awesome my two fav HE's. I lost a refrigerator to 2 grams ANMN with ETN/AP det, was supposed to be a small test that ripped the whole thing in pieces. nice work though. Ps i distil my MN muhahahah
Nice one, but I highly doubt it got a density around 2g/cm³.
ETN has a density of 1.6, MN of 1.217g/cm³, the 66/34 OB mixture will be around 1.45g/cm³.
Think of it like this: the molecular interactions between MN and ETN molecules are almost equal to the interactions between MN and MN molecules, and ETN and ETN molecules (due to their chemical similarity, both being linear nitric esters), and this means that the density of the mixture will be not higher than the arithmetic mean density.
Could isopropyl nitrate be substituted for the methyl nitrate for a less volatile, less sensitive mixture? How much would the power suffer? Oh, and would there be any benefit to gelatinising with nitrocellulose?
I'm not sure of the brisance of isopropyl nitrate, but I know methyl nitrate is very brisant, and this stuff is actually pretty stable, I once used about .1g of old ap(that couldn't be packed much) as a primary, and it shattered the ~2mm thick plastic casing, and splattered the mix all over the garage door, but didn't set it off, and you could gelatinize with nitrocellulose if it is a better plasticizer, but power might suffer
@jhfgkhgable I've been there, done that. isopropyl nitrate is very unsensitive. A better option is Ethyl Nitrate. Almost as powerfull and a lot less sensitive.
That was the ratio in this video and the other 2 blasting paste videos, but I did another experiment with 19g MN and 25g ETN(every thing I had) and I think that was significantly denser than this, but I forgot about testing the density before using it.
yes, MN is a pretty powerful non-polar solvant, it will also eat many kinds of plastic, like poly propylene, so finding a good casing is kind of a pain, but HDPE works
hi, i was wondering if you knew if MN would be corrosive/reactive with PVC conduit? it would be an ideal housing but i'd be worried about it eating through it.
Very nice. I just can´t understand why did you do it inside, 3,5g is a lot. You probably felt the door shake and the flour vibrate. I like methyl nitrate very much but I think it is too volatile, have you tried ETN with EGDN to compare?
I don't want to piss off my neighbores, and yeah, it was a pretty good sized charge, you can hear the symboles on my drum set ringing, but I have another video with 8.5g in there, and I haven't made EGDN yet, but I like methyl nitrate because it uses the extra oxygen from the ETN, and is very brisant. Also, you can store it in a sealed container and unless you through it or jump on it, it'll last a long time
Regarding my personal experience with methyl nitrate, you can jump on it, throw it, smash it and it will not detonate. I wile back I threw a 10ml flask from 50m high and nothing happened. I have always felt ETN very hard to detonate by shock when in flakes (recrystallized from ethanol). Have you made some shock test with this mix?
I forgot, I "accidentally" did a shock test, it was a bad detonator(old ap, couldn't be pressed very much), it had enough force to completely pulverize the charge and ~2mm thick casing, but didn't set it off, so it's at least as stable as ETN
If you can lay your hands on some pure nitromethane it makes a great paste with ETN.
About 20% NM by mass will dissolve enough of the ETN to form a nice dence paste in the region of 1.5g/cc density.
Not quite as powerful as the methyl nitrate equivalent but atleast you only got to do the one nitration and the liquid does form the minority of the paste.
NM evaporates very quickly though so sealed containers all the way
really? erythritol is just sugar substitute, but methyl nitrate is about as stable as ETN, you need a pretty strong detonater(fresh, well pressed ap or stronger)
Pretty brisant? You have an explosive with a vod in the high 8000's. That's very brisant in my book. Unless of course you have some HNIW, HMX, or a few furazans laying around.
