@aDinoSupremacist What's the passage #? Explain why so many "Allah Loving" Muslims kill many innocent people (women & children included). I don't think a loving God would say "kill all non-believers", that is very evil my friend! The Christian Holy Bible says "thou shalt not kill" (murder). or worship "false Gods"
@blackwingA520 Clearly you've never heard of the crusades. The bible also says you're to kill your wife if she lost her virginity before two married (specifically stoned.) Also the Quaran says you're not supposed to kill innocent people (women & children included.) Even priests are included. STFU since you don't know shit.
@aDinoSupremacist Yeah, I didn't think you could quote a specific passage. as for the bible, I'm not talking Old Testament, I'm talking about what goes on TODAY! How many headlines do you see saying "Christian extremist suicide bomber kills 52 people" you don't. It is always a "Muslim extremist". so bite my white ass!
And does that changes the bible was to manipulate the public at medieval age by the priests. There were many battles all around the world just to ''enlargen your religion'' several millions of people dead because of that. Better stop battles, combine our strength to kill terrorists and then stop improving artillery but science and help out your own people, presidents. Also i would like to remind i do not hate any religions because Qu'ran says not to and human's will must be free.
fuck all of you ppl that hate muslims! 1st- Judaism 2nd- Christianity (im catholic) 3rd- Islam all 3 religions worship the EXACT same God but call him different names all 3 religions follow old testament all 3 religions have the exact same Holy Land difference: christian believe Jesus was messiah while other 2 believe he was a prophet muslims believe in Mohammad they just add on ignorance!
As a Christian who went to a catholic school I was taught love and understanding for all religions. You preach that "christians love you" yet you spread false information about another people's beliefs. Who the hell do you think you are? Muslims are some of the nicest people you will meet. But because a few bad people happen to be Muslim suddenly they're all bad? Well lemme tell you something, there are plenty of people in maximum security prisons who are Christians.
@Rashellybee7 A "FEW" bad people??? a few is 2 , 3 maybe even 10, not thousands or even millions that are killing people around the world in the name of God.(Allah if you prefer) And if the rest of the "nicest people you will ever meet" don't agree with the bad ones, why are they allowing them to kill people? why aren't they standing up against them? I'll tell you why, because if they disagree with them they too will be killed. Do you see Christians doing this? No.
@RightsAndPrivileges No one said anything about "god-given rights." In the Constitution, the rights are "self-evident," not "god-given." Important difference.
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@tigersforchrist You sir are an ignorant, intolerant person. Please learn more about Islam before denouncing a whole religion on the grounds that some of the people do bad things. Hitler considered himself Christian and does that make Christianity inherently bad? No.
@tigersforchrist It is true that there are many examples of violence and bigotry in the Qu'ran. However, there are just as many in the Bible. But, just as all Christians do not believe in stoning adulterers, or selling a rape victim to her attacker, all Muslims do not follow and agree with every word of the Qu'ran, and instead live as peaceful, regular people.
@ishaan212 The Old Testament does, the New Testament does not, the Quran does and you are going to call yourself a Muslim you stay true you don’t bind the rules. If you’re true then you believe in the Hadith as well that the 12 Mahdi will one day soon rule the world.
@ST4leave I'm not a Muslim, not even close! But I thought that Christians follow the Old AND New testaments, as they believe in most of the Old testament stories (such as genesis).
@ishaan212 We believe the stories and old testaments; the New Testament which is when Jesus came in got rid of an eye for eye mentality. Jesus than said love your enemy, For give those who do you wrong, turn the other cheek, and still do good to those who do not do good to you. All thou it is hard to see so many Christians are so unlike their Christ. After Jesus left this Muhammad guy started preaching which if you read how Muhammad got his teachings, it goes directly against Galatians Ch1.
this isn't something I feel too strongly about so no need for any debate but can I ask why you think that...?? (BTW- Jews for Jesus and messianic Jews are the same thing right?)
I would add though, with no particular disrespect for your opinion, that as far as i'm concerned, new agers and unitarians etc. Heretically thinking they're Christians is a greater threat to the spread of the Gospel than 'Jews for Jesus'. it does far more harm.
@blackoutninja Yeah they're the same thing. Its not an issue for christians, if anything it's an issue for Jews. In an already dwindling community that makes up .01% of the world, it's a problem. You simply can't be jewish and believe in Jesus.
@shankpeterman hmm, as long as you were to make a distinction between the Jews of the Bible and the Jews of today I would probably agree with you there.
then of course there's debate as to the definition of a Jew as opposed to a Hebrew and all that, but that's maybe a different issue.
@shankpeterman oh okay! i just wanted to make sure and all.
btw i know the Jewish faith is dwindling but i lived really close to a Jewish community and recently saw a bunch of Jews at six flags so hearing that to me is always a surprise
@blackoutninja I was referring to your ''you cannot be a unitarian christian'' comment. I apologize for my words, but what you are saying is quite harsh.
@RightsAndPrivileges You are in no position to be criticizing ANYONE of intolerance based on all of the comments that you have posted, or even based on your channel. Under your information you repeatedly talk about Muslims as scum who deserve death (yeah, you're going to say that's not intolerant at all). Try not to be a pathetic hypocrite, before accusing other people of intolerance, try to show some tolerance yourself.
@RightsAndPrivileges And no, I don't call Muhammad a prophet, as I said before, I'm an Atheist. However, I do something that you seem to have trouble with, and that is respecting peoples right to believe in him and what he said.
@RightsAndPrivileges Actually, out of my examples, three of them referred to civilizations that no longer exist. The rest apply to people in general.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) was just one of those. However, unlike you do to Muslims, I don;t take these quotes from the Bible and apply them to every Christian alive.
@RightsAndPrivileges "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)
@RightsAndPrivileges I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD(Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT) Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood(Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
@RightsAndPrivileges Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
@RightsAndPrivileges Oh, you asked for examples of intolerance in the Bible? Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
@RightsAndPrivileges Nice, coming from someone who was speaking out against racism and bigotry. And you have yet to provide any evidence supporting your claims. And the reconquista was not only against muslims, they killed the jews, along with anyone who wasn't catholic.
@RightsAndPrivileges Hey. Before you continue your attack on the Koran for being intolerant, please explain why it's okay for the bible to have examples of gross intolerance but not anyone else's holy book?
@RightsAndPrivileges The crusades were started by the Catholic church, whose armies killed thousands of civilians. So it wasn't a murder of Christians, it was murder BY Christians.
@Xx2revolver3xX That was a really intelligent statement, I hate all religion, You don't even know your head from a hole in the ground. Jesus stood for Loving your enemy, and caring for the poor , widows and orphans. How can you be against that? you must be an Athiest.
@Xx2revolver3xX Dude I read all of your comment, are you a dead brain religious conservative and fundamentalist who doesn't think about other religion at all? where do you live? did you go out with a terrorist put a infrared on your forehead? if not! open your eyes! you've been brainwashed like the damn fundamentalist like Osama and other terrorist group!
@RightsAndPrivileges Like I said, it's a point of views, that's HOW YOU THINK AND SEE OFF. there's no annihilation or murder any jews and christian at all, Any reason why do god kill his own creation while Satan laughing with delight over our action?
@RightsAndPrivileges I'm not saying that the electoral college is a great system, but simply pointing out that his statement about its purpose was a lie. I know that it has its flaws, but it was not, as doobersmanster said, created with Islam in mind. I was telling him to back up his arguments with real, not made up, facts.
