I certainly pictured him speaking softly and calmly. So soft, in fact, that I wondered how he could have been heard speaking his recorded words. This strenuous delivery is not how I would have directed the scene.
Jesus is confirmed as being a real figure in history; it's simply the views on the divinity, or lack thereof which differ amongst Scholars and Students.
Socrates was a belligerent figure. most solid historical evidence shows that he was a pushy aggressive individual. It us why he ws so hammered by the "law." He is also a human. Good work on the apology. Calm does not equal rational.
Plato spoke of Socrates as a man who rarely was encline to express his frustration; the only tone you can take away from his mouth that is pugniatius in any sense would at best be irony...
I can sense sadness, consideration, some irnoy, but I never came across a line where Socrates was getting furious - instead, he is the one who calms down the others when he is eager to enquire further about the questions.
He may have been frustrated sometimes, but he was a philosopher...
I agree with GueorguiJoukov and let me tell you that because im from greece that in ancient greece it was an embarrasing thing to yell and talk too much so the most probable way he spoke was with a low voice and calmly and using a lot of irony and sarcasm!!!!!!!
Plato did not used such an arrogant and frustrated tone. Socrates was rather ironical and sarcastic by times and he was more the kind to play the silent and the simple than yell - he perceived those manners as part of the rhetoric and Plato rarely depicts his master angry.
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Also, I never pictured Socrates as being so riled up for the Apology. I always sensed a detached sort of tone, like S. knew his "defense" would never work and decided rather to expound the truth of the matter as he saw it, in one of the most beautiful orations ever recorded.
I think this actor hammed it up way too much. In giving Socrates' diction a life-or-death intensity, he kind of shits on the material!
Socrates is the greatest person ever to live. As prevalent as bullshit is in the civilized world today, it would be a hell of a lot worse if not for him. We might live in a Nietzschian world where might equals right -- and truth relegated to mythical, unattainable (and thus irrelevant) status, rather than the fundamental, inaliable, guiding force of life that Socrates showed it to be.
I dont know if was yelling at the court.. but I do know they sentanced him beacuse he "corrupted the youth".. (they ment Alkiviades which they also wanted him dead and had also glorify him ) and they sentanced to death the man that killed Alkiviades. lol But he didnt accept to escape the prison since he could beacuse he had powerfull friends and he told them that he lived by the law all his life, the laws protected him and ignoring them, using them only when they benefit him wasnt right
Socrates... strikes me as a calm person, because he is a philosopher that is really laid back. When I read this, I pictured him speaking, not yelling.. that's just me though I mean, it's not like I was alive in 299BC.
You're right. There's actual proof that Socrates wasn't so upset. In Plato's dialogue the "Crito", Crito visits Socrates in prison after the trial and marvels at his pleasant disposition:
"Often before, all thru your life, I have thought your temperament was a happy one; & I think so more than ever now when I see how easily & calmly you bear the calamity that has come to you."
Surely Socrates would have been no *more* agitated *before* his jury had even found him guilty!
I normaly think him that way as well, but must bear in mind the Story of the man he almost drowned the told he would teach him when he wanted knowledge more then he wanted the air, and also that Socrates was a veteran of the Peloponesian war, and thus a soldier at one point for Athens agains Sparta
these indicate he had to have a rough side as well
This flies in the face of every account I have ever read about Socrates' demeanour.
mikelheron20 3 weeks ago
I certainly pictured him speaking softly and calmly. So soft, in fact, that I wondered how he could have been heard speaking his recorded words. This strenuous delivery is not how I would have directed the scene.
MrCropper 1 month ago
my childhood hero
1awareness 3 months ago
Socrates was belligerent but belligerence should not be a capital crime.
Camino1 3 months ago
they condemnsed him as they also did with the unihistorically figure of 'Jesus', in any case, men against the mob find death and ridicule.
AnnaAsArtist 1 year ago
@AnnaAsArtist
"unhistorically figure of 'Jesus'"?
Jesus is confirmed as being a real figure in history; it's simply the views on the divinity, or lack thereof which differ amongst Scholars and Students.