Well, I,m still figuering out what this stuff can do, but high vod doesn't always mean high brisance, PETN(vod8400m/s) has about the same brisance as TNT(vod6900m/s)
I didn't think TNT was more brisant than PETN but I do believe it scored higher in the Trazul. In any case, methyl nitrate nitrate is a very brisant explosive. When I experimented with methyl nitrate (never again) I noticed that when using it in expedient ammonia dynamite that it had more shattering power than the same dynamite made with NG. The "heaving" power seem to be greater with the NG dynamite however. How long can you store this paste before MN evaporates? Aluminized paste would be nice.
Nice work man! btw MEKP is the same as Methyl nitrate?
XBiteABulletX 10 months ago
@XBiteABulletX MEKP is Methyl Ethyl Ketone Peroxide, not nearly as powerful as Methyl Nitrate (MN), MEKP is a primary, like AP
BenHBX 10 months ago
I like how he shuts the door as he runs away :)
ObamaBinLaden456 1 year ago 2
awesome my two fav HE's. I lost a refrigerator to 2 grams ANMN with ETN/AP det, was supposed to be a small test that ripped the whole thing in pieces. nice work though. Ps i distil my MN muhahahah
arkfussion 1 year ago
Very nice.
Keep up the good work.
xxMadBomberxx 1 year ago
haha! 'kinda like jabba the hut' lol
lorddoug7 2 years ago
deathwish. holding that much homemade shit in your hand would freak me.
Ibringthetruth1 2 years ago
Nice one, but I highly doubt it got a density around 2g/cm³.
ETN has a density of 1.6, MN of 1.217g/cm³, the 66/34 OB mixture will be around 1.45g/cm³.
Think of it like this: the molecular interactions between MN and ETN molecules are almost equal to the interactions between MN and MN molecules, and ETN and ETN molecules (due to their chemical similarity, both being linear nitric esters), and this means that the density of the mixture will be not higher than the arithmetic mean density.
waketlanceewdew 2 years ago
Could isopropyl nitrate be substituted for the methyl nitrate for a less volatile, less sensitive mixture? How much would the power suffer? Oh, and would there be any benefit to gelatinising with nitrocellulose?
jhfgkhgable 2 years ago
I'm not sure of the brisance of isopropyl nitrate, but I know methyl nitrate is very brisant, and this stuff is actually pretty stable, I once used about .1g of old ap(that couldn't be packed much) as a primary, and it shattered the ~2mm thick plastic casing, and splattered the mix all over the garage door, but didn't set it off, and you could gelatinize with nitrocellulose if it is a better plasticizer, but power might suffer
BenHBX 2 years ago
@jhfgkhgable I've been there, done that. isopropyl nitrate is very unsensitive. A better option is Ethyl Nitrate. Almost as powerfull and a lot less sensitive.
adriiPortillo 1 year ago
@jhfgkhgable have you ever made isoprpal nitrate? its almost imposible with out super cooling it
arkfussion 1 year ago
can you use hydrochloric acid to synthesize etn instead of sulfuric acid
skaterboy3o3 2 years ago
no, the chloride ion isn't strong enough to displace the nitrate ion
BenHBX 2 years ago
What ratio do you use?
2 mol MN for 1 mol ETN?
This sounds like something I need to try when I get my "Lab" ready.
bb0ysmiley 2 years ago
That was the ratio in this video and the other 2 blasting paste videos, but I did another experiment with 19g MN and 25g ETN(every thing I had) and I think that was significantly denser than this, but I forgot about testing the density before using it.
BenHBX 2 years ago
Also, the mixture was a liquid
BenHBX 2 years ago
So ETN dissolves in MN?
bb0ysmiley 2 years ago
yes, MN is a pretty powerful non-polar solvant, it will also eat many kinds of plastic, like poly propylene, so finding a good casing is kind of a pain, but HDPE works
BenHBX 2 years ago
hi, i was wondering if you knew if MN would be corrosive/reactive with PVC conduit? it would be an ideal housing but i'd be worried about it eating through it.
adamcharles123456789 2 years ago
How can MN with 1.203 g/cm³ mixed with ETN at around 1,6 g/cm³ get around 2 g/cm³ ?