Your thoughts on Islam seem much more intolerant and bigoted than anything that Muslims in America are doing right now.
The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.
@ishaan212 Look if you so called "nice " muslims are the "NORM" then why don't you just take care of these organizations that are blowing up Planes and killing innocent people? OH I see not your problem, right? tell that to all of the victims of Muslim terroists that have killed peoples sisters, brothers, mothers daughters..ect. I am not making up anything Mr. Cornhole. You are the Biggot and racist..Stop the killing and burning of Churches of Christians in Muslim states NOW> You are sick.
@doobersmanster I'm a racist and bigot for preaching tolerance? And as I live in America, and don't belong to any religion, I don't see what I have to do with the burning of churches in Muslim countries. But, as for Christianity, history has been tainted with examples of their violence. For example, the Spanish Inquisition, where almost every muslim or jew in Spain was killed or driven out. Or the conquest of America (supported by the church), which wiped out 90% of the Native Population.
@doobersmanster Furthermore, church was responsible for the lack of progress in Europe. They put Galileo under house arrest for stating that the Earth went around the Sun. Anyone who spoke out against them was burned as a heretic. They began the crusades, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. All of this was done in the name of God. So before accusing any religion of violence, please, look in any book on European history, and you'll find all the intolerance and hatred that you need.
Just wait till the Muslims get control of the Law and are a Majority...they will respect no religion but their own...what a bunch of Ignorant fools...the Muslims will kill or enslave everyone that is not a MUslim. You wold not see a bunch of people protesting the Burning of the Bible!!! Does that not tell you something you IDIOTS? ISLAM is not a LEgitamate Religion, but a political movement!are so stupid..Our founding fathers warned us against the MUHAMEDIANS! REASON 4 ELECTORIAL COLLEGE
Someday, I wanna get a copy of every single religious book (including a few science books, for good measure), invite everyone I know, and go from an anti-religion book burning to a who-cares barbecue! Seriously, it's the perfect counterattack to things like this!
Just because something may be illegal does not necessarily make it the wrong thing to do. Lawmakers are ignorant of plenty of things. Including the forefathers who could never have foreseen some of the situations we are witness to today, and will be witness to in the future.
In other words "Fuck the law.", when it cannot be utilized to keep the peace and freedom it was meant to protect.
"In other words "Fuck the law.", when it cannot be utilized to keep the peace and freedom it was meant to protect."
I have two problems with this. First of all, it can be utilized to uphold the freedom. Only one freedom was actually denied here, the freedom to protest. The protest didn't actually stop the mosque from being build, it was just a way to show disagreement with the ruling.
Second of all, how did it not keep the peace? No one was harmed.
"The only thing that burning a Koran could have possibly added to that situation is the outrage of his opponent"
Mate, the very point of being an opponent is to oppose whatever the other party is doing. If that is the reason you disagree with burning the Quran, then are you implying that Muslims are going to go mental over it and kill people? If so, that's their responsibility, for taken offense, not Grishams.
I can go blow up an abortionclinic if I was a crazy pro-lifer and claim that it being there plus a pro-choice protest outraged me. Is it then out of my hands, am I absolved of all responsibility and it is the fault of the people to whom I've take offense for protesting? No.
You are saying that Muslims are too easily butthurt to handle oppoition and violent in nature. You are implying that in your comments. Maybe you didn't mean it like that, but that's how it comes across.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I'm saying when any people are oppressed, then persecuted unjustly for the horrendous crimes of a few, then oppressed some more, and targeted for bigotry, and then their very religion itself comes under attack, that the odds of one of the people reacting violently are very high. I'm saying that this is what Grisham was counting on, and that his motive was ill conceived and obvious. This is the only plausible and most likely motive for Grisham burning a Koran...
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Not only was Grisham safe and sound when he left the park that day, but he was forced to recognize the flaw in his own obvious assumptions. It was not a Muslim that took the Koran away from him. Nobody touched him at all in fact. The Koran was swiped from the grill that it was about to be ignited upon. If that's petty theft, so be it. Isom's act was well worth any repercussions. Poetic justice served. Did the law learn anything from it? doubtful here.
If Grisham kills someone it's not the Muslims fault, even if he claims he was outraged by the plans to build a mosque. If Muslims are outraged and kill someone over this, it's not Grishams fault vice versa.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Those are hypothetical situations that never occurred though. Also, I quite obviously do not mean to say that the law is always wrong. It simply is never, always right. Despite what you said above, the incitement of a riot is still illegal, because it's evil. That was decided long ago. Any reasonable person could foresee that burning it would have added fuel to the fire of a people's passion for their religion. He went looking for results from his act, and it was denied. Good!
We should probably stop arguing, because at this point I'm really experiencing an incommunsurability with everything you say. There's nothing I can say to you to make clear human and civic rights are above other people's feelings or popular votes and, to be honest, I'm a civil libertarian and human rights activist and there's a pretty slim chance you'll be able to convince me of the opposite.
The only thing that burning a Koran could have possibly added to that situation is the outrage of his opponents, it would have been inflammatory, therefore making very close if not definition incitement of a riot, which is illegal.
Grisham's intent was to be attacked so he could show why the followers of the Muslim religion, worldwide should be feared and hated, and believe me there are people looking for an excuse like that. What Isom did was a service to mankind.
At first I found this funny, but let's think about what this guy really did. He tried to deny a citizen (a stupid one, but one nonetheless) the right to protest, which isn't just a civic right, but an actual human right. And people are just cheering for it...
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH While true that the right to protest is or should be a human right worldwide. It goes without saying that there were other ways he could have gotten his point across. Verbally and the fact that his intent was to burn it were plenty. We all got the point. So, he got his point across and was therefore not denied the right to protest, only the inflammatory method in which he originally intended was denied, and it was moot. What if he wanted to protest by killing, human right?
"What if he wanted to protest by killing, human right?"
No, because killing is a violation of human rights. You can not violate someone else's human rights, that's a given. The skater-guy can't deny someone to burn a book and the idiot can't kill someone.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Well, a bad example on my part I suppose. So, should the WBC be allowed to do what they do? I personally don't think so, but let's not argue other cases, as each is unique.
To burn the Koran would have been a blatant disregard for public safety. Denying many people their human right of public safety. Also, his right to protest was never impeded only that one method was as I stated above. After all, burning the Koran was not the only way he could get his point across.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH The entire point of Grisham's protest was that he was offended at plans to build a Muslim community center near ground zero. So, the burning of the Koran is a symbol of his own "offended card" being played. Why do you seem to find it ok for non-Muslims to be offended with Muslims but not vice versa?
Isom's act is also an act of protest. It shows that not all of us non-Muslims will turn to the mistrust and hate of an entire people due to the actions of a few.
But he didn't push legislation on his offended-card. He actually did the proper thing. He didn't sue, he decided to do a protest, as people have done counter-protests against the WBC. There is a saying: "I don't agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". That beats the "I don't like what you said, so I'm going to make sure people are banned from saying it"-mentality by a long shot.
"Why do you seem to find it ok for non-Muslims to be offended with Muslims but not vice versa?"
I don't? I don't really care if you are offended. Be offended all you like, but don't deny other people human rights because you are offended. I could probably relate more with the skater-guy than the twat who wanted to burn the Quran, and that guy was irresponsible with the freedoms given to him, but that doesn't give the other guy the right to try and take that freedom or human right.
"Isom's act is also an act of protest. It shows that not all of us non-Muslims will turn to the mistrust and hate of an entire people due to the actions of a few."