Kinin4 1 year ago
.....please help stop the farm murders in south afrika...
pepsiwatersugar 1 year ago
beautiful play of Socrates
SadCarnage1224 1 year ago
Fodor sent me
ivanatincle 2 years ago
Socrates was a belligerent figure. most solid historical evidence shows that he was a pushy aggressive individual. It us why he ws so hammered by the "law." He is also a human. Good work on the apology. Calm does not equal rational.
ironagetheatre 2 years ago
@ironagetheatre
Plato spoke of Socrates as a man who rarely was encline to express his frustration; the only tone you can take away from his mouth that is pugniatius in any sense would at best be irony...
I can sense sadness, consideration, some irnoy, but I never came across a line where Socrates was getting furious - instead, he is the one who calms down the others when he is eager to enquire further about the questions.
He may have been frustrated sometimes, but he was a philosopher...
GueorguiJoukov 1 year ago
@ironagetheatre
He is also depicted as gentle in his mannerisms. He was "aggressive" in his tactics, yes, but his words themselves were almost always polite.
Kinin4 1 year ago
@ironagetheatre
I agree with GueorguiJoukov and let me tell you that because im from greece that in ancient greece it was an embarrasing thing to yell and talk too much so the most probable way he spoke was with a low voice and calmly and using a lot of irony and sarcasm!!!!!!!
tasospolis 1 year ago
@ironagetheatre Socrates was belligerent but belligerence should not be a capital crime.
Camino1 3 months ago
Plato did not used such an arrogant and frustrated tone. Socrates was rather ironical and sarcastic by times and he was more the kind to play the silent and the simple than yell - he perceived those manners as part of the rhetoric and Plato rarely depicts his master angry.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago 11
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qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
Also, I never pictured Socrates as being so riled up for the Apology. I always sensed a detached sort of tone, like S. knew his "defense" would never work and decided rather to expound the truth of the matter as he saw it, in one of the most beautiful orations ever recorded.
I think this actor hammed it up way too much. In giving Socrates' diction a life-or-death intensity, he kind of shits on the material!
eggborne 2 years ago 2
Brilliant Observation.
fnfyaheard 2 years ago
@eggborne Indeed, I always thought so to and watching this thought maybe I was mistaken, but glad to see I am not alone in my original views.
wainscottbl 1 year ago
Socrates is the greatest person ever to live. As prevalent as bullshit is in the civilized world today, it would be a hell of a lot worse if not for him. We might live in a Nietzschian world where might equals right -- and truth relegated to mythical, unattainable (and thus irrelevant) status, rather than the fundamental, inaliable, guiding force of life that Socrates showed it to be.
He's the best!
eggborne 2 years ago
Socrates was enlightened.
IandYou0 2 years ago
I dont know if was yelling at the court.. but I do know they sentanced him beacuse he "corrupted the youth".. (they ment Alkiviades which they also wanted him dead and had also glorify him ) and they sentanced to death the man that killed Alkiviades. lol But he didnt accept to escape the prison since he could beacuse he had powerfull friends and he told them that he lived by the law all his life, the laws protected him and ignoring them, using them only when they benefit him wasnt right
psypsynos 2 years ago
bravo!
dbohemian1 3 years ago
Socrates... strikes me as a calm person, because he is a philosopher that is really laid back. When I read this, I pictured him speaking, not yelling.. that's just me though I mean, it's not like I was alive in 299BC.
HaleysHeresat 3 years ago 17
I agree. He speaks about virtue, rational thinking, and containing emotion. I do not believe he would be yelling either.
MinnowBelcher 3 years ago
You're right. There's actual proof that Socrates wasn't so upset. In Plato's dialogue the "Crito", Crito visits Socrates in prison after the trial and marvels at his pleasant disposition:
"Often before, all thru your life, I have thought your temperament was a happy one; & I think so more than ever now when I see how easily & calmly you bear the calamity that has come to you."
Surely Socrates would have been no *more* agitated *before* his jury had even found him guilty!
yrrmom 2 years ago
@HaleysHeresat
I normaly think him that way as well, but must bear in mind the Story of the man he almost drowned the told he would teach him when he wanted knowledge more then he wanted the air, and also that Socrates was a veteran of the Peloponesian war, and thus a soldier at one point for Athens agains Sparta
these indicate he had to have a rough side as well
whiteowl1415 3 months ago
This short video captured just what Socrates was trying to get across. Good acting too.
LRC1227 3 years ago