiopiratamike I am very interested in the mono vs. cat discussion. I really love the space and comfort of a cat. But the monohull particularly with full keel and ballast seems safer in heavy seas. I mean really heavy seas. Can you tell us more why you think cats are safer? Thanks.
@airborne373 Hi Mate. The problem of perception seems to stem from the awful multihulls that have been built, ignoring the fact that a much greater number of terrible monohulls have also beem launched.. Firstly the obvious safety factor of reduced draft makes a modern multi less likely to run aground, and if it does run aground it is in shallower water, a much safer and more easily remedied situation. Equally a catamaran can be driven onto a beach in safety, a mono cannot.
@tiopirata2 Hi, thanks for the reply. I really like the obvious advantages of a cat. But when I read blogs and news stories about monohulls being picked up tossed around and slammed upside down only to self right and keep it's crew alive even in hurricanes I tend to think of a full keeled mono as the safest.
No doubt I would chose a cat if I were sailing lets say the Caribbean but really unsure about global sailing on one.
@airborne373 Survival stories of this nature in monos are rare, as are events of this type. Many of these incidents have occurred in conditions that would leave a good cat unperturbed, again I know having lost friends to such sea states in their monos while sailing very close to them in one of my cats. No question, the worse conditions get, the better a catamaran is relatively speaking. We do need to discount the charter type cats which are not created with ultimate seaworthiness in mind though
i'm a fisherman with dreams of retirering to sailing the world. i just wonder how cats and trimarans hold up in bad weather. the weather in this video is mild at best to me. has anyone (cat or trimaran sailors) been in a nasty storm with 20-30 foot waves? if so i would like to know how the boats performed.
I agree this is mild and pretty normal swell for open Ocean. I sailed around on ships, yachts & Katamaran Across the Atlantic.had about 12-15ft following swell for 3days during the crossing, similar to video.
These yachts are for leisure. the owner is on a vacation & does not want to be scared & puke all the time. No, we sailed the yachts during summer. If you want to sail the North Atlantic during winter these boats won't do. pretty dangerous!
thanks for your opinion. would a monohull about 40-50 feet long be a good option for ocean going? i'm not worried about comfort or getting sick. i have fished georges bank in february. i can deal with a bit of weather. i like the monohulls because of the ballast in the keel. i think that makes it so much more seaworthy.
we sailed (2 persons)both a 50ft monohull & 50ft cat 3 seasons.both are good and comfortable.the cat has very large decks & sails better with side winds,is dangerous if heeled & can flip over.has less structural strength(some deformation of door&window frames in one hull)1.35m draft.the monohull performs better with other angles due to it's arrangement,has great stability,can take heavier seas and had larger fuel & water tanks.draft 2.10m.note:the self furling type main sail often jams.
it depends on how big the cat is. i have a 50 foot cat and it holds up good against 15-20 foot waves never been in 30 foot waves wouldnt do it. they are great for sailing i think alot of space and so much funn
I would love an English translation of what he is saying - what type of cat was this & length ;looks like a FP,
Ozbullwinkle 6 months ago
im sorry is this sounds offencive but are you french or german? i can hear one of those two
youngestpilotinGa 8 months ago
Seems to be some misunderstandings of the relative seaworthiness of monos and multis. I recommend study of Chris White's excellent book "The Cruising Multihull", a few years old now but still THE definitive tome.Also recommenede are the websites of Derek Kelsall and John Shuttleworth, and my own New Zealand site, Marine Scene. We have 200 years experience designing, building and sailing multis, we do know.
tiopirata2 1 year ago
Hello,
actually the meteo was quite rough, on murterska-avantura.hr/include/meteo24032005.png the actual situation.
Also for the italian readers: an article published on Nautica in 2009 can be found on murterska-avantura.hr/archive.aspx
See you on the open sea!
andreas
andreasLan 1 year ago
Bellisima traversata, complimenti! Frequenti anche il mediterraneo?