In his protest he violated the human rights of the guy who wanted to burn the Quran. The guy who wanted to burn the Quran wasn't violating anyone's human rights. I'm sorry, but it's that simple. Human rights, it ends there.
Let me be clear of this, before anyone decides to claim that I am biased against Muslims. I am biased against every religion, I'll be honest with you, I think religion is a scourge. But I don't think religion is everything. I can view Muslims beyond their religion, as I can many of my friends who are of various religions (including Islam). The mosque should have been build. The Constitution allows for it to be build. But it also allows for people to protest.
For example, I can dislike religion all I want. I can protest and show how much I disagree with what you are doing. But what I can not do is try to implement thought crime, ban religion or ban religious buildings from being build.
There is a guy called Geert WIlders here in Europe, who tries to ban the Quran. I have endlessly argued with the mindless drones who follow him in this. I can burn a Quran, but what I can not do is ban it. I can take sides with Muslims as well.
First of all, Grisham's supporters did try legally to stop that community center from being built. wwwwndcom/?pageId=188109 Secondly, what legislation did Isom push by taking the Koran? Third, Grisham still was not, in fact banned from saying what he wanted to say. We all know what he wanted, to stop that community center from being built. In fact it was covered endlessly by the media,and his viewpoint is still being covered. What does a burning add to his argument?
Off course they did, I wouldn't have suspected any less from an intolerant sob like Grisham. But he can't overrule the Constitution that's what it's there for. So he protested. Do I think his point was stupid? Yes. Should he be allowed to bring it across in a way that didn't harm anyone, regardless of my or anyone's opinion? Yes.
The problem with Isom is not that he was trying to push legislation, but that he was denying someone else a Constitutional, civic and human right.
The burning is just a sign of disagreement. Surely, it was probably inflammatory but s is burning flags. Burning symbols is a gesture of demonstrating that you disagree with the values behind that symbol. Your forefathers burned the English flag, I'd burn my flag under the current legislation in my country. Again, burning symbols because you disagree with people is a lot better than burning people because you disagree with people.
I take the side of the people who are right, who aren't trying to violate civil rights or human liberties. Their religion can be irrelevant in that (it can also be relevant if someone is trying to push legislation on religion, but that's not the case here).
So don't say that I find it ok for non-Muslims to be offended with Muslims but not vice versa, as if to imply I am some irrational Islamophobic idiot.
"To burn the Koran would have been a blatant disregard for public safety. "
By that same logic ban fireworks. Come one, be honest, if the fire department was present there, would you have felt different about the protest?
The manner in which they protested or my or your opinion about it is irrelevant. Perhaps there are better ways to bring your point across than burning flags or books. But it is just a symbol, and they burned symbols because they disagreed with them, not people.
Human rights, civic rights and constitutions serve a purpose besides preventing harm to people from being done. They also serve to protect unpopular ideas, like that of the idiot who wanted to burn the Quran. They protect unpopular ideas because popular ideas don't need to be protected. That's a good thing because sometimes unpopular ideas are good. Freedom-rights always come in excess, we have to live with that. It's a lot better than having a shortage of them.
"So, should the WBC be allowed to do what they do"
Yes, they should. As I said, with freedom comes excess. That excess serves to make sure you can't be sued for skimming the border. If the WBC isn't allowed to yell "faggots go to hell", what's to stop Muhammed-cartoons from being banned? People call the "offended-card" extremely fast and without that excess of freedom, I think we'd lose more freedoms than we'd like to concepts like "hate-speech" and "being offended".
the Israeli Lobby misused Bush to attack muslim world in iraq & afganistan through 9/11;now this lobby is trying desperately to destroy harmony between christian & muslim worlds to pave way for attack on countries like iran, pakistan in the event their 'tea party' gains power; americans beware of Israeli Lobby misuing America; the cost of two wars in iraq & afghanistan is $12 trillion with 10000 sons of american mothers dead & over 70,000 maimed for life; THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ISRAELI CASUALTY
@ismat45 You do realise that that your "bible" was writing after all the others as it was and is the newest religion that stole its contents from the other "holy" books? Thats why it has references to other world events. Plus its a very poorly writing book that even proves that what yo usay is wrong, as you seem to pick and choose what to think. Please open your eyes and realise that its man made, there is no "god" and to stop being brainwashed and think for yourself.
Leading scientists of the modern world have already given their verdict that Quran is the Word of Allah, as 1400 years back, an unlettered person living in the remote, backward regions of saudi arabia could have no access to such facts of scientific knowledge which modern science has discovered only during the last 50 to 70 years; Youtube [Holy] Quran : Top Scientists Comments on Scientific Miracles in the Quran * # Faith and Science #
@ismat45 No they havent what are you talking about. consider that firstly any scientist will tell you that religion is a lod of crap And second how can that be the ocorrect one when it is the newest out of them all?
@ismat45 No they havent what are you talking about. consider that firstly any scientist will tell you that religion is a lod of crap And second how can that be the ocorrect one when it is the newest out of them all?
Prof Tagatat Tejasen,Chairman Deptt of Anatomy Chiang Mai University, Thailand embraced Islam during the 8th Saudi Medical Cnference,Riyadh when reading a Quranic verse on pain (receptors) in human body;
Prof(Dr.) Keith Moore, chairman deptt of anatomy,university of Toronto,Canada ,stated during 7th Medical Conference in ,saudi arabia quote " it has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah,because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many many centuries later. this proves to me that Muhammad must have been a Messenger of Allah." unquote
Professor Alfred Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists talking about the common origin of the earth and universe (The big bang theory in the Quran). He said quote: Thinking where Muhammad came from . . . I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case...unquote
Prof A. Kroner also said quote: Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin; unquote.
CONTD It is also reported she was 10 years younger than her sister Asma who died in AH 73 at the age of 100 years which shows Ayesha's age to be 17 years at the time of marriage; Too many hadith contradict the fact she was married at the age of 9 years old;END
CONTD Ibn Tabari in Tarikh Tabari, vol. 4, p. 50 wrote that Aisha was born even before the Prophethood of Muhammad pbuhThe marriage took place 14 years after the Prophethood. This mean she was at least 14 or 15 when she was married.It's reported that she was about 5 years younger than Fatima meaning she's at least 18-20 when she was married.
regards ayesha's age latest research shows the hadiths of ibn hajar,tabari hisham, & ibn humbal contradict each other; in fact ayesha who participated in battle of Badr & Uhud herself states all participants under 15 years of age were sent back by the prophet from the battle field;this shows ayesha was atleast 15 years of age before consummation of marriage;CONTD
Japan would have surrendered if simply guaranteed that the Emperor would be allowed to continue as formal head of state,& Japanese diplomatic messages regarding a possible Soviet mediation—intercepted through Magic, were made available to the Allied leader
While I do mostly agree with you Tranquil, I don't on the last part. The dude's from Pakistan, the fact that he can speak English that well is already pretty damn impressive to me. It enrages me when native English speakers speak like that, but for ESLers, I'm fine as long as I can understand 'em.
@94nonogirl No! I think you should do something better with your time than waste it on reading stupid books. Why don't you read Mark Twain's "Mysterious Stranger" instead?
why do I get the feeling that this heroic skateboarder wouldn't be so quick to interfere with the fine gentlemen who burn the Amercian Flag in this video:
@1big101 it is pedophile, which is psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger), but for mr.mohammed, i bring new defintion, it's phedophile (6 years old), just try imagine, there was sadistic gramps want to have sex with your lil sist
@IndoCommunist If you're gonna make accusations like this, you better have some historic proof. It doesn't say anywhere that Muhammad (pbuh) had sexual relations with any 6 year olds. Yes it's true, he married a young girl through the marriage ceremony along with several other women, and the reason for that was to unify the different tribes of that time. But he didn't even live with her until many many years later, when she grew up. So if you're gonna talk trash, get some proof for your dignity.