Very powerfull mix. What prossedure do you use for the MN?
bb0ysmiley 2 years ago
Partial molar volumes. look it up.
LabRat4680 2 years ago
Ah I see. MN is a liquid...
bb0ysmiley 2 years ago
Very nice. I just can´t understand why did you do it inside, 3,5g is a lot. You probably felt the door shake and the flour vibrate. I like methyl nitrate very much but I think it is too volatile, have you tried ETN with EGDN to compare?
nitrardo 2 years ago
I don't want to piss off my neighbores, and yeah, it was a pretty good sized charge, you can hear the symboles on my drum set ringing, but I have another video with 8.5g in there, and I haven't made EGDN yet, but I like methyl nitrate because it uses the extra oxygen from the ETN, and is very brisant. Also, you can store it in a sealed container and unless you through it or jump on it, it'll last a long time
BenHBX 2 years ago
Regarding my personal experience with methyl nitrate, you can jump on it, throw it, smash it and it will not detonate. I wile back I threw a 10ml flask from 50m high and nothing happened. I have always felt ETN very hard to detonate by shock when in flakes (recrystallized from ethanol). Have you made some shock test with this mix?
nitrardo 2 years ago
no shock tests yet, but it's probably at least as stable as MN
BenHBX 2 years ago
I forgot, I "accidentally" did a shock test, it was a bad detonator(old ap, couldn't be pressed very much), it had enough force to completely pulverize the charge and ~2mm thick casing, but didn't set it off, so it's at least as stable as ETN
BenHBX 2 years ago
If you can lay your hands on some pure nitromethane it makes a great paste with ETN.
About 20% NM by mass will dissolve enough of the ETN to form a nice dence paste in the region of 1.5g/cc density.
Not quite as powerful as the methyl nitrate equivalent but atleast you only got to do the one nitration and the liquid does form the minority of the paste.
NM evaporates very quickly though so sealed containers all the way
DeceitfulFrank 2 years ago
Aluminized forms of these mixes are the absolute shit against concrete and wood and for doing a bit or redneck fishin' ... go for up nto 10-20%
If you wanna bend, tear or blow upart steel however leave out the alu or use it up to max 5% to sensitize a wet dence ETN/ liquid mix.
DeceitfulFrank 2 years ago
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donnelrj01 2 years ago
i want to try with MHN ..i cant get erytritol in my country...
how much stable is methyl nitrate?
chemoxid 2 years ago
really? erythritol is just sugar substitute, but methyl nitrate is about as stable as ETN, you need a pretty strong detonater(fresh, well pressed ap or stronger)
BenHBX 2 years ago
yes i know but as i said in my country isnt avaible who knows why...
but my experience with MHN is pretty cool.
i will try to find out if i can get some erytritol..
chemoxid 2 years ago
the internet is a great source for almost anything, even controlled substances, I got my erythritol from ebay
BenHBX 2 years ago
you can really easily buy it off ebay
FOATE 2 years ago
Pretty brisant? You have an explosive with a vod in the high 8000's. That's very brisant in my book. Unless of course you have some HNIW, HMX, or a few furazans laying around.
iwasapenny 2 years ago
Well, I,m still figuering out what this stuff can do, but high vod doesn't always mean high brisance, PETN(vod8400m/s) has about the same brisance as TNT(vod6900m/s)
BenHBX 2 years ago
I didn't think TNT was more brisant than PETN but I do believe it scored higher in the Trazul. In any case, methyl nitrate nitrate is a very brisant explosive. When I experimented with methyl nitrate (never again) I noticed that when using it in expedient ammonia dynamite that it had more shattering power than the same dynamite made with NG. The "heaving" power seem to be greater with the NG dynamite however. How long can you store this paste before MN evaporates? Aluminized paste would be nice.
iwasapenny 2 years ago
I've never stored it for more than about 20 minutes, but aluminized will be next, and it will probably be a putty
BenHBX 2 years ago
!!!!
sparklerbombg 2 years ago