DarioBike 2 years ago
Knocked down, the cat's dead. Pretty useless in the average marina too. Fast though.
avianskipdiver 2 years ago
@avianskipdiver I have seen a lot of knockdowns where the cat is still afloat and salvageable and the ballasted mono has disappeared completely below. I do mean a lot, and mono knockdowns are more common and statiscally more dangerous.
tiopirata2 1 year ago
I have 140,000+ ocean miles in various multihulls and about 41,000 in various monohulls, plus coastal miles etc over the last 50 years. There are unseaworthy vessels abundant in both types but there can be no refuting the generality that catamarans are safer then monohulls, under all circumstances. Shallower, faster, more buoyant, less fatiguing, 2 rudders etc. Incident report and statistics bear this out too.
tiopiratamike 3 years ago 8
@tiopiratamike I am very interested in the mono vs. cat discussion. I really love the space and comfort of a cat. But the monohull particularly with full keel and ballast seems safer in heavy seas. I mean really heavy seas. Can you tell us more why you think cats are safer? Thanks.
My only experience sailing is in lakes.
airborne373 1 year ago
@airborne373 Hi Mate. The problem of perception seems to stem from the awful multihulls that have been built, ignoring the fact that a much greater number of terrible monohulls have also beem launched.. Firstly the obvious safety factor of reduced draft makes a modern multi less likely to run aground, and if it does run aground it is in shallower water, a much safer and more easily remedied situation. Equally a catamaran can be driven onto a beach in safety, a mono cannot.
tiopirata2 1 year ago
@tiopirata2 Hi, thanks for the reply. I really like the obvious advantages of a cat. But when I read blogs and news stories about monohulls being picked up tossed around and slammed upside down only to self right and keep it's crew alive even in hurricanes I tend to think of a full keeled mono as the safest.
No doubt I would chose a cat if I were sailing lets say the Caribbean but really unsure about global sailing on one.
What I know about global cruising is from blogs.
airborne373 1 year ago
@airborne373 Survival stories of this nature in monos are rare, as are events of this type. Many of these incidents have occurred in conditions that would leave a good cat unperturbed, again I know having lost friends to such sea states in their monos while sailing very close to them in one of my cats. No question, the worse conditions get, the better a catamaran is relatively speaking. We do need to discount the charter type cats which are not created with ultimate seaworthiness in mind though
tiopirata2 1 year ago
@tiopiratamike You are spot-on. I agree with you on all points
tkoltiska 9 months ago
Was this an FP Lavezzi, if so how does she perform in light winds
ireaney 3 years ago
la visione di queste onde mi terrorizza e mi piace allo stesso tempo.
sergioboat 3 years ago
i'm a fisherman with dreams of retirering to sailing the world. i just wonder how cats and trimarans hold up in bad weather. the weather in this video is mild at best to me. has anyone (cat or trimaran sailors) been in a nasty storm with 20-30 foot waves? if so i would like to know how the boats performed.
ya19375 4 years ago
I agree this is mild and pretty normal swell for open Ocean. I sailed around on ships, yachts & Katamaran Across the Atlantic.had about 12-15ft following swell for 3days during the crossing, similar to video.
These yachts are for leisure. the owner is on a vacation & does not want to be scared & puke all the time. No, we sailed the yachts during summer. If you want to sail the North Atlantic during winter these boats won't do. pretty dangerous!
Alfox64 3 years ago
thanks for your opinion. would a monohull about 40-50 feet long be a good option for ocean going? i'm not worried about comfort or getting sick. i have fished georges bank in february. i can deal with a bit of weather. i like the monohulls because of the ballast in the keel. i think that makes it so much more seaworthy.
ya19375 3 years ago
we sailed (2 persons)both a 50ft monohull & 50ft cat 3 seasons.both are good and comfortable.the cat has very large decks & sails better with side winds,is dangerous if heeled & can flip over.has less structural strength(some deformation of door&window frames in one hull)1.35m draft.the monohull performs better with other angles due to it's arrangement,has great stability,can take heavier seas and had larger fuel & water tanks.draft 2.10m.note:the self furling type main sail often jams.
Alfox64 3 years ago
it depends on how big the cat is. i have a 50 foot cat and it holds up good against 15-20 foot waves never been in 30 foot waves wouldnt do it. they are great for sailing i think alot of space and so much funn
jaycumbie1990 2 years ago
thanks for the info. it's of great use to me.
ya19375 2 years ago
Scary waves, but beautiful. Were you not seasick or oceansick?
trebor43470 4 years ago
What's the dude saying?
lscotte 4 years ago
That looks like it sucks, but I'm sure it's tons of fun.
Stain5150v 4 years ago