@bballtab15 i read Hadits Shahih Bukhari, pedophile mohammed married aisha when she 6's old, then had sex on 9's old. i don't talk trash, i tell the truth
first the threat was Communism & now guns have turned towards Islam; the fact is the Illuminati always needs some THREAT to justify billion-dollar budget of NATO forces which crushing burden is being borne by the poor european tax payer; after fall of Communism the NATO ought to have been disbanded but this was not done & to justify it's continuance the mega event 9/11 was perpetrated by MOSSAD; Tony Blair & other european leaders are all responsible for hoodwinking european public;
The US state of Massachusetts General Laws states (chapter 272 section 36) " Whosoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation,government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus,Christ or Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt & ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail......
Vatican cardinal Achille Silvestrini condemned the cartoons, saying western culture has to know its limits. It is thus clearly apparent that using freedom of speech to imply that there are no limits to what one can say or do is a myth;...
Those who advocate the right of freedom of speech must look within their own ' democratic societies' the extent to which their civil liberties have been eroded through the recent anti- terrorist legislation;
if under freedom of expression one can abuse Islam then why in many european countries it is a crime to deny the holocaust being a criminal offence in belgium,france,germany, austria, switzerland etc; punishable by fines & a jail sentence; the question is can an individual ridicule & insult the sacred elements of an entire civilisation
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So uh, they violated Mr. Grisham's right to protest? He wasn't preventing anyone from worshipping how they wish to- therefore, Grisham had every right to burn the Qur'an.
This is your right to free speech being taken away. Dude, you have no rights!
While I think public Qur'an burning is stupid and accomplishes nothing, people still have a right to...
@MrFlylice Grisham had as much right to the free speech of burning a Koran as we all have of yelling "FIRE!" in a packed theater. 1st amendment does not apply here.
Highly publicized burning of a Koran would do nothing but enrage extremists giving them further reason to hate and kill our soldiers/loved ones overseas. Yes, some extremists have burned bibles, but this eye for an eye shit has to end at some point. Saving the Koran was an act of peace. A true holy-man would know better.
@o1dh4k We have four freedoms: Freedom from Want, Freedom of Expression, Freedom to Worship, and, lastly, Freedom from Fear. You're implying that we should essentially ban Qur'an burning (as a form of protest) because we're afraid. Is this really what it's come down to? We can't say what we want (even if it's stupid) because we're afraid of the violent reactions of others- just as a man in the 16th century feared his King's reaction for speaking out against the Crown.
@MrFlylice I never implied anything of the sort other than that a true holy man should know better. Grisham is simply a troublemaker trying to build a name for himself by creating an inflammatory environment through committing controversial acts. The gesture of burning it is ill-conceived and intolerant towards an entire religion due to the actions of some extremist elements within.
Isom saved the US from association with Grisham. Muslims should have a chance to disassociate with extremism.
You guys don't burn the Quran because Allah will write it in a notebook and then once you die he will burn you
zehara911 4 days ago
Has anybody who hates Islam even read the Bible?
aDinoSupremacist 5 days ago
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I love this man.
allure1887 6 days ago
I love this man.
allure1887 6 days ago
Wouldnt it be awesome if this guy turned up in Afghanistan and defused the whole 'US army burning korans' situation
GETFUCKEDRETARD 6 days ago
Take your evil Quran book and shove it up your ass! Christ is the only true God.
blackwingA520 1 week ago
@blackwingA520 Guess what, Christ is in the Quran you dumbass.
aDinoSupremacist 5 days ago
@aDinoSupremacist What's the passage #? Explain why so many "Allah Loving" Muslims kill many innocent people (women & children included). I don't think a loving God would say "kill all non-believers", that is very evil my friend! The Christian Holy Bible says "thou shalt not kill" (murder). or worship "false Gods"
blackwingA520 5 days ago
@blackwingA520 Clearly you've never heard of the crusades. The bible also says you're to kill your wife if she lost her virginity before two married (specifically stoned.) Also the Quaran says you're not supposed to kill innocent people (women & children included.) Even priests are included. STFU since you don't know shit.
aDinoSupremacist 5 days ago
@aDinoSupremacist Yeah, I didn't think you could quote a specific passage. as for the bible, I'm not talking Old Testament, I'm talking about what goes on TODAY! How many headlines do you see saying "Christian extremist suicide bomber kills 52 people" you don't. It is always a "Muslim extremist". so bite my white ass!
blackwingA520 5 days ago
@blackwingA520 Surah 19:30-35
aDinoSupremacist 5 days ago
@aDinoSupremacist Sorry I can't look it up right now, the Quran I had was just burned and flushed down the toilet.
blackwingA520 5 days ago
@blackwingA520 well that goes to show how smart you are.
aDinoSupremacist 5 days ago
@blackwingA520 People like you add nothing good to the world.
LeCigouave 1 day ago
@MrMarksman36 If you burn a quran on earth, allah shits his pants, because he can't stop it. He's already been judged and sent to hell.
lovehatingevil 1 week ago
so awesome i wanna smoke pot with that guy
fartchunk 1 week ago
If you burn Quran on Earth.Quran will burn you in Hell.
MrMarksman36 1 week ago
@MrMarksman36 What did you say? allah was giving me a blow job while you were speaking so i missed it.
mrfrednoname 6 days ago
And does that changes the bible was to manipulate the public at medieval age by the priests. There were many battles all around the world just to ''enlargen your religion'' several millions of people dead because of that. Better stop battles, combine our strength to kill terrorists and then stop improving artillery but science and help out your own people, presidents. Also i would like to remind i do not hate any religions because Qu'ran says not to and human's will must be free.
TheMonkeyWithTheHat 2 weeks ago
what a boss.
happysadbanana 2 weeks ago
DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAAN !!!! hippies teleported to future to prevent book burnings.
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devilownsmenot500 1 month ago
@tigersforchrist
As a Christian who went to a catholic school I was taught love and understanding for all religions. You preach that "christians love you" yet you spread false information about another people's beliefs. Who the hell do you think you are? Muslims are some of the nicest people you will meet. But because a few bad people happen to be Muslim suddenly they're all bad? Well lemme tell you something, there are plenty of people in maximum security prisons who are Christians.
Rashellybee7 1 month ago
@Rashellybee7 A "FEW" bad people??? a few is 2 , 3 maybe even 10, not thousands or even millions that are killing people around the world in the name of God.(Allah if you prefer) And if the rest of the "nicest people you will ever meet" don't agree with the bad ones, why are they allowing them to kill people? why aren't they standing up against them? I'll tell you why, because if they disagree with them they too will be killed. Do you see Christians doing this? No.
blackwingA520 5 days ago
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The Qu'ran DOES call for war against all who don't believe in it:
"Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war..."
- Book 019, Number 4294
Just saying...
RightsAndPriviIeges 1 month ago
@RightsAndPrivileges No one said anything about "god-given rights." In the Constitution, the rights are "self-evident," not "god-given." Important difference.
Eetaq 1 month ago
BS! Muhammad was a violent Evil now dead Murderer! Islam/Quran is corrupt! Jesus/Peace/Healed/Blessed/Salvation/God! All Muslims who became Christians are free of abuse/misery! Islam leaders are killing you! Christians Love You! Please accept Jesus Christ as your Savior! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Be free of Islam lies! Visit cbn.com /podcast
tigersforchrist 1 month ago 2
@tigersforchrist all religions are shit, now stop your propaganda....
Lucassandro25 1 month ago
@tigersforchrist if your priests can't have kids cause they're considered "saints", then why do you say GOD had a son named Jesus?
LunaticAzyLhomme 1 month ago
@tigersforchrist blah blah you have anger management problems.
Eetaq 1 month ago
@tigersforchrist meow for jesus!
shankpeterman 1 month ago
@tigersforchrist You sir are an ignorant, intolerant person. Please learn more about Islam before denouncing a whole religion on the grounds that some of the people do bad things. Hitler considered himself Christian and does that make Christianity inherently bad? No.
Winner092 1 month ago 12
@tigersforchrist It is true that there are many examples of violence and bigotry in the Qu'ran. However, there are just as many in the Bible. But, just as all Christians do not believe in stoning adulterers, or selling a rape victim to her attacker, all Muslims do not follow and agree with every word of the Qu'ran, and instead live as peaceful, regular people.
ishaan212 1 month ago
@ishaan212 The Old Testament does, the New Testament does not, the Quran does and you are going to call yourself a Muslim you stay true you don’t bind the rules. If you’re true then you believe in the Hadith as well that the 12 Mahdi will one day soon rule the world.
ST4leave 1 month ago
@ST4leave I'm not a Muslim, not even close! But I thought that Christians follow the Old AND New testaments, as they believe in most of the Old testament stories (such as genesis).
ishaan212 4 weeks ago
@ishaan212 We believe the stories and old testaments; the New Testament which is when Jesus came in got rid of an eye for eye mentality. Jesus than said love your enemy, For give those who do you wrong, turn the other cheek, and still do good to those who do not do good to you. All thou it is hard to see so many Christians are so unlike their Christ. After Jesus left this Muhammad guy started preaching which if you read how Muhammad got his teachings, it goes directly against Galatians Ch1.
ST4leave 4 weeks ago
Dude you have no Quran!
mhamadac 2 months ago
you cannot be a unitarian christian
blackoutninja 2 months ago
@blackoutninja you also can't be a jew for jesus
shankpeterman 1 month ago
@shankpeterman theologies aide for a moment, what motivates you to say that at this particular moment???
blackoutninja 1 month ago
@blackoutninja It's another theological contradiction... just felt like saying it I guess?
shankpeterman 1 month ago
@shankpeterman okay then.
this isn't something I feel too strongly about so no need for any debate but can I ask why you think that...?? (BTW- Jews for Jesus and messianic Jews are the same thing right?)
I would add though, with no particular disrespect for your opinion, that as far as i'm concerned, new agers and unitarians etc. Heretically thinking they're Christians is a greater threat to the spread of the Gospel than 'Jews for Jesus'. it does far more harm.
God bless you. Peace
blackoutninja 1 month ago
@blackoutninja Yeah they're the same thing. Its not an issue for christians, if anything it's an issue for Jews. In an already dwindling community that makes up .01% of the world, it's a problem. You simply can't be jewish and believe in Jesus.
shankpeterman 1 month ago
@shankpeterman hmm, as long as you were to make a distinction between the Jews of the Bible and the Jews of today I would probably agree with you there.
then of course there's debate as to the definition of a Jew as opposed to a Hebrew and all that, but that's maybe a different issue.
blackoutninja 1 month ago
@shankpeterman yes you can! there's jewish faith and than there's jewish race...
Get ur damn fact straight!
devilownsmenot500 1 month ago
@devilownsmenot500 Dude i was talking about religious beliefs, not ethnicity. I'm jewish, I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight...
shankpeterman 1 month ago
@shankpeterman oh okay! i just wanted to make sure and all.
btw i know the Jewish faith is dwindling but i lived really close to a Jewish community and recently saw a bunch of Jews at six flags so hearing that to me is always a surprise
devilownsmenot500 1 month ago
@blackoutninja fascist
isubo 1 month ago
@isubo excuse me??
blackoutninja 1 month ago
@blackoutninja I was referring to your ''you cannot be a unitarian christian'' comment. I apologize for my words, but what you are saying is quite harsh.
isubo 2 weeks ago
religion makes humans look bad.
MuSiCk96 2 months ago
hahaha Hilarious, but thats really the thing I hate about Christianity, they'll Destroy anything that they don't agree with.
RyanKenny59 2 months ago
lmfaoooo hahahah dude u have no quran LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
mhmcupcakes 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges You are in no position to be criticizing ANYONE of intolerance based on all of the comments that you have posted, or even based on your channel. Under your information you repeatedly talk about Muslims as scum who deserve death (yeah, you're going to say that's not intolerant at all). Try not to be a pathetic hypocrite, before accusing other people of intolerance, try to show some tolerance yourself.
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges And no, I don't call Muhammad a prophet, as I said before, I'm an Atheist. However, I do something that you seem to have trouble with, and that is respecting peoples right to believe in him and what he said.
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Actually, out of my examples, three of them referred to civilizations that no longer exist. The rest apply to people in general.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) was just one of those. However, unlike you do to Muslims, I don;t take these quotes from the Bible and apply them to every Christian alive.
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges And invader on foreign land? I'm an american born atheist.
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)
Want more?
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD(Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT) Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood(Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Oh, you asked for examples of intolerance in the Bible? Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Nice, coming from someone who was speaking out against racism and bigotry. And you have yet to provide any evidence supporting your claims. And the reconquista was not only against muslims, they killed the jews, along with anyone who wasn't catholic.
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges please, would you care to provide some evidence, such as where you found the information?
ishaan212 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Hey. Before you continue your attack on the Koran for being intolerant, please explain why it's okay for the bible to have examples of gross intolerance but not anyone else's holy book?
kthxbai.
G0ldbl4e 2 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges The crusades were started by the Catholic church, whose armies killed thousands of civilians. So it wasn't a murder of Christians, it was murder BY Christians.
en. wikipedia. org/wiki /Crusades
ishaan212 2 months ago
@Xx2revolver3xX That was a really intelligent statement, I hate all religion, You don't even know your head from a hole in the ground. Jesus stood for Loving your enemy, and caring for the poor , widows and orphans. How can you be against that? you must be an Athiest.
doobersmanster 2 months ago
@Xx2revolver3xX Dude I read all of your comment, are you a dead brain religious conservative and fundamentalist who doesn't think about other religion at all? where do you live? did you go out with a terrorist put a infrared on your forehead? if not! open your eyes! you've been brainwashed like the damn fundamentalist like Osama and other terrorist group!
TheBrazenHell 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Like I said, it's a point of views, that's HOW YOU THINK AND SEE OFF. there's no annihilation or murder any jews and christian at all, Any reason why do god kill his own creation while Satan laughing with delight over our action?
TheBrazenHell 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges There's a few flaws and good things in all holy book, it just depend on certain point of views!
TheBrazenHell 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges I'm not saying that the electoral college is a great system, but simply pointing out that his statement about its purpose was a lie. I know that it has its flaws, but it was not, as doobersmanster said, created with Islam in mind. I was telling him to back up his arguments with real, not made up, facts.
ishaan212 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Would you care to state some of these examples, rather than simply saying that they exist?
ishaan212 3 months ago
I snuck up behind him and took his shirt. He said something about wearing a shirt and I said 'dude, you have no shirt,' and ran off.
bobmanbob3 3 months ago
@doobersmanster
Your thoughts on Islam seem much more intolerant and bigoted than anything that Muslims in America are doing right now.
The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.
Please don't make up "facts".
ishaan212 3 months ago
@ishaan212 Look if you so called "nice " muslims are the "NORM" then why don't you just take care of these organizations that are blowing up Planes and killing innocent people? OH I see not your problem, right? tell that to all of the victims of Muslim terroists that have killed peoples sisters, brothers, mothers daughters..ect. I am not making up anything Mr. Cornhole. You are the Biggot and racist..Stop the killing and burning of Churches of Christians in Muslim states NOW> You are sick.
doobersmanster 2 months ago
@doobersmanster I'm a racist and bigot for preaching tolerance? And as I live in America, and don't belong to any religion, I don't see what I have to do with the burning of churches in Muslim countries. But, as for Christianity, history has been tainted with examples of their violence. For example, the Spanish Inquisition, where almost every muslim or jew in Spain was killed or driven out. Or the conquest of America (supported by the church), which wiped out 90% of the Native Population.
ishaan212 2 months ago
@doobersmanster Furthermore, church was responsible for the lack of progress in Europe. They put Galileo under house arrest for stating that the Earth went around the Sun. Anyone who spoke out against them was burned as a heretic. They began the crusades, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. All of this was done in the name of God. So before accusing any religion of violence, please, look in any book on European history, and you'll find all the intolerance and hatred that you need.
ishaan212 2 months ago
@doobersmanster Oh yeah, Islam and Christianity aren't "races", so that's just a false label.
ishaan212 2 months ago
Just wait till the Muslims get control of the Law and are a Majority...they will respect no religion but their own...what a bunch of Ignorant fools...the Muslims will kill or enslave everyone that is not a MUslim. You wold not see a bunch of people protesting the Burning of the Bible!!! Does that not tell you something you IDIOTS? ISLAM is not a LEgitamate Religion, but a political movement!are so stupid..Our founding fathers warned us against the MUHAMEDIANS! REASON 4 ELECTORIAL COLLEGE
doobersmanster 3 months ago
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LoveMetal02 3 months ago
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mizmeah 3 months ago
Although they're jerks, they have the right to burn a book.
ThatOneIdiotWeHate 4 months ago
@ThatOneIdiotWeHate People that burn holy books aren't "Jerks", they are pieces of human excrement.
jordach545 4 months ago
Someday, I wanna get a copy of every single religious book (including a few science books, for good measure), invite everyone I know, and go from an anti-religion book burning to a who-cares barbecue! Seriously, it's the perfect counterattack to things like this!
mewtwo711 5 months ago
Just because something may be illegal does not necessarily make it the wrong thing to do. Lawmakers are ignorant of plenty of things. Including the forefathers who could never have foreseen some of the situations we are witness to today, and will be witness to in the future.
In other words "Fuck the law.", when it cannot be utilized to keep the peace and freedom it was meant to protect.
o1dh4k 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
"In other words "Fuck the law.", when it cannot be utilized to keep the peace and freedom it was meant to protect."
I have two problems with this. First of all, it can be utilized to uphold the freedom. Only one freedom was actually denied here, the freedom to protest. The protest didn't actually stop the mosque from being build, it was just a way to show disagreement with the ruling.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
Second of all, how did it not keep the peace? No one was harmed.
"The only thing that burning a Koran could have possibly added to that situation is the outrage of his opponent"
Mate, the very point of being an opponent is to oppose whatever the other party is doing. If that is the reason you disagree with burning the Quran, then are you implying that Muslims are going to go mental over it and kill people? If so, that's their responsibility, for taken offense, not Grishams.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
I can go blow up an abortionclinic if I was a crazy pro-lifer and claim that it being there plus a pro-choice protest outraged me. Is it then out of my hands, am I absolved of all responsibility and it is the fault of the people to whom I've take offense for protesting? No.
You are saying that Muslims are too easily butthurt to handle oppoition and violent in nature. You are implying that in your comments. Maybe you didn't mean it like that, but that's how it comes across.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago 3
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I'm saying when any people are oppressed, then persecuted unjustly for the horrendous crimes of a few, then oppressed some more, and targeted for bigotry, and then their very religion itself comes under attack, that the odds of one of the people reacting violently are very high. I'm saying that this is what Grisham was counting on, and that his motive was ill conceived and obvious. This is the only plausible and most likely motive for Grisham burning a Koran...
o1dh4k 5 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Not only was Grisham safe and sound when he left the park that day, but he was forced to recognize the flaw in his own obvious assumptions. It was not a Muslim that took the Koran away from him. Nobody touched him at all in fact. The Koran was swiped from the grill that it was about to be ignited upon. If that's petty theft, so be it. Isom's act was well worth any repercussions. Poetic justice served. Did the law learn anything from it? doubtful here.
o1dh4k 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
If Grisham kills someone it's not the Muslims fault, even if he claims he was outraged by the plans to build a mosque. If Muslims are outraged and kill someone over this, it's not Grishams fault vice versa.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Those are hypothetical situations that never occurred though. Also, I quite obviously do not mean to say that the law is always wrong. It simply is never, always right. Despite what you said above, the incitement of a riot is still illegal, because it's evil. That was decided long ago. Any reasonable person could foresee that burning it would have added fuel to the fire of a people's passion for their religion. He went looking for results from his act, and it was denied. Good!
o1dh4k 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
We should probably stop arguing, because at this point I'm really experiencing an incommunsurability with everything you say. There's nothing I can say to you to make clear human and civic rights are above other people's feelings or popular votes and, to be honest, I'm a civil libertarian and human rights activist and there's a pretty slim chance you'll be able to convince me of the opposite.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
The only thing that burning a Koran could have possibly added to that situation is the outrage of his opponents, it would have been inflammatory, therefore making very close if not definition incitement of a riot, which is illegal.
Grisham's intent was to be attacked so he could show why the followers of the Muslim religion, worldwide should be feared and hated, and believe me there are people looking for an excuse like that. What Isom did was a service to mankind.
o1dh4k 5 months ago
At first I found this funny, but let's think about what this guy really did. He tried to deny a citizen (a stupid one, but one nonetheless) the right to protest, which isn't just a civic right, but an actual human right. And people are just cheering for it...
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH While true that the right to protest is or should be a human right worldwide. It goes without saying that there were other ways he could have gotten his point across. Verbally and the fact that his intent was to burn it were plenty. We all got the point. So, he got his point across and was therefore not denied the right to protest, only the inflammatory method in which he originally intended was denied, and it was moot. What if he wanted to protest by killing, human right?
o1dh4k 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
"What if he wanted to protest by killing, human right?"
No, because killing is a violation of human rights. You can not violate someone else's human rights, that's a given. The skater-guy can't deny someone to burn a book and the idiot can't kill someone.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Well, a bad example on my part I suppose. So, should the WBC be allowed to do what they do? I personally don't think so, but let's not argue other cases, as each is unique.
To burn the Koran would have been a blatant disregard for public safety. Denying many people their human right of public safety. Also, his right to protest was never impeded only that one method was as I stated above. After all, burning the Koran was not the only way he could get his point across.
o1dh4k 5 months ago
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SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH The entire point of Grisham's protest was that he was offended at plans to build a Muslim community center near ground zero. So, the burning of the Koran is a symbol of his own "offended card" being played. Why do you seem to find it ok for non-Muslims to be offended with Muslims but not vice versa?
Isom's act is also an act of protest. It shows that not all of us non-Muslims will turn to the mistrust and hate of an entire people due to the actions of a few.
o1dh4k 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
But he didn't push legislation on his offended-card. He actually did the proper thing. He didn't sue, he decided to do a protest, as people have done counter-protests against the WBC. There is a saying: "I don't agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". That beats the "I don't like what you said, so I'm going to make sure people are banned from saying it"-mentality by a long shot.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
"Why do you seem to find it ok for non-Muslims to be offended with Muslims but not vice versa?"
I don't? I don't really care if you are offended. Be offended all you like, but don't deny other people human rights because you are offended. I could probably relate more with the skater-guy than the twat who wanted to burn the Quran, and that guy was irresponsible with the freedoms given to him, but that doesn't give the other guy the right to try and take that freedom or human right.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
"Isom's act is also an act of protest. It shows that not all of us non-Muslims will turn to the mistrust and hate of an entire people due to the actions of a few."
In his protest he violated the human rights of the guy who wanted to burn the Quran. The guy who wanted to burn the Quran wasn't violating anyone's human rights. I'm sorry, but it's that simple. Human rights, it ends there.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
Let me be clear of this, before anyone decides to claim that I am biased against Muslims. I am biased against every religion, I'll be honest with you, I think religion is a scourge. But I don't think religion is everything. I can view Muslims beyond their religion, as I can many of my friends who are of various religions (including Islam). The mosque should have been build. The Constitution allows for it to be build. But it also allows for people to protest.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
For example, I can dislike religion all I want. I can protest and show how much I disagree with what you are doing. But what I can not do is try to implement thought crime, ban religion or ban religious buildings from being build.
There is a guy called Geert WIlders here in Europe, who tries to ban the Quran. I have endlessly argued with the mindless drones who follow him in this. I can burn a Quran, but what I can not do is ban it. I can take sides with Muslims as well.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH
First of all, Grisham's supporters did try legally to stop that community center from being built. wwwwndcom/?pageId=188109 Secondly, what legislation did Isom push by taking the Koran? Third, Grisham still was not, in fact banned from saying what he wanted to say. We all know what he wanted, to stop that community center from being built. In fact it was covered endlessly by the media,and his viewpoint is still being covered. What does a burning add to his argument?
o1dh4k 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
Off course they did, I wouldn't have suspected any less from an intolerant sob like Grisham. But he can't overrule the Constitution that's what it's there for. So he protested. Do I think his point was stupid? Yes. Should he be allowed to bring it across in a way that didn't harm anyone, regardless of my or anyone's opinion? Yes.
The problem with Isom is not that he was trying to push legislation, but that he was denying someone else a Constitutional, civic and human right.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
The burning is just a sign of disagreement. Surely, it was probably inflammatory but s is burning flags. Burning symbols is a gesture of demonstrating that you disagree with the values behind that symbol. Your forefathers burned the English flag, I'd burn my flag under the current legislation in my country. Again, burning symbols because you disagree with people is a lot better than burning people because you disagree with people.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
I take the side of the people who are right, who aren't trying to violate civil rights or human liberties. Their religion can be irrelevant in that (it can also be relevant if someone is trying to push legislation on religion, but that's not the case here).
So don't say that I find it ok for non-Muslims to be offended with Muslims but not vice versa, as if to imply I am some irrational Islamophobic idiot.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
"To burn the Koran would have been a blatant disregard for public safety. "
By that same logic ban fireworks. Come one, be honest, if the fire department was present there, would you have felt different about the protest?
The manner in which they protested or my or your opinion about it is irrelevant. Perhaps there are better ways to bring your point across than burning flags or books. But it is just a symbol, and they burned symbols because they disagreed with them, not people.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
Human rights, civic rights and constitutions serve a purpose besides preventing harm to people from being done. They also serve to protect unpopular ideas, like that of the idiot who wanted to burn the Quran. They protect unpopular ideas because popular ideas don't need to be protected. That's a good thing because sometimes unpopular ideas are good. Freedom-rights always come in excess, we have to live with that. It's a lot better than having a shortage of them.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@o1dh4k
"So, should the WBC be allowed to do what they do"
Yes, they should. As I said, with freedom comes excess. That excess serves to make sure you can't be sued for skimming the border. If the WBC isn't allowed to yell "faggots go to hell", what's to stop Muhammed-cartoons from being banned? People call the "offended-card" extremely fast and without that excess of freedom, I think we'd lose more freedoms than we'd like to concepts like "hate-speech" and "being offended".
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
What`s this!!!
inqalabi041190 5 months ago
I dont care what this guy believes, i believe he's a hero, and i'm Muslim.
jstsurreal 5 months ago
the Israeli Lobby misused Bush to attack muslim world in iraq & afganistan through 9/11;now this lobby is trying desperately to destroy harmony between christian & muslim worlds to pave way for attack on countries like iran, pakistan in the event their 'tea party' gains power; americans beware of Israeli Lobby misuing America; the cost of two wars in iraq & afghanistan is $12 trillion with 10000 sons of american mothers dead & over 70,000 maimed for life; THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ISRAELI CASUALTY
ismat45 5 months ago
@ismat45
Ismat check ur inbox,O Pleeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
inqalabi041190 5 months ago
@ismat45 You do realise that that your "bible" was writing after all the others as it was and is the newest religion that stole its contents from the other "holy" books? Thats why it has references to other world events. Plus its a very poorly writing book that even proves that what yo usay is wrong, as you seem to pick and choose what to think. Please open your eyes and realise that its man made, there is no "god" and to stop being brainwashed and think for yourself.
MissionaryMan 5 months ago
those regimes that do all the wanton killings are christains & democratically elected by their people;
ismat45 5 months ago
Leading scientists of the modern world have already given their verdict that Quran is the Word of Allah, as 1400 years back, an unlettered person living in the remote, backward regions of saudi arabia could have no access to such facts of scientific knowledge which modern science has discovered only during the last 50 to 70 years; Youtube [Holy] Quran : Top Scientists Comments on Scientific Miracles in the Quran * # Faith and Science #
ismat45 5 months ago
@ismat45 No they havent what are you talking about. consider that firstly any scientist will tell you that religion is a lod of crap And second how can that be the ocorrect one when it is the newest out of them all?
MissionaryMan 5 months ago
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@ismat45 No they havent what are you talking about. consider that firstly any scientist will tell you that religion is a lod of crap And second how can that be the ocorrect one when it is the newest out of them all?
MissionaryMan 5 months ago
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Prof Tagatat Tejasen,Chairman Deptt of Anatomy Chiang Mai University, Thailand embraced Islam during the 8th Saudi Medical Cnference,Riyadh when reading a Quranic verse on pain (receptors) in human body;
ismat45 5 months ago
Prof(Dr.) Keith Moore, chairman deptt of anatomy,university of Toronto,Canada ,stated during 7th Medical Conference in ,saudi arabia quote " it has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah,because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many many centuries later. this proves to me that Muhammad must have been a Messenger of Allah." unquote
ismat45 5 months ago
Professor Alfred Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists talking about the common origin of the earth and universe (The big bang theory in the Quran). He said quote: Thinking where Muhammad came from . . . I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case...unquote
ismat45 5 months ago
Prof A. Kroner also said quote: Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin; unquote.
ismat45 5 months ago
CONTD It is also reported she was 10 years younger than her sister Asma who died in AH 73 at the age of 100 years which shows Ayesha's age to be 17 years at the time of marriage; Too many hadith contradict the fact she was married at the age of 9 years old;END
ismat45 5 months ago
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CONTD Ibn Tabari in Tarikh Tabari, vol. 4, p. 50 wrote that Aisha was born even before the Prophethood of Muhammad pbuhThe marriage took place 14 years after the Prophethood. This mean she was at least 14 or 15 when she was married.It's reported that she was about 5 years younger than Fatima meaning she's at least 18-20 when she was married.
ismat45 5 months ago
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regards ayesha's age latest research shows the hadiths of ibn hajar,tabari hisham, & ibn humbal contradict each other; in fact ayesha who participated in battle of Badr & Uhud herself states all participants under 15 years of age were sent back by the prophet from the battle field;this shows ayesha was atleast 15 years of age before consummation of marriage;CONTD
ismat45 5 months ago
Japan would have surrendered if simply guaranteed that the Emperor would be allowed to continue as formal head of state,& Japanese diplomatic messages regarding a possible Soviet mediation—intercepted through Magic, were made available to the Allied leader
ismat45 5 months ago
While I do mostly agree with you Tranquil, I don't on the last part. The dude's from Pakistan, the fact that he can speak English that well is already pretty damn impressive to me. It enrages me when native English speakers speak like that, but for ESLers, I'm fine as long as I can understand 'em.
RyantheCanuckpirate 5 months ago
Over 25 million Muslims have memorised entire Qur'an. It's in out heart. Peace
SultanOfSwords 6 months ago
I love skateboarding.
izvarzone 6 months ago
First of all , Quran have god to protect it ...
2nd if that ignorance think about when he burn Quran , would do anything good he is wrong
3rd Quran is in every Muslim heart so whatever he or ANY one does will can't remove the Quran ...
Eichman86 6 months ago
@Eichman86 Your god doesn't exist.
LightStijn 6 months ago
@LightStijn shut the fuck up!!
94nonogirl 6 months ago
@94nonogirl No! I think you should do something better with your time than waste it on reading stupid books. Why don't you read Mark Twain's "Mysterious Stranger" instead?
LightStijn 6 months ago
@Eichman86
Nobody tried to remove the Quran. It's not like they were trying to ban it like Geert Wilders is.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
allah can give you long live man
ftr410 6 months ago
Im ok with people speaking their mind because how else will we know who the fools in the world are
DonnerParty1000 6 months ago
Any moron who thinks it's a good idea to burn a Qu'ran should go to a dark alley for an icepick vesectomy. And that skateboarder is a badass.
halohero2014 6 months ago
why do I get the feeling that this heroic skateboarder wouldn't be so quick to interfere with the fine gentlemen who burn the Amercian Flag in this video:
/watch?v=8B1FHeIP53Q
helikestv 7 months ago
I love this guy. I'm like dude you have no Qu'ran!
jeremy1069fm 7 months ago
Just because you have the right to do it doesn't exactly mean it's the right thing to do.
DrXVII 7 months ago
quran <--- officialy created by phedophile, sex after war prophet
IndoCommunist 7 months ago
@IndoCommunist Wonder what a phedophile is....or is that pedophile but you accidentally pressed h through your cheeto-stained hands?
1big101 7 months ago
@1big101 it is pedophile, which is psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger), but for mr.mohammed, i bring new defintion, it's phedophile (6 years old), just try imagine, there was sadistic gramps want to have sex with your lil sist
IndoCommunist 7 months ago
@IndoCommunist If you're gonna make accusations like this, you better have some historic proof. It doesn't say anywhere that Muhammad (pbuh) had sexual relations with any 6 year olds. Yes it's true, he married a young girl through the marriage ceremony along with several other women, and the reason for that was to unify the different tribes of that time. But he didn't even live with her until many many years later, when she grew up. So if you're gonna talk trash, get some proof for your dignity.
bballtab15 6 months ago
@bballtab15 i read Hadits Shahih Bukhari, pedophile mohammed married aisha when she 6's old, then had sex on 9's old. i don't talk trash, i tell the truth
IndoCommunist 6 months ago
LOL
RobinMane 7 months ago
first the threat was Communism & now guns have turned towards Islam; the fact is the Illuminati always needs some THREAT to justify billion-dollar budget of NATO forces which crushing burden is being borne by the poor european tax payer; after fall of Communism the NATO ought to have been disbanded but this was not done & to justify it's continuance the mega event 9/11 was perpetrated by MOSSAD; Tony Blair & other european leaders are all responsible for hoodwinking european public;
ismat45 7 months ago
@ismat45
The Illuminati? Bahaha
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
ohhh ok thx
scottpilgrimfan4 7 months ago
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The US state of Massachusetts General Laws states (chapter 272 section 36) " Whosoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation,government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus,Christ or Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt & ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail......
ismat45 7 months ago
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Vatican cardinal Achille Silvestrini condemned the cartoons, saying western culture has to know its limits. It is thus clearly apparent that using freedom of speech to imply that there are no limits to what one can say or do is a myth;...
ismat45 7 months ago
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Those who advocate the right of freedom of speech must look within their own ' democratic societies' the extent to which their civil liberties have been eroded through the recent anti- terrorist legislation;
ismat45 7 months ago
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if under freedom of expression one can abuse Islam then why in many european countries it is a crime to deny the holocaust being a criminal offence in belgium,france,germany, austria, switzerland etc; punishable by fines & a jail sentence; the question is can an individual ridicule & insult the sacred elements of an entire civilisation
ismat45 7 months ago
what have islam done to get his holy book burnd every one that tryed to stop them from burning the quran is a hero and have respect to his self
drutrunks 7 months ago
Dude, Respect!
anumzahid9 7 months ago
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emiemah 7 months ago
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So uh, they violated Mr. Grisham's right to protest? He wasn't preventing anyone from worshipping how they wish to- therefore, Grisham had every right to burn the Qur'an.
This is your right to free speech being taken away. Dude, you have no rights!
While I think public Qur'an burning is stupid and accomplishes nothing, people still have a right to...
MrFlylice 7 months ago
@MrFlylice Grisham had as much right to the free speech of burning a Koran as we all have of yelling "FIRE!" in a packed theater. 1st amendment does not apply here.
Highly publicized burning of a Koran would do nothing but enrage extremists giving them further reason to hate and kill our soldiers/loved ones overseas. Yes, some extremists have burned bibles, but this eye for an eye shit has to end at some point. Saving the Koran was an act of peace. A true holy-man would know better.
o1dh4k 7 months ago 19
@o1dh4k We have four freedoms: Freedom from Want, Freedom of Expression, Freedom to Worship, and, lastly, Freedom from Fear. You're implying that we should essentially ban Qur'an burning (as a form of protest) because we're afraid. Is this really what it's come down to? We can't say what we want (even if it's stupid) because we're afraid of the violent reactions of others- just as a man in the 16th century feared his King's reaction for speaking out against the Crown.
MrFlylice 7 months ago
@MrFlylice I never implied anything of the sort other than that a true holy man should know better. Grisham is simply a troublemaker trying to build a name for himself by creating an inflammatory environment through committing controversial acts. The gesture of burning it is ill-conceived and intolerant towards an entire religion due to the actions of some extremist elements within.
Isom saved the US from association with Grisham. Muslims should have a chance to disassociate with extremism.
o1dh4k 7 months ago